Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zygon

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge‎ to List of Doctor Who universe creatures and aliens. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:14, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zygon

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I believe this subject fails independent notability. A search through News, Scholar, and Books nails various results for "Zygon", but the vast bulk of the results are discussing the episodes they featured in (Three of which have "Zygon" in the title) and are acting as individual analyses of those respective episodes. Nearly all sourcing mentioning the Zygons is only discussing them in the context of a wider review or analysis of the episode, and anything else that does exist is a trivial mention that isn't enough to build an article on. Additionally, all of the article's current sourcing is similar excerpts from reviews, with the only real claim to notability being David Tennant liking them (A minor bit of trivia) and a wasp being named after them (Which does not automatically indicate notability per numerous subjects who get animals named after them that also lack articles). A viable AtD is to the Zygon section of "List of Doctor Who universe creatures and aliens" where the bulk of the notable information on the Zygons as a species is already contained. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 16:04, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Science fiction and fantasy, and Television. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 16:04, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. Cremastra (u — c) 23:25, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. Sources do not go into detail about this and it fails WP:N. Jontesta (talk) 16:40, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into listed AtD. The Zygon section can easily be expanded by a paragraph or two. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 17:07, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into listed AtD, List of Doctor Who universe creatures and aliens, per nominator's rationale. Mr Sitcom (talk) 08:51, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge or keep. I think the article with the commentary based on secondary sources we have now, even if plot summary and publication history were significantly trimmed, would still be a non-stubby article which also fullfills WP:NOTPLOT. Therefore, WP:WHYN and thus WP:N is fullfilled. It is not relevant with regard to notability, if the article topic is the main topic of the source, so I see no reasons to discount sources which are episode reviews, as long as they have something to say directly on the Zygons as opposed to just on the episode while mentioning Zygons in passing. In the interest of forming consensus I am not opposed to merging this into List of Doctor Who universe creatures and aliens, where most of the content based on secondary sources is already present, if another paragraph with plot summary and publication history is added as suggested by DoctorWhoFan91.

BTW, thanks to the nominator for providing those details on the results of their WP:BEFORE search rather than just writing "fails notability because there were no secondary sources". I find this very helpful and it reduces the time one has to spend when participating in a deletion discussion, time I would prefer to spend editing elsewhere. Daranios (talk) 14:56, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect/Merge to their section at List of Doctor Who universe creatures and aliens - The nomination presented a pretty clear argument for why a independent article is not justified, but as they are already covered in the target list, there is no reason to not Redirect there, and move any reliably sourced commentary, if any, over there. Rorshacma (talk) 19:41, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect/merge per Rorshacma. While this has notability issues, there is a pretty cheap/easy WP:ATD here. Shooterwalker (talk) 00:12, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.