Wikipedia:Barnstar and award proposals/Archive9

Possible Barnstar suggestion ?

The following discussions are an archived debate. Please do not modify it.

A Little cold?

Humm, I've noticed that the rate of contribution for the forums on the new awards has decreased considerably. Some discussions have been on a stand-still for weeks! We're not getting much done around here, and at that pace, the internet will become obsolete before we can conclude all of the new awards currently in discussion. Could it be that the general interest has thined a little? Or maybe people are just busy and can't contribute as much as they used to. In any case, maybe we should organize some sort of "drive" to get some of the regular contributors back?? We must rekindle this forum. Regards, Redux 05:43, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

Clockwork has been involved in trying to find impostors on Wikipedia, but I left him a note on his talk page. I have been involved in reverting vandalism, which have been turned into edit wars. I am willing to get rid of some of these ideas by voting on them. I already redid the Motivator award, so it looks less like a barnstar. That is ready for a vote. Zscout370 (talk) 12:41, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

It seems that when a new proposal is introduced, users pounce to debate it while leaving old discussions abandoned. Perhaps there are too many discussions occurring at once, ideas have been drained, or we all need some motivation. What sort of "drive" were you thinking of, Redux? Sango123 16:06, May 8, 2005 (UTC)

What I will do is that I will have awards that are currently being voted on be placed at the top page, while putting the proposials at the bottom. The page set up will be different than what we have right now, but I hope it works. Zscout370 (talk) 16:12, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

I like Zscout370's proposal for a new set up for the page. It should help expedite the votes and make consultation of all the new discussions much easier. Sango123's point is very similar to the one I had raised on the discussion right above this one: too much stuff going on, people just get divided and we can't seem to finish anything. What I was thinking about was a standard message (so we don't take forever to get it all done) to be placed in the talk pages of all the users that are or have been until recently regular contributors to this forum (e.g.: Grutness, ClockworkSoul, Deathphoenix and others, although this is a relatively subjective assessment). In it, we could tell them that their input is missed and invite them to return if they can. But, and this may well be the most important part of it, let them know of this idea (if others agree with me that this is the best way to get things done) of taking one discussion at a time and not moving on to any other idea until the proposed award at hand has been decided on. Not many people took notice of the discussion on that subject, so what little contribution the forum has received over the last month has been split between the many, many different awards currently in discussion. Redux 22:40, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

That sounds like a good idea. Should proposals for new awards/Barnstars continue or be stopped until we get the current ones decided and voted on? Sango123 23:15, May 8, 2005 (UTC)

Just like with the Images for Deletion page, we can have a "holding cell" of proposals that just have been added, and has been accepted by the community to discuss and vote on. I moved the section of Category Barnstars onto it's own page, while I have created templates of the completed Barnstars. I have created sections of Barnstars up for a vote, Completed barnstars and the ones that are being debated. It will take some time, due to server errors, but it shall be done. Zscout370 (talk) 00:55, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

I believe we should establish priorities: no new ideas should be introduced until all of those that are up for discussion are settled. If a newcomer introduces a new proposal, we would let him know that his suggestion is greatly appreciated but that it will be added to the bottom of our list (and thus may take a while for it to actually be discussed). As for those awards that are already on the forum (category barnstars mainly, which Zscout370 has just moved), we establish an order of preference, according to which they would be discussed, one at a time. We would post that listing at the top of each discussion, in order to let people know (e.g.: "This award is 4th in the order of discussion. Now working on 2nd item." or something like this). I would suggest as criteria for organizing the list: 1) The discussions that are closer to a conclusion should take precedence. The closer it is to being settled, the higher it will go on the list. 2) Should two or more awards seem to be exactly as close to conclusion, the discussion that is the oldest takes precedence. I don't believe there should be any ties in this second criterium, for I propose that the "age" of the discussion be defined by the date of the first comment by a user on the topic, by date. If those are the same, hour differences shall decide. If those are the same as well, minutes (even a one-minute separation should be sufficient to determine which discussion takes precedence over another). I see it as practically impossible that a tie would withstand a minute-based separation. This way, all of the awards' discussions will be halted for a while. How long that will last for each discussion, the criteria (and how long we would take to settle each discussion) would decide. Redux 01:04, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Since we are a small band of people, we can take a while to discuss and approve the awards, since it took a while to get some awards through. The holding cell is the exact place we can put the new ideas at, and just the page like a talk page: the newest awards on bottom. I am trying to keep things from oldest to youngest, and I am nearly done with my changes. Zscout370 (talk) 01:08, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

The holding cell sounds like a good idea for ordering the newest proposals for awards. I don't believe it would apply for the ongoing discussions though. Since those are already onset and are quite numerous, and therein lies the problem, I proposed that list as a neutral form of establishing a order of discussion for them, which we would tackle one at a time (which would represent a temporary arrest in the discussions of all the awards currently in discussion). Redux 01:14, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

The holding cell will only affect the added ideas from now until whenever the policy changes again. Though, the idea that was recently added, we can add to the archives, since it was pretty much shot down. I still need to get through my featured article award and the motivation award, plus Sango has two awards (one here, one in the category) that needs to be fixed. And I am still wanting the Barnstar of National Merit to be used for the Geography category awards. Zscout370 (talk) 01:21, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Group aknowledgements

Barnstar for Wikiprojects

The following is the archive of an ended discussion. Please don't edit the contents. The result of the discussion was no follow up on proposal. Abandoned.

There's a number of Wikiprojects that have made great steps towards their goals and have improved Wikipedia a lot (From the most prolific wikiprojects: Wikiproject Stub sorting, Wikiproject Ceatceans). So why not a barnstar for Wikiprojects. 500LL 13:16, May 31, 2005 (UTC)

Yes, but to avoid excessive proliferation of different barnstars, I suggest that there should be just one Wikiproject barnstar. — Chameleon 13:04, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Anyone have suggestions on what this barnstar should look like? Sango123 July 3, 2005 20:21 (UTC)

barnstar svg:s

The following discussions are an archived debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. The result of all of the following discussions was Adopt DYK Medal

DYK Barnstar or medal

How about something for Wikipedians who have achieved at least 5 or more nominations of Wikipedia's newest articles which were featured on Wikipedia's Did You Know? section on the Main Page? I suggest that successful nominations for someone else's new article should count equally with self-created new article nominations. It's a lot of work either way. the DYK section helps keep the Main Page vital. There is a bit of healthy competition among editors currently. Someone else with art talent will need to come up with an appropriate image for the award: I just write and edit, I don't draw!

Mark in Historic Triangle of Virginia Vaoverland 21:09, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Just for reference, a very similar award was suggested prior to this proposal. The archived discussion can be found here. Sango123 (talk) 00:33, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Reading through the archive, I am left to conclude that the idea was just sorta put "on hold"? Personally, I like the Trailblazer concept. So, now what? Vaoverland 18:02, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

I like this idea and had also previously requested for such a barnstar since i like DYKs. Can we renew the discussion here? Idleguy 19:27, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Possible image. (Sango123)

As mentioned in the previous discussion, a DYK Barnstar seemed too narrow for an official award, so how about using the Trailblazer concept for creating new articles? A possible image could be the barnstar to the left; green suggests growth and newness. Any thoughts or ideas? Sango123 (talk) 19:41, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Hmm. Not bad but not really great. I was thinking something like those product ads that come with labels like New, Improved etc. Actually make that a shining/sparkling (silver maybe) barnstar to denote the freshness. Idleguy 20:16, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

I also like the expanded thinking of the Trailblazer, since it encompasses more than just DYK. So, how may we renew consideration? I am a writer, not a Wiki-Politician!! Vaoverland 20:51, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Though I may be a bit biased (I proposed the original idea) :-), I think that we should have a Trailblazer barnstar. As I said in the archived discussion, I imagined a fire-red barnstar with a zig-zag path/trail behind. I'm not an artist, though (don't even have Photoshop!), so I couldn't create this myself. Comments? Thanks. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | W_S 21:37, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

I like that image even better. However, I writes, not draws. <gr> Vaoverland

Possible image 2, draft. (Sango123)

Something like this? Sango123 (talk) 22:09, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

I was thinking more of a trail/path behind the barnstar, perhaps to the left. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | W_S 22:50, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

This trailblazer seems better. maybe the trail fire can look better though its still draft version. Unfortunately I don't have an eye for art and am poor at designing else I could've helped. Idleguy 05:13, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

The trail reminds me of the video of the Challenger disaster. What's with the squiggle-zig-zag? Some straighter traces would be better. It's still better than the passive green concept, though. Vaoverland 14:31, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

No zig-zag. (Sango123)

Here's one with a non-fiery, straight trail from the left. Sango123 (talk) 16:28, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

That's an improvement, and I'd settle for it. However, I was thinking of something like this:

Design... don't laugh!

Where the star represents the barnstar, and to the left would be a brown trail or path. As I've said, I write, not draw. Pardon my drawing, as I'm artistically challenged. :-) Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | W_S 20:44, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Ah... I wasn't sure exactly what you meant by "trail", but your drawing effectively clears that up. :) By the way, do you want the trail to come from only one point of the star? Sango123 (talk) 22:06, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words. :-) I'm not sure, I really didn't think about that. Maybe try one version like that, another version where the trail comes from the bottom two points, and another version where the trail is in the middle? See what looks the best. Thanks a lot! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | W_S 22:14, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

I like the one that is labled "no zip zag". Vaoverland 02:53, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Like Flcelloguy said the trail should probably come at the bottom... Actually I'm so bad at imagining :D Idleguy 17:30, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Trail from two points. (Sango123)

I tried several different variations, but I like this one the best. :) Sango123 (talk) 17:55, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

With all due respect to its creator, I think the most recent version looks like a vehicle skidding to a stop instead of streaking forward. But then, I am a transportation writer. Mark Vaoverland 19:30, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

I second vaoverland's view. I just don't see it falling in place somehow and i'm also unable to imagine. but keep the ideas coming since I'm not good at artsy things. maybe how about changing the image idea to one I had proposed initially like a "sparkling barnstar" (silver color probably) That would be also different. Just my 2 banana cents. Idleguy 06:04, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Welp, the first idea for a DYK barnstar (also available in non-animated version!)... other ideas would just be a circle with the DYK-updated ? mark in it, or more emphasis on a shiny-new theme instead of a question/information theme... And, yes, I know it sucks, why do you ask?  :) Bushytails 05:38, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

I think it's a good idea. Remove the animation (and all the black question marks) and it will be the best one so far. Seriously, simplicity > bloat. -- Ynhockey 06:11, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Simple version. Bushytails 06:39, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

• 
  First overly-animated version
• 
  Simplified, less-sucky version
• 
  Ok, so I like making them suck...
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  Bigger ? in different font
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  The DYK medal

And re-suckified. Bushytails 06:57, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

I strongly believe that the barnstar or medal should be exclusive to DYK. We hv a FA medal, why not for DYK which is the second feature of the Main Page? And while we are at it, we can have the cutoffs as 5 DYK entries (self-noms), 8 DYK entries (articles created by me but DYK suggested by others) and 15 DYK entries (articles created by others but suggested by me). No need for a hard and fast rule - for example, I may self-nom 4 suggestions but nominate other articles 3 times etc. I like the last version by Bushytails (the one with a single "?" and shining barnstar), though I'd want to see a version where the star is below the question mark, as if the ? is a hanger from which the barnstar is hung. Regards, --Gurubrahma 11:09, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

I like the idea of an award for DYK, since I do most of the updates I know the frequent and highly quality contributors, and I can think of 5-6 users that I would give the award to now. Since I'm potentially in a postition where I would award this barnstar- I don't think a numerical limit (4 DYKs = 1 barstar) is a workable or desirable, my criteria would be based on the quailty of new article, the supply of articles with free pics and the contributors persistence for example 8 DYKs over 6 weeks over a range of subjects. I can also think of at least one RC patroller that suggests lots of new artilces and has done so over a few months who I think would be a candidate. Also, I like Bushytails simplified, less sucky version, but the question makr should be bigger.--nixie 10:15, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Bigger enough? I don't have the font used for the DYK-updated image, so had to pick another font... trying to scale the little image bigger was rather ugly... I could vectorize it and scale the vectorized version (I need one of those photography/image barnstars.  :), but I figure that for now, a different font is ok... I kinda like the shining version better (with the blinkies every 5 seconds), and it isn't too over-animated. Any ideas? Bushytails 06:15, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

So, where are we at with all this? Vaoverland 02:17, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

I suggest we create a silver shining (sparkling) barnstar instead. My original idea... Heh Idleguy 05:57, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

A silver barnstar would be a tad too similar to the Resilient Barnstar. I think the question mark alone works well, as it's simple and concisely portrays the DYK aspect. Any extra animation might draw focus away from the barnstar's purpose (although the sparkles on the Bushytails' third version are quite pretty. ;-) The fourth version would look great with a solidly colored question mark, possibly beveled or embossed. Any thoughts? Sango123 (talk) 19:11, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

In that case I'd say in the current crop Bushy's 3rd barnstar looks good with a solid color as Sango says. Idleguy 03:38, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

I had previously spoken of a version where the star is below the question mark, as if the ? is a hanger from which the barnstar is hung. The third draft of AFD rescue barnstar (see below) seems to be similar in thought. --Gurubrahma 05:17, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

I prefer the fourth barnstar with the larger "?", though I agree with Sango it should have a more solid appearance. Nixie is absolutely right that this should be rewarded on subjective criteria rather than some formula, as the quality of entries varies greatly.--Pharos 14:15, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Broad enough?

Just to play devil's advocate for a bit, is this star really broad and general enough? I really think that we shuld do our best to minimize creeping barnstarism, especially since we already have a whole zoo of the things buzzing around. – ClockworkSoul 16:03, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

I agree. There's such thing as too many barnstars. --Deathphoenix 16:25, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, I think DYK is really a horse of a different color than the valiant deeds which other barnstars honor. We shouldn't have arbitrary barnstars, but this really isn't at all analogous with creeping featurism in software; an exotic zoo with all the bells and whistles is rather efficient for an awards system.--Pharos 14:15, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I agree and support both a DYK barnstar and a AFD rescue barnstar (discussion below). --Gurubrahma 07:46, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Action on DYK Barnstar?

So, folks, I ask once again, what may we do to get a consensus and determine whether there will be a DYK barnstar? Meanwhile, I am back to working on WP content. Mark Vaoverland 11:24, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

How about something that isn't a barnstar? Maybe a gold questionmark? Barnstars seem really special and shouldn't be introduced too willynilly (I think I have minor standing to make suggestions but not to participate in consensus discussion itself, as I've had 5 selfnoms selected as main page DYKs... not sure that merits a barnstar, really, but something small/minor might be nice.) There ARE people who deserve barnstars for their work on this, but those would be the admins who do the moving around gruntwork... and those could be handled with existing barnstars, IMHO. ++Lar: t/c 18:33, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

I strongly feel that it should be a medal a la FA medal. I have requested AzaToth to create a design and he complied in a handsome way. Bushytails is away due to a deep personal loss and hence I had to request AzaToth to kickstart the discussion again with a new image. It would be great if someone can work on the animation part to get it sparkle. Also, someone may want to look at the strap of the FA medal to incorporate that in this design. I like this design because the medal also has a star ;). Let us close this asap - it has been way too delayed. --Gurubrahma 08:07, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Why not have something simpler like:

_→AzaToth 17:39, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid it is unlike any of the prevalent awards - the medal version currently being voted on is on lines of what people have wanted all along (as can be made from the threads above). The last thing we need is another discussion on the award, considering the long delay due to a series of unfortunate events. btw, I reduced the size of the image above to 100px as it seemed to be taking too much space. --Gurubrahma 17:47, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Action

As barnstars are used to cover broader ground, we can have the medal in the related awards page, a la FA medal. Let us close this fast as we have been dormant for long on this discussion. Please vote Support or Oppose on the DYK medal - concept and design - in the straw poll.

Straw poll for DYK Medal

1. Support --Gurubrahma 14:19, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
2. Support -- evrik 15:11, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
3. Support -- smurrayinchester^{(User), (Talk)} 15:18, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
4. Support: --Bhadani 17:36, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
5. Support: looks good. Rama's Arrow 17:37, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
6. Support - either one. If the medal runs into trouble for whatever reason, I think the gold diamond/square is also quite neat and would be fine with it. ++Lar: t/c 18:36, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
7. Support either, but the one with the ribbon is best Vaoverland 06:32, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
8. Support Neat. --Idleguy 17:35, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
9. Support, I prefer the medal over the medal over the icon too.--nixie 03:25, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
10. Support abakharev 06:52, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
11. Support --Ghirla ^-трёп- 07:09, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
12. Support ➨ ❝REDVERS❞ 14:35, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
13. Support. — Rebelguys2 ^talk 19:04, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

The following discussions are an archived debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. The result of all of the following discussions was Inconclusive

Inclusiveness Barnstar

Draft 1 of Inclusiveness Barnstar

This barnstar is to be awarded to anyone, by anyone for recognition of efforts to incorporate contributions made by multiple contributors with multiple bodies of research. Many different people from many different backgrounds often come together when working on an article. Making sure that every piece of input is considered and given the appropriate voice can often mean the difference between a weak article and a solid one. Those who are able to successfully integrate differeny streams of input and varying interpretations with eachother are furthering the collaborative cause.

The idea for the graphic is basically a star with different coloured orbs about it. The orbs represent the different pieces of information that need to be weighed. Each one is in a different position relative to the star to symbolize the fact that different people come from different places and backgrounds. In the center of the star is a swirly-magjig intended to signify the coming together of the varying sources and contributions. yonkeltron 11:25, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure that I get the scope you are proposing. But it seems to me that this kind of effort can be easily recognized with such awards as The Original Barnstar or the Working Man Barnstar. Regards, Redux 03:24, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Baystar

Possible image for the Baystar.

I have a new proposal; a barnstar for users that is very "meta-active" (activity and other good edits in the Wikipedia: space and other Wikipedia or Wikimedia-related spaces) and/or have created one or some usefuls guidelines and/or policys. --Off! 16:28, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

The original barnstar should cover this fine. smurrayinchester^{(User), (Talk)} 16:31, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

• Original Barnstar should be fine. evrik 16:53, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Cricket

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Please feel free to add the cricket barnstar and bat to the list, if you so wish, but I can't see any reason why WP:CRIC should not continue to award both of them. Quite why Evrik felt sufficiently moved to delete the bat from the project page and various participants' user pages is beyond me. I have reverted the ones I have found.

As for a "goundswell of support", it would be nice to at least post a notice on a WikiProject's talk page if you are thinking of mucking about with its awards. -- ALoan (Talk) 13:08, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

• If you look at the rest of the awards, you'll see that each wikiproject has only one award listed. The purpose of posting all of them was to generate some discussion. Personally, if the cricket people want two. I'm fine with that, but they should only get one listed on this page like everyone ese. --evrik 14:28, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Cricket Bat

Image	Name	Description
	WikiProject Cricket	The Oldest Cricket Bat is awarded in recognition of sterling contributions to WikiProject Cricket. Introduced by jguk.

• OpposeI prefer the Cricket Star. evrik 18:46, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose – The Cricket Star is more aesthetically pleasant. Rosa 21:23, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
• Support – I think that the Wikiprojects have the right to create their own awards. – ClockworkSoul 14:09, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment I agree that each Wikiproject should be able to give out an award if it chooses, see my comments above. evrik 19:01, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
• Support Hiding talk 20:54, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
• I propose that this award be phased out in fvaor of the other award. evrik 16:36, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep this and one below I'm a member of WikiProject Cricket and have posted a message on our talk page. Replacing this award has wrecked many of the captions underneath the image. Most of them say "I award the oldest cricket bat to ..." but the image is now the cricket barnstar. Gizza^{Chat ©} 12:38, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
• I guess most people don't care. However, I believe that only one should get listed on the awards page. evrik 17:02, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
• Support does it hurt to have two? And this had been in function for so long it will really affect people's user pages. All for no reason...Nobleeagle (Talk) 07:52, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
• Support both.ßlηguγΣη | Have your say!!! - review me 07:55, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Cricket Star

Image	Name	Description
	The Cricket Star	The Cricket Star is awarded in recognition of sterling contributions to WikiProject Cricket. This award was introduced by jguk on 14 August 2005 but may be awarded by any WikiProject Cricket participant. Award designed by User:Ngb.

• Support This would be good for that wikiproject. evrik 18:46, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
• Support – I agree. Rosa 21:24, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
• Support – I think that the Wikiprojects have the right to create their own awards. – ClockworkSoul 14:09, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
  • • Comment Why does cricket get two?evrik 19:02, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Why is it allowed to use the barnstar name and others haven't been? Support, but oppose barnstar appellation. Hiding talk 19:17, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
  • That may have been my mistake from when I placed it on the page. I just edited it. evrik 19:26, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
    • Sweet. Support.Hiding talk 20:54, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
  • I propose that if in the next week the award doesn't get a groundswell of support from its wikiproject or other users that we just place it on the PUA Page as a PUA, and not a barnstar or a wikiproject award. evrik 16:14, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
    • Getting a bit ahead of yourself, are you not? Nobleeagle (Talk) 07:57, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
      • Not at all. It took a little action to get someone to start making some comments. evrik 14:37, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
• Support both.ßlηguγΣη | Have your say!!! - review me 07:55, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
• Support both like Blnguyen. Nobleeagle (Talk) 07:57, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Name and Number

• Before this is archived, I want to address one issue - is this an award, a star, or a barnstar? Past precedent would be to name this as a star or award - mainly because it wasn't developed on this page, but was placed here after the fact. In fact, the cricket community has seemed resentful that its awards have been put up for review as part of their listing on this page. I am inclined to let the community decide. --evrik 14:54, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
• A second issue would be how many awards will this community be allowed to list on this page. I'm inclined to say one, the Star, as an issue of fairness to the other awards listed here. --evrik 14:54, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

On personal awards

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I propose that we remove all of the "personal user awards" from here: they're creations by individuals that are meant to be outside of the "community" barnstars. We simply have no right to go and decide whether they should or shouldn't exist. – ClockworkSoul 15:02, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

The guidelines (I don't know if they're changed already) says that anybody can add awards to the PUA according to the favour, and PUA moderators should check out for other awards inside the community and list them there. PUAs don't have, and never had, to go through a proposal of acceptance to be placed. It's, maybe therefore, a common practice for BAP and PUA moderators to put rejected barnstars onto PUA. On many occasions, when a user proposes a new PUA, mods of BAP ask them to put the award directly onto PUA, because BAP is not a location to discuss PUA. It's just a place to debate about the general barnstars. Anybody can create whatever PUA they like. --Deryck C. 15:27, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

An additional comment: as per ClockworkSoul, BAP has no rights to overrule PUA. PUA is a free community (at least freer than the barnstar proposal area). This proposal, to batch-outrule PUAs, is itself not legitimate. --Deryck C. 15:31, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

• I have nothing against the PUA Awards, I just think Barnstar, PUA and ORA pages need to be reorganized. I also think that the wikiproject related stars need to be moved of the PUA page.

What I would also like to see is a more standardized format that the awards are placed on the page detailing the who, what where when and why of each of the awards. evrik 15:46, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Points of fact:

1. Awards currently on PUA have their dates, PICs of establishment, and nature of use clearly stated.
2. If you just wanna better organize ORAs, consider splitting them onto an additiona page instead of reforming the current PUA. --Deryck C. 15:49, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) Ultra-hyper-strong support for removal of PUAs. PUAs don't have to go through any sort of process. --Deathphoenix ʕ 15:53, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

• Note: None of the awards have been touched, or removed. I think we should let the discusion run it's course. I don't intend on deleting anything, but I hope that by generating some discussion we can improve the process.

Maybe we should move the Wikiproject stars from the PUA Page, move them to the other realted awards page, or create a page for Wikiproject stars?

• Note, not all the PUA's have their dates, PICs of establishment, and nature of use clearly stated. evrik 16:03, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

• Of course not all, because a manually maintained thing can never be perfect. --Deryck C. 16:08, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Ummm, that's not what you said. You said, "Awards currently on PUA have their dates, PICs of establishment, and nature of use clearly stated." Which is it? evrik 18:22, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Counter-boldness: removing the PUAs

I'm going to be bold and lop off the entire section of this page that includes the PUAs. I believe that they were added here in good faith, but in error. If anybody feels that each PUA should be re-added so that we may evaluate the worthiness of each one, then I'll be happy to add my voice towards building a consensus. – ClockworkSoul 19:48, 25 March 2006 (UTC)