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Welcome

Hello. And welcome to Wikipedia. Please consider taking a moment to review the policies on conflicts of interest, promotion, advocacy, and use of images. Thanks. Guliolopez (talk) 16:49, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello thank you for the welcome I have read the terms and conditions, I have no COI connection, I am a keen researcher of the Rilantu Minceir (Irish Traveller) community, their unrecorded history, and ethic diverse role models of Ireland. I'm sorry to see you have removed some content I will try harder to be more clinical with my interest. Thank you again for your time (talk).Guliolopez — Preceding unsigned comment added by WIKIBB2020 (talk • contribs)

Hi. Thanks for your response.

In terms of COI, I would recommend that perhaps you take another quick look at the guidelines there. The policy doesn't imply that having a COI is "bad". But it does expect that editors (with a potential conflict of interest) should think twice about their motivations before (for example) describing a subject as "award winning" or adding a link to favourable reviews of a subject's book, or adding references to a particular subject (or a subject's family) across multiple articles. The reason we have COI guidelines is because, sometimes, it makes it more difficult for an editor to separate the interests and goals of the Wikipedia project from their own personal interests.

In general terms, you might also have a quick look at the WP:SIG guidelines. I have no doubt that it was entirely unintentional, but your note above ended with a link to my profile/details. While omitting your own. This, at a glance, made it look like I had signed your comment. I have attempted to fix it in this case. But you should please consider signing your own posts in the Talk or User Talk spaces.

Thanks. Guliolopez (talk) 10:37, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

I understand however unless being a follower of the public pages, I don’t have one. My interest is to have the notable history of the Mincéirí (Travellers) who entered Irish institutions recorded and the language. I was inspired into researching it by the individual who I edited as I had learned a lot through following the public platform she leads and the book, so i wanted to try record it. Which I thought I had the skills to be able to do and was happy to already see a template here for the author however I’m still very much learning about this system. I’m sorry that the link didn’t meet requirements, it was not intentional, nether was using your name, I thought it would make you aware of the response by doing so. Take care. WIKIBB2020 (talk) 10:57, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

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AussieWikiDan (talk) 17:33, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi dan, Thank you for your advise, I’m still learning the systems and will be more cautious with the tick boxes in future. WIKIBB2020 (talk) 17:36, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

You’re very welcome. This is just a standard message, happy editing! AussieWikiDan (talk)

Rilantu Mincéir moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Rilantu Mincéir, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. This will give you time to expand the article with extra sources and information before "publishing" it. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Also, have you heard of Wiktionary? Content like this may be more appropriate there. If you need any help, you can , or just leave a message on my talk page. Thanks! Seagull123 Φ 18:59, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

PS, I notice that you're relatively new here, so welcome! If you need any more help getting around Wikipedia, look here. Also, have you thought about joining a WikiProject? Some which may be of interest to you are: WikiProject Ireland and WikiProject United Kingdom. To find other WikiProjects that may be of interest to you, have a look here. Seagull123 Φ 19:05, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your all your needed advise & welcome message Seagull. WIKIBB2020 (talk) 19:10, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Mary Teresa Collins

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Thank you for informing me, I’m still very new here but very keen to learn quickly the rules. This was a silly mistake and I hope to delete the copyright information before the page is deleted. Thank you WIKIBB2020 (talk) 21:40, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for engaging with the delation nomination. I have seen that you removed the URLs from the deletion tag itself. Please do not do this again. It is up to the reviewing administrator to judge whether any copyright violation has been fixed. As it happens, I have checked the article again and it still contains lots of problematic content. This included close paraphrasing of the copyrighted content, for which see WP:PARAPHRASE. Modussiccandi (talk) 23:38, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Sorry I thought doing such helps inform that it’s been corrected. Thank you for the advise, I have been and will continue to work hard on the article so it’s meets standards as quickly as possible. Thank you for your time. WIKIBB2020 (talk) 23:41, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Mary Teresa Collins

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Speedy deletion nomination of Justice 4 All Women & Children

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Have you actually took the time to read the articles? And also the other articles among on this platform deemed as “notable” as your very wrong to try delete this and my other article extending on the diversity of the community of both topics in which are clearly very notable. The person who edited the article last didn’t have the same opinion that you carry as maybe instead of acting through prejudice. They actually took the time to read it and saw that Mary Teresa Collins and her organisation is notable and should have already been noted among the community. It’s shameful it hasn’t been and your action goes to show why Traveller women continued to be suppressed. WIKIBB2020 (talk) 01:12, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

COI

As mentioned before, editors are discouraged from editing articles and topics (including creating articles about subjects) with which they have a direct association. Creating articles on family members and organisations with which you have an association falls within the scope of the WP:COI guidelines. Please re-review those guidelines. Guliolopez (talk) 15:23, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of Justice 4 All Women & Children for deletion

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Justice 4 All Women & Children

Hello Guliolopez,

I have edited the article to match with the citations in regards to the notable organisation.

There is individuals noted among the community for just committing one crime.

In the Johnny Doran article I’ve been editing, for years it’s been allowed to have a “family” section listing members of unnoticeable people in which have not be noted anywhere and also content.

I’m trying to extend on Traveller History in which is clearly very neglected among the WIKI community, however it seems like I’m personally hitting a lot of barriers of suppression among a culture in which the Last acceptable racism thrives.

I please ask you to reconsider your nomination, I’ve read a book where it’s noted. It has also been noted by media outlets such as print, radio, news broadcast on numerous occasions throughout the years.

Regards WIKIBB2020 (talk) 18:17, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi WIKIBB2020.

RE: "I have edited the article to match with the citations in regards to the notable organisation". No. You haven't. These two edits only served to remove the problem tags. The inline citations still do not support the text. And do not establish notability. Most do not mention the subject organisation at all. Or the people involved with it.

RE: "the Johnny Doran article has been allowed to have a section listing non-notable family members". I do not know what point you are making here. But "two wrongs don't make a right" is a phrase that comes to mind. "There are problems elsewhere" is also not an excuse or reason for introducing new problems. Regardless, not only has that section of the Johnny Doran been tagged as problematic for years, but there is no comparison between mentioning someone's family members in an article and creating four or more articles on each member of a family. All claiming notability based on the same events and sources.

RE: "I'm trying to extend on Traveller History in which is clearly very neglected among the WIKI community". That's fine. And laudable. And you are probably right. The traveller perspective is probably underrepresented here. And elsewhere on the internet and media. But you may want to read WP:NOTSOAPBOX. And you may want to consider whether "extending content on traveller history" is strictly an accurate description of a pattern of editing which has involved creating or extending articles relating directly to yourself and three generations of your own family. And the organisations with which you and your family have an association. I'm not personally certain that "extending content on traveller history" is an accurate description of that pattern of editing. Or that you've yet successfully identified where your own goals and the of the project overlap or differ.

RE: "The organisation is covered in books and media outlets". What book? Can you link it in the article please?

RE: "I please ask you to reconsider your nomination". Thanks for the prompt. But, no thanks. I won't be closing the AfD thread myself. The AfD process will now determine the outcome.

Bye. Guliolopez (talk) 18:46, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

This article is not the same as the Johnny Doran case, my point was that if you look through my history I tried to notify someone with more experience who could check the Johnny family lack of citations over, yet instead this happened towards this in which you say for yourself has noted with citations then the whole thing is nominated for deletion based on some clumsy mistakes. I have made mistakes on a few things, I’ve gone back and tried to sort out those things, I would really like to try sort this also.

My point about Johnny was not trying to justifying any wrong as I didn’t commit such. My point was solely instead of going for the actual wrong, with not even one citation, i went back and saw it was left alone and I got a message regarding this work instead in which has been noted, could you please maybe in your spare time help to contribute with your experience to make it at acceptable stage in which it needs to be as it is notable as you said, even if it hasn’t been noted much, it’s still notable and it’s been noted, so it doesn’t deserve deletion based on the manner I conducted myself as new individual. I’m honestly sorry that I have not been very good at these things but I’m keen to further learn and truly believe that like Pave point, ITM, an the traveller women form is notable, that an first Traveller survivor justice group doing a lot of ground work in which has been noted and does deserve a place here.

In regards to COI, I follow the page, I should have said I’ve read pages of the blog also, I ordered the book and then left a review a tried to support it by getting a little team together to help the history however I’m the only one who has been so keen just yet,I just wanted to help the family in which has learning disabilities to record the work they have done as marginalised women in which go a miss through suppression. I have no conflict of interest. I’m just interested in the life’s of other, those like them and gaining justice for Magdalene survivor Travellers and the rich unrecorded history of the Traveller community. I have a interest in those with disabilities also as is why I did the disability activist/actor and extended and made a article on her family but it doesn’t mean I’m a generation of that family also, I just follow her mother on Twitter.

I was doing what you called soapboxing as I was going based around the story in the book when I started this, with added elements of press. Also regarding COI I admired what the organisation had done over a few years and supported them with a like, share, using the tags and slogans, writing to TDs when they called for public help, (Ive also liked a musician, attended his concerts, wore his T shirt and edited his WIKI I’m not sure it’s classified as COI though?) I adored the book for my book club, I left a review and did a further search and then saw there wasn’t much on WIKI about them and wanted to help grow the unrecorded Traveller survivor history and build a group of people with a interest who would help me do so. Along the way I’ve been learning the rules as a new user here who wanted to try write about what Ive come to know. I’ve become more clear cut on this learning journey and now go solely by what’s said in a article I can link rather than what’s in the book. I will try improve it further. I just didn’t understand this community to start with but I’m trying hard to learn and have enjoyed being here and hope to stay here to contribute more. WIKIBB2020 (talk) 20:13, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for your note.

RE: "the whole thing is nominated for deletion based on some clumsy mistakes". Articles are not deleted because of mistakes or individual referencing issues. I have not nominated it for deletion because of small mistakes. Mistakes (big and small) can generally be fixed. Including referencing mistakes. Which can be fixed by deleting the unreferenced text. Articles themselves are, however, deleted where there is no evidence that the subject is notable. Of the various reasons for deleting an article, this is the most common reason for deletion. In this case, the organisation would need to demonstrate notability under the notability criteria for organisations. I do not see this notability criteria it met. So I opened the AfD discussion thread. To ask other project contributors to comment on my interpretation of the criteria. If others agree, then the article will be deleted. Not because of (fixable) formatting issues. But because of (fundamental) notability issues. If others do not agree, then the article will not be deleted. In the meantime, any other issues or mistakes can be fixed. (Notability issues cannot be "fixed". We cannot make something notable.)

RE: "I have no conflict of interest". OK. If you say so, then that's fine. In all honesty, however, it is unusual for an unconnected new editor to create articles on every member or generation of almost an entire family. It is unusual. And is also (COI or not) something that isn't normally appropriate.

RE: "I’m trying hard to learn and have enjoyed being here and hope to stay here to contribute more". Great. Fantastic. Please consider reading the policies around how the notability of organisations and notability of people is measured. Including the guidelines which suggest that, if all the coverage of an organisation or group of people relates to one thing of event, then that should be covered in an article about the event. Not in individual articles about everyone who was involved in it.

Cheers. Guliolopez (talk) 20:59, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

I understand how it can be perceived that way. I brought the book before lockdown and saw this a interesting hobby to uptake as expressed I was hoping to get more friends who would get involved with my project idea around the knowledge we learned as our chosen book about Traveller community however I haven’t yet see much results to my invites and those who did I think like me they have found it hard to navigate the system. I created members of the disabled activist family also as I have a interest in marginalised women’s life’s, the institutions and also now a interest in helping to expand on the knowledge within this community.

I’ve read the guidelines and would you not agree the organisation is a “interest group” in which has been noted by reliable sources? WIKIBB2020 (talk) 22:03, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi. I'm not really sure I understand what you are saying. Yes, the group is probably an "interest group". But, no, that doesn't make them notable. (Not all interest groups are automatically notable.) And, no, the sources do not establish notability. Frankly, the available sources barely support the text. Not to mind supporting a claim to notability. The subject organisation is only mentioned (in passing) in the available sources. Passing mentions do not establish notability. Sources which establish notability are those which represent significant coverage. Sources which establish notability are those which address the topic directly and in detail. None of the available sources do that. Most of the sources don't even mention the subject. At all. Guliolopez (talk) 01:11, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Angela Collins

The article Angela Collins has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Fails WP:VICTIM, WP:GNG and WP:1E. An estimated 30,000 women and girls were (shamefully and appallingly) confined to Magdalene Laundries in Ireland. It is not appropriate for us to have an article on each. Or an article on just one such victim.

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There is also a article on a holocaust survivors among the community, with very little citations? It’s appropriate when they are notable and have been on many occasions? Yet there are articles among the community who played a whistle. Has one citation article. There is thousands of them also?

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Please do not remove maintenance templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Justice 4 All Women & Children, without resolving the problem that the template refers to, or giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your removal of this template does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Thank you. Elizium23 (talk) 08:56, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Did you see my edit previous to the revert, while reading through the citations? As this revert is a mistake. Thank you. WIKIBB2020 (talk) 09:04, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes, and it indicates that you have no idea why the maintenance templates were placed, even though they include a reason. Elizium23 (talk) 09:24, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

No I fully understand them. The founders are mentioned and they were lobbying for what the organisation expects. WIKIBB2020 (talk) 09:31, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

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I see you have added a lot of content on this article. You are new and just getting used to being on here. Wikipedia is a formal encyclopedia, so on the article we should use Doherty instead of Paddy. Arnkellow (talk) 14:13, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Sorry thank you for informing me, I will change this straight away. WIKIBB2020 (talk) 14:27, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

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