Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/George Chiang

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The result was delete. So Why 10:44, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

George Chiang

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WP:BLP of an actor and writer, not referenced to any reliable source coverage about him for the purposes of clearing a Wikipedia notability criterion. Pretty much right across the board, the references here are to IMDb and other primary sources that cannot support notability at all -- and literally the only reliable source in the entire article is a short piece in the community weekly pennysaver of a small town, which would be fine for some verification of facts if all of the other sources were solid but is not in and of itself a GNG pass as an article's only reliable source. The extent to which a literary or theatre award counts as a notability claim, for example, is entirely coterminous with the extent to which the media write about that award as news -- a minor award such as the "Global Ebook Awards" does not count as a notability claim if you have to depend on the award's own self-published website about itself as the source because media coverage of that award is entirely non-existent.
Basically, none of the sourcing is cutting it at all, and nothing stated in the article is "inherently" notable enough to exempt the sourcing from having to cut it. In addition, there's a likely conflict of interest here, as the creator has never made a single edit to Wikipedia that wasn't directly related to Chiang in some way — apart from these three articles, the only others the editor has ever touched at all were actresses who've worked with Chiang.
I'm also bundling his two works which have separate articles here as well, as neither of them cites any better sourcing to properly support their notability than his main BLP does. Bearcat (talk) 22:23, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Discuss 03:34, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for raising your concerns about George Chiang's Wikipedia page. We appreciate your input and want to address the points you've brought up.

We understand the importance of reliable sources in establishing notability. We have taken this into consideration and have included articles from reputable publications like the Toronto Star, National Post, and Toronto Sun. These articles highlight George Chiang's achievements and showcase his impact in the entertainment industry. Lily Lu22 (talk) 15:53, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.thestar.com/local-stouffville/life/2023/02/20/stouffville-composer-wins-accolades-for-golden-lotus-film.html, https://torontosun.com/pmn/press-releases-pmn/business-wire-news-releases-pmn/canadian-artist-george-chiang-wins-the-filmmaker-of-the-year-award-for-golden-lotus, https://nationalpost.com/pmn/press-releases-pmn/business-wire-news-releases-pmn/golden-lotus-leads-the-pack-with-4-award-wins-at-the-barcelona-international-film-festival Lily Lu22 (talk) 15:55, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Note that a total of three articles are nominated for deletion herein.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:46, 27 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Your basic vanity bio. Nothing to add to the detailed nom. --Calton | Talk 15:54, 27 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment There is a rabble.ca article on the author and the book: [1] which I think meets WP:RS, not sure if that's enough. The musical has quite a few Chinese-language sources, all from Sep. 2014 Hong Kong, and the actors also went on a Now TV (Hong Kong) talk show to promote it: [2]. Timmyshin (talk) 19:09, 1 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, Rabble doesn't count as a reliable source for our purposes — it's an activist group blog, not a conventional media publication. I read it a lot myself, but that's quite separate from its usability as a reference for Wikipedia content. And we can't source to YouTube clips, either — a play gets over Wikipedia by being the subject of media coverage written by other people, not by uploading YouTube clips of its own cast talking about it on talk shows. Bearcat (talk) 19:25, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

would like to know if the new articles you provided are sufficient to establish George Chiang's notability. If there are any other specific information or sources that you believe would be beneficial, please let us know. Your input is highly valuable in ensuring the accuracy and completeness of the article. The Toronto Star: https://www.thestar.com/local-stouffville/life/2023/02/20/stouffville-composer-wins-accolades-for-golden-lotus-film.html, Toronto Sun: https://torontosun.com/pmn/press-releases-pmn/business-wire-news-releases-pmn/canadian-artist-george-chiang-wins-the-filmmaker-of-the-year-award-for-golden-lotus, National Post: https://nationalpost.com/pmn/press-releases-pmn/business-wire-news-releases-pmn/golden-lotus-leads-the-pack-with-4-award-wins-at-the-barcelona-international-film-festival Also, an article from the local media: the Stouffville Bullet Point New:https://stouffville.bulletpointnews.ca/local-news/george-chiang/ Lily Lu22 (talk) 16:07, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Hong Kong-related deletion discussions. Timmyshin (talk) 19:11, 1 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for notifying us. We couldn't find any relevant discussions related to George Chiang or Golden Lotus. Could you please provide more information or clarification? Lily Lu22 (talk) 16:16, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. Timmyshin (talk) 19:17, 1 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Same as above, couldn't find any relevant discussions related to George Chiang or Golden Lotus. Could you please provide more information or clarification? Lily Lu22 (talk) 16:17, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Theatre-related deletion discussions. Timmyshin (talk) 19:17, 1 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Same as above, couldn't find any relevant discussions related to George Chiang or Golden Lotus. Could you please provide more information or clarification? Thanks Lily Lu22 (talk) 16:17, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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