Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arianit Shaqiri

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The result was delete‎. Participants determined that the coverage in the sources presented do not amount to significant coverage to satisfy notability guidelines. ✗plicit 02:24, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Arianit Shaqiri

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Arianit Shaqiri doesn't pass WP:GNG, only notable for being the brother of Xherdan Shaqiri as noted in the lead. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 12:03, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@ItsKesha: The subject of this article has been independently covered by reliable sources, so why does it not pass WP:GNG? --Λeternus ^(talk) 19:34, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Football, Kosovo, and Switzerland. Shellwood (talk) 13:59, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Clear case of WP:INVALIDBIO Dazzling4 (talk) 15:51, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Dazzling4: Well, if the person A has sources which cover them independently, then their relation to person B is irrelevant, isn't it? --Λeternus ^(talk) 19:32, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There isn't anything in his page at the moment that satisfies notability requirements, so I'm assuming his inclusion was likely due to his brother. Dazzling4 (talk) 00:58, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:09, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 12:50, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- @GiantSnowman: What about sources present in the article? --Λeternus ^(talk) 19:28, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  Which ones? Giant Snowman 21:54, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  [1] by Telebasel (seems not to work at the moment); [2] by RTV21; [3] by Blick; [4] by Annabelle (magazine); [5] by Blick; [6] by Abendzeitung; [7] by Albinfo; additionally [8] also by Blick. Some of these sources deal primarily with his brother, although they also cover Arianit Shaqiri in great length. --Λeternus ^(talk) 22:27, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  1 doesn't work, 2 is "The special feature of this academy is that this football school was opened by the brother of the famous footballer Xherdan Shaqiri", 3 is "Xherdan Shaqiri has opened a football school. "I don't want the kids to be lounging around on the couch all day."", 4 is "Xherdan Shaqiri: a meeting with Switzerland's best footballer", 5 is an article written by Arianit about Xherdan, 6 is an article about Xherdan, 7 is an article about 5, 8 is an interview with Arianit talking about Xherdan. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 22:25, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  As I mentioned previously, some of these sources deal primarily with his more notable brother, but they cover Arianit significantly as well. According to WP:GNG, "Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material." Source 2 is about the academy opened by Arianit (which yeah, we know happens to have a more famous brother); 3 covers Arianit in more detail (in German): "Arianit Shaqiri (28), Xherdan's big brother, only makes it to FC Basel's U18 team. He has to choose between trying to become a professional and becoming an apprentice car mechanic. He chooses the apprenticeship and completes it...And yet he never wanted to give up football. His wish is to work with children. His brother's football career helps him. Xherdan Shaqiri (25) says: 'I always thought it was a good idea. Ari was always informed about supporting young talent, and I was happy to help him fulfill his dream.'"; 4 deals with all Shaqiri brothers and covers Arianit specifically (in German): "Arianit came to the U18 team at FC Pratteln...Arianit became a car mechanic...At 23 years old, Arianit is the oldest and quietest of the three. He was in the military for most of last year. As a fusilier. Cannon fodder, as they say." 5 was not written by Arianit, but by Max Kern, and deals almost entirely with Arianit; 6 also covers Arianit in some detail (in German): "Arianit, the eldest, lives with the 21-year-old in Grünwald, not far from the Ribérys' house...When things got serious, Arianit went to the U18 of FC Pratteln...Arianit tore the cruciate ligament...Arianit became a car mechanic..." 8 deals with Arianit himself as well (in German): "Arianit Shaqiri (28), Xherdan's big brother, only makes it to FC Basel's U18 team. He has to choose between trying to become a professional and becoming an apprentice car mechanic. He chooses the apprenticeship and completes it. And yet he never wanted to give up football. His wish is to work with children...The training is led by brother Arianit and Stefan Kohler (ex GC, Winterthur and U21 national player)." --Λeternus ^(talk) 20:22, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - The subject of this article has been independently covered by reliable sources. It is irrelevant if he is related to someone who is more notable than him. --Λeternus ^(talk) 19:55, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:20, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep coverage is significant, passes GNG.--Ortizesp (talk) 22:27, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - none of the coverage mentioned can be deemed as WP:SIGCOV. As some other users noted correctly, they all cover his brother, both directly and indirectly, and, to make it clear: WP:INHERIT is not an argument for deletion discussions, and this one is an example. Angelo (talk) 23:32, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Doczilla _{@SUPERHEROLOGIST} 09:10, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete due to lack of sources that actually cover Arianit specifically, and not his brother. Right now, even half the biography in this article is about Xherdan. Unless significant independent coverage of Arianit can be demonstrated, what little information there is can be at most be rolled into Xherdan's article. Cortador (talk) 11:16, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I have done some searches online and found less that don't even satisfy WP:SIGCOV.--Tumbuka Arch (talk) 11:58, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: BLP, fails GNG and NBIO. Nothing above, BEFORE, or in article meets WP:IS WP:RS with WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. BLPs require strong sourcing, WP:N is not inherited. // Timothy :: talk 05:10, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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