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Yeah, I think I get the idea now (I also added category:fictional senators to it). Is there an article on the book (if not, what's the title)? A link to that might be useful. --science4sailtalkcon02:45, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
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Hi, there. I'm not exactly sure what happened over in the above case, but I'd like to make sure that you understand that Mediation is not Arbitration. Informal mediators cannot simply go around and declare that a certain compromise is acceptable or not. Instead, they are to help propose compromises that make the parties happy. Mediators cannot impose sanctions on editors or declare what the solution shall be - that is up for the parties to the dispute to decide. I just wanted to be sure that you understand this, as it appears the parties to the case are upset about how the mediation request went by. I am suggesting that they try formal mediation or another path of dispute resolution. Cowman109Talk23:44, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
You also appear to completely misunderstand what the (non)applicability of the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which limits what government entities can do. Wikipedia is not a government entity. The First Amendment in no way, shape, or form provides any guidance to any editor at Wikipedia as to what should or should not be done with respect to editing of articles, images or text that can or cannot be included, etc.
In response to your posting on my talk page (which I just noticed; apologies for the delay in responding)
the First Amendment says Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. (emphasis added)
Note that this amendment does NOT say that (for example) "non-profit organizations shall make no rule abridging the freedom of speech of their employees". In fact, the U.S. Supreme Court has held that religious organizations may discriminate in hiring on the basis of religion, for example.
the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution requires the states to provide equal protection under the law to all persons (I'm quoting from that article; again, emphasis added). This is a restraint on actions by state governments entities, not on what private organizations do. Again, an example may help: the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that the Boy Scouts can discriminate against gays who want to be volunteers in that organization.
Per WP:NOT, Wikipedia is not a soapbox - there is no such thing as "First Amendment Rights". If the Wikimedia Foundation were to say that any editor saying anything negative about Jimbo Wales (or George Bush, or whatever) was to be immediately and permanently blocked by the first admin to notice, there would certainly be an uproar - but there would be no grounds whatsoever for a lawsuit arguing first amendment infringement of rights. Just as there are no grounds to argue that the U.S. Constitution has anything relevant to say about what images can and cannot be uploaded to Wikipedia. -- John Broughton(☎☎)18:20, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
As far as "commenting on the page", I think you're refering to the page which records what is happening on the mailing list. You can comment posting a message to that mailing list, either as a non-member or as a subsciber - see Wikipedia:Mailing lists and follow the link at "WikiEN-l - Email discussion of the English Wikipedia". -- John Broughton(☎☎)18:43, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
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Hi, Wikizach. I'm still concerned about the articles Chris Rowe, Santiago Pardo and Sam L. that you created last month. I haven't been able to find any references to the book Rite and Reason in Google or Amazon. Who is the author? When was it published? If we can't establish the book's notability, I might nominate the articles for deletion. If the book does merit inclusion in Wikipedia, it might be better to merge the three character articles into an article on the book, per WP:FICTION. Either way, we might want to reconsider having the fictional character at Chris Rowe, because apparently there's a real-life politician for a minor party in the UK named Chris Rowe. (See Your Party.)
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