Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Inept

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete both. Singu larity 19:41, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Inept

Say Goodbye to This (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) -- band's album, added by Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 13:57, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

At first glance, this Chicago band would appear to be notable from the claims of touring; however, a deeper look indicates that it doesn't quite make WP:MUSIC at this time, though they seem to be going in the right direction. They have a single EP out, which appears to be self-published, and a claim of an album coming out next year. I've been unable to find any media coverage of the band except for a mention of the Chicago radio station's competition, and their touring seems to consist of being a local band playing Chicago-area venues on the Warped Tour, one of 60 bands playing the Dirtfest events, and a local opener for the Chicago shows of Taste of Chaos. Technically, they have played with the many bands mentioned here, but it would appear they were on the second or third stages. I don't see indications of national touring, media coverage, major awards, notable label involvement, or anything else that would confer notability at this point. Delete Tony Fox (arf!) 05:22, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A search of Google News archives turns up empty. Perhaps they will be notable sometime soon; but, for now, delete. --Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 05:28, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per nom. To Tony Fox, you might also want to include the article for their EP in this nomination (Say Goodbye to This). For other users, earlier I nominated the individual band member articles here. --TM 05:47, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletions. —Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 05:36, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Nothing here yet. Simply becayse a band plays in many places does not mean that reliable sources have noticed them yet. If reliable sources haven't noticed them, Wikipedia should not either. --Jayron32|talk|contribs 05:52, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletions. —Littleteddy (talk) 12:43, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete both, not notable yet, fails WP:BAND. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 13:57, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Nothing at all. If you knew anything about this band from visiting absolutepunk.net, The Daily Chorus, or even keep tabs anywhere, they are a big name across the midwest, and spreading across the nation. SOME of those bands listen have been played with at festivals, yes, but most have not. They just played with Papa Roach, just got done with dates with Quietdrive, have played regularly with Trapt, Madina Lake, and many others. This band will be exploding soon, and I see no reason for their page to be deleted at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.94.213.221 (talk) 07:26, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The key word there being "soon." Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Notability must come first, before an article. If you have reliable sources that indicate the band meets the music guidelines, please point them out for consideration. Tony Fox (arf!) 07:34, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is full of useless and pointless articles all over the place. It's a shame that you and some others are this concerned about a national touring band that is unsigned. Go to their MySpace page and check their tour dates (unless you think they're lying about that too), check with other bands they've played with, talk to producers, A&R people, booking agents, venues. Just because you haven't heard of them or know anything about them, doesn't mean nobody else doesn't, and they aren't a notable band. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.94.213.221 (talk) 07:41, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
They also meet guidelines 7, 11, and 12, and soon to be more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.94.213.221 (talk) 07:44, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hearing about them isn't the issue. What matters is READING about them. Sounds are ephemeral and hard to capture in a permanent, verifiable form, and what I hear is hard to cite in a bibliography. If you have written words rather than spoken words, it would go a long way towards helping keep this article around. Also, it should be noted, just because Wikipedia contains other articles that have not yet been deleted, but should, does not excuse this article of its shortcomings. ANd if it meets guidelines 7, 11, and 12, please provide references to verify that it does. Thanks! --Jayron32|talk|contribs 17:51, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - We don't publish what hasn't already been published in reliable sources. If no reliable, third-party sources can be found for an article topic, Wikipedia should not have an article on it. Lara❤Love 18:57, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Not notable yet. They will probably be notable soon, however. --Shark face 217 23:47, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.