User talk:Wsiegmund/Archive03
This is an archive of past discussions with User:Wsiegmund. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Congratulations!
You are a a major contributor to Retreat of glaciers since 1850 which is now a Featured article....good work!--MONGO 06:25, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
I am working on getting at least stubs for a number of articles and some seem to be less interesting than others...I came to one redlined link and said to myself before I started that this one was going to be not that interesting....but you learn something everyday around here...Karl E. Mundt National Wildlife Refuge...and it's close enough to me I may go there this coming weekend and see what I can find.--MONGO 11:42, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
- That is splendid news! Congratulations on shepherding the article to a successful conclusion! I'm looking forward to reading about Karl E. Mundt NWR. I took some decent images of Findley and Ankeny NWRs over the last few days. I don't think any are exceptional, though. I have some bird and plant images, too. Some may be worth uploading. Thanks again for letting me know about Retreat of glaciers! -- Walter Siegmund (talk) 04:53, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
- Oh, this is beginning in my userspace for now:[1]...can transfer it after I get it more evolved...patterned after the Protected area project. If you get those images the way you want them, I'll do what I can to assist with those articles.--MONGO 04:56, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Shotokan
The silly 'shoto' translation argument is getting out of hand. Capj apparently(I cannot independently confirm this) contacted the Faculty that Ron Southwick is a part of and accused him of academic dishonesty. What I do know is that we have been discussing this issue for weeks and weeks, a consensus was reached with the agreement of everyone except user Capj. Since then he has been unilaterally changing the Shotokan page to fit his views regardless of anyone else. The talk page has exploded to a mammothly long argument and the history is a list of continual deletions and additions of the same material. Talking simply does not work with Capj. Please help to resolve this dispute once and for all. Then all parties can get back to making significant contributions to wikipedia again. 207.161.42.170 00:27, 11 April 2006 (UTC)Matt
PS: I do appologize for the deletions on the talk pages. It was not my intent to vandalize anything, I was simply trying to delete sections that weren't actively being posted in. 207.161.42.170 00:30, 11 April 2006 (UTC)Matt
- Thanks for commenting on this. I wasn't sure why you blanked the material on the talk pages, but it is better to leave it alone for the time being. To do otherwise is to raise questions about the motives for the deletions and to waste time reconstructing the edit history of the page. I have inquired about this matter on Cap_j's talk page and have reminded him/her of WP:NPA policy. At this point, it is out of my hands. An allegation of a serious violation of a Wikipedia policy is a matter for administrators to investigate and act upon. Best wishes, Walter Siegmund (talk) 00:43, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
If this does not resolve the dispute, what is the next appropriate step for me to take? If it is contancting an admin, how would I do that? 207.161.42.170 03:44, 11 April 2006 (UTC)Matt
- I've contacted User talk:MONGO and User talk:Cyde. Southwick has posted on WP:PAIN. That should suffice to start the wheels turning. But to answer your question, WP:AN/I is probably best place to post regarding a serious personal attack. This incident is a bit unusual since there is no independent verification of the attack so far (as you point out above). --Walter Siegmund (talk) 03:56, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Ron Southwick told me about it, but if he hasn't substantiated this claim then I would not expect any action to be taken(as far as this alledged personal attack is concerned) based only on hearsay. I am more concerned with resolving the Shotokan page dispute which as you can see is getting out of hand. 207.161.42.170 05:18, 11 April 2006 (UTC)Matt
Main page
Sort of like Wikipedias front cover...Retreat of glaciers since 1850 will be on the Main page on 4/18/06 [2]...so don't change that channel.--MONGO 11:22, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
- That is splendid news! Thank you for letting me know. Walter Siegmund (talk) 16:34, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
WP:NA
Hi. Thanks for letting me know. At the moment I have no view on whether I want to be an administrator, but I'm willing to listen to arguments for & against. Happy to discuss. SP-KP 18:11, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for that. My reaction on reading those pages is that the nomination process looks too painful, so I think I'll decline the offer, but if you feel that's the wrong decision, I'm happy to listen. SP-KP 18:57, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
I've spent about 4 years total living in Glacier. It really is sublime in many ways. I want to get up this location on this topo...[3] so I can get an updated image of Grinnell Glacier as shown in the opening image in the Retreat of glaciers since 1850 article and linked from here. Let me know if you plan to go...if nothing else, trails from the Lake Sherbourne area to Gunsight Pass or the Highland trail [4] from Logan Pass along the Garden Wall are must sees. Also, along the northwest, Kintla and Bowman lakes are usually very quiet. I've seen over 30 grizzlies in Glacier, one I stumbled into and was about 15 yards from me after returning from Otokomi Lake [5]...hair raising.--MONGO 20:02, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
You may have to create the image under a new file name, then nominate the older one for deletion under the policies in Commons which are different than in the English Wiki. I think the image is used in three places, so you just need to change the flie in those three articles after you do a new upload. I don't know any admins in commons that may be able to speedy the old image, but they will want a new one uploaded first I believe.--MONGO 01:12, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
- It seems to have been a cache problem in my browser. I emptied the cash and the new image displays properly. I tried to make the aspen look a little more yellow than orange and the foreground trees a little greener. I've never had a close encounter with a grizzly but found myself very close to a bison one in Badlands NP. Fortunately, the bison seemed as interested in increasing our separation as I did. Do you think the grizzle deterent sprays are worth carrying? --Walter Siegmund (talk) 08:40, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
- It seems to me that the Grinnell Glacier picture was taken from near the summit of Mount Gould about midday. A midmorning time would reduce the shadows on the left side of the image. I would guess the ascent to be straightforward from the Highline Trail and could be done in about 1.5 hours. It would be splendid to have a high quality current picture for Retreat of glaciers since 1850 especially if it shows significant change since 1981. Walter Siegmund (talk) 09:09, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
- I think you're right about Mount Gould...looks to be a bit steep...I think that the other glacier known as the Salamander would be to the left of Grinnell Lake rather than somewhat behind it though if you took the shot from the summit of Mount Gould. Index the topo link slightly to the left [6] and you'll maybe see what I mean...as compared to the image...I think, based on the angle they possibly took the image from an airplane. If I had to guess, based on what I have learned, Grinnell Glacier may not even exist anymore...at least not as an active glacier...yes, a variety of sprays may help if attacked, but I think you need to get it in their eyes to have any impact. I wore bells on my backpack when hiking in areas with high densities of Griz. A group is highly recommended if doing an overnight, especially above timberline, which is easy to get at since that is about 4,500 feet on the east and 5,000 feet on the west side of the continental divide. That stretch between Mount Gould and the highland trial is full of bighorns and mountain goats.--MONGO 09:36, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
- Based on the appearance of point 7980' west of The Salamander, the viewpoint must be about 9000'. The summit of 7980' is well below the horizon. Also, the left foreground looks relatively close, no more than 500' away, I judge. Only Mount Gould and its upper slopes are that high. It could be an aerial shot, but I'm dubious since I think the viewpoint is near ground level (again because of the appearance of the left foreground). I'm not convinced by your argument regarding the relationship of the lake to The Salamander since the location of the south shore of the lake is modulated by glacier retreat and may not be the same in the image and on the map. Thanks for the comments on wildlife. It sounds like a good place to go with a 12x zoom camera! Walter Siegmund (talk) 07:20, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- I think you're right about Mount Gould...looks to be a bit steep...I think that the other glacier known as the Salamander would be to the left of Grinnell Lake rather than somewhat behind it though if you took the shot from the summit of Mount Gould. Index the topo link slightly to the left [6] and you'll maybe see what I mean...as compared to the image...I think, based on the angle they possibly took the image from an airplane. If I had to guess, based on what I have learned, Grinnell Glacier may not even exist anymore...at least not as an active glacier...yes, a variety of sprays may help if attacked, but I think you need to get it in their eyes to have any impact. I wore bells on my backpack when hiking in areas with high densities of Griz. A group is highly recommended if doing an overnight, especially above timberline, which is easy to get at since that is about 4,500 feet on the east and 5,000 feet on the west side of the continental divide. That stretch between Mount Gould and the highland trial is full of bighorns and mountain goats.--MONGO 09:36, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
- It seems to me that the Grinnell Glacier picture was taken from near the summit of Mount Gould about midday. A midmorning time would reduce the shadows on the left side of the image. I would guess the ascent to be straightforward from the Highline Trail and could be done in about 1.5 hours. It would be splendid to have a high quality current picture for Retreat of glaciers since 1850 especially if it shows significant change since 1981. Walter Siegmund (talk) 09:09, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I see that now...I want you to also look at this page, where apparently the webmaster has provided an easily discernable addition about the number of Glaciers in Glacier National Park as of 2005. Remember, as of 1850, there were an estimated 150 glaciers in Glacier National Park...about mid way down the page--MONGO 08:04, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- That one looks good. I would include it. There were 75 left in 1988. "In Montana, 106 glaciers may survive in Glacier National Park, the Cabinet Range, The Flathead-Mission-Swan Ranges, the Crazy Mountains and the Beartooth Mountains (Meier, 1961a). ... Historical data suggest that since about 1920 these glaciers have drastically shrunk and that about half of the 150 glaciers present in Glacier National Park at that time no longer exist today (Carrara and McGimsey, 1981, 1988)." Davis, P. Thompson, Holocene Glacier Fluctuations in the American Codillera, Quaternary Science Reviews, Vol. 7, pp. 129-157, 1988, paper. QSR is peer reviewed. From p. 141. Copy this discussion to Glacier National Park?
- Yes, certainly the last few comments...good references...shows a chain of updates about the status of the glaciers there...I think the grinnell image from Retreat of glaciers since 1850 may be in the GNP article...when that section is expanded.--MONGO 10:46, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- A picture on Dan Fagre's web page tends to confirm that the Grinnell Glacier was taken at ground level from the upper slopes of Mount Gould. [7] Walter Siegmund (talk) 11:58, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, certainly the last few comments...good references...shows a chain of updates about the status of the glaciers there...I think the grinnell image from Retreat of glaciers since 1850 may be in the GNP article...when that section is expanded.--MONGO 10:46, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
My RFA
Many thanks for your vote on my recent RFA, which passed narrowly. I will try to be worthy of your support. And you are absolutely right that I should use the preview button more! Aaargh! Regards, Kaisershatner 21:25, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Snag
Hi Walter - thanks! I'm not aware of any US/UK difference in usage for dead trees; quite why someone put it in in the first place, I don't know - snags are also found in UK forestry. There are other colloquial uses in UK English which may/may not also occur in US (I don't know), e.g. the verb 'to snag' as in snagging (tearing) clothes on a sharp projection; not sure if they should be mentioned. - MPF 00:00, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
It's about time!<|:)
Glad to see your contributions to the cause...anything to add to discussion is appreciated as well.--MONGO 03:16, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for the welcome and kind words. Best wishes, Walter Siegmund (talk) 04:08, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
- Also, thanks for your help with Ankeny National Wildlife Refuge and William L. Finley National Wildlife Refuge. Walter Siegmund (talk) 14:55, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Spammy Links
Walter, thank you so much for the welcome. This is in reference to the "Certificate of Deposit" page. I will be honest in that my first reason for coming here was a suggestion from some SEO person that at times you can get a link to your website if done correctly. When it comes to commercial sites you want to be ranked as high as you can, and relevant one-way links fit the bill. I spend a lot of time doing that on my own. I don't like link farms, etc. So when other sites are given free links it is frustrating. BankRate.com doesn't need anymore links. BankCD.com use to charge a fee, but I guess decided they could make more money by having people click ads on their site. And BestCashCow.com, although they give good info, doesn't exist for altruistic reasons. And I believe all 3 fall under #5 of the list of things to avoid when it comes to external links. So, I would like to see their links go away. And just so you know another user felt the same way I did, but I don't recall their exact user name, it was spam something. The history of their changes to the page have been removed. And another ad laden site has a link there now as well. So how many are needed? I vote to have them all removed. BTW, I did add some useful content to the article. $ isn't everything afterall. --Cdduncan 18:39, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I'm from Montana
Now many, many years ago, when I was twenty-three, I was married to a widow who was pretty as could be. This widow had a grown-up daughter who had hair of red. My father fell in love with her, and soon they, too, were wed.
This made my dad my son-in-law and changed my very life, My daughter was my mother, cause she was my father's wife. To complicate the matter, even though it brought me joy, I soon became the father of a bouncing baby boy.
My little baby then became a brother-in-law to Dad, And so became my uncle, though it made me very sad. For if he was my uncle, then that also made him brother Of the widow's grown-up daughter, who, of course, was my stepmother.
Father's wife then had a son who kept him on the run, And he became my grandchild, for he was my daughter's son. My wife is now my mother's mother, and it makes me blue, Because, although she is my wife, she's my grandmother, too.
Now if my wife is my grandmother, then I'm her grandchild, And everytime I think of it, it nearly drives me wild, For now I have become the strangest case you ever saw As husband of my grandmother, I am my own grandpa! --MONGO 03:31, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Thank you!
Your concern in my absence and your get-well wishes really mean a lot to me. Sometimes, well - life can be tough on us, but as long as good friends like you are there, I'll always have a reason to cheer up. Thank you, my sweet, dear Walt!!
PS. You are so right, Walt, broken ribs are by far the worst experience a hyperactive person like me can possibly endure :( Next time, I promise I'll be more careful... Kisses!
Phædriel ♥ tell me - 17:44, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Images
I really like the detail you add in commons when you upload images...not only are the images excellent, your details are as well...[8]...thanks!--MONGO 02:56, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
- I try to add the information that I would like to have to understand the context of the picture. For some pictures, e.g., a glacier, it may be interesting to compare an image to another taken from the same location a few years later. Thank you for noticing. Best wishes, Walter Siegmund (talk) 04:15, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Pallid sturgeon
Here's a little article I created: Pallid sturgeon...I don't do many critter articles...but thought this guy was interesting...check out the first couple of links too.--MONGO 14:47, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- I agree. That is an interesting article. Thanks for letting me know about it. Walter Siegmund (talk) 05:48, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for fixing my typos there...I seem, as of late, to be somewhat of a horrible speller...not sure what's going on with that, but something I need to be more careful of.--MONGO 08:40, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
We almost forgot
Have a look at Post-glacial rebound...just found it (it's rated as a "good article" as evidenced on it's talk page) and maybe we can return to the article you started, Holocene glacial retreat.--MONGO 09:52, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for the link. It looks very relevant. I agree that Holocene glacial retreat needs attention. I didn't realize that the topic was so large. I think one could write a whole article just on Puget Sound on this subject. Many moraines and erosional features of the modern landscape are from this period. I read recently that the drainage of Lake Agassiz was responsible for disrupting the Gulf Stream. Walter Siegmund (talk) 06:37, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Have a look
Check out the repeat photography I added at Glacier...[9]--MONGO 03:39, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
- What a splendid and informative series of photographs. Congratulations! Walter Siegmund (talk) 06:29, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
You beat me to it!
I see...
--MONGO 23:50, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
- I took that one in Oregon in April along with a Western Bluebird image that wasn't good enough to upload. I took one or two on my California trip that may be better. Your images are probably better, too. Walter Siegmund (talk) 04:55, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
- I think we have both Brewer's Blackbird and Common Grackles here...they are very similar, aside from the Grackle being larger and a little more brownish on their bodies.--MONGO 05:46, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
- I agree. Your picture is of a Grackle. We don't have Grackles here in the west so I'm not familiar with them. I'm not much of a birder, anyhow. Walter Siegmund (talk) 17:22, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
- I think we have both Brewer's Blackbird and Common Grackles here...they are very similar, aside from the Grackle being larger and a little more brownish on their bodies.--MONGO 05:46, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I believe you are correct...and I see that Mdf has already upoaded an outstanding image for the Common Grackle...why is the best image I have ever taken of a "common" bird...the only way I would be able to take a "better" image of wildlife than Mdf is if I got an image of Bigfoot.--MONGO 20:50, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
- That is a excellent image. I'd like to do as well. I won't hold my breath on Bigfoot; there are plenty of other good subjects, though. Walter Siegmund (talk) 23:28, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Image use
Greetings: My images are all cc-sa. See my response to your question on my talk page - Leonard G. 16:02, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks, but note that the query was from an anonymous editor. Please look at the edit history. --Walter Siegmund (talk) 18:41, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Boulder Glacier location
- Maps and aerial photos
- WikiSatellite view at WikiMapia
- Topographic map from TopoZone
- Aerial image from TerraServer-USA
- Surrounding area map from Google Maps
- Location in the United States from the Census Bureau
Walter Siegmund (talk) 15:13, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 19:41, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Way to go! Congrats!--MONGO 20:17, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
- Oh, they also mention my butterfly article Fender's blue Butterfly...yippe!--MONGO 20:18, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
- Congratulations to you! I think it was your work and that of Circeus that gave it a big boost. Fender's Blue is very nice work. Walter Siegmund (talk) 01:59, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your edits to Banff National Park. I originally thought that the Parks Canada website on the park was lousy, but surfing through it, I see that it actually has some useful information.I'll be adding more over the next week or two, so never hesitate to add or comment as to what you think it may need before Kmf164 sends it to peer review.--MONGO 00:13, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
- My pleasure. I'll try to do more. I'm very impressed with the appearance and content of the article. --Walter Siegmund (talk) 01:02, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, I started the wikiproject I said I would..I still need to develop an infobox. I don't expect you to contribute much unless you really want to, but it would be wonderful to have you sign up as a "member" anyway. It's up to you, but I hope this will allow us to tie all the glacier and glaciology related articles under one banner. Add to the project page as you wish, and any suggestions you have are welcome, of course.--MONGO 08:45, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Info box is almost done...I'll get the coordinates to link properly over the next few days...anyway, have a look.--MONGO 08:24, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
- That is splendid. I'll sign up on the project page, now. Best wishes, Walter Siegmund (talk) 21:09, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for supporting my recent RfA!
Thanks for contributing to my successful RfA! | ||
To the people who have supported my request: I appreciate the show of confidence in me and I hope I live up to your expectations! To the people who opposed the request: I'm certainly not ignoring the constructive criticism and advice you've offered. I thank you as well! ♥! ~Kylu (u|t) 04:12, 19 July 2006 (UTC) |
- Thanks for the support! I appreciate it! ~Kylu (u|t) 04:12, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the barnstar!
Thanks so much for awarding me my first barnstar! That's certainly not why I work on Wikipedia (it's mostly because I'm an obsessive ;), but it sure is nice that my efforts are noticed and appreciated. Good work on the Stayon article, BTW, and thanks for improving the wording on Tualatin--I was struggling with it and hoped someone would come up with something better. And thanks to your user page, I now have a new favorite thing to say: "Hoary Comma" (one of the others being "Pseudotsuga menziesii"). Nice to see the article on the Nisqually refuge too--I lived in Oly for a while and had a class at Evergreen where we got to spend a lot of time there. Happy trails! Katr67 00:08, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
- You are very welcome. I have obsesssive tendencies, too, so we share that. Also, I have a friend who graduated from Evergreen and now lives in Corvallis. Nisqually NWR is a gem. Thank you for the kind comments regarding my contributions. Best wishes, Walter Siegmund (talk) 04:32, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America Newsletter - July '06
|
|
Pic request
Hi Walter - could you look out for a photo of Douglas Maple (Acer glabrum, a.k.a. Rocky Mountain Maple), please? There's a new article and all it's got is a grotty line drawing - thanks, MPF 20:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Comments
Comments or editing help are appreciated on Banff National Park, which is now at peer review. Comments at the Peer review and on the article talk page are especially welcome...if you feel so inclined of course. I think Aude has brought it a long way in the past few weeks...it looks pretty good now, but since I have helped some, I'm staying out of the peer review process aside from the editing. Thanks!--MONGO 04:35, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks...yeah...that image you mentioned is awesome. The fellow that uploaded it also has a few others you might want to gawk at. Unfornately, I have only been to Banff once and the three days I was there it rained most of the time.--MONGO 06:01, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
- Oh, check this stuff out...maybe I'm a bit slow..but NASA is linking to Wikipedia...see their blue lined links to hoary marmots, pikas, harlequin ducks on this page.--MONGO 07:17, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
- It is good to see Wikipedia cited. I contributed one of the marmot images. Gorgo's images are very nice. Thanks for pointing that out. --Walter Siegmund (talk) 14:24, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Polar bear size
Hi! I notice you have changed the weight of the biggest polar bear to 2200lbs, according to the information found in 40to40.com. But according to Guinness 2006, the weight is only an estimate of about 1960 lbs, so I just changed it back. Please do not be angry, I just want to contribute what I know to the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.57.44.92 (talk • contribs) 06:38, 22 April 2006.
Thanks for the supporting comments!
I appreciate your comments at Dental_Floss. Obviously this was already way out of hand before I stepped in and I wasn't sure how to proceed. --Ronz 01:47, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
- Seems to me that the article needs more good references. A standard textbook or reference book would be an excellent addition to the article. Best wishes, Walter Siegmund (talk) 01:57, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
Ice
Conversations about possibly renaming the List of glaciers is ongoing on the talk page...I'm indifferent, but looking from feedback from you. There is also discussion about the naming criteria for such things as icecaps, icefields...etc...on the project talk page...I also emailed Peltoms to see what he thinks...he's the only expert I know about such matters, but again, I am not beholden to any naming, just looking for standardizations, if there are any.--MONGO 21:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Ice
Conversations about possibly renaming the List of glaciers is ongoing on the talk page...I'm indifferent, but looking from feedback from you. There is also discussion about the naming criteria for such things as icecaps, icefields...etc...on the project talk page...I also emailed Peltoms to see what he thinks...he's the only expert I know about such matters, but again, I am not beholden to any naming, just looking for standardizations, if there are any.--MONGO 21:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Ice
Conversations about possibly renaming the List of glaciers is ongoing on the talk page...I'm indifferent, but looking from feedback from you. There is also discussion about the naming criteria for such things as icecaps, icefields...etc...on the project talk page...I also emailed Peltoms to see what he thinks...he's the only expert I know about such matters, but again, I am not beholden to any naming, just looking for standardizations, if there are any.--MONGO 21:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Butterflies
Hi Walter. Fritillaries are a pain to identify and I'm afraid I don't know anything about American species. Checking your photo against Google image search certainly suggests a pretty close match but Nomina Insecta Nearctica lists 14 Speyeria species and I'd wager they are all pretty similar. Nomina doesn't provide fine distribution details and location and flight season are often your best pointers - a local source may be your best bet for this info.
Same goes with the other one really - It's certainly a tortoiseshell but I'm not totally up to speed with American species. Sorry I couldn't be more help. Richard Barlow 07:12, 30 August 2006 (UTC)