User talk:Ykraps/Archive 3

Thanks

Hello Ykraps. Thanks for your recent message of support on my talkpage. As you may have noticed, I only retired for about a week. I had intended to retire for good, but found I couldn't keep away from the place.... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:53, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Welcome back, I'm glad you decided against retirement and hope you continue to contribute to Dorset related articles. If you find yourself being drawn into an argument, try waiting 24 hours before replying. It works for me and I invariably end up being thankful I didn't publish my thoughts immediately. Best wishes,--Ykraps (talk) 22:10, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. That's good advice, though sometimes it's easier said than done! I find that editing Dorset-related articles - especially the villages and landscape features - can be quite therapeutic, probably because currently it's the closest I can get to being there in person.... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 11:04, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Antique map

Hi Ykraps. Really appreciate the good work you're doing on Bournemouth (although I hail from the wrong side of the tracks myself).

I just remembered the lovely old map used at Hengistbury Head, and thought you might want to use it for the 'History of Bournemouth' section. Online there's a high resolution scan of 'Taylor's 1759 map of Hampshire', the earliest decent map of the area. I've linked to the appropriate section here. It's rather fascinating; you can make out roads still in use, but I've never heard most of the names written along Poole Bay. It seems to be okay to get screenshots of the map, so it might be worth grabbing some more images for use in other Darset locations (if that's okay with Cloudy). -- Hillbillyholiday ^talk 22:57, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi Hillybillyholiday. Thanks for the heads up on the map. Did you use a photoshop editor to crop the section you wanted before uploading it? It is indeed an interesting insight into the area in the 18th century. As you say, most of the roads are recognisable as are the names of the places inland but I've not heard of many of the places along the coast either. Misery Hill sounds interesting as does Joan's Hole. Any ideas who might have lived at Bourn House?--Ykraps (talk) 07:22, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I'd imagine Joan's Hole hasn't been used in a very long time. Regarding the image at Hengistbury, as far as I can recall I just used a 'snipping tool' to take a screenshot. I might have cropped it in MSPaint, I can't remember.

I've got a book on smuggling in the area which may cast some light on the history of Bourn House, but unfortunately its lent out to someone at the moment. Earlier maps aren't much help.. (Though this 1611 one does mention a 'houʃe' in the area.) Hmm, this might require a trip to the library! -- Hillbillyholiday ^talk 07:50, 4 September 2013

Mmmm, going to the library might be better. Searching Joan's Hole on the web brings up some surprising results! Allum House and Copperas House might be remnants of Blount's business venture in the 16th century, mining alum and producing calcanthum and copperas at Brownsea Island, Parkstone, Alum Chine and Boscombe. Bourn Hous might be the hunting lodge at Decoy Pond?--Ykraps (talk) 21:46, 4 September 2013 (UTC) Actually, come to think of it, I think that was simply called Decoy Pond House.

I'm a bit of a map fiend, so agree it would be nice to have images of antique maps in other Dorset articles. On this particular map, some of the spellings are interesting - 'Ferwood', 'Pool', 'Boscomb', and especially the phonetic 'Muddyford'. I wonder why it morphed into 'Mudeford'? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 10:34, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Unlike most historic spellings, which differ purely because there was no correct spelling, Muddy Ford was deliberately changed to make it sound more appealing. This was around the time of George III visit, when the area was trying to promote itself as a place to indulge in the new fad of sea bathing.

I am quite happy to have antique maps in Dorset article where they are appropriate and where there is sufficient space. This map [1] is for Hampshire however so is there an equivalent for Dorset somewhere?--Ykraps (talk) 15:55, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Talking of maps, for nearly three hours the Scale article only said this. -- Hillbillyholiday ^talk 02:05, 6 September 2013 (UTC) They could've at least redirected the page to Ku Klux Klan or something.

Or a redirect here, if they really wanted us to learn about them.--Ykraps (talk) 07:23, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Bournemouth

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Your GA nomination of Bournemouth

The article Bournemouth you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Bournemouth for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Ritchie333 -- Ritchie333 (talk) 11:30, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Just a head's up, I was looking for a source for the history of the RNLI in Bournemouth and stumbled across this which copies large parts of the article verbatim, and my heart sank. I think Hearnes is copying us though, as our article's content was put in incrementally, for example "A skull thought to be 5,500 years old was found at Longham in 1932" I think was added by you in about September 2012. There isn't the telltale sign of an IP or new user doing a large edit anywhere around that time, which is how copyvios usually creep in. I'll flag this up as AFAIK anyone reusing Wikipedia content needs to say so with the correct CC-BY-SA licence on the page. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:33, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

This is certainly a copy of the Wikipedia article. Most of the article was rewritten by me so I know this for a fact. It is not unusual for websites to copy local information from Wikipedia, in fact it is all too common. They are supposed to credit Wikipedia but few of them do and some even claim they own the copyright. Check out these photos [[2]] [[3]] [[4]] then see the corresponding files (File:Red House Museum Christchurch Dorset.JPG File:Christchurch Castle - Constable's House.JPG and File:Christchurch Castle Keep and Motte.JPG) at Wikimedia Commons.--Ykraps (talk) 15:01, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

See also template

A see also template is sometimes used at the top of article sections to direct the reader to a related topic.{{see also|related topic}} Is it possible to have this template redirect to a particular section in an article but so it appears as the section name only? For example, I want people to be redirected to

See also: History of_Bournemouth § History of transport in Bournemouth

but I want the template to read simply,

See also: History of transport in Bournemouth

. I could simply type: ''see also:[[History of_Bournemouth#History of transport in Bournemouth|History of transport in Bournemouth]]'' to produce the desired effect but the article is currently at GAN and I may take to FAC later, so if there is a proper way, I'd rather use it.--Ykraps (talk) 08:57, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

At Template:See also#Examples there's an example using a "label 1" parameter, so you could try

{{See also|History of_Bournemouth#History of transport in Bournemouth|label 1=History of transport in Bournemouth}}

which displays as

See also: History of transport in Bournemouth

-- John of Reading (talk) 11:26, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Many thanks. I'm sure that will be acceptable.--Ykraps (talk) 11:39, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

The Quarter Million Award

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		For your contributions to bring Bournemouth (estimated annual readership: 362,000) to Good Article status, I hereby present you the Quarter Million Award. Congratulations on this accomplishment, and thanks for all you do for Wikipedia's readers. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 18:57, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

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This editor won the Quarter Million Award for bringing Bournemouth to Good Article status.

Well done! Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:57, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

I know I've already thanked you twice but I don't want people reading my user page to think I'm rude so thanks again!--Ykraps (talk) 07:40, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Bournemouth

The article Bournemouth you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Bournemouth for comments about the article. Well done! Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Ritchie333 -- Ritchie333 (talk) 20:20, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

And again!--Ykraps (talk) 07:41, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

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Trafalgar

Thanks for taking the time to address my points in the Battle of Trafalgar article - much appreciated.
However, I was somewhat perplexed by this reply, which I have reproduced following my original query, below:

"A broadside from the 1850s recounts the story" is how one image is captioned. Is 'broadside' in this sense the right word, particularly as I understand it (so does my dictionary), to mean something like the discharge of all guns on one side of a ship.

You answered thus:
"There were different types of broadside. A rolling broadside would be performed if raking vessel whereby each gun would fire as it passed the stern of the ship."

Sorry, but I don't understand - my original query was not about gunfire, but about the publication, which Pinkbeast seems to have answered.

As you might have realized, the period of Nelson's navy is not really my field. Regards, RASAM (talk) 16:48, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Ah, sorry, it is me that didn't understand. I neither read your query properly, nor could I see the caption you were talking about. All I saw were two images in the 'Battle' section and some accompanying text describing 'a raking broadside', and assumed you were talking about that. In any event, not having heard the term used in that sense before either, I wouldn't have been able to help anyway.--Ykraps (talk) 06:47, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Carel Frères, Ghent

Hello, would you change the name of this article? I modified the text. See talk page. Thundercloud (talk) 15:03, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

• already taken care of. Thundercloud (talk) 16:12, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

  I see you and user:ClemRutter have sorted this out. Nice to see you're still around, by the way.--Ykraps (talk) 23:45, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

R.E. Dorset

Hi there,

Thank you very much for taking the time to explain your revert. I very much understand the reason for the tied island revert – as a geographer and a long-time Portland resident I'm well aware of the unique circumstances of Chesil beach being an atypical barrier beach which happens to form a tombolo, and so reverting the link from 'tied island' is understandable. If I get time I might do some investigating (I know Soton Uni has some good stuff on this) to see if more info clarifying the situation can be found to make the tombolo/Portland/Chesil articles more detailed.

The reason I was being bold and edited the rainfall figure was because the 741 mm figure is a 1971–2000 average, and the new figures for 1981–2010 are out, which meant that the sentence about rainfall being as low as 741 mm is outdated – it is now as low as 730 mm in Weymouth (actually Portland is as low as 668 mm...). This obviously disagrees with the reference at the end of the sentence. I will get the references sorted and fix this so that the new 1981–2010 figures are referred to throughout – if you wouldn't mind briefly checking them when I've done it, that would be very kind.

All my best, Rossoh (talk) 13:31, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Of course, I am quite happy to help where I can but I'm not we fully understand each other. I realise that the 1981-2010 figures are out and indeed they have been used in the Weymouth climatic averages table, but the sentence you are talking about refers to average precipitation "..across the county—southern and eastern coastal areas" (an average of all weather stations across the region, not just Weymouth). The precipitation maps are kept here [5] and although the monthly ones have been updated, no annual average map has been produced yet. You will note that this page [6] although updated in June 2012, is still using the figures from the 1971-2001 map. Of course you could alter the sentence to say something like "Average, annual precipitation in Weymouth is 730.3mm" but that is just repeating the information in the table and personally I don't see the point in that.

If you are interested in geography, you might want to consider joining Wikipedia:WikiProject UK geography there are lots of knowledgeable people there who may be able to help with the tied island debate.

Also most editors prefer to keep the same conversation in the same place, so a thread started on your talk page for example would be continued there (see Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines and Wikipedia:Don't lose the thread). If you have your preferences set correctly the page you edited should be automatically added to your watchlist so you won't miss anything. There are no hard and fast rules however so whatever suits you. Regards--Ykraps (talk) 13:35, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the info about talk pages – I'm still not sure whether you would be notified if I reply on my own talk page, hence the reply here (sorry if that's not the idea!).

I see the point about the sentence being about averages across the county – I took "as low as" to mean the minimum annual rainfall of places in the southern and Eastern coastal areas, and hence why using Weymouth's 730.3 mm total made sense to me. Perhaps the sentence could be reworded to make it clear that it's talking about areas of the county in general. Out of interest, the search function on the Met Office site isn't the best, as it doesn't search pages which include data from forms, such as this page: UK Mapped Averages. As you can see, that page holds the monthly, seasonal and annual maps for all variables, including the new 1981–2010 averages. This map from there shows parts of the Dorset coast falling into the 700–800 mm band (which would accord with the data from their weather station in Weymouth). Using that map, which is the updated version of the one currently cited (ref 107), the sentence could perhaps read something like this:

"Average annual rainfall varies across the county—southern and eastern coastal areas receive 700–800 millimetres (27.6 to 31.5 in) per year; the Dorset Downs receive between 1,000 and 1,250 millimetres (39.4 to 49.2 in) per year; less than Devon and Cornwall to the west but more than counties to the east.[new map ref]"

What do you think? Again, thank you for being so helpful and patient :) Rossoh (talk) 16:45, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Yep, that sounds okay. If you have any problems with the references etc. let me know, although the Dorset page is on my watchlist. Now most of the conversation is here, it would be sensible to keep it here but as I've already said, there aren't any rules as such. Your page is on my watchlist now so everytime it is edited I will be notified. If you click on the watchlist tab at the top of your page, you should be able to see that I have left a reply here for you. You could also use a Talkback template. Although they are frowned upon by many members of the community, I think they are useful for less experienced editors.--Ykraps (talk) 09:02, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

French ship La Bienvenue (1788) / HMS Undaunted (1794)

I recently moved an article (HMS Undaunted (1794)) from my user space to the mainspace, changing the article's name to "French ship La Bienvenue (1788)". I have tried to italicise the name (as per MOS) using four apostrophes, but this has not worked. This has also caused problems with the redirect I created for "HMS Undaunted (1794). Could you tell me what I've done wrong? I've created and moved similar pages before and I don't recall having any problems.--Ykraps (talk) 10:22, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

I've moved the page to French ship La Bienvenue (1788) and used Template:DISPLAYTITLE to make the title display partly in italics. Page titles are in plain text so wiki markup won't work. Hope that helps :) Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 12:03, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Many thanks.--Ykraps (talk) 23:28, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

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The Young & Moody Band

Hello, I see you added the information in about their second single - where did you get the information from?--Launchballer 08:25, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello Launchballer. Gosh! That was the first ever edit I made to Wikipedia. I remember the Levis' jeans commercial which may have preceded the Young and Moody record, I'm not sure, it was a long time ago, but was either late 70s or early 80's. The bloke I was sharing a flat with at the time bought a compilation album from the local second hand record store called, "A Quiet Night In" which contained the Young and Moody track, "These Eyes". We both instantly recognised it as the Levis' advertisement only it was clearly not the same person singing. I found out it was Graham Bonnet in the commercial after hearing a radio interview with him. Unfortunately, I don't qualify as a reliable source so if you've come here looking to add citations to the article, I don't think I can help. Sorry--Ykraps (talk) 10:24, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Is it this?--Launchballer 10:28, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes that's the one. Always loved the cover photo. I see the song is credited to Young and Moody. Is that your next query?--Ykraps (talk) 23:01, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Nope. All I wanted to know was, was I citing the right album. If they are misattributed on the album, that probably deserves a mention.--Launchballer 23:07, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure. Reading this [[7]], it sounds like the advertising jingle came before the Young and Moody single. I thought Ed Hamilton wrote it and Graham Bonnet got the gig because of the Night Games connection but I could be wrong. I can't remember where I got that information from. Wasn't Ed in Young and Moody?--Ykraps (talk) 23:48, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

This seems to think so [[8]].--Ykraps (talk) 10:00, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Isn't this Ed Hamilton singing? [[9]] With The Nolans (backing vocals), Bob Young? (harmonica), Mick Moody? (guitar), Lemmy Kilminster {bass) and Cozy Powell (drums).--Ykraps (talk) 10:10, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for French frigate La Reunion (1786)

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Illegal cheese

I'm unfamiliar with Dorset Blue Vinney. However specific cheeses have often been illegal.

During WWII, Double Gloucester was banned. Its manufacture, and the whole "double" process, was considered as more wasteful of scarce milk than other cheeses. Many cheeses were either specifically banned, or simply fell out of manufacture at this period, which led to the postwar "national cheddar" and the near monoculture of cheese production in the UK right through the 1970s. Fortunately we're not as bad as the USA, which is still in much the same position today.

Thanks to Edwina Currie, non-pasteurised cheeses acquired a dubious status and a number of local bans were enacted.

Roquefortine C is a potent neurotoxin produced by the Penicillium roquefortii blue moulds used in much cheesemaking, including Blue Vinney. Roquefortine C is nasty, but no-one can yet agree on the hazard from cheese (detectability is not toxicity!). Expect this to be the Daily Fail's next cheese-related scare story. Obviously the French have already decided that nothing is going to keep them from their cheeses.

Some cheeses are ripened or flavoured by the action of cheese mites. Mimolette is a popular and pleasant French cheese, with a stony crust that doesn't bear thinking about too much. It has various bans worldwide, prominently the US where it's available 'under the counter'. Milbenkäse is a German cheese with a similar issue and has run foul of EU rules. The French seem to be shrugging off this rule, the Germans have invented another rule to counter it. It is legal in the EU to sell live animals to be eaten in that way, including cheese mites. Casu marzu is a Sardinian cheese that is widely agreed to be toxic to anyone not born in a local village, or an Icelander trained up on fermented shark. I have smelled it from a distance and that's quite enough. As casu marzu isn't considered ripe until even the maggots have died off (if they're still live, they leap up and go for your eyeballs!), it fails another EU rule that prohibits the inclusion of dead animals in a foodstuff (I'm a vegetarian, don't ask me to explain how eating meat is still seemingly OK).

So I don't know about Blue Vinney and as it was long uncited you're right to remove it. However I wouldn't be surprised if Blue Vinney has been illegal at times. Andy Dingley (talk) 11:34, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Well you live and learn. Thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge. Of course it makes absolute sense that labour intensive food manufacturing processes would be banned during the war, when food was in such short supply. I did wonder whether DBV's supposed illegality might have had something to do with it being unpasteurised but a cursory internet search only revealed that it was illegal to use the name. Anyway, thanks once again for your interest.--Ykraps (talk) 21:35, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)The third paragraph from the bottom of this article (i.e. underneath the pic of the "Real-life Tesses") suggests that, if not explicitly illegal, there were definitely prohibitions against the production of Blue Vinney which led to the product being "smuggled" and distributed in secret. (You have to read the whole article to understand why). (Apologies for jumping in, Ykraps - hope you don't mind!) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 11:56, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Still referencing the Milk Marketing Board, a modern Blue Vinney producer gives a slightly different perspective in this article (see the third paragraph from the top). PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 12:11, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Now I'm a bit cross with myself because I have already read that article and indeed used it to reference a paragraph I added two years ago. I must've forgotten the bit about the cheese smuggling! Still, thanks for bringing it back to my attention.--Ykraps (talk) 21:50, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

I think such self-contradictions are one of the hazards of editing Wikipedia - it was me who added the 'citation needed' tag to the smuggling paragraph, not having noticed that there was already that Dorset Life reference attached to the article, then today I thought I'd helped by finding a decent source - but it was already there! I make a fool of myself every day on this site. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:09, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Yep, Wikipedia is not so much an encyclopaedia as a catalogue of people's mistakes, faux pas, ill informed rants and embarrassing moments.--Ykraps (talk) 22:45, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for HMS Crescent (1784)

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Template trouble

What's the matter with this template {{convert||m|ft}}? It converts 50m to 160ft thus: 50 metres (160 ft) but 49m to the greater height of 161ft: 49 metres (161 ft) !--Ykraps (talk) 10:43, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

It has to do with rounding. When rounding is not specified, it'll convert 49 and round it to the nearest 1, but convert 50 and round it to the nearest 10, because it ends with a zero. You can add a rounding parameter like this:

{{convert|50|m|ft|0}} = 50 metres (164 ft)

{{convert|49|m|ft|0}} = 49 metres (161 ft)

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Thanks. I thought it must have something to do with rounding but thought if parameters weren't set, it rounded to the nearest 1, irrespective of the size of the number; so thanks for straightening that out.--Ykraps (talk) 19:57, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Friars Cliff

I see your working on St Catherines Hill, looks good. Anyway I'm inching towards doing Friars Cliff see User:Penbat/Friars Cliff. There isnt a lot to write although more sources would be helpful. Ive included Steamer Point tho probably it really ought to be included as part of Highcliffe. Do you have anything you can contribute to this ? Theres also Christchurch districts Fairmile, Hoburne, Jumpers Common, Knapp, Portfield, Winkton and Purewell that could be done. Just thinking that Steamer Point ought to be a separate article. Avon Beach is something that could also be done.--Penbat (talk) 08:59, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure about its boundaries. I would have thought that both Steamer Point and Avon Beach comes under Friars Cliff. I would say it was the coast side of Bure Lane though so it probably wouldn't include the industrial estate, all the new housing and The Runway (named after the runway, of course), Bure Homage Lodge etc which is a pity as there's plenty to write about there. You could probably expand what you have written about the radomes and even work in something about the wider work of SRDE. [[10]]. At one point the entrance to Christchurch Harbour would've been close to Steamer Point so that might be worth a mention (I'll try and find a year and a reference later). A cursory glance at the listed buildings in Christchurch page [[11]] doesn't throw anything up either but I will do a bit more digging later. --Ykraps (talk) 18:23, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Have you seen this source ? Tons of info here. https://www.dorsetforyou.com/403179

Also this newspaper article differentiates between Avon beach and Friars Cliff beach: http://news.dorsetforyou.com/2014/03/06/storm-damage-repairs-commence-at-christchurch-beaches/

--Penbat (talk) 15:13, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Interesting, I'd never heard of Friars Cliff beach before (I had always thought that Avon Beach became Highcliffe Beach just past Steamer Point). No, I hadn't seen those sources so thanks for drawing them to my attention. This [12] must be of some use for your article. The Bronze Age barrow and two Stone Age axes are definitely worth mentioning. Its a shame the map doesn't mark the boundaries. I think the area mapped out is just a "character area" they have made up as it seems to include Shelley Close which I would have put in Hoburne. I'll enjoy sifting through the rest later so thanks once again.--Ykraps (talk) 09:11, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

BTW and further to our previous exchange: Stannard, Michael (1999). The Makers of Christchurch: A Thousand Year story. Natula Publications. p. 224. ISBN 978-1-897887-22-6. only says that in 1890 Mudeford Spit stretched to Steamer Point (not that the entrance to the harbour was there).

awkwardly it sounds like Friars Cliff was an invented name intended just to identify the new residential estate, although the name has also been applied to the adjacent beach. Isnt Steamer Point rather like your St Catherines Hill, although it is in Christchurch it isnt actually in a recognised district of Christchurch, although it could possibly be considered to be in Fairmile.--Penbat (talk) 10:25, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Or Hurn? I don't think we need worry about Friars Cliff being "invented", after all, all the districts were invented at one time or another. It does seem that it only refers to the housing estate though. The source only mentions "Friars Cliff estate" but I don't see why you shouldn't mention the wider area. I wouldn't put Steamer Point in Highcliffe. Historically the name only referred Bute's estate and today the "Welcome to Highcliffe" sign is some way past Shelley Close, on the Lymington Road.--Ykraps (talk) 07:23, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

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DYK for Andrew Hay (British Army officer)

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Raymond Vernon and Industrial Revolution

What do you think Vernon said in his work on "Technological Development" [Vernon, Raymond (1989), "Technological Development: The Historical Experience" (PDF), An EDI Seminar Paper Number 39, Economic Development Institute of the World Bank, World Bank, p. 6, ISBN 0-8213-1162-X, retrieved 2014-07-06]?

Permit me to quote: "In its desire to deny the throne the arbitrary rights of monopoly and seizure that were typically exercised by the monarchs in France, Russia, Spain and other countries of the time, the British Parliament had earlier reduced one of the major risks that otherwise faced any incipient industrialist of that early era: the threat that the government would arbitrarily introduce levies on profit-earning properties. British innovators also benefited from the relative weakness of guilds in Great Britain. By holding the powers of the guilds within limits, the British government protected innovative industrialists from some of the stifling discipline that guilds elsewhere in Europe commonly imposed upon their members." (p. 1) "British factory owners took the lead over their continental rivals primarily by bringing steam power into the factory to drive power tools. Why this happened is not immediately apparent. ... For over two centuries, European countries had already been swelling with new ideas for industrial innovation. For example, in the early 17th century, 150 years before the Watt steam engine, Italian, French and German scientists were already experimenting extensively with steam as a source of pressure. ... A Russian steam engine, produced in 1766 a few years before Watt's version, was not heard from again; 12 and a team-powered horseless carriage produced in France in 1769 was officially suppressed." (pp. 5-6) Watt got a patent and official encouragement in raising venture capital and trying to commercialize it.

What am I missing? What was misstated in what I wrote? This report by Vernon seems to offer a key insight, and the current text of Industrial Revolution could benefit (I believe) from appropriately referencing this work.

Thanks, DavidMCEddy (talk) 00:19, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi David,

Vernon is saying that the British throne's lack of power to create monopolies and the weakness of its guilds (in comparison to other countries, such as France) allowed these ideas to flourish, unlike France and Russia where the government could arbitrarily introduce levies on profit-earning properties, thus stifling new ideas. This is the complete opposite of what you wrote. The British didn't suppress anything and would not have had the power to impose their will on 3 superpowers like Spain, France and Russia; even if they had wanted to.--Ykraps (talk) 05:15, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

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Please. I have done so many violations on it that I need help fixing my mistakes. People are kinda worried because I'm not suppose to create categories. Maybe you could speak on my behalf. I'm wondering if you what categories are suitable to create and not suitable to create. I'm not banned yet you see; I just can't create categories I do have some mental health issues. Please Venustar84 (talk) 14:01, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

I see you have a few people willing to mentor you so I'm going to decline and wish you luck as my time is limited and I don't have a lot of knowledge of categories, which seem to be a particular interest of yours. I am sure you will be successful and don't worry too much about the violations; you are on the right track now. Happy editing--Ykraps (talk) 23:56, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

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HMS Alceste (1806)

I have assessed your work as B class, however I feel it should be an easy GA, though I am not prepared to go through that assessment with you. I am impressed with the way the article turned out considering what it was before you started. Keep up the good work. Cheers... Cuprum17 (talk) 10:51, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, that is high praise indeed. I have a few commitments outside Wikipedia at the moment, so I don't feel I can get bogged down in a GA review just yet, but I will probably propose it soon, along with quite a few others I've been thinking about, perhaps most notably HMS Victory; which I did a not insignificant amount of work on almost a year ago now. Sometimes I need a bit of a push to get things going and perhaps your kind comments will provide that impetus. Regards--Ykraps (talk) 07:38, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Having given it further thought and expanding the lead, I have decided to nominate the article for GA as you suggest. Best --Ykraps (talk) 10:27, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Well, Happy Day! It is a fine looking article and you shouldn't have much problem getting the GA. I'll keep an eye on your progress. Cheers. Cuprum17 (talk) 14:09, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

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Help with inline citations

I need to cite pages 740 and 741 of the same journal, as one reference, for the article I'm currently working on. To put it simply I wish to say: See pages 740 - 741 of issue 15162 of the London Gazette, and then link to the two pages online. Unfortunately each page is archived as a separate PDF document see here [[13]] (page 740) and here [[14]] (page 741). Any suggestions? I could simply use a cite journal template and not link to the PDF documents but this wouldn't be consistent with the format of other references in the article.--Ykraps (talk) 20:02, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

This is one of the many defects of the citation templates: only one URL space. One way to go would be to make two references out of it, one with p. 740 and the other with p. 741. Another would be to fake the output of the citation template and link on the two page numbers like this: [URL 740]–[URL 41]. Yngvadottir (talk) 20:50, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Ah, well that's disappointing. Thanks for your help, you've given me something to think about at least.--Ykraps (talk) 22:25, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

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Help with web address

I am having trouble finding the original address of a document. If you go to this website [[15]], on the left-hand side, under the title Download (.csv), there is a drop-down box, select local authorities: county / unitary and click download. It is this excel document I am trying to use as a reference. Hovering over the download box brings up this address [[16]] but this appears to download much more than is required. Thanks for any advice.--Ykraps (talk) 10:34, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

It appears the CSV file is dynamically generated depending on the page settings. Finding the exact URL that gives you the CSV for the right information seems tricky. The same information, however, seems to be provided by the Office for National Statistics on this page, specifically here. The XLS is significantly larger than the CSV, but not too huge, in my opinion - about 275k. Huon (talk) 18:26, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Then I'll use the ONS table. Thanks for finding that.--Ykraps (talk) 09:47, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Boscombe Hospital

Hi there. Just a little job you may be interested in - but may give you bad memories :-). Quite a few prominent defunct hospitals are on Wikipedia and Boscombe Hospital qualifies. Please add anything you can to User:Penbat/Boscombe Hospital. It says there that there was once 2 hospitals in the area, 2 miles apart, the Victoria hospital and the Royal Boscombe Hospital but they got amalgamated in 1911. https://archive.org/stream/hospitalhealthre46londuoft/hospitalhealthre46londuoft_djvu.txt http://www.hospitalsdatabase.lshtm.ac.uk/hospital.php?hospno=221 Ah the Royal Victoria Hospital was at 17 Poole Road, Westbourne. https://www.flickr.com/photos/alwyn_ladell/sets/72157626066491302/ Also do we have anything at all on the history of Boscombe Kings Park Hospital ? --Penbat (talk) 21:37, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

The Westbourne site was until recently the eye hospital, now at the far end of the RBH. The King's Park annexe in Gloucester Road was partly used as the Genito-urinary (clap) clinic. Aside from that I'm afraid that I don't know much but I will endeavour to find out.--Ykraps (talk) 22:05, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Ah, I see you already know that it was the eye hospital. Were you aware however that there was a chest hospital in St Stephen's Road, next to the Town Hall?--Ykraps (talk) 22:09, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

If you look here https://www.flickr.com/photos/alwyn_ladell/sets/72157631839232415 (click on the "See more") it refers to KIngs Park hospital as being originally built as a "Sanitary Hospital" - it gives a lot of detailed spec but desnt give any context in which it was used. Apparently "sanitary hospitals" may be to do with quarantining sailors - eg http://ezitis.myzen.co.uk/denton.html https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22Sanitary+Hospital%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=y04lVcr5AczxaKuHgWA --Penbat (talk) 15:55, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

It seems unlikely that it was used for sailors as Bournemouth was never a port like London or Liverpool. There were a number of sanitoriums however, as Bournemouth was supposed to be a good place to recuperate. Sea bathing was supposed to have medicinal value and the pine scented air was thought to be especially good for chest complaints: Robert Louis Stevenson was sent there when he had tuberculosis.--Ykraps (talk) 21:54, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

you may be right https://www.flickr.com/photos/alwyn_ladell/sets/72157624355115606/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/alwyn_ladell/sets/72157624246625483/ http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/d9b43bbc-e60b-4572-8d51-81ce16776493 Might be worth doing a short new Wiki article on "ROYAL NATIONAL SANATORIUM, BOURNEMOUTH" as it apparently was run by NHS from 1974. Do you know how long for ? --Penbat (talk) 08:08, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

No, I'm afraid I don't but I do know someone who used to work there and when I see her next I'll see what I can find out. Of course, we will have to reference everything and online sources seem to be a bit thin on the ground so perhaps I'll take a look in the local history section of the library next time I'm there.--Ykraps (talk) 11:09, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

This might be interesting [[17]].--Ykraps (talk) 11:40, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

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Famous Bournemouth residents

Didn't we have a famous Bournemouth residents section somewhere ? If we dont have one it seems like a good idea, here's one I just found - Freddie Mills.--Penbat (talk) 19:48, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi Penbat, I usually include something about famous residents in the culture section but keep it in prose rather than bullets as it seems to attract less vandalism that way. I think Freddie Mills was in the original draft I created, along with Bournemouth's other sporting legend Virginia Wade, and a paragraph about actors Christian Bale, Charles Gray, and comedians Tony Hancock and Benny Hill. I thought the section a bit long and sprawling though and removed much of it when I revamped the article for GAN. However, I won't object if you want to add a bit more to it, I might have a few sentences hidden away some where. I had it in mind to take to FA standard at one time and have some extra, half worked on, stuff stored on my computer. If I can find it!--Ykraps (talk) 09:37, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Incidentally, if you visit the Littledown leisure centre, you'll find a plaque dedicated to Freddie Mills, on the far wall of the reception area.--Ykraps (talk) 09:38, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

I've put some stuff here User:Ykraps/Bournemouth residents but it needs a bit of work.--Ykraps (talk) 11:54, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

By the way, did u know that sixteen of the original W. B. Simpson tile panels from Royal Victoria Hospital, Bournemouth may be found, mounted on the stairs of the Royal Bournemouth Hospital. The panels, which date from 1910, show nursery rhymes and fairy tales.

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--Penbat (talk) 14:28, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Yep, they are well worth a look if you're ever in there. They're in the stairwell between Endocrine and Outpatients.--Ykraps (talk) 14:24, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Not the stairs close to the main entrance ? Also there's a stained glass window from the original workhouse just inside an entrance to Christchurch Hospital. --Penbat (talk) 16:26, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

No not those. If you come in through the main entrance go round to the left, heading towards pathology (blood tests), go past pathology and just before you get to the main outpatients reception, there is a stairway on the left.

I didn't know about the stained glass window. I will have to check that out. Thanks--Ykraps (talk) 05:59, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Its the general outpatients entrance for things like blood tests. Its on the right hand side just inside the entrance.--Penbat (talk) 08:39, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll make sure I take a look next time I'm around there. I can't imagine why I've not taken it in before, I must've seen it!--Ykraps (talk) 16:51, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks, I look forward to hearing your comments.--Ykraps (talk) 05:26, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi Ykraps, No joy re Fonds Marine. I downloaded the pdfs some time ago. I just checked the URLs I have for them and they don't go anywhere. Part of the problem may be that the French government website that housed them was hit by a hacker attack and is currently bare-bones only while they try to fix things, which they hope to have done in 2016. (At least that's my rough understanding of some info on the master website.) I can provide you with the pdf, but that doesn't really solve the citation problem. Regards, Acad Ronin (talk) 20:18, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

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This web page and this book might also be useful.— Rod ^talk 12:30, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

I should think any of those would suffice, thanks, and thanks for your edits to the article. Hope I can be of assistance to you some time.--Ykraps (talk) 20:19, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

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Sorry that you had to revert all my changes that linked to jibe. It was a dab page for a little while, but it appears like BD2412 reverted the change and moved Jibe (sailing) back to Jibe. Natg 19 (talk) 16:38, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi Natg 19,

No need for apologies, it's just WP:BRD and all that! I didn't see the earlier edits and thought what you were doing was contrary to WP:NOTBROKEN. Anyway, I didn't get them all; just the ones that popped up on my watchlist. Nothing personal, though. Best regards--Ykraps (talk) 22:57, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

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Often when one uses templates to convert figures from one unit to another, the result is given to too many decimal places. I believe there is some sort of parameter one can add to round up the figures. Where is it? Thanks--Ykraps (talk) 19:05, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

See Template:Convert#Rounding: 100 ft is 30 m or 30.5 m or 30.48 m?. Huon (talk) 19:27, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks and thanks for your prompt response too. I was typing in "wp: help with templates" and getting nothing.--Ykraps (talk) 19:55, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

There is Help:Template for general help regarding templates, but usually the documentations for individual templates are on the template pages themselves. Huon (talk) 22:02, 13 June 2016 (UTC)