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Ways to improve List of synagogues in Ukraine
[edit]Hi, I'm Boleyn. Wanfried-Dublin, thanks for creating List of synagogues in Ukraine!
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Boleyn (talk) 16:10, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
- Hi, as this is a list with links to each one of the mentioned synagogues I do not think it is necessary to give sources for the information that is contained in the articles about these synagogues already (I hope the sources are given there, as I did not check each case individually, but some checks confirmed that the statements are not unsourced). I hope this is okay.--Wanfried-Dublin (talk) 16:24, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
- Just some thoughts: as this list is only intented to give an overview about existing articles on synagogues I would rather delete the columns where a source is required than doing all the additional work to copy the references from corresponding the articles into this list. --Wanfried-Dublin (talk) 17:13, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
- Hi, thanks for responding. If all you were looking for was a list of existing articles, then Category:Synagogues in Ukraine would be the appropriate place - a list article is an attempt to make a full list of all the synagogues in Ukraine. If your only source was the Wikipedia articles, then that isn't a reliable source, and there isn't anything to easily add at this point. Usually there will be elsewhere on Google a list of all of them, and then people use that as the sources. Per WP:SourceList, list articles are expected to have their information sourced. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 19:30, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
- Hi, I can not follow your arguments completely. I had seen List of synagogues, and the entry for Ukraine was just crab. A few synagogues, and links to some towns (there would be hardly a city, town or village in Ukraine that did not have at least one synagogue - so what was the use of these entries?). Some other countries had more substantial lists, and having created the German one, I created the one in English, based on the German list. Too, the List of synagogues refers to lists for certain countries that are similar to the Ukrainian one, but there is definitely not one list that is complete.
- I know that Wikipedia can not be used as a source, but all the synagogues that are linked have proper sources in their corresponding articles. I do not think it is necessary to repeat them in this list.
- So, what can be done: delete this list as it is incomplete and always will be (and do that with all other synagogue-lists?). Or add the sources from every link (I will not do this, as I think that is not necessary). Or delete the columns that contain information where a source should be given? I doubt the list will be better afterwards.
- One word about Google: when I try to improve the German list, I found there is not much information that is found easily. It takes me a couple of hours to collect articles about one synagogue that can be used as a proper source (and I can only read the German and English articles; my knowledge of Polish or Ukrainian is too limited). So there is no way that Google will give all information.
- It is definitely not possible to give a full list of all synagogues - not for Ukraine and hardly for many other countries. And the same is valid for many other lists; just one example: Demolition of monuments to Vladimir Lenin in Ukraine. So, if many lists exist, that do not fulfill the requirement of completeness, why this list? My idea was, to start with the information that is available at the moment and then add more synagogues once more articles are created. (Check how it is done on the German wiki).
- Anyhow, thanks to start a discussion about this and not just revert my work, as it had happened to me some time before and nearly stopped me working on the English wikipedia. I hope we come to a satisfying solution. Best wishes--Wanfried-Dublin (talk) 20:39, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
- Don't worry about the list being incomplete, it's fine that it's a work in progress. As you say, there are many examples of lists that need sources but WP:SourceList is clear that they should have them. I contacted you about this one as it came up on New Page Patrol, and I had to decide whether to review it (let it stay in the mainspace and be indexed by Google) or not. I made the judgement to let it through, but wanted to alert you to the concern.
- Thanks. I stated my intention about sources on the article-talk page too, so everybody knows why no sources are given. I have a break from the internet and wikipedia at the moment, but will go on to improve the topic (synagogues in Ukraine) in a couple of weeks.--Wanfried-Dublin (talk) 09:18, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
- Don't worry about the list being incomplete, it's fine that it's a work in progress. As you say, there are many examples of lists that need sources but WP:SourceList is clear that they should have them. I contacted you about this one as it came up on New Page Patrol, and I had to decide whether to review it (let it stay in the mainspace and be indexed by Google) or not. I made the judgement to let it through, but wanted to alert you to the concern.
- Hi, thanks for responding. If all you were looking for was a list of existing articles, then Category:Synagogues in Ukraine would be the appropriate place - a list article is an attempt to make a full list of all the synagogues in Ukraine. If your only source was the Wikipedia articles, then that isn't a reliable source, and there isn't anything to easily add at this point. Usually there will be elsewhere on Google a list of all of them, and then people use that as the sources. Per WP:SourceList, list articles are expected to have their information sourced. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 19:30, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
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