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Monastery of St. Nil

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Monastery of St. Nilus on Stolbnyi Island in Lake Seliger near Ostashkov, ca. 1910
Edit 1 by jjron
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A spectacular and beautiful photograph. This picture appears prominently in monastery. It was uploaded by user:EASports.

Please note I have uploaded a far higher resolution version. Please reconsider your vote. chowells 04:14, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

*Oppose Leaning to the right, surely? *Support - Adrian Pingstone 18:43, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please note I have uploaded a far higher resolution version. Please reconsider your vote. chowells 04:14, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Changing to support for the huge version. Suggestion: could this illustrate an article on the technique used to colour it as well as the monastery article? I remember thinking when I opposed it before that I might have supported it in that context ~ Veledan • Talk 07:51, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Wow! That is an amazing picture. Mr. Turcottetalk 21:33, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Fantastic, now that the resolution is up to par. Beautiful composition and colors. This is from like 1910, people!--Zambaretzu 00:14, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support original high res image only. This is a sufficiently high res image and of historical significance. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 09:17, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment. I oppose the edits because this image is historical and the photo in its entirety is of equal or perhaps even greater significance than the view it portrays. It would be wrong to crop the Mona Lisa in an effort to improve its composition, for example. ;) Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 15:59, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support the high res version, it's lovely. Note significant colour misalignment at the bottom, but presumably an artefact of the very old technology. Aesthetically pleasing, encyclopaedic, historically significant photo of an interesting subject in a high res image - how can we say no? Stevage 11:08, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • 'Note significant colour misalignment at the bottom' that's because three separate exposures of the image were taken of the red, green and blue components, and the water was moving, so they don't match up precisely. A very fascinating process. chowells 22:44, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Edit 1. Fantastic pic of the building, especially given its historical value, but I don't like all that gunk in the foreground. Also the file size is way too big (remember lots of people are still only on dialup). I have uploaded an edited version of this pic which gets rid of the bottom part and also removed a lot of the artefacts through downsampling. --jjron 04:10, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, it's depriving those that want it of the highest quality images. There are *already* smaller versions for dialup users automatically generated by mediawiki from the largest version. chowells 11:42, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • On that argument you should be uploading everything as RAW, or at least TIFF files, so we can all get the highest quality. It's nonsense. The whole point of using jpg is to save file size, you always lose quality. There's no reason for a jpg photo of those dimensions to be over 8MB. --jjron 13:33, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, I would upload TIFFs if possible. Images scanned from my scanner are archived as TIFFs, and images from my camera are RAWs, and then developed into TIFFs, before being archived. Of course I make low quality resolution JPEGs for previewing. chowells 13:19, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fully agree with jjron on this issue. Broadband users mainly are unaware what it's like to have a slow connection. And chowells, Mediawiki does an OK job, but it gives a imaget that is a direct ratio of the original file size. For instance an image which is about 500kb and is reduced from 1600x1200 to screen size by media wiki, loads up heaps quicker than the same image resized from an 8mb image. A more dramatic example is uncompressed PNG's such as this. It takes an age to load. Not to mention the fact that we (dialup users) want to see something that is full screen as well you know! Not just an image in a website. --Fir0002 www 09:10, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Actually I used dialup for many many many years, and I still use dialup or GPRS on a frequent basis. Fix MediaWiki if it bothers you; don't deprive those in the future of large images by fixing the symptoms. chowells 13:19, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • We are not just being selfish or pernickety dialup users who want to deprive you of your big pictures. There are other considerations. Remember chowells that you are an expert user. As a teacher and network admin, I deal everyday with kids, and adults for that matter, who are fumbling around and don't really know what they're doing. I direct them to Wikipedia as a great resource, but they don't realise that clicking on that one link for this big 8MB photo will cost them a tenth of their default internet access for the year, and what's more, they shouldn't have to. Now, surely isn't one of the key target groups for Wikipedia students and the education market? (And please no one give some flippant comment about 'why don't I teach them to use it properly' - multiply my experience by a worldwide audience of people that don't want to think or know about the details of how it works; they just want to use it.) I reiterate my earlier argument with some added detail - if we are the experts, we should be making it user friendly whilst maintaining quality. The general principles that myself and Fir0002 are espousing are attempting to find that balance. If we fail to do that then I think we have lost sight of the purpose of this project. And if you still don't want to consider the 'average' user who doesn't understand all the computer technicalities, and dialup users, then consider Wikimedia itself; if we all start uploading everything as 10 or 20MB files...well I shouldn't need to spell out what effect that would have on either loss of functionality or blowing out their hardware and bandwidth needs and therefore costs to cope with the sudden surge in demand. Perhaps if you really want photos at that high quality you should be getting them from specialist photographic websites. --jjron 16:13, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Either of the two edits. Has a great fairy tale quality to it. Have uploaded another edit for consideration. --Fir0002 www 08:16, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support any. Since this is a historical photograph, it would be nice if those who made edits could explain on the image description pages exactly what processing was done (cropping, color adjustments, etc.).--Eloquence* 09:51, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:Prokudin-Gorskii-09-edit2.jpg Ravedave 03:07, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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