Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dog bakery

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 04:08, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dog bakery

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The article seems to outline a broad business design, but I just don't see any sources that back up what a dog bakery is. PerpetuityGrat (talk) 01:00, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. PerpetuityGrat (talk) 01:00, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This is a difficult one, but I'm inclined towards a weak keep. We have articles on all common trades, largely because they're "obviously" common trades, and deemed notable merely by the fact you can find them in every high-street (analogous to how we permit articles on certain exceptional people and geographical features/places because of their public nature, rather than specifically because anyone's written about them). Frankly our existing articles on professions often have weak referencing. Roofers have 8 references, but three are for falling off roofs (which is hardly a core part of the job) and three are for materials used in roofing, not the job. But we're right to have an article on it, because everyone's got a roof on their house, it's part of everyday life, and people expect to be able to find such things in an encyclopaedia. Same with Haberdashers, whose references are dictionary definitions and a lot of stuff about their patron saint; Dressmaker has only two references in total, and even Hairdresser has few references, more on hair than on the cutter. I appreciate that "other stuff exists" is a phenomenally pointless argument, but I'm using these professions as an indication of the standard of referencing that we expect. The problem with professions is that they don't attract much secondary writing, while generating a huge amount of primary stuff that we can't use. My feeling is that the referencing in dog-bakery, taking in consideration how short a time they've existed, compared to plumbers and hairdressers, is within the bracket of what we'd expect. A brief Google search reveals that the public now expect dog-bakeries, and there is a plethora of businesses with "dogbakery" in their name. If this has become a standard profession and business, then we ought to have a place for it. But I do sympathise with the nominator that the sourcing isn't great, and it's not likely to improve dramatically in the next few months. Elemimele (talk) 12:20, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 12:40, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 12:41, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I managed to find quite a few sources attesting the existence of dog bakeries. I also checked, partially though the magic of Google translate, in Hebrew, Arabic, Russian and Serbocroatian, and it appears that this profession has spread throughout the world. As Elemimele wrote, we are unlikely to find descriptive or theoretical sources about a profession like baking for dogs. But it is nevertheless attested in many sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ido66667 (talk • contribs) 16:10, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep It's a popular and well known business model, and through some preliminary research, is used throughout the world. I think it's definitely notable to keep a article. As Elemimele said, we don't have a lot of sources now, and if we do, they aren't secondary sources. But with the continuing rise and popularity of dog bakeries, I think it would be a waste to delete the article, and in the meantime we can rely on majority primary sources to hold up the significant coverage section of WP:GNG. Lectrician2 (talk) 20:18, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Significant coverage
  1. Hochberg, Ilene (2008). Posh Pups: Dogs Who Live Better Than You Do. New York: Sterling Publishing. pp. 88–89. ISBN 978-1-4027-5079-3. Retrieved 2021-12-31.
    The book notes: "A birthday cake is usually ordered from a dog bakery, because these businesses understand dog nutrition and know what ingredients may be harmful to pets. If you think that dog bakeries are a marginal notion, think again. At last count, there were more than 800 dog bakeries located in the United States, so it is likely that there is one close to you. Google alone shows fifty pages of dog-bakery entries in America and abroad. The concept of the dog bakery began in 1989 in Kansas City, Missouri."
  2. Devantier, Alecia T.; Turkington, Carol A. (2006). Extraordinary Jobs in the Food Industry. New York: Ferguson Publishing. p. 40. ISBN 0-8160-5856-3. Retrieved 2021-12-31.
    The book notes: "More and more pooch lovers have decided to take advantage of this concern by starting their own dog bakeries, offering healthy treats to lucky canines. They point out that commercial dog biscuits are filled with additives and chemicals, and that home-baked goodies sidestep all that unnecessary stuff. What's more, dogs seem to love them. Dog biscuit chefs typically start their companies right in their own homes, using ingredients from the corner grocery store to whip up dog treats on their own stoves. This translates into lower production costs and a healthier bottom line. Once the goodies are baked, the biscuit chef packages them in a variety of attractive ways (anything from Brown Paper Bag Basic to fancy shrink-wrapped biscuit-filled tins, dog bowls, or baskets)."
  3. Svete, Margaret (2001). 116 Ways to Spoil Your Dog. New York: Hyperion. pp. 13, 16, 246. ISBN 978-0-7868-8642-5. Retrieved 2021-12-31.
    The book notes: "Howlin ' Times at the Dog Bakery: Did you know that many dog bakeries offer more than just treats? Many bakeries have fun-filled activities for you and your dog. Most bakeries love to host canine birthday parties, weddings, and other celebrations. Many bakeries arrange for visits from Santa Paws and the Easter Bunny. I even encountered a bakery that hosts a Yappy Hour complete with biscuits and water for the dogs and wine and cheese for the dog owners. Some even host singles' nights for dogs and owners looking for 'puppy love'.""
  4. von Perfall, Manuela [de] (2007). Luxury for Dogs. Kempen: teNeues. p. 148. ISBN 978-3-8327-9174-2. Retrieved 2021-12-31. {{cite book}}: Check |author= value (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link) CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link)
    The book notes: "More and more dog bakeries are offering rewards for a job well done and for labors of love among the like-minded. The "Three Dog Bakery" has now spread its chain of stores over the whole of the USA, Japan and South Korea. Or you might visit 'Snobbish Babies' in Tokyo to "see and be seen" while your pet enjoys dog-tempting delicacies. A dog in a restaurant is de facto no longer taboo. Doggy dining has recently been officially allowed in Orlando, Florida, and in Germany, the first dog restaurant, 'Frizzis,' exclusively serves four-footed gourmands."
  5. Scattergood, Amy (2017-08-27). "Four great dog bakeries in and around L.A." Los Angeles Times. Archived from the original on 2021-12-31. Retrieved 2021-12-31.
    The article notes: "Some pet shops have taken this even further, opening dog bakeries inside their stores, with elaborate pastry cases, even dedicated pastry chefs. ... These baked goods are specifically calibrated for your pet, it should be said, with carob instead of chocolate, little or no sugar, salt or artificial coloring, and ingredients that dogs tend to love and that are suited to their nutritional needs (lots of peanut butter and yogurt). And they’re human-grade quality, so that if your kid happens to share your pet’s hamburger-shaped pastry or Dodger-decorated cookie, there’s no problem."
  6. "More Dogs Living in High Style". News for You. Vol. 53, no. 36. New Readers Press. 2005-09-07. ISSN 0884-3910. EBSCOhost 18180815.
    The abstract notes: "Reports on the popularity of dog grooming salons and boutiques in the U.S. citing American spending on their pets. Use of accessories, jeweled collars and leashes for their dogs; Dog bakeries and pet boutiques; Painting shops specializing in dog paintings."
  7. Lofland, Glennis (2012-07-09). "Posh Nosh". Virginia Living. Vol. 10, no. 4. p. 25. EBSCOhost 76352871. Archived from the original on 2021-12-31. Retrieved 2021-12-31.
    The article notes: "Gourmet dog bakeries are turning out homemade snacks that even the most discerning doggie diner won't be able to refuse!" The article lists Working Dog Bakery in Suffolk, Barkley Square Bakery in Alexandria, Marley’s Barkery in Richmond, Three Dog Bakery in Richmond, and Dogma Bakery in Arlington.
2. Less significant coverage
  1. Hennes, Rebecca (2018-10-02). "The most extra dog shops and bakeries in Houston to spoil your dog at". Houston Chronicle. Archived from the original on 2021-12-31. Retrieved 2021-12-31.
    The article notes: "Stores like Three Dog Bakery, which opened in Rice Village this fall, offers dogs plenty of treats with its in-house 'bone bar' and 'chew wall.' Woof Gang Bakery and Grooming is another Houston area store offering a wide selection of doggie cakes perfect for your four-legged friend's birthday."
  2. Griggs, Kristy (2013-04-15). "When nothing is too fancy for Fido". CNN. Archived from the original on 2021-12-31. Retrieved 2021-12-31.
    The article notes: "There are hundreds of dog bakeries around the country selling cakes, cookies and other specialty goods for man’s best friend."
  3. Wright, Sue Owens (2007). 150 Activities For Bored Dogs: Surefire Ways to Keep Your Dog Active and Happy. Avon, Massachusetts: Adams Media. ISBN 978-1-59337-688-8. Retrieved 2021-12-31.
    The book notes: "With so many dog bakeries around these days, you can order a wide variety of treats the dogs will enjoy, such as barkday cakes and pupcakes. Or you can make your own goodies, if you prefer."
  4. Adamson, Eve (2007). Shih Tzu For Dummies. Hoboken, New Jersey: Wiley. p. 74. ISBN 978-0-470-08945-3. Retrieved 2021-12-31.
    The book notes: "Even more fun are dog bakeries that are popping up all over the country and offering healthy and even gorgeous pet treats for pets who only snack on the very best. Some of my favorite places include: [list]." The book lists Three Dog Bakery; Good Dog Express; Canine Confections, Inc.; and Central Bark Bakery.
  5. Thornton, Kim Campbell (2004). The Everything Labrador Retriever Book: A Complete Guide to Raising, Training, and Caring for Your Lab. Avon, Massachusetts: F+W Publications. ISBN 978-1-59337-048-0. Retrieved 2021-12-31.
    The book notes, "Numerous dog bakeries offer cookies and cakes made just for dogs, with none of the sugar or chocolate that would be harmful to them."
  6. Adamson, Eve (2008). Dachshunds For Dummies. Hoboken, New Jersey: Wiley. p. 100. ISBN 978-0-470-22968-2. Retrieved 2021-12-31.
    The book notes: "Fancy gourmet dog treats from dedicated dog bakeries are now widely available. If you live in a big city, you may live near a dog bakery. Here in Iowa, we have three different dog treat bakers at the local farmer's market!"
  7. Goodspeed, Diane (2006). Happy Tails Across New Jersey: Things to See and Do with Your Dog. New Brunswick, New Jersey: Rutgers University Press. ISBN 978-0-8135-3848-8. Retrieved 2021-12-31.
    The book notes: "The book also functions as a convenient handbook for shops, covering everything from high-end pet stores and large chains to independently run dog bakeries."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow dog bakery to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 11:18, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've copied those sources and the comments to the article talk to make sure they don't get buried in the AfD after it ends. —valereee (talk) 14:57, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I've rewritten to add many of the sources listed by Cunard. —valereee (talk) 13:35, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Unbearable lightness of trivia (closer may wish to discount this non-policy argument). Xxanthippe (talk) 22:07, 2 January 2022 (UTC).[reply]

What is this even supposed to mean?★Trekker (talk) 14:21, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Interpretation is left to the reader. On a more serious level (is anything else allowed?) Wikpedia is not supposed to be used as a link farm or a trade directory for commercial interests. Xxanthippe (talk) 22:28, 3 January 2022 (UTC).[reply]

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