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As of 27 November 2024, 18:42 (UTC), this page is active and open for discussion. An FAC coordinator will be responsible for closing the nomination.
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Nominator(s): NØ 06:43, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about the first track on Olivia Rodrigo's album Guts, "All-American Bitch". A strongly-worded critique of society's expectations from women, this song has everything, from a Kennedy reference to a transition from folk to pop-punk and a scream for the ages. Although not given the full single treatment, it did receive a great SNL performance! I wanted to time this around Election season in America, but no comment on the outcome of said election... I hope all American Wikipedians voted, and thanks a lot to everyone who will take the time to give their feedback here.--NØ 06:43, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Media review - pass

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Hi MaranoFan, happy to do the media review. The article contains the following media files:

The first two are images licensed under CC BY 2.0. The third one is a copyrighted audio file under fair use with a valid non-free use rationale. I'm not an expert here but the quality may be too high: it's 173 kbps but WP:SAMPLE recommends 64 kbit/s for ogg files.

The media files are relevant to the article and placed in appropriate locations. They all have captions. Both images have alt texts. The last clause of the English caption at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Olivia_Rodrigo_@_Theatre_at_Ace_Hotel_10_09_2023_(53422493857).jpg is a little odd. If "with perfect all American lips and tits" is a direct quote, then it needs quotation marks. Or the clause could simply be removed. Phlsph7 (talk) 10:47, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for doing the media review, Phlsph7. The 64kbit/s recommendation is referring to the value between length and file size, which is 63 kbps for this file. Similar sizes can be seen on other files like this one.--NØ 11:10, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah right, it seems I read of the kbps value of the mp3 file given at the bottom rather than the kbps value of ogg file itself. The caption has been adjusted, so this takes care of the remaining concern. Phlsph7 (talk) 09:28, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Medxvo

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  • "Lyrically, it is satire and explores society's ..." - "Lyrically, it is a satire song that explores society's ..."
  • "comparing it to the work of other rock artists" - what is "it"? the production, the song, or the production and her vocals?
  • "In the United States, it debuted at number 13 ..." - "In the United States, "All-American Bitch" debuted at number 13..."—The sentence before this isn't related to the song itself but to the vocals and the production
  • "platinum certification" - "platinum certification"—MOS:PIPE
  • "... on her face. This performance received positive reviews" - "... on her face; the performance received positive reviews from critics"
  • "Dan Nigro returned to produce every single track on it" - did we state in the article before this that Nigro also produced Sour?
  • "Joan Didion's book ..." - "Joan Didion's 1968 book ..."
  • "Initially written on a piano, they turned it into a rock song with a live band" - "Initially written on a piano, the song was turned into a rock song with a live band"—I don't think the first one is grammatically correct
  • "An online TikTok video compared the chorus of "All-American Bitch" to Miley Cyrus's 2008 single "Start All Over" - can we add something like "upon the song's release" to say that this is part of the immediate reception and justify the sentence being in the release section?
  • "Its production received comparisons" - "The song's production received comparisons"—The sentence before this isn't related to the song itself but to Rodrigo's vocals
  • "Laura Snapes described it as ..." - "Laura Snapes described the song as ..."—To clarify that they are talking about the song itself
  • "comparing it to Sour's opener "Brutal" - "comparing it to Sour's opener "Brutal" (2021)"
  • "Some opined that the song would be suitable ..." - can we attribute this to the two sources instead of "some"?
  • "Several others also described Rodrigo's vocals in the verses as angelic, and writing for MusicOMH, John Murphy believed her screams ..." - "Several critics described Rodrigo's vocals in the verses as angelic, with MusicOMH's John Murphy believing her screams ..."
  • "Beats Per Minutes's Lucas ..." - "Beats Per Minute's Lucas ..."
  • "was certified gold" - "was certified gold"
  • "top 10 song" - "top-10 song"
  • "in a concert exclusively for ..." - "in an exclusive concert for ..."
  • "Rodrigo sang it on Saturday Night Live eight days later" - "Rodrigo sang "All-American Bitch" on Saturday Night Live on December 9, 2023"—This is a new paragraph so I'd say the full date
  • "that provided 20 cakes for it became ..." - "that provided 20 cakes for the performance became ..."
  • "the Apple TV+ series The Buccaneers" - "the Apple TV+ series The Buccaneers (2023)"
  • the Guts World Tour is a 2024–2025 concert tour not just a 2024 tour; this is how it's currently considered... (for both the lead and prose)
  • There are incidents of "Guts's ...", "The New York Times's ...", "Chicago Sun-Times's ..." that I think should be "Guts' ...", "The New York Times' ...", "Chicago Sun-Times' ..."

I hope these comments are helpful for now. Best of luck with the FAC! Medxvo (talk) 20:45, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These are all done as well. Thanks for the well wishes!--NØ 18:53, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - pass

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  • "She references the Kennedy family while encapsulating her desire to meet ideals: "I got class and integrity, just like a goddamn Kennedy" - which part of the NME source supports this claim?
  • the Rolling Stone sources should have a limited access not a subscription access
  • The Wall Street Journal and The Tennessean should have a subscription access
  • The New York Times, The Cut, the Los Angeles Times, The Boston Globe, Vulture, Vogue, and the Minnesota Star Tribune should have a limited access for refs 1, 3, 35, 40, 46, 85, 86, 97, 98, and 99
  • Some sources need to be archived such as refs 44, 78, and 87
  • Why not use this source instead of the Apple TV+ Press source?

Medxvo (talk) 20:45, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I have implemented all the suggestions except an archive for ref 47, since the archive sites just produce a paywall and it has a ProQuest link which are usually not affected by linkrot.--NØ 17:18, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

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  • "returned to produce every single track on it." - i think "returned to produce every track on it." would suffice
  • "Rodrigo would listen to Rage Against the Machine" => "Rodrigo listened to Rage Against the Machine"
  • "some that were uptempo and others that were serious ones" - can a song not be both uptempo and serious.....?
  • There's a bit of inconsistency in tenses - you have "Jason Lipshutz [...] thought it illustrates" (present) but then further on you have "Chris Willman of Variety believed that it tapped into" (past)
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