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The article was promoted by Gog the Mild via FACBot (talk) 11 September 2023 [1].

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City Hall MRT station

Nominator(s): ZKang123 (talk) 00:56, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

This article is about a cross-platform interchange in Singapore. ZKang123 (talk) 00:56, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

MyCatIsAChonk

Congrats on getting the TFA slot and a DYK hook on the same day, quite impressive. Good to see you're taking another station to FAC! MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 01:36, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

• Through the article it uses "City Hall" when referring to the old building, but the Wikipedia article on the building uses "Former City Hall"- any reason for the naming discrepancy?
  • Added "former". The old building is now the National Gallery.--ZKang123 (talk) 12:20, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
• Add Template:Use Singapore English or otherwise appropriate tag
  • Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 12:20, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
• ...tunnels between the City Hall and Raffles Place stations was awarded... - wl Raffles Place to the station article
  • Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 12:20, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
• Wl Keppel Shipyard to Keppel Corporation
  • Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 12:20, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
• Wl cut-and-cover
  • Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 12:20, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
• The concrete frame was designed to prevent any corrosion and floatation of the tunnels. - cut "concrete" to avoid redundancy
  • Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 12:20, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
• Due to requirements by the Ministry of Environment ensuring that the work site does not occupy more than 40% of the river width, the work would proceed in three stages. - WP:INTOTHEWOULDS; remove would and make it past tense
  • Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 12:20, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
• Wl inclinometer
  • Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 12:20, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
• The artefacts were handed to the... - donated, not handed
  • Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 12:20, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
• The first stage of the construction was completed in May 1985, with a delay of seven months. - odd phrasing, I suggest rewording; perhaps "After a seven month delay, the first stage of the construction was completed in May 1985."
  • Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 12:20, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
• To speed up the construction, the Environment Ministry agreed to lift restrictions on the work area. - first of all, eek; second of all, what restrictions? Safety restrictions? Finance restrictions?
  • As stated earlier, the area of the river they can construct. I wrote workspace restrictions, but I might need a better phrasing.--ZKang123 (talk) 12:20, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
• In the footnote, why is East West Line spelled out but NSL is abbreviated?
  • My mistake; it's information copied from Dhoby Ghaut station on the NSL. So I have to also clarify it became an interchange station on both EWL and NSL. Abbreviated in footnotes.--ZKang123 (talk) 12:20, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
• Wl Funan Centre
• Ref 43 needs author
  • Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 12:20, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
• All citations should us the same casing (title case or sentence case) per MOS:CONFORMTITLE
• Either all the citation publishers/work names should be wikilinked or none should be linked- right now, it's a mix
  • Well, some have wiki articles and some don't. Plus, the source formatting is what @Gerald Waldo Luis: suggested.--ZKang123 (talk) 12:20, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
    • I should further note, template documentations on citations only state "may be wikilinked if relevant." There's no statement as far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong) on link consistency in citations; having interacted with several FA article contributors, it's up to personal preference. GeraldWL 12:29, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

      @Gerald Waldo Luis My understanding was based on MOS:DUPLINK, which states that citations can be universally wikilinked. Using links on all or none is for consistency. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 17:59, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

• I don't see the need for the third link under 'External links"
  • Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 12:20, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

That's all I got, nice work. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 01:36, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Support - very nice job. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 18:03, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Image review

• Licensing is good but the image in the history section sandwiches with the infobox.

(t · c) buidhe 01:58, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

@Buidhe: Fixed the image.--ZKang123 (talk) 08:48, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Comments Support by Gerald Waldo Luis

Even four years since my last visit to S'pore, the arrival announcement to this and Raffles still haunts me haha. GeraldWL 06:12, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

• "The Cenotaph"-- shouldnt "the" be capitalized?
  • Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 12:47, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
• "between the City Hall and Raffles Place"-- link Raffles
  • Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 12:47, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
• Shouldn't "with" be "as part of" in "The station opened on 12 December 1987 with"?
  • Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 12:47, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
• "Cross-platform transfers between the NSL and EWL"-- link Cross-platform interchange
  • Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 12:47, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
• "is a designated Civil Defence"--> "is a designated Civil Defence"
  • Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 12:47, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
• "the area served" can be easily wikilinked to the C. Hall article
  • Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 12:47, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
• "this segment was targeted to be completed by December 1987. This segment was" -- avoid repetition --> "this segment was targeted to be completed by December 1987, and was"
  • Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 12:47, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
• "Christian ceremony near the St Andrews' Cathedral"-- link the cathedral
  • Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 12:47, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
• "which is just by" --> "located by", not sure if "just" emphasis is appropriate
  • Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 12:47, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
• "riverbank at the Immigration Building site"-- duplicate link, could elaborate with prose that the building is within Empress palace
  • Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 12:47, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
• By "bridge wedges" do you refer to Voussoir?
  • Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 12:47, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
• "The church was eventually declared safe for use and operations resumed on 2 June with the collapsed area backfilled. The engineers for the construction advised the church against using the half of the Cathedral near the site." church or cathedral?
  • Aren't both the same thing?--ZKang123 (talk) 12:47, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

  Yeah, that's why it is confusing, because if you switch between "church" and "cathedral" there's an impression that you're referring to two different buildings. Should be consistent in one of 'em. GeraldWL 03:46, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

  Fixed.--ZKang123 (talk) 05:54, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

• "It was noted that the foreman did not have his safety belt fastened. Investigations revealed that it was entirely an accident, with all other safety measures observed." --> "Investigators noted that he did not have his safety belt fastened, and with all other safety measures observed, it was ruled an accident."
  • Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 12:47, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
• Last sentence has excessive commas --> "Another linkway to Funan Centre was first announced in November 2017 and completed in December 2021."
  • Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 12:47, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
• "services operated from the Yishun to Lakeside stations"-- duplicate links
  • Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 12:47, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
• Similar to lead, link Singapore Civil Defence Force
  • Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 12:47, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
• Link Civic District, and the two roads
  • Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 12:47, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
• Duplicate links of C Hall, St Andrews
  • Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 12:47, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

• Support. GeraldWL 06:01, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Sammi Brie

Not much to complain about here. These are my suggestions for @ZKang123:: Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 21:52, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

• "Initially named St Andrew's MRT station, the station was part of the early plans for the original MRT network since 1982." Was or had been?
  • Er, I'm not too sure. What's the difference?--ZKang123 (talk) 01:06, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

  I mostly said it since the sentence had "since". Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 04:29, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

• "this segment was targeted to be completed by December 1987, and was given priority as it passes through areas that had a higher demand for public transport, such as the densely populated housing estates of Toa Payoh and Ang Mo Kio and the Central Area." The first comma is a User:Sammi Brie/Commas in sentences error; remove it.
  • Separated the sentences instead.--ZKang123 (talk) 01:06, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
• "at S$35.65 million" maybe "at a cost of S$35.65 million"
  • I usually try to avoid writing unnecessary words like "at a cost of", cos the value itself is already the cost. But I will use "for"--ZKang123 (talk) 01:06, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
• Wikilink Tunnel boring machine
  • Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 01:06, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
• "The piles installation" maybe "The installation of piles"?
  • Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 01:06, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
• "which retained its original bronze glaze but missing its handles" needs "was" before "missing"
  • Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 01:06, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
• "second" instead of "2nd" stage?
  • Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 01:06, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
• "The Cathedral was eventually declared safe for use and operations resumed on 2 June with the collapsed area backfilled." Comma needed after "use" (CinS)
  • Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 01:06, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
• "The engineers for the construction advised the Cathedral against using the half of the Cathedral near the site." half of the...facility? a word other than capital-C Cathedral?
  • I actually just want to say church though a previous editor said to be consistent. --ZKang123 (talk) 01:06, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
• Use "East–West" and "North–South" to match our articles
  • Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 01:06, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
• "A few days before the opening, on 28 October, transfer drills were launched for commuters to familiarise themselves with transferring between the two services: with passengers from Yishun having to alight at either Raffles Place or City Hall to continue their journey to Lakeside or vice versa." Change the colon to a comma.
  • I used en dash instead.--ZKang123 (talk) 01:06, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
  • @ZKang123: One last one: "The station has three levels and is a designated Civil Defence shelter. The station features a mural by Simon Wong, depicting government buildings in the area." Combine the two sentences in the lead to avoid choppiness. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:28, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
    • @Sammi Brie: Alright fixed all of the above, including about the "initially" sentence.--ZKang123 (talk) 06:00, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

      Happy to support. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:01, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

John M Wolfson

• City Hall MRT station is an underground Mass Rapid Transit (MRT) interchange station on the North–South line (NSL) and East–West line (EWL). mention in the first sentence, rather than the second, that this is in Singapore.
  • Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 04:07, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
• It was renamed to City Hall in November that year for historical reasons What historical reasons?
  • It's not elaborated much in the source, I'm afraid.
• Why are inflated figures given in US dollars, and not in Singaporean dollars? I am aware that the former is far more useful internationally, but I would assume native Singaporeans would be well served with modern Singaporean values if {{Inflation}} allows it.
  • I'm not sure if I should use both modern Singapore and US values, and the article after all is more to an international audience, not just Singaporeans.
• Due to requirements by the Ministry of Environment ensuring that the work site does not occupy more than 40% of the river width either remove "does" for the subjunctive or change it to "did" for the past tense.
  • Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 04:07, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
• Train services commenced on 12 December 1987 when the line extension to Outram Park station was completed.[28][29] The station was part of a route that ran continuously from Yishun station in the north to Lakeside station in the west. From 28 October 1989, it began to serve as the interchange station for both the East–West (EWL) and North–South (NSL) lines with the split of MRT operations. I'm not overly familiar with MRT, have the EWL and NSL always been referred to as such?
  • Yes as of late. Though usually the LTA refers to it as the NSEWL as one system when discussing upgrade programmes.--ZKang123 (talk) 04:07, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
• Any ridership details?
  • Not really.--ZKang123 (talk) 04:07, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Otherwise good work; please consider attending my FAC for Marshfield station, especially as the last FAC for it was closed owing to low turnout. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 23:35, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

@John M Wolfson: any further comments?--ZKang123 (talk) 07:08, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

None from me, other than a reiteration of my invitation for the Marshfield FAC. Happy to support. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 01:17, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Source review

Reviewing this version, spotcheck upon request and with the caveat that this isn't a topic I know well. Is there some more information on the nature of the source of #5? Is The Straits Times a reliable source - if it's a mouthpiece of an authoritarian political party, it seems like it might not be top-notch reliable. Otherwise, source formatting seems consistent and the sources OKish since I don't think we blanket-disqualify sources associated with authoritarian governments. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:44, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Not nominator here, but The Straits Times is a reliable source, one of the biggest newspapers in SG, and is frequently used in FA MRT articles. GeraldWL 09:45, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Well, if you read the consensus discussion on The Straits Times, it is generally reliable for this case, when it's about MRT construction instead of a political commentary.

Also, FN 5 links to the database API from which the passenger numbers were obtained...--ZKang123 (talk) 09:47, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

@Jo-Jo Eumerus: Other issues I still need to address?--ZKang123 (talk) 10:23, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

No, that's all, with usual qualifiers about no spotcheck and not being very familiar with these sources. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 21:24, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

• Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:44, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

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