Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Janet Wertman

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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 12:54, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Janet Wertman

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All her books are self published, and one PW review isnt enough for notability as an author. As one would expect for self-published work, they are in almost no worldcat libraries (19 for v.1, 12 for v.2)

Given the self-published status, this could also be considered as entirely promotional DGG ( talk ) 21:21, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment There are other references to sources like The Hour (newspaper), Historical Novel Society, and for the record there is more than one PW review.IphisOfCrete (talk) 22:32, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Changed my position after DGG's response. I actually had no clue PW was a program for libraries.... Missvain (talk) 18:12, 23 January 2020 (UTC)I don't really consider her passing general notability guidelines. We have three reliable secondary sources, one from The Hour which interviews her as a subject matter expert, and two[1][2] book reviews for her self-published books. Everything else cited in the article is from primary or non-mainstream sources, and I couldn't find any other reliable secondary sources covering her to beef up the article more. Missvain (talk) 22:01, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

both reviews are in PW, a source whose purpose in the world is to sell books to libraries. They didn't succeed with these two: Jabe is in only 19 libraries, Somerset in 12 , despite having been published over 3 years ago. I wondered at this, until I read to the bottom of each review and found that they had copied both of the reviews from "BookLife" via its OnlineBookClub.org. It is, to quote their site, "Over two million new books are released each year alone. Promoting your book online is like trying to whisper in a loud night club. It is NOT easy. You cannot promote your own book online simply by you the author saying it is good. You need endorsements from top sources. OnlineBookClub.org is a huge, popular website with a massive following. " So it's a blatantly unreliable source. The reference in the article from The Hour os a self-promotional interview with the author. The Historical Novel Society was established "in order to support writers of new historical fiction"

in order to judge references, you have to first, actually read them , and second, see where their information comes from. Missvain, you're usually careful, so please look again. DGG ( talk ) 17:34, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete everything sources back to promotionalism. There are not reliable sources here.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:30, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 12:41, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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