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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article review. Please do not modify it. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or at Wikipedia talk:Featured article review. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was kept by Nikkimaria via FACBot (talk) 9:50, 4 January 2025 (UTC) [1].

Gertie the Dinosaur

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Notified: Curly Turkey, WikiProject Animation, WikiProject Fictional characters, WikiProject Film, WikiProject 20th Century Studios

The article is clearly outdated and needs more scholar sources to be added. The prose isn't FA quality + some of the sources aren't formatted properly. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 05:41, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep without FARC. @Boneless Pizza!: i don't see anything wrong with the article, perfect number of scholar sources (books and journals) and i don't really expect an article about a 12-minute 1914 film to have any present information. All I see wrong is a page needed tag—which I fixed. Can you elaborate? 750h+ 12:46, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The quotes at background section should be worded + the content section seems to be too flimsy, while the reception section isn't that organized either. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 12:54, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Boneless Pizza!:} fixed the number of quotes in the background section, I don't really expect a 12-minute animated film to have a large content section, and I've organised the reception section. 750h+ 02:31, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure with the prose, though I think it is best to wait other editors of what they think about this article now. Thanks! 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 02:41, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've done some of the source formatting. I'll have a look a proper look at the prose when I have some more time. One note: I can't verify the information on the Variety source; it says p. 26 but I can't see anything on the short on that page. Sgubaldo (talk) 14:47, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do find myself agreeing with 750h+ though. I had a brief look and there's not really any other worthwhile sources that need to be added. Sgubaldo (talk) 14:06, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. What about the prose? 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 17:30, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like the Merkl 2007 source is self-published, but most of what it's supporting is specific dates that individual comics were published, mainly in footnotes. It's unclear to me what is outdated about this article or what scholarly sources are missing. I've made one edit to correct a prose error. Hog Farm Talk 21:28, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Update:I've rechecked the article abd found no issues. Though, I'm not yet sure with the prose. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 21:36, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think the prose could do with a copyedit, but I do not have the time to do so right now. Sgubaldo (talk) 22:03, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I did manage to fix the Variety source. It was linking to the wrong page. Sgubaldo (talk) 21:03, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
After a couple edits, I'm at a Keep without FARC. Sgubaldo (talk) 22:00, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.
The following is an archived discussion of a featured article review. Please do not modify it. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or at Wikipedia talk:Featured article review. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was kept by Nikkimaria via FACBot (talk) 9:50, 4 January 2025 (UTC) [2].

Matthew Brettingham

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Notified: Giano, DrKay, WikiProject England, WikiProject Biography, WikiProject Architecture, WikiProject Visual arts, 2023-08-13

I am nominating this featured article for review because there is uncited text, particularly in the "Legacy" section. I'm also curious if additional sources can be found to expand upon this article, although this is difficult due to the similarity with Matthew Brettingham the Younger. Z1720 (talk) 16:21, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Giano, the main author, has not been around for a long time. The uncited bits seem few and fairly trivial to me. Johnbod (talk) 20:41, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Giano may be inactive, but still appreciates notifications; User talk:SandyGeorgia/arch120#Harriet Arbuthnot. And we can hold out hope. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:12, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This one is certainly salvageable. I've added 'end-of-paragraph' cites and removed the tags. There's more that could be done, but unfortunately I don't have access to any of my book sources at present (all packed up and in store for a move). Let me know if more is needed. KJP1 (talk) 14:04, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
KJP1 If we put this on hold 'til after your move, would you be interested ? How long would that be ? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:47, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sandy - I'd be happy to pick it up. Like all of Giano's work, the content and prose is very high quality. But it is "cite-lite" by 2023 standards, and it could also do with a bit of updating - the London townhouses section ends with a reference to the 2007 state of Cambridge House, (although that development was still unfinished in 2021, [3] and I think it's incomplete now)! Unfortunately, my move is taking me quite a long way, and I won't see my books again until early 2024. Now, if you can put it on the backburner until then, I can commit to picking it up thereafter. KJP1 (talk) 16:20, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good to me. KjP1 has dealt with most of the specific review points anyway. Johnbod (talk) 17:11, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hold: Nikkimaria would early 2024 be too long for a hold here ? KJP1 has restored other architectural articles at FAR. Maybe we could revisit in February or March ? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:14, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
On hold until the new year. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:58, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks both - It’s on my list and I’ll pick it up as soon as I’m reunited with my books. KJP1 (talk) 05:42, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, thought I'd just note that a reference to this FAR came through my watchlist and I noticed the lack of a portrait for Brettingham. Having found one I've added it to the article with an infobox, but please feel free to change/revert/replace as you think appropriate. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 18:56, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
KJP1, what's your timeline looking like? Nikkimaria (talk) 01:07, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Z1720, Nikki - sorry, this is all moving slower than I would like. The builders are due in early March, and all the books are remaining in storage until they are done, which I think will be around end March. I have, sans books, managed to get it from 28 cites when Z1720 sent it to FAR to 68. I agree there is more that could be done, but I wonder if they could have another look to see if their "cite-lite" concerns still remain? I am absolutely willing to continue to work on it as soon as I can access my books, but can't guarantee when that will be. KJP1 (talk) 10:02, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The citation concerns have been resolved. @KJP1: are some of your books available at archive.org? Z1720 (talk) 16:25, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
KJP1? Nikkimaria (talk) 03:04, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nikkimaria - sorry, I'm no nearer getting back access to my books, I'm afraid. Delays in the building works mean they are all still in boxes. I think the main concern re. uncited text has been addressed, certainly Z1720 seems content. If that's not enough, I think it will probably need to go to FAR, as I just can't be certain when I will have access to the books again. I could definitely do more on it, but I just can't say when. KJP1 (talk) 06:25, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Z1720, given the changes made so far do you feel FAR is still necessary? Nikkimaria (talk) 14:19, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Z1720: ↑ Nikkimaria (talk) 14:21, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It remains a page which is fit for purpose: that is for anyone seeking info on Brettingham. I’m sure the original editor is grateful for those attempting to patch things up to retain FA status, but really that little star was never all it was cracked up to be. So let it go. Like all Wikipedia pages, it will be attacked/edited by pedants, idiots, infoboxobsessives and, occasionally, architectural historians. Who knows what will emerge from the ruins. AdamBlack89 (talk) 20:59, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was browsing through WP:URFA/2020 and noticed this one was still on hold despite it having been so over a year. Pinging @FAR coordinators: and @Z1720. Sgubaldo (talk) 17:55, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I also saw this when browsing through URFA/2020 earlier this week but forgot to act on it. Not sure what the status of this is....Z1720 (talk) 19:18, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see that this was reposted to FAR. I will try to take a look at this. Any additional comments are of course welcome, please don't wait for me. Z1720 (talk) 19:20, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.
The following is an archived discussion of a featured article review. Please do not modify it. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or at Wikipedia talk:Featured article review. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was kept by Nikkimaria via FACBot (talk) 9:50, 4 January 2025 (UTC) [4].

Lemurs of Madagascar (book)

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Notified: Maky (page creator/nominator; formerly "VisionHolder"), Primates, Madagascar

"Bloated article; uses the [Mittermeier] book that is the subject of article 44 times, out of about the 60 references given. Contains excessive detail and primary sourcing."

— Possibly (talk · contribs), May 2021 (links added for context by yours truly)

Cleanup-tag note says it all. Original article creator/FA nominator, Maky (talk · contribs), has been on WP in highly reduced capacity since late 2015.

P.S. Can't believe it's been 17 years and change since I last sent a page for review... Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 07:58, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If folks think it merits keeping in some form, I'd be happy to take a pass at cutting it down -- way down. Much of it reads as puffery, and a lot of it redundant. I think there's some factual information that would be worth keeping, though.
I'm not in the habit of gutting a page like I would want to do with this one, so just putting that out there. Monkeywire (talk) 19:44, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Monkeywire: I'd support someone going through and cutting down the prose: there is too much puffery, and the "Overview" section should probably be renamed to "Background" and refocused. Z1720 (talk) 02:28, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I took a stab at editing. (It's so much easier to cut than to write!). Apologies in advance for any errors, but I think it's in better shape than it was before. Monkeywire (talk) 16:51, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just adding for the record that I think this is worth keeping now that it's not so bloated Monkeywire (talk) 18:39, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Slgrandson: Do the edits made address your concerns? Nikkimaria (talk) 14:05, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Nikkimaria: Better off. (Attempting to reach @Maky so that we can remind him of the progress, but an immediate reply is hardly guaranteed as he last edited in April.) --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 16:46, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I see an unsourced paragraph in "Editions". I also think the "Reception" section could be expanded upon, considering that several reviews are already used as inline citations. Z1720 (talk) 03:05, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment @Slgrandson: I've gone ahead and undone Monkeywire's changes while performing a very substantial but much more surgical cutdown of the article. It was bloated beyond belief, but I believe Monkeywire's decision to relegate the entire 'Reception' section to a paragraph and the entire summary/contents to a bullet pointed list of chapters dramatically hurt the article's comprehensiveness and turned it into something more akin to a C-class article (through no fault of their own; there really was so much extraneous stuff there). Some highlights of the changes I've made include:
  • Word count and character count in the prose are both down a smidge over 28% (~21,050 characters down to ~15,100 and ~3,310 words down to ~2,240).
  • I believe I have done this while retaining all the points which were present when this article was first reviewed.
  • I do not believe this article could now be meaningfully reduced further without losing relevant, useful information.
  • The brick wall of listed authors which made the 'Overview' section effectively unreadable has been moved into three explanatory footnotes – one for each edition. I believe this information about the authors is highly relevant and should remain but that it undeniably cannot remain in the prose.
  • The descriptions of the appendices have been completely stripped out, as they were effectively obvious by the appendix titles alone.
  • The mention of a Lemur News announcement has been removed owing to the fact that a sales pitch written by the book's authors does not constitute 'Reception'.
  • The awkward, dangling lead paragraph of the 'Content' section about the front and back covers has been neatly folded into an already-existing sentence, so the section now starts with the "Introduction".
  • The block quote from the "Introduction" section has been shortened and naturally folded into the sentence prior to where it originally was.
  • Very obvious tangents such as how many lemurs a reviewer had spotted as well as tautologies such as (paraphrased) "this field guide helps identify lemurs in the field" have been taken out.
  • Statements that could be expressed in substantially fewer words without loss of clarity have been amended.
  • Not relevant to bloat per se, but I revised the summary of Lisa Gould's review to – I think – better reflect what she wrote.
My vote in the article's current state is to Keep the featured article status, as I believe it is now an excellent reference for this book's publication history, contents, reception, and impact on primatology. I tried to be descriptive with my edit summaries, so please feel free to peruse and see if you approve of the changes I've made. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 22:02, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not extremely familiar with FA standards, but I think the improvements above are very good and I would vote to maintain the status as a FA. I can't point out any problems. PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:40, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • With or without further input from Slgrandson, we'll need additional viewpoints in order to arrive at consensus whether your changes satisfy the FA criteria. You could try posting a neutral message at a broader WikiProject like Biology or Books to see if anyone is able to weigh in. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:16, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment

For Ref. 57, I count 22 species and 29 subspecies, not 20 species. At least that's what I gathered from the contents table, but I may be wrong. Could you also include page numbers for it? Sgubaldo (talk) 07:48, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm in agreement that we count 29 subspecies. I also count 22 species in the contents, so I'm curious what happened here. Taking a look at pages 40–43, it seems there are 22 extant species of lemur listed. Likewise, it lists 29 extant subspecies. I'm going to 1) use sfn for an exact set of pages, 2) correct the species number, and 3) specify that it's only extant, as the book specifies quite a few more extinct species (which I feel like people always discount for some reason). TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 03:51, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Great! Prose seems fine, so I'm at a Keep without FARC. Sgubaldo (talk) 22:40, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.

Delisted

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