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This is a collection of discussions on the deletion of articles related to Aviation. It is one of many deletion lists coordinated by WikiProject Deletion sorting. Anyone can help maintain the list on this page.

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Aviation Articles for Deletion (WP:AFD)

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Pratt & Whitney GG4

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Pratt & Whitney GG4 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I came across Ayres' History and Future of Technology and realized it copies substantial material from Wikipedia. This is explicitly acknowledged in the preface of the book, but there are still Wikipedia pages that cite it (without explicit qualification), in a case of citogenesis. Further, there are numerous passages from the book that are copied so closely to verbatim from Wikipedia, that they may be confused for copyviolations in the future. I'm taking on marking that reference as such to avoid this.

Pratt & Whitney GG4 is a particularly extreme case - all other references were copyviolations and were stripped from the article, leaving only the circular reference to Ayres, who explicitly back links to the Wikipedia page as his only source. Is there a different source demonstrating notability? Tule-hog (talk) 16:09, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vertical penetration

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Vertical penetration (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I don't find any sources for this use of the title term. Dicklyon (talk) 04:24, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - WP:NOTGUIDE this one uses aircraft to explain it, but online this term can also refer to specifics of high rise building construction. Or any number of other uses. — Maile (talk) 14:17, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete completely unsourced article for which I cannot find any sources in a quick search so it appears to be WP:OR. Created back in 2009 when things were less strict, but that does not justify keeping it.

American Airlines Flight 1722

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American Airlines Flight 1722 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Clearly fails WP:AIRCRASH and WP:NOTNEWS. Just is basically a WP:COOKIE accident. Routine and unnotable. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 04:51, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Routine. Procyon117 (talk) 13:28, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Minor incident. SignorPignolini (talk) 18:20, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
•Delete per Wikipedia:NOTNEWS no notable damage to the aircraft nor injuries to its occupants, Wikipedia is not a newspaper. Lolzer3k 02:13, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. and others. WP:NOTNEWS. Sal2100 (talk) 22:54, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anders Jallai

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Anders Jallai (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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WP:BLP of a writer, not properly sourced as having any strong claim to passing WP:AUTHOR. As far as his writing goes, the only attempt at a notability claim here is that his work exists, which isn't automatically enough in and of itself -- writers have to show that they pass WP:GNG on significant third-party coverage and analysis about their writing, not just use ISBN and Libris links to verify that their work exists. And the other attempted notability claim here is that he led a search for a missing plane, which wouldn't be "inherently" notable without a GNG-worthy depth and volume of coverage about that either.
But for sourcing, what we've got here is one deadlinked directory entry that isn't support for notability at all, and one deadlinked (but recoverable via Wayback) National Geographic article that briefly glances off Jallai's involvement in the plane search without being about him in any non-trivial sense, which thus isn't enough to magically vault him over WP:GNG all by itself. And while the Swedish interlang is longer and features more referencing than this, it's still based mainly on primary source directory entries that aren't support for notability, alongside a small smattering of more short blurbs about the plane search that also briefly mention Anders Jallai without being about him, so that article also doesn't have sources that could just be cut and pasted over to salvage this.
As I don't have access to archives of Swedish media coverage, I'm willing to withdraw this if somebody who does have such access can actually find enough substantive coverage to salvage the article, but nothing in it is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to have more and better referencing than this. Bearcat (talk) 19:03, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Awards don't clinch notability if your source for the award is the self-published website of the award. Since an award has to be notable in its own right before it can make its winners notable for winning it, the source for an award claim has to be media reportage that treats the award presentation as news, in order to demonstrate that the award is notable in the first place. And that's even more the case for general honors that can be presented to absolutely anybody for absolutely any reason, as opposed to being a defined awards program for achievement in a specific domain like literature or film. Bearcat (talk) 18:16, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Seconding Bearcat's point Czarking0 (talk) 01:05, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, El Beeblerino if you're not into the whole brevity thing 23:48, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - There are more sources on sv.wikipedia.org: [1] JeffUK 15:14, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I addressed that in my nomination statement: those are also virtually all primary sources or short blurbs that briefly namecheck Anders Jallai without being about Anders Jallai in any non-trivial sense, and thus aren't GNG-building sources. Bearcat (talk) 16:46, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2009 Aéro-Frêt An-12 crash

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2009 Aéro-Frêt An-12 crash (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Per WP:NOTNEWS and WP:EVENTCRIT. Per WP:GNG, "sources should be secondary sources, as those provide the most objective evidence of notability". From what I've been able to find, none of the sources were secondary in nature since none of them contained analysis, evaluation, interpretation, or synthesis of the event itself. The event does not have significant, in-depth, nor sustained continued coverage with coverage only briefly occurring in the aftermath of the accident. No lasting effects or long-term impacts on a significant region have been demonstrated. WP:EVENTCRIT#4 states that routine kinds of news events including most accidents – whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time – are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance, which this event lacks. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 08:11, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 08:02, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Samson Arega Bekele

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Samson Arega Bekele (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable businessman. All sources are PR, and I found no reliable sources online. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 04:06, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I did my research and read the previous AfD as well. The issues raised in the previous AfD were addressed. I do not think it is right to say sources are PR. For instance, the source with https://aec.afdb.org/ is from African Economic Conference (the equivalent of World Economic Conference in Africa) of African Development Bank (the equivalent of World Bank in Africa). My judgement is that an institution of this nature cannot be regarded as PR Source. Again, from my research, one of the sources TimesKuwait has been in the media space since 1996 and another The African Times have been around since 1989. These are independent sources in their own right. Another source - https://aviationbusinessjournal.aero/ is an influential aviation magazine. Since the subject is a top airline business executive, the rest sources are travel and aviation magazines including one that is associated with Havard. So I think the claim questioning the reliability of the sources is wrong. Again, compare the first article and this article and you will see that all issues violated by the first editor were fixed in this new article. The subject is a notable african airline executive in Africa and North America and I think it should stay with subsequent improvements as with all wikipedia articles. Cheers ! Astra Los Angeles (talk) 08:50, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Well, it's not a puffy as last time, but the "group vice president for customer experience" is very much a mid-level business executive, just above the rank and file. Sourcing now is largely from trade magazines, so nothing has changed since last time. Still a !delete. Oaktree b (talk) 15:20, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment: The VP is not a mid-level executive. See this [2] Further research here [3] also shows that there are C, V, D and B level executives and the only category rated as mid level executives here are the B level [4]. VPs fall under the V-suite that are rated senior executives and their roles or level of power depends on the organization and the country. Let's refer to the company itself. The GVP is included in Ethiopian Airlines senior level leadership team as captured here [5] but debating whether VP is a notable position or not is not the main crux and we have to refer to the Wikipedia guidelines on notability here Wikipedia:Notability (people) to consider whether the subject meets the notability criteria. First, the sources are independent and sources like the African Development Bank and the African Business Club of Harvard Business School [6] both mentioned the subject's receipt of US Presidential Lifetime Award which recognizes his contributions. Ethiopian Airline is Africa's largest airline and the subject was its face in North America for two years. Even though the VP is a notable position, the subject is not listed here because he is a VP. He is listed here because he is covered by several independent sources (especially in the african aviation industry where he belongs), the role he played in the airline industry during the COVID pandemic as MD in Canada (that earned him the NCBN Business person of the year award in 2021) and the significant award he bagged in the U.S IN 2023 as contained in the sources. When you look at the profiles of many CEOs on wikipedia including the current CEO of ethiopian airlines, that of this subject has more weight. You can be an ordinary classroom teacher and do big things. In the african aviation industry, the subject has earned it. Astra Los Angeles (talk) 09:05, 6 December 2024 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Astra Los Angeles (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD. [reply]
  • Comment: For perspective, he is (or was) one in a list of 179 similar people [7], so this is very much not a notable position. Oaktree b (talk) 15:22, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment: That is a yet to be updated website page. This is the current page for Ethiopian Airline corporate executive Team [8] - the apex leadership and management team of the company. The subject is listed there. Astra Los Angeles (talk) 09:12, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    One from a group of 16 isn't really helping your argument; we aren't LinkedIn, where every person gets an article. Being listed on a corporate website does not in any way show notability. Oaktree b (talk) 05:27, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment: Your first argument was that "it was one out of 179" and the comment provided in response was only to provide evidence/source to show that the claim was no longer true. Glad you have seen that it is no longer 1 out of 179 but 1 out of 16. Now you talk about being listed on a corporate website. If you read the article, there was no where that the link to the corporate website of the organization was used as reference to validate the subject's position. The subject notability is not hinged on whether he is/was 1 out of 179 or 10 out 10 or whatever number. The corporate website I pointed you was just for the purposes of this discussion/to make clarifications that you needed. I agree with you that we aren't LinkedIn where every person gets an article but you should agree with me that a foreign business executive who receives a US Presidential Lifetime award while serving in the US should get an article among other things listed in the article. You should also note that such recognition was recognized by sources like the continent's development bank, a Harvard affiliated group and other industry sources(which were added to the article). It was never about the position being top, mid or bottom as you want it to be narrowed. Remember to assume good faith Astra Los Angeles (talk) 08:44, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom and others. Non-notable businessperson, with shallow, limited coverage. Archimedes157 (talk) 20:47, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as there is an unbolded Keep argument. A source assessment would be helpful here.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 04:52, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The subject's notability stems not just from holding a VP position but from significant, independently verifiable achievements in the African aviation industry. Credible sources, such as the African Development Bank and the African Business Club of Harvard, highlight his receipt of the U.S. Presidential Lifetime Achievement Award and his recognised contributions during the COVID-19 pandemic. These accomplishments go beyond routine duties, making him a notable figure in his field. The sources cited meet Wikipedia's reliability standards, and the article addresses prior issues raised in earlier AfDs. This case satisfies WP:NBIO through significant independent coverage and impact. <span data-dtsignatureforswitching="1"></span> — AONDOH (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. AONDOH (talk) 12:14, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. A source analysis would be helpful. I was curious about the "Presidential Lifetime Achievement Award" which is apparently given to community volunteers which is odd because I don't believe this subject lives in the U.S. It is also sourced to a bio on a speaker's bureau so very likely written by the subject or their representatives.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 04:23, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: On the question of whether he lived in the US, the article says he served as Regional Director in the USA from 2022 - 2024. I doubt if he still lives in the U.S till this day but he obviously LIVED and WORKED in the U.S at some point as captured in the article. Astra Los Angeles (talk) 07:23, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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