User talk:Vizjim/Archive/Archive 01

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Thanks!

You're comment about Victoria Beckham on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Suzanne Khan made me laugh out loud - thank you very much! --Celestianpower ^hab 22:26, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Comics Collaboration of the Fortnight

As a member of WikiProject Comics, I thought you might be interested in the Comics Collaboration of the Fortnight we have set up. Please feel free to vote on the articles listed, although bear in mind that a vote for a particular article means you are pledging to help improve the article. The goal of the collaboration is to improve articles to Featured Article status, <script type="text/javascript" src="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Omegatron/monobook.js/addlink.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s"></script>as we feel Comics is under-represented in that area. Thanks for your help. Steve block talk 16:02, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Public school (UK)

Request for comment re Talk:Public school (UK). There is unreasonable resistance to acknowledging Scottish linguistic differences.--Mais oui! 09:03, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Comics collaboration

Hi. Forgive the cut and paste briskness of this message, but you voted at the Comics Collaboration of the Fortnight for Comics, which has now become the current collaboration. Please help to improve it in any way you can. First up we have discovered it might be best to discuss improvements on the talk page, and perhaps create a To-do list. Anyway, thanks for your help. Steve block talk 19:44, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

a heads-up on the List of Guantanamo Bay detainees

Greetings,

Since you voted to keep the article List of Guantanamo Bay detainees I thought I would give you a "heads-up". A copyright violation was filed against the article, on October 11th. It was filed by someone who had voted to delete the article on October 5th.

I believe that the copyright violation is entirely bogus. I believe it is bogus because, as explained in Feist Publications v. Rural Telephone Service, lists of facts, like lists of names, cannot be copyright. This Feist v. Rural case went all the way to the US Supreme Court, which made the possibly counter-intuitive ruling that the amount of effort someone put in to compiling a list plays no role in determining whether that list is eligible for copyright protection.

Even if alphabetic lists of names could be copyright, I believe the wikipedia list would not be violating copyright since the list was compiled from various sources.

Yes, I have considered that this user invoked a bogus copyright violation to achieve a result that failed in the {AfD}. Yes, I asked them to terminate the copyright violation process, in light of Feist v Rural. They declined. The backlog in the administrators dealing with copyright violations seems to be on the order of a month long.

Anyhow, I wanted the people who had shown interest in the article to not freak out, or feel betrayed, by seeing the copyright violation tag. -- Geo Swan 11:38, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Cherie Booth

Hello it is quite a well known fact that she is a relative of J W Booth, it is mentioned in her father's article Tony_Booth, please see this google search [1]. I have readded the information. Arniep 21:28, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

British comic

You voted for British comic to be the comics collaboration, and since it now is, we'd appreciate your help in working on it to get it to Featured article status. Please discuss what needs to be done on Talk:British comic#Collaboration and thanks in advance. Steve block talk 14:22, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Alan Barnes (disambiguation)

Hi. Is Alan Barnes (comics) intended as a different person from Alan Barnes (writer)? Just checking because the latter edits comics too. Thanks. --Whouk (talk) 13:40, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

I've expanded that entry and added a link to his 2000AD profile to help clarify (Emperor 15:41, 27 February 2006 (UTC))

Nasdijj - what next?

Thanks for your kind words on the Nasdijj article. It is indeed a fascinating and bizarre story, and at the moment I'm trying to figure out what could possibly happen next. I'm also trying to think of a way to include an NPOV characterization of his wife and her blog on autism (and the few other writings, including at least one about her husband, on the 'Net). The blog is a disconcerting series of deadpan vignettes about supposed interactions with autistic children; each is written in a flat, affectless style that repeatedly includes phrases like, "he had autism," as if that were the learning experience she took away from the incident -- odd only because, since the context itself is autism, it seems redundant. The writing is wholly different from Naddijj/Barrus's, but equally unsettling and obsessive. Robertissimo 06:25, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Vizjim -- just wanted to thank you for your support regarding the Nasdijj article. I've now restored an overhauled version and I think it's much improved, although the subject apparently thinks it still drips with "maliciousness and lies." Robertissimo 05:54, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

How do you figure that neither Dan Dare nor Judge Dredd are Superheroes?

Do you really think that Marvelman would rate as the most famous British superhero in a survey conducted in the UK? Glennh70 15:25, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Tourism in Uzbekistan

Vizjim, please see my reply on Talk:Tourism in Uzbekistan regards, FloNight ^talk 14:42, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:Caballistics inc.jpeg

This media may be deleted.

Thanks for uploading Image:Caballistics inc.jpeg. I notice the 'image' page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is therefore unclear. If you have not created this media yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to use the media on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the media yourself then you should also specify where you found it, i.e., in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page.

If the media also doesn't have a copyright tag then you must also add one. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then you can use {{GFDL-self}} to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the media qualifies as fair use, please read fair use, and then use a tag such as {{Non-free fair use in|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair_use. See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other media, please check that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Shyam ^(T/C) 23:21, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Vizjim, thanks for providing source and tag to the image. Previous information seemed to be incomplete. -- Shyam ^(T/C) 08:27, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Three forms of mathematical induction

This article was intended to be comprehensible to all mathematicians.

It was not intended to teach mathematical induction. It was not intended to explain what mathematical induction is, nor how to use it.

What I see is (mostly) a bunch of non-mathematicians looking at the stub form in which the article appeared when it was nominated from deletion, and seeing that

• It was not comprehensible to ordinary non-mathematicians who know what mathematical induction is, and

• The article titled mathematical induction is comprehensible to ordinary non-mathematicians, even those who know --- say --- secondary-school algebra, but have never heard of mathematical induction.

And so I have now expanded the article far beyond the stub stage, including

• Substantial expansion and organization of the introductory section.

• Two examples of part of the article that is probably hardest to understand to those who haven't seen these ideas.

• An prefatory statement right at the top, saying that this article is NOT the appropriate place to try to learn what mathematical induction is or how to use it, with a link to the appropriate article for that. It explains that you need to know mathematical induction before you can read this article.

Therefore, I invite those who voted to delete before I did these recent de-stubbing edits, to reconsider their votes in light of the current form of the article.

(Nothing like nomination for deletion to get you to work on a long-neglected stub article!) Michael Hardy 23:24, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Michael Dorris

Hi! I think you're right about that section header. What do you think of just "Criticism"? Since that's really what it is. Although that could be misinterpreted as "literary criticism" as opposed to critics of Dorris.

Sadly, I've only read Morning Girl and The Broken Cord but I'll fill out what I can. Deborah-jl _Talk 03:33, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Denvilles

Unisouth is an annoying little brat (I assume he is male and young): his spelling is atrocious, he put a number of vanity articles up, he removed {{disputed}} and {{AfD}} tags and he has put up a copvio image with an invalid license tag. Despite all that I am pleased that you have found the reference to rescue Denvilles railway station.

I found the same story of the battle at http://www.semg.org.uk/location/havant_02.html (and Unisouth has also now found it) but because it did not mention Denvilles by name, I did not make the connection. If Unisouth is right about the ruins he has found, he has actually added a small nugget of railway history which is not documented elsewhere. -- RHaworth 06:33, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

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My objection isn't to combined lists that include both American and Canadian figures — my objection is to the list title "Native Americans", because that isn't appropriate terminology for a person from a Canadian First Nation. "Native American" is not generally accepted as an umbrella term for North and South American native/aboriginal peoples anywhere outside of the United States; that usage is deprecated in Canada, for example, precisely because it's ambiguous as to whether it means "of the Americas" or "of the United States". I'm fine with a transnational list, if that's the objective, but if that's going to happen the list has to be moved to a more inclusive title. Bearcat 17:55, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Comic Expo & Rogue

I'll be going to Bristol (are you too?) and have started a list of 2000AD people we may be able to get a photo of to expand their entry - see here

Also there is a bit of a move to create more Rogue Trooper entries and so I start a discussion on the talk page. (Emperor 15:27, 6 May 2006 (UTC))

Re: British small press comics amends

There is Wikipedia:Avoid self-references. Although this situation is not explicitly mentioned there, I have seen other editors remove links to the user namespace. I can see how these actions might have just been interpretive, though. Do you think we should ask for clarification? Ardric47 20:07, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Pete is a Wikipedia editor though, and mentioning his user page is therefore self-referential. Whether that is ok or not, I don't really know, so I've asked at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Self-references (Articles Linking to User Pages). Ardric47 21:57, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Re : Charlie Murphy's True Hollywood Stories: Rick James

Just go ahead and nominate it again, like how any other articles are nominated. If you need assistance in the process, this may be useful in helping you to do so. - Best regards, Mailer Diablo 14:24, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi. I'm not voting 'keep' because of a suspicion of politicking. I genuinely think that if we're going to have an encyclopedia that doesn't mind including articles on popular culture, then this article belongs in it. I mean, we have articles on individual songs in here, so why not individual sketches? - Richardcavell 22:06, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Comment

I have moved you "keep" from the end of your remark to the beginning in keeping with the flow of discussion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Suicide_methods/2#.5B.5BSuicide_methods.5D.5D Hope you did not mind. :P Navou ^talk

Dentroid

I took the liberty of reverting the talk page for Dentroid. As you can see by the history, some vandal attributed statements to you that you never made. Fluit 22:08, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Evstigney Fomin

Thanks for the correction of the article Evstigney Fomin. Could you look to it again after all my corrections, Please? Thank you very much.(Meladina 12:15, 16 May 2006 (UTC))

You are right. It has to be a stepfather. Thanks! (Meladina 12:56, 16 May 2006 (UTC))

tee hee

Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 15:43, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

AFD

Thanks for the support - IMO it is articles like this that make Wikipedia easy targets for academic snobs. Let's hope we are not alone in our beliefs... Batmanand | Talk 11:12, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Behzad Ghorbani

You wanted to be pinged if information that he was not a hoax showed up. It showed up; he's not a hoax (though I suspect still not notable). Take a look. AnonEMouse 13:45, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Egg McMuffin

Hi there. I have mixed feelings about turning Egg McMuffin into a redirect to Egg Sandwich. These feelings stem mostly from the fact that Egg McMuffin is a trademarked food item. What are your thoughts? --Takeel 16:42, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: your response on my talk page, I'm usually all for taking small articles and combining them into others when necessary. However, I look around Wikipedia and note that things like Big Mac and even Arch Deluxe have solo articles rather than being a part of Hamburger. Egg McMuffin really did revolutionize fast food by bringing more attention to breakfast fast food, so it is at least notable to that extend. Maybe we need a third opinion. --Takeel 02:32, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for fixing [2] my mistake up.--blue520 12:02, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

User:DGX/listcruft

Thank you for participating in User:DGX/listcruft. The descision has been posted. Thanks again! DGX 13:35, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Heya Vizjim

I'm just sending a quick email to you... Gordon Cheng is a very notable person in Sydney Anglican circles. The reason the Herald took the opportunity to quote him was because he is a senior editor of the Briefing, a monthly Christian magazine. Anyway, I respect your decision to vote delete, but I must respectfully disagree. - Ta bu shi da yu 13:48, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Request

I would like to bring something to your attention (a proposed deletion of a wikipedia article) and would like to request your help.

I think you might have a good understanding of the issues involved. Please look at the article: India_Basher and views about its proposed deltion: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/India_Basher. I am hoping to save the article.

I believe that those supporting deletion of the article are not familiar with the subject. With your perspective of the world, I think you can make an informed decision about value of the article.

I will be happy to answer any questions about its accuracy. I will appreciate if you can share your thoughts at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/India_Basher.

Thank you.

--Cardreader 22:26, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I found your AfD rationale construct disgusting

I still do. And I explained why. Very civilised. --Francis Schonken 15:18, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Please, indeed, support your assumptions by quotes. You only quoted WP:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_an_indiscriminate_collection_of_information. List of fictional rulers doesn't fall in any of the 9 descriptions of that guideline section. Then you apparantly had a fit when writing "The subject is unlimited, or at any rate any attempt to produce something approaching a comprehensive list would involve terabytes of information." Please support that nonsense by a quote or remove it. --Francis Schonken 15:45, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Garth Ennis

Hi I know your focus has wandered from 2000AD recently but I was seeking your input on my proposal for merging Garth Ennis work for 2000 A.D./Judge Dredd with the main Garth Ennis entry to help resolve the matter one way or ther other. (Emperor 21:15, 31 May 2006 (UTC))

Frazer Irving photo

Oh all my cunning plans went down the drain when I realised I'd got the date wrong so it was all very hurried I'm afraid. Fraze shot past at one point but I don't think he stayed still all weekend!! I did get piccies of Team FutureQuake and Michael Molcher (and have uploaded the forem to their entry). Simplest thing is just to ask Fraze for a photo - I did an interview with him a while back and have his email address. In the nearish future I'll post a note over on the 2000AD forum to get extra hands and to get people to check through their entries, etc. Man hands make light work after all ;) (Emperor 13:34, 1 June 2006 (UTC))

Eyüp Sabri Kartal

Delete. The claim that he is a governer is unsourced and does not appear to be supported by a Google search. If proven, I will change my vote, though all of the Wikipedia-specific content should go anyway. Vizjim 15:26, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

• I can assure you that he is as claimed. For example, if you click on the external link and go to the bottom, you will find a newspaper clipping (from the local newspaper Günebakış) in which you see the phrase: "İlce Kaymakamı Eyüp Sabri Kartal", which is Turkish for "District Governor Eyüp Sabri Kartal". --3210 17:06, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
• The verifiable information that he is a regional governor: It is enough to search in Google for "Beşikdüzü Kaymakam" (name of the province + "governor" in Turkish language); you get e.g. this: [1] (a newspaper). I think that this is beyond a reasonable doubt. Of course it is true, that his province is a small one. But IMHO still enough to fulfill WP:BIO somewhat. Here in the Europe/Near East region, all things are smaller than in the States :-) Even better is to Google for "Beşikdüzü Kaymakamı", which makes it proper Turkish.--3210 17:11, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Arab Cinema Article

Hi, Vizjim. Glad there is someone out there who appreciated the piece. As you may have noticed it is actually an essay written for college that I quickly reworked and posted on Wikipedia. I am a great admirer of the Wikipedia project and have always wanted to submit to it and thought that this would be my chance, unfortunately I am an absolute newbie in terms of writing NPOV articles (actually I have qualms with the term itself and think it is an impossibility but that's beside the point). I would be glad to rework this piece properly with sage guidance. I think the first step is to ask if there is anything salvageable from the piece itself? --Thisisthepope 17:40, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Judge Dredd merges

There are some entries up for merging and sorting on the Judge Dredd talk page and I'd appreciate your input on what is worth having a stand alone entry. (Emperor 03:29, 17 June 2006 (UTC))

2000 AD category renaming

I have had to disagree with the renaming [3] but only on broader grounds - the name of the entry is 2000 AD (comic) and so the ctageories are named accordingly. What it does highlight is something that has been niggling me for a while - it should be 2000AD (comic) - if we fix this then we can rename all the categories. So i don't think its a bad idea I just don't think it can be done given the current naming system but I think the current naming system is wrong. I have started a discussion on the talk page and hopefully we can get this sorted. (Emperor 14:03, 18 June 2006 (UTC))

I've had a quick check and "2000 AD" seems to be the main usage (even if not in my mind - but thankfully the world doesn't work that way even if it'd be much more fun) so I'd have to say we stick to it as two words until Tharg changes his mind ;) (Emperor 23:19, 18 June 2006 (UTC))

Category:2000 AD creators

I delisted the speedy rename request for this, as the main article is under 2000 AD (comic) (as opposed to 2000AD (comic), suggesting this is the correct name. If the article is wrong, you may want to correct it first, give it a few days, then relist on speedy renames. You can still list this this at WP:CFD for non-speedy renaming. — xaosflux ^Talk 17:54, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Friday merge

It has been put up for merging - you can drop your opinions into the Rogue Trooper talk page (Emperor 14:42, 20 June 2006 (UTC))

Might as well take the opportunity to point you in the direction of the Nikolai Dante merges (there is now a section on the 2000 AD talk page to help make sure there isn't too much wasted effort making these entries and then having to merge them again) (Emperor 15:30, 25 June 2006 (UTC))

And some other merges proposed - Krool and Nu-Earth (the discussion is on the relevant pages to be merged with). (Emperor 14:44, 6 July 2006 (UTC))

Cyprus

I just noticed you are living there at the moment - I was born out there. Hope you are enjoying the old place - I've not been back since the Turks invaded. (Emperor 14:42, 20 June 2006 (UTC))

A kept man eh? Sounds great ;)

Although the whole ScotteNestle business is odd (and avoidable) but I've had disagreements with people on things and it hasn't put me off. The only thing that could stop me is all my free time disappearing but it is a great resource that I use all the time and it has saved me hours of research and opened up new and interesting areas so it'd be rude not to try and give a little back if I can (in the process it has also helped me get a lot of details straight in m ind which is helpful). If I see a looming period of zero free time then I'll probably throw out as many stubs (esp. the list of 2000 AD creators and titles that still need doing) as it might prompt other people to fill in the blanks. (Emperor 15:30, 25 June 2006 (UTC))

Ed Berridge, Matt Timson, Paul Scott, Mike Molcher, etc

I don't agree - Ed and Matt (the msot contentious of the 4) survived a vote of deletion so Wikipedians agree they have notability. I'd go by this: "Published authors, editors and photographers who received multiple independent reviews of or awards for their work" - they have had independent reviews and some awards (although one might gt bogged down in how notable you cosndier those) - more so than, for example, some of the 2000 AD artists and writers who have their own entries (and I would argue are prefectly notable). Also hasn't PVS been profiled in the latest Megazine (I'm going to go and but it later) whcih is quite a big thing. I also know some of them are working on other projects that would probably mean I'd have to remove the redirects and update the entries there. So I'd strongly recommend no doing that, (Emperor 11:06, 29 June 2006 (UTC))

Blocking AOL IP

I have no idea what you're talking about. I haven't blocked anything in a couple of days now... - CrazyRussian talk/email 11:41, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Haunani-Kay Trask

I included the following note on the discussion page when I removed the tag, "Native Hawaiians (in Hawaiian, kanaka [oiwi or kanaka māoli) are the Polynesian peoples of the Hawaiian Islands who trace their ancestry back to Marquesan and possibly Tahitian settlers. As such, Ms. Trask would not be considered to be Native North American." The first sentence I cut and pasted from the Wikipedia article on Native Hawaiians. Anyway, that was the reasoning I used to remove the tag.

Best of luck on attaining your PhD, and cheers! --Cafe Irlandais 19:52, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Page move

Please, use the page move feature to change the title of a page. Do NOT "copy and paste" the collaborative work of various editors to a new title. This is important as it violates GFDL author atribution. See Wikipedia:How to rename (move) a page for details. Please fix this, and feel free to ask for help if you need it with cleaning up. Thanks, -- Infrogmation 02:25, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I fixed this one myself. Please be more careful in the future. If you have made any other mistaken "copy & pastes" instead of actual page moves, please let me know if you need help in cleaning them up. Thanks, -- Infrogmation 17:41, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your promt attention. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 12:04, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Article length

Not me I'm afraid - had a look at the article an reclassified it - but the editor I think who made the unsigned comments to which you refer was Kipruss3 (talk · contribs). thanks :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 09:56, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

3RR

I am already familiar with the 3RR and have not violated it. However, I reserve the right to revert as I please. I have removed your spam from my talk page.--HQCentral 18:52, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

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Films based on comic books

I'd appreciate your input on this [4] as it has me stumped on how to actually fix it and am seeking some advice. (Emperor 22:43, 4 August 2006 (UTC))

Splitting 2000 AD entry

Just a quick note to say the 2000AD entry is too long and some bits would make sense in their own entries. I've skecthed out my ideas [5] and would appreciate your thoughts on the matter (I have created example entries in my sandbox and the more I think about it the more solid I think it is as some parts of he entry don't deal with 2000 AD matters but touch on things across the 2000 AD Universe). (Emperor 00:04, 25 August 2006 (UTC))

Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/9/11:_Press_for_Truth

Hi: I think your comment on the AfD was correct. In particular I don't find your use of the term "irrelevant" offensive or any such. We do disagree about this particular conspiracy theory it seems, though that probably shouldn't be relevant either. The discussion of "good faith" is perhaps the most imporant part of this discussion. I don't know if you've followed the AfDs, but being in the minority position I can attest that I percieve something of a witch hunt going on. I won't name names, but when I see an administrator making dismissive, really, I think, arrogant comments about this particular movie, I don't know how to assume good faith. I see a concerted pattern of aggressive exclusionary editing. Kaimiddleton 18:58, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

2000 AD Universe up for deletion

2000 AD Universe has been put up for deletion - we'd appreciate input on the discussion to gain as balanced a view as possible (Emperor 22:04, 19 September 2006 (UTC))

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Thanks, you too...I caught it after seeing your reversion of the other one on my watchlist. Bearcat 19:59, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

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Ooooooo you tease ;) (Emperor 14:33, 30 September 2006 (UTC))

House Made of Dawn

Yes, I've seen it. I have no idea why HQCentral doesn't do it, since he's here; and I haven't read the book or the entire analysis, so I can't make a summary myself. Let's try to contact him, and, if that fails, make even a stubby subsection, or just "see also". CP/M ^comm |Wikipedia Neutrality Project| 21:59, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

So now we seem to have House Made of Dawn (analysis), which looks like a good essay, but doesn't look like a Wikipedia article to me. I've had my own run-in with HQCentral in the past, and finally yielded (to intimidation rather than force of argument) because it wasn't worth the fight, so I have no interest in engaging with him again. Shouldn't something like that be moved to Wikibooks or Wikiversity? - Jmabel | Talk 04:54, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Re your remarke: Utterly. I don't want to drive out someone whose positive contributions are so positive, but it is clear that he must have and ego the size of Canada, and has no interest in accepting consensus about the nature of the project. - Jmabel | Talk 16:10, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I followed the trail of bread crumbs (i.e. mediation links) here, and just want to let you know that I tagged the aforementioned "analysis" article for deletion, HQ untagged it as "rv", someone else tagged it again, and yet another user (JonAus, just created on Sept 29), conveniently removed the tag with an the edit summary of "link". In case anyone wants to follow up on HQ...It's a minor nuisance, but who knows where he might go next...?? ♥ Her Pegship♥ 05:26, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Seems like I'll need to help with explaining or moving to Wikibooks... I'll join the discussion now. CP/M ^comm |Wikipedia Neutrality Project| 12:08, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi Viz - I have placed it on my watchlist. Many hands make light work...! Her Pegship 17:11, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

No prob; if it returns we can use {{Move to Wikibooks}} on it, but it sounds like CP/M might have prevailed as well. Cheers! Her Pegship 15:16, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the star, and nice job on the Jim Northrup article. Are you into Louise Erdrich? Currently there's an article called Pauline Puyat that I think could be made into a larger article on Erdrich's characters. I love the books, but I'm not familiar enough with literature terms and such to write a good article. Leo1410 22:56, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Surnames

I don't have any objection to cleaning out some of the surname pages but any that are put up for AFD on the basis that this one was "deleted" will probably be speedily kept - removal or inclusion of a similar article is not a basis for establishing whether an article should exist. I suspect that the vast majority of those pages need cleaning up, merging, or disambiguating and hence shouldn't be brought to AFD anyway. Cheers, Yomangani^talk 13:57, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Ward Churchill

Hi there. I note that on the talk page for the Native American Studies page you've called, quite strongly, for Ward Churchill's removal. While fully agreeing that the man is a fraud in many ways, I don't think you can take away from his being one of the most quoted professors within the discipline, and therefore deserving to be mentioned in the article regardless of his political opinions or racial origins (all of which is pretty well covered in various places on Wikipedia. Would it be OK with you if that particular talk page comment were removed? Anyone who clicks through to Churchill's article will be pretty quickly made aware of the controversies and idiocies surrounding the guy. Vizjim 10:19, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello, Vizjim. Thank you for the note. Your style is out of touch with normal Wikipedian style, which requires someone without any knowledge or understanding of a particular area to come in without disucssion and completely rip apart the work of tens of other people that came before them and twist the article into an unreadable POV mess. For that, I thank you. As to Ward Churchill, my problem with him is that I have had personal experience with the man and I know for a fact that he is not an Indian. He is a fraud. He is a fake Indian and he has used his fake Indian status to gain entry into various career positions based upon his fake Indian status. (Would he have qualified for tenure at the University of Colorado without his fake Indian status? No.) Now, he has made some outlandish claims about the folks that were in the WTC and according many, many misguided anarchists, anti-Americans, and others of leftist backgrounds, who do not and will never have an real understanding of American Indian lifestyle or life, have come to his defense and are making outlandish arguments that whether Churchill is a real Indian or not is irrelevant and petty. These folks who defend him, who are not native or even remotely tied to native life, do not give a tinker's damn whether Churchill is stealing jobs and grants from qualified, smarter and more dedicated American Indian people. They do not care that Ward Churchill has been abusing Indian people for 20 years before the WTC comments. All they know and all they care about is that one of their own, an anti-American academic, is being criticized they will stop at nothing to defend him and they will ignore his fake American Indian heritage and his bullying of American Indian people for 20 years. Do NOT get me wrong: I do not believe that someone needs to be American Indian to be a Native American scholar, but any one who enters this field MUST have a basic respect for American Indians and they should not, if they are not, hold themselves out as American Indian. I will give you an example of the ludicrousness of the whole Wikipedia process. It is dominated by people that have the time and inclination to write and edit on various topics. In one of the Ward Churchill articles, Churchill defends himself by attacking a true Native American scholar who called Churchill to the carpet. Now, that is a big deal because Churchill is ruthless and he not only writes nasty things about his critics but he has been known to personally threaten those with which he does not agree. Now, Wikipedia is supposed to be concerned about what is written about LIVING PERSONS (WP talk:LIVING), correct? And I assume that is why you have asked for my permission to remove my comments about Ward Chruchill. But the problem that I see is a double standard. These leftists of various shapes and sizes believe that it is ok to repeat Churchill's nasty personal ad hominem attacks on his critics. For example, in the article where the various allegations against Churchill are outlined (See Misconduct Facts & Allegations), one of the editors demands that Churchill's personal ad hominem attack on the work of John P. LaVelle, a professor of Indian law at the University of New Mexico (See LaVelle's New Mexico bio), be included in the article. LaVelle has a stronger and deeper education than Churchill, not only from a work experience standpoint, but an academic one also. LaVelle has worked in the past on actual Indian reservations, something that Churchill has never done. LaVelle IS native and not just a fake Indian, like Churchill. LaVelle has a doctorate and Churchill only has a master's from a bankrupt school. But Churchill's simplistic, moronic Citation Index argument (Churchill basically in a childish way states, "I've got more cites than you do!) is still in the article. Also, the Churchill quote in the article is NOT even correct. Churchill claims that LaVelle's work has NEVER been quoted. But Churchill later admits that LaVelle has been quoted. Why is this quote in the article? According to Wikipedia rules, the quote should not be in the article. It violates Wikipedia policy is several ways. It is a direct personal attack on a living person. See WP talk:LIVING. It is verifiably incorrect. Churchill later admits that he did not state the facts correctly. LaVelle HAS been quoted and Churchill states that LaVelle has not--that violates WP:V (verifiability). Also, the article then quotes Robert Odawi Porter, a professor of Indian law at Syracuse University. See Porter's Syracruse bio. Now, the Porter quote ("happy face on colonalism") is taken out of an exchange of ideas between LaVelle and Porter in an issue of the University of Kansas law review. See Porter's Reply to LaVelle. The articles in the KU law review were a discussion of the proper role of American Indian lawyers in today's society. There was NO disucssion of Churchill and the "happy face" comment was made in the context of all American Indian lawyers. The "happy face" quote has NOTHING to do with Ward Churchill or a defense of Ward Churchill. The series of articles do not mention Ward Churchill once. However, Wikipedia being what Wikipedia is then if one editor is viligent and unrelenting then that editor gets what that editor wants in a particular article. One particular editor of the Ward Churchill articles rules over the Ward Churchill articles with an iron fist and he decides what will go in and what will be taken out. This particular editor has no real experience in Indian Country. He is neither on American Indian and he has no formal training or work experience in the area. However, he is a leftist (and all of these characteristics come directly from his talk page) and he finds Churchill to be a brilliant academic (once again, this is based upon comments that he has made on various talk pages). That is fine. He has a right to his opinion, but there is a double standard at work here. Churchill's attack on LaVelle violates a least a couple of Wikipedia policies and it stays in the article. And the "happy face" quote is not relevant, it is not notable, and it borders on original research (WP:NOR No Original Research), but yet the "happy face" quote remains. Two attacks on LaVelle because LaVelle had the temerity to criticize Churchill, an avowed anti-American. The quotes are NOT encyclopedic, but do not dare to attempt to remove them or put them in context because I have attempted to do that before and this particular editor will bring in other folks that are either friends or fellow leftists and rip you if you attempt to clean up the article to true Wikipedia standards. These quotes do NOT in any way meet Wikipedia standards, but yet they remain. I do not know what you opinion is on this topic but I would sure like to hear it. Have a good day!--Getaway 14:23, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

By the way, professors LaVelle and Porter both deserve an article about them as Native American scholars, more so than the hack Ward Churchill.--Getaway 14:31, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Native American studies

Dear Vizjim: One thing that could come out of our discussion is that you have struck my interest in developing the section on Native American studies. I believe that there are more educated, more experienced, more dedicated professors in Indian Country than Churchill, but unfortunately they do not get the coverage and recognition that they deserve because they are over-shadowed by the cheap clown-like antics of the fraud Churchill. Also, keep in mind the two professors that I mentioned above are not conservatives like me. Just like you they do not agree with my politics at all. If you read their discussion of the role of American Indian lawyers in society, of which I'm one, the terms of the debate between them is whether is it best to follow the democratic socialist route or the communist route. The tradional conservative route is not even a serious choice in their minds. However, that being said I still find that they are great teachers and both bring a great amount of enthusiasm to their work. There are others like them and I am going to try to focus my Wikipedia time to developing this area. My question for you is what criteria have you been using to list folks in that section?--Getaway 14:36, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Nation-building

Back in May you left me a note about the article on Nation-building. I've been out of Wikipedia since April, when I came back to Beijing. As you may know, access to Wikipedia from China has only been recently restored.

I'd be delighted if someone could rewrite the article. At the time I added the information on nation-building in a post-colonial context, I think I had a rather cavalier attitude to information and sources. I wouldn't do the same thing now. Bathrobe 09:38, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Native American Studies

Yes, this is an area that definitely needs the attention of conscientious and knowledgeable editors. I came late to that page and haven't had much to do with the choice of notable scholars, other than adding Gerald Vizenor to the list. At least he's not disputable! To be upfront: my interest in the area stems from being a doctoral student working on Native American literature (actually working mainly on the 'fake Native' phenomenon), and my knowledge base is almost exclusively literary. Somebody adding bio's for significant professors dealing with legal issues would be fantastic. If you are going to concentrate on this area I would recommend looking at the Indigenous peoples of North America project, and of course the professor test. Wikipedia's whole notion of notability I find troublesome, as it seems almost designed to maintain a lowest common denominator form of acceptability - but then again, it's not my club and I don't make the rules. Out of interest, what's your tribal affiliation? Best, Vizjim 05:23, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I will take your recommendations. I am an enrolled member of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma. Since your know this area, you have not missed the differences between myself and a fake Indian. I pointed out that I am an "enrolled" member, meaning that I have provied documentation that my mother and my grandfather and grandmother were also "enrolled" members of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma, a very simple thing that many fake Indian such as Churchill cannot provide. You can read about our tribal chief (and a friend of mine) here: Chad "Corntassel" Smith. You can follow the links at the bottom of that article to read about our previous Chiefs, also. Cheers!--Getaway 12:07, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Diane Benson

Have done the rewrite - thought you'd like a heads-up. Vizjim 10:34, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. You can see my comments on the deletion page. Basically, although I agree your rewrite is good, it still doesn't satisfy the notability criteria. If she is notable mostly for her work on Elizabeth Peratrovich, shouldn't we have articles on those things first? Vectro 15:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not happy with the decision to delete this article. First, it seems awfully rushed through, as though there was some sort of short time limit to find relevant information (I've never encountered this on any other article that I've worked on--people seem generally happy to let a person work on something slowly); second, there aren't all that many Tlingit authors out there, period; and third, politically speaking, Benson is the highest-polling contender to Don Young in something like ten years, I think (not sure about that). I'm not sure what to do about this at this point; I suppose I just want to gripe a little. Perhaps later I can ask for a deletion review, depending on what happens in the election, but still, it seems to me her writing and performance history are of note. And I don't see the point of going to all the trouble to write about an author, deleting it, then writing about her subjects, and THEN bringing back the author article. Seems pretty roundabout to me. Grump, grump. Deirdre 22:13, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello again. I've brought this up on the WikiProject Alaska page, and asked User:James Crippen (an expert in Tlingit language studies) to weigh in on her relative importance as a writer and in the Tlingit community. Here's the discussion at WikiProject Alaska. It looks like it will be raised as a deletion review. Deirdre 00:34, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Here's the link to the deletion review, if you'd like to participate. Deirdre 21:48, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[stunned]

Great Jehoshaphat on a Hoppity-hop! That's the worst poetry I've ever seen, and I'm not just saying that as a stock sentence or anything. Wah! Auto movil 12:02, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Paula Gunn Allen

Hello,

Thank you for replacing the Laguna Pueblo reference in the Paula Gunn Allen article. In researching her vitals I kept coming across her birthplace as being Albuquerque with an early move to Cubero. Thanks for clearing it up for me.

[sidebar] Over the years I have worked with many Native American persons; their conflicts have always been overcome by their courage.

Best wishes with your Ph. work.

Michael David 22:31, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Parekh AfD new info

What's a good way to handle this AfD discussion now? Might be clearest to draw a (figurative or HTMLish) line in the discussion at this point of new info and have new comments below. The usual "I've changed my mind" strikeout/annotation might get kinda messy and unfollowable given how fundamentally this new info might affect some opinions. DMacks 06:09, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

RE: Nikhil Parekh AfD

Thanks for the update. I never rendered an opinion, and I'm not planning to. I just tossed a comment on there to give fair warning about the dozen {{cn}} tags I placed on the article and (hopefully) urge interested parties to clean it up because it is not sourced or verified in any appreciable way.--Isotope23 14:23, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Canon and balls

Thanks for the ideas about doing something with the Canon entry. It needs tidying up but your suggestion offers the opportunity to finally sort things out once and for all as there are a lot of problems with it as it currently stands. (Emperor 12:55, 15 November 2006 (UTC))

Brit Wave

It is up for deletion. I have added some resources and proposed a move to address the issues raised. I'd appreciate any input you have. (Emperor 16:20, 15 November 2006 (UTC))

• It is a neologism under the term "Brit Wave". I've tidied the article up, because I have honestly never seen Nick Abadzis referred to as part of the British Invasion. At some point I will dig out my Comics Journal which covers this period and expand the article a bit. Steve block Talk 14:23, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

OK great. There is more info in Gravett's new book but I haven't got it. Jim you wouldn't have it yet would you? (Emperor 19:10, 17 November 2006 (UTC))

I have it here on top of my monitor but I've only flicked through it as yet. Hang on. Steve block Talk 21:17, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Nope, it's all about comics published in Britain, I can't find a mention of the invasion at all and DC aren't listed in the index either. Watchmen gets one mention in a bio of Moore. Steve block Talk 21:25, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Peer review

A request for a peer review of New Universe has been made at Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Peer review/New Universe. I'd appreciate your comments on the article, hopefully it will kickstart the comics project's peer review process. To comment, please add a new section (using ==== [[User:Your name|Your name]] ====) for your comments, in order to keep multiple responses legible. Steve block Talk 22:13, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

The Washington Post article

Thanks for letting me know about that article in the Post. Would have been nice if the quote had been attributed, though, LOL. --CJ Marsicano 20:51, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

• I'm a fan of hers (have been for about ten years), so that would have been pretty cool, LOL --CJ Marsicano 21:03, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations on your porn-related fame. We all knew it would happen one day ;) (Emperor 14:56, 9 December 2006 (UTC))

Jimbo Wales on MySpace

Hello Vizjim. The MySpace link appears to be an impersonator of sorts, as confirmed last month on Jimmy's talk page. See User talk:Jimbo Wales/Archive 13#"Jimbo Wales" on MySpace for details.  :) Take care, Can't sleep, clown will eat me 08:22, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thanks for the barnstar! And a mighty woohoo to you! :) --Woohookitty^(meow) 15:07, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello

I am currently clearing out the backlog of Editor reviews. I will start doing your review next. Do you have anything to update? AQu01rius (User &#149; Talk) 05:10, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Editor Review

Okay, I went and did an editor ereview of you. Hope it helped. --Wizardman 16:32, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Editor review

Thanks for having requested an editor review. A month has passed since it has been posted there, and it has been archived. You can find it at Wikipedia:Editor review/Vizjim/Archive/Archive 01, where you may read last minute additions. We would really appreciate your help in reviewing a random editor. If you have any questions, please contact me at my talk page. Ian Manka 08:00, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Aristov's comment

Wikipedia requires people to be WP:CIVIL. Aristov made a comment against me personally, in a dispute on an articles content. I find your reply of "heh" to his attack equally offensive. Either way I will let the comment stay to show future editors the kind of people they are dealing with. Regards, --A.Garnet 19:48, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

List of unusual deaths

May be coming up for AfD yet again; check the talk page. You commented on the last one, so I thought I'd mention it, in case you're interested. - DavidWBrooks 21:39, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi. I must have missed the consensus discussion for the rename of this article. Please can you let me know where I can find it? --Dweller 12:45, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Leslie Marmon Silko

I'd like to see a source for the first half of that sentence, specifically that it was Critiqued for its attitude towards homosexuality (several of the major villains are gay), and for a clumsy rendering of the Popol Vuh, as I brought up on the talk page some time ago. Thanks for looking into it -- Antepenultimate 14:41, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Oof, meant to reply to this sooner. Anyway, a belated thanks for locating the source! Please note that I completely overhauled the Almanac of the Dead page if you feel like adding further info. Again, thanks! -- Antepenultimate 22:43, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Dropping in

Hi Vizjim This is not my first visit to Wikipedia, I posted or edited a few pages back in, um, 2004? Or so. Anyway, my main areas of "expertise" are Canadian literary aboriginals at work today, most specifically poets, though I do range from there. I have an active interest in the area, being a publishing/performing poet, and viewing the world through that particular lens. In my non-web based life, I have been arts organizing on behalf of aboriginal mothers/grandmother who are also artists, as well as subsisting (along with my husband, a painter, and my six up & coming indigenous artists) in Richmond, BC. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SpecificallyJo (talk • contribs) 22:25, 24 February 2007 (UTC).

reply

Hi thanks for comments. I've reinserted a sentence you thought was pov. It is important to note that as Turkey became more involved Greek Cypriots realised enosis was simply unrealistic, and their attention turned to independence instead, I sourced the statement by the way. Second, the non-Greek/Turkish judge refers to a judge outside of Cyprus. In 1963 I believe a West German occupied the position. As for that quote on refugees, i'll see how it can be edited, thanks. --A.Garnet 20:26, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Hello again. The word I used was "unnatainable" not impossible, I really dont see a problem with this. Once Turkey's interest in the island was apparent, as well as Britains reluctance to hand over the island to Greece given Turkey's concern, enosis was simply unachievable, and this was proven in 1974. If you can think of a better wording though be my guest. Thanks, --A.Garnet 21:29, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Sure that's fine. Thanks for correction :) --A.Garnet 21:46, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Looks like a good start Vizjim. A good source to use would be Freedom House report on Cyprus and Northern Cyprus. Cheers, --A.Garnet 18:19, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi, On War Routledge companion to World History, International Conflict: A Chronological Encyclopedia of Conflicts and Their Management, 1945-1995, The Relations of Nations, Family in War and Conflict: Using Social Capital for Survival in War Torn Cyprus,From great hope to scapegoat - US support of the United Nations, The Meaning of Limited War, The Cyprus Question and the Turkish Position in International Law

Sources above use combination of "Cypriot civil war" and "Civil war in Cyprus". I thought the previous title was too drawn out so I tried to find a commonly used name for the events and this is what I came across. Thanks, --A.Garnet 11:05, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Also just to add I am of course going to exclude the invasion, we have enough articles covering the same material, but I will describe some of the worst intercommunal attrocities which happened within days of the invasion, i.e. Tokhni massacres. --A.Garnet 11:19, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes I read a few hours ago about the uncovering of a mass grave in Strovolos, it crossed my mind to include it in the article, probably under a new section entitled "Recent developments", I remember other discoveries like this were made not too long ago also. Without meaning to get too political, I cannot believe a government can claim to be the legitimate authority on the island, and not prosecute whoever was responsible for these crimes. I know of no other EU state who literally lets people get away with mass murder. --A.Garnet 16:44, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

What the TRNC does is no better, and I would rather see those who killed innocents behind bars. But my comment was not about the TRNC, it was how a government who claims to be the morally legitimate authority on the island, the government who is the sole representative of Greek and Turkish Cypriots, how can this government allow murderers to walk its streets freely or keep the known whereabouts of mass graves secret for all these years? You cannot on the one hand say "we are legitimate" and when it suits you go "you are the same as us". --A.Garnet 16:36, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

No I certainly do not recognise the RoC as the legal government of Cyprus. My point is the RoC's sole existence is based on its supposed legitimacy over the TRNC. That they are in fact the true representative of Turkish Cypriots, and that we are a pariah, illegal and occupied territority. Why then, does this "legal government" allow the murderers of Turkish Cypriots to roam its streets knowing full well who they are? Is this how a legal and responsible government is supposed to act? Imo, the RoC has no more legitimacy than the TRNC, especially when their attitude concerning these kind of attrocities is exactly the same. --A.Garnet 18:07, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi Vizjim, i completely missed your message on war songs. I really am not familiar with any Turkish Cypriot war songs, or where to find them. Of course there are the Ottoman Janissary songs (see Ottoman military band), but I dont know if Turkish Cypriots ever adopted these. I'm also sorry for what your wifes family suffered, Cyprus truly was a mess back then (and now). --A.Garnet 17:40, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Sign me "Unsigned"

Having discovered that I am showing bad manners by not signing my note, I've come back to sign off more politely. However, given the sketch I've given of myself in "Dropping in", you will perhaps forgive me for relying on the voluntary work of editors to create links, perfect formats, and integrate my raw posts with the rest of the Wikipedia world. What I have done, and can do, is post correct information within my areas of knowledge, and remove information that I know to be untrue. (Today I've queried an author on the factual nature of a sentence that appears in her Wikipedia profile: if she confirms that it is a distortion of truth, as I suspect it is, I will rewrite the sentence to more truly reflect the facts.) If I add "thoroughly study Wikipedia protocols," or even "join the community," to my to do list, I may never post again! What with a big family (do you know how many loads of laundry seven people generate on a weekly basis?!) and the "always on" nature of contract work for survival, there won't be time for at least a decade to do a thorough study. I've had to eliminate all listservs from my life, as they are too enticing, as addictive as Tetris & We(love)Katamaria. I will, however, gladly respond to direct notes, and receive counsel. Best regards, SpecificallyJo 23:00, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, I hope it's okay to respond to a standard greeting in a nonstandard way (& at length). I've come on to do a small correction on Lee Maracle's page; I'll check the List you mentioned & see what I can help with.SpecificallyJo 19:58, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Questions

My entry re-- Kateri Akiwenzie-Damm has been questioned re-notability, & so I've posted a dozen or so public-source responses to her work in the various realms. I put these on the discussion page, not sure if that's the correct place. I am a bit irritated that all links were removed-- to her nation, the press she started, etc. She is on your list of Indigenous authors, so what the disagreement is based on, I don't know. Can you add clarity to this? SpecificallyJo 21:08, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

FS

Cheers! Pretty happy with how it turned out myself. Artw 20:33, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Good luck in your dissertation work. I well remember the eighteen hour days! What texts/writers are you writing about? I wrote about Erdrich, Welch, Vizenor, and Cook-Lynn--JStripes 16:19, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Native writers

Diane Glancy is an interesting writer. I didn't like her stuff at first, and was a little put-off by her perspective in the interview she did for Krupat and Swann's I Tell You Now. Later, however, I presented a conference paper on her Pushing the Bear, Robert Conley's Mountain Windsong, and Trail of Tears historiography. Then, I met her at a conference and spoke to her for a while. It was an enjoyable conversation. I've known Sherman Alexie for about 17 years. If he ever grows up, he'll be able to write with the sort of power that he and I both see in Simon Ortiz.--JStripes 17:07, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

AfD

Hi Vizjim/Archive/Archive 01, this is a message I'm posting to everyone who participated in this AfD. I have nominated the same article for deletion again here – you might be interested. Regards, KissL 09:02, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Herod's Gentiles

I suppose I'll put this in WP:BJAODN. bibliomaniac15 22:42, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Apology

Just received your message, "I was unnecessarily rude about your work on the Greg Sarris page in my edit summary, and would like to apologise. Reading it back made me wince. Vizjim 08:06, 31 March 2007 (UTC)"

Accepted, thanks.

I've just begun to rebuild the page. Please understand that I live in Santa Rosa, Sonoma County, California, where Sarris has been a minor celebrity for several years; and I'm rather familiar with his efforts, as Chairman of the Federated Coast Miwok and the FIGR, to build an Indian casino in nearby Rohnert Park.

I hope you'll contribute to the page. As a doctoral candidate in Native American literature, you're surely qualified to comment on Sarris' works. Please use the discussion page if you have any questions or comments about my edits. -- Mukrkrgsj 09:21, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

RE: Cyprus

Technically, we are; however, I recommend that germane information about the actual segments not be removed. The fact that this information may be elsewhere is immaterial (as the same could be said of any other article content), but this information above all is crucial (since it demonstrates that the entity of Cyprus differs de jure and de facto) and makes the introduction concise yet comprehensive. The current version is satisfactory. Corticopia 14:28, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Cyprus

Vizjim What i added is documented by the U.N. and an accepted norm. The way the article is now represents a mild Turkish POV. Aristovoul0s 14:49, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

I am neither Turkish nor Greek, and the intro is fine. What you added is redundant, wordy, and not normative. Corticopia 14:53, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

LOL Aristovoul0s 15:31, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

No -- look at your user page image: that's laughable. Corticopia 15:39, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

So, the UN is pro Greek?, or the SBA web site... the Qween herself? Aristovoul0s 15:34, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

No, you and your horrid edits are pro-Greek. The various viewpoints are already concisely mentioned in the introduction (abundantly discussed), with links of and to details elsewhere > e.g., Cyprus dispute. Corticopia 15:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Apologies if you took offense, it was a question not a statement/accusation Aristovoul0s 16:12, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi. I continue to make this edit because it is incorrect to assert that it is known ubiquitously as the Cyprus dispute -- this is more a term of convenience and not one with any authority or officialdom (I think). It is sufficient to indicate that it is a matter of ongoing dispute, with a piped link to that article and not too obviously. It is unlike, say, the Vietnam War, which is a common term for that conflict. I hope this helps. Corticopia 14:18, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

BAAS

Hi Vizjim, Thanks for the note. I think that the panel went well. See you in 2007 if not before! --Mjs110 14:29, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Ella Cara Deloria/Chicago

I am the Director of WP:WPChi. This is a newly active project. In order to quickly assess all the thousands of articles within the domain of the project I have created a list of categories that I am having a bot tag with {{ChicagoWikiProject}}. As you can see if an article includes the Category:University of Chicago alumni it is tagged. What would make sense is that you might manually change the tag to {{ChicagoWikiProject|importance=low}}. This would indicate that only a very select few Chicagoans would attach significance to her role as a Chicagoan. As an encyclopedia, if an article wishes to have such a category, we should provide succinct information on the significance of it in such a way. Let me know if this is a problem. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 05:04, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

You failed to respond to me point above. Do you want her to be listed among University of Chicago alumni? If so, are you averse to informing readers that she has very limited affiliation with Chicago by way of proper use of the tag? Let me know which of the following option you think is preferable:

1. Remove the category that the bot is identifying (University of Chicago alumni).
2. Convert the tag to {{ChicagoWikiProject|importance=low}}, which I believe is the proper solution.
3. Have the bot abandon the task of autotagging and get people to tag the thousands of articles by hand. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 17:12, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

P.S. In case you are worried, it is in no way a bad reflection on an article to have importance=low tags. Even one of our few importance=top article for WP:WPChi (Talk:Michael Jordan) has a an importance=low tag. Nonetheless, it has become a featured article. Many important articles have importance=low tags from tangentially related projects. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 19:49, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

I am not sure if you are familiar with some of the page clutter solutions. I placed two popular ones on the talk page for your purview. I will echo some comments I have received about the issue on my talk page. Project Banner templates are important because they help in (1) building associations across projects and (2) bringing higher visibility to a subject or project. Would you let me know if either of these would be a palatable solution. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 14:32, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

If you are going to be adding WikiProjectBanner templates to other pages the one you did not choose is generally the preferable version to most people. Unless you are the lead editor of the pages you are going to change, you may want to use the other version on other pages. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 21:26, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

own or not

Please see Help:Dummy edit first. The edit summary should have read "rv Vizjim". Anyway, what I am saying is, if you want us to discuss changes on talk page, you should be the first one to do that. What you did was, make an edit on the 4th, and reverted every edit that reverted your edit, and you expected those editors to give you reasons. You could very well discuss your edit on the talk page first, or just make your edit and let others disagree with you. Failing to do that violates WP:OWN in my opinion. If your edit is reverted several times, that might mean that you should maybe have discussed it before. By the way, are you sure "styling itself" is better than "styling itself as" there on Cyprus? Deniz^T_C 13:44, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

hey, I contributed to the Charles Eastman page the other day, which you edited. I mistyped and put "the only" instead of "the only modern", compilation, that certainly should be fixed. Other than that, I was just wanting to update his bibliography, and explain what this book was - a compilation from his other writings. Is there anything else I should do to make the format less marketing

Charles Eastman

Hello, I contributed to the Charles Eastman page the other day, adding a book to his bibliography paragraph. I mistyped and wrote "the only" instead of "the only modern" compilation when explaning what this book is. Its probably not a good idea to use the word only anyway, saying it is a modern edition suffices... Other than fixing that, is there anything else you objected to (I also added a link to a slideshow of his life that was also deleted)? Thanks for your help.--Temp07 20:32, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi

1. You had added this reference to the Cyprus article. Is this an authoritative source?
2. And may i ask the reasoning of this Aristovoul0s 06:03, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Eastman Book

Well, the book is (to my knowledge) the only modern compilation - it comes with old photographs and scholarly commentaries on Eastman and I just thought that information should be available... Perhaps more importantly though, it is a resource that has been used by academics and those interested in both Eastman and prominent Native Americans - most recently by the screenwriter of the upcoming HBO film, "Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee", staring Adam Beach as Charles Eastman. (http://www.bu.edu/phpbin/news-cms/news/?dept=4&id=44918&template=4) In fact, I had wondered if it would be alright to mention something about the upcoming movie on the page, as Eastman's character does play a prominent role... Thanks again for discussing this with me, --Temp07 18:55, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

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Cyprus

You might be pleased to know I've worked a lot on the Cyprus article today. It now covers most topics but please can someone start referencing and condensing the history section. Thanks ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" Contribs} 15:13, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Alexie

I looked through the article, adding a bit on the completion of his education. This information was fairly well known to a lot of locals who knew him in college, but has not been written about, so far as I know, and thus may raise some red flags for Wikipedia purists. Still, it is important for getting right certain phrases (note the minor edit I did first--substituting leaving for getting his degree). I have a lot of inside knowledge on this issue, as I was the AS RA at the time his degree was issued. JStripes 17:36, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Alexie Again

Hi, thanks for your message. I'm just jumping on and off Wiki tonight, but you have my word I'll have a good look at the article as soon as I can, probably sometime tomorrow. I skimmed the diffs just now and I see what you mean about that particular users' edits being problematic, so I'll do my best to look into it. Best, DanielEng 03:44, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

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Jackpoint.jpeg

Like it says on the opage, "For copyright issues with 2000AD-owned images, please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Comics#2000_AD" This explains the free use rationale. Vizjim 14:42, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Link or item not found, Please provide a rationale or get the releavnt section of the page you link to be reinstated. 16:45, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Jackpoint

Hi link is now at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Comics/copyright#2000_AD - didn't know it had changed. I am travelling at the moment and on wikibreak, please make necessary alterations. Vizjim 08:20, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Now fixed. ShakespeareFan00 13:43, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Category deletion

Done. :) If you need any other assistance, let me know. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 14:54, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

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Which image does this relate to? The strike thru above was because that issue had been resolved.. Sfan00 IMG 19:04, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

OK, have checked, Feel free to re-upload it with the link you mentioned above in the image summary somewhere, adding a more detailed rationale will prevent in being flagged up again BTW. Sfan00 IMG 19:10, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Joseph A. Dandurand

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Blunt yes but not intentionaly rude.

You are right it may be too soon to think in terms of mediation. Lulu's arguments are in my view, quite compelling. If you have read them already and still disagree with him then please do tell me what your thoughts are on this matter. As for incivility I am not a diplomat, but I will try to be more diplomatic in the immediate future. Albion moonlight 09:33, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: Pogrom

Thanks for the illuminating vocabulary lesson. I think you get the point, though: please do not delete valuable information from the encyclopedia for no good reason. Cleduc 14:34, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Inclusion in the categories is not the same as inclusion in the text, and inclusion in the source material is not the same as inclusion in the article. So don't split hairs. I somewhat understand your objection to inclusion in the first sentence on many articles, because if sexuality is not what someone is known for, it is not necessary to primarily identify them as such. But to cut it from the article entirely is indefensible. Cleduc 14:50, 26 August 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cleduc (talk • contribs)

It works for me.

Yes I am fine with your edit, I think it will work for everybody. Good edit,and thank you. Albion moonlight 14:57, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Racial IDs

In your edit to the Native American Studies page, you commented "removing racial identifiers irrelevant to these scholars' achievements. This is in line with standard WP policy." Would you please point me to the relevant WP policy? I have been unable to locate it. Thanks in advance.Verklempt 20:56, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

RE: Cyprus Cleanup

Yeah sure. Onnaghar ^{tl ! co} 14:59, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate the encouragement. I hope to have more time for this in the future. Saraalan 02:38, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Indian comic book characters

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Greg Sarris

I have compiled an extensive archive of official documents for the Hilario family and the Hartman family: death, birth records, census records, military records, etc. I even have a copy of Bunny Hartman's death certificate. I also have the entire<script type="text/javascript" src="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Omegatron/monobook.js/addlink.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s"></script> genealogical record submitted the Bureau of Indian Affairs by the "Federated Coast Miwok" (the first incarnation of the Federated Indians of Graton Rancheria)in support of their recognition as a tribe which includes the family line of Tom Smith through which Sarris claims his Native American ancestry.

All Sarris has ever given with regard to his ancestry is his own say-so. Even he says that Bunny Hartman told her parents the father was a Mexican stable hand (read "Mabel McKay"). ("Bunny pointed to a five foot two Mexican guy where she kept her horses." "Mabel McKay", page 141). Also on page 141, Sarris claims that Bunny's younger brother, Howard, told Sarris that Sarris reminded him of Emilio Arthur "Meatloaf" Hilario (born June 1, 1930), a football player at Laguna Beach high school. But in addition to the statement by Bunny that the father was the Mexican stablehand, there are several factors that make it less likely that Emilio could be Sarris’ father.

Sarris often claims that Bunny and Emilio were high-school sweethearts, but Bunny (born December 10, 1934) was about 4-1/2 years younger than Emilio, and they probably did not attend Laguna Beach High at the same time. Emilio would have been 21 or 22 when Bunny became pregnant at about age 16. She gave birth about two months after her 17th birthday. To date, no documentation has been found to confirm that Bunny Hartman lived in Laguna Beach. The only documents to date indicate that, as late as 1940, the family residence was in Los Angeles, but research is ongoing.

Sarris wrote (p141 of 'Mabel McKay") that Bunny Hartman's brother Howard told him that he used to take notes from Bunny to an Hawaiian-looking boy (Emilio) on the football field. However, Howard, born April 30,1940, was more than ten years younger than Emilio Hilario, and would have been only between 4 to 7 years old when Emilio was playing football at Laguna Beach High, making it unlikely that this statement is factual.

Then there is the matter of Emilio’s military service. According to the United States National Personnel Records Center in St. Louis, MO, Emilio Hilario joined the United States Navy on January 9, 1951 and served until August 27, 1954. He was in the Navy during the Korean War, which ran from June 25, 1950 through July 27, 1953.

Emilio would have completed his Basic training in about mid-February, after which he would have been assigned to duty. Bunny would have conceived in early May, 1951, four to five months after Emilio joined the Navy.

In "Mabel McKay", Sarris makes it appear that Emilio and Bunny were a couple in 1951, even if surreptitious, during the time he was conceived. Sarris writes in "Mabel McKay" that Emilio and Bunny would meet "...at midnight in secret places...." "On and on until Bunny was pregnant....".

Emilio was undoubtedly assigned to his duty by May, and probably earlier than that, and could have been anywhere in the world. All this makes it less likely or at least questionable that Emilio was Sarris' father, and certainly casting further doubt on how Bunny’s "relationship", if any, with Emilio proceeded.

Sarris has often stated that Emilio joined the Navy "later", implying that he joined after Bunny was pregnant or after she had given birth. His statement is sufficiently vague as to appear that Sarris either didn't know Emilio's service dates, or knew and chose to be obscure. Clearly Emilio didn't join the Navy "later"; he joined it "before".

By January, 1951, the U.S. was in the thick of the Korean War. The Pusan landing and Inchon landings were in 1950, and by November-December, 1950, the allies had launched two major counterattacks. January 1951 was the point of escalating military action in Korea, and Emilio was probably assigned to duty almost immediately after Basic. He could have been with Bunny in May of 1951 only if his service was Stateside. More research is being attempted to determine where Emilio served.

The peace talks began in July, 1953, along with the cease-fire. Emilio was honorably discharged the following Summer in 1954. He was given the National Defense Service medal, a medal created by President Eisenhower for those who served in the armed forces during the Korean War. This medal was later given to those who served in Viet Nam and Desert Storm, and to those who are serving/have serve in Iraq and Afghanistan.

After his discharge, Emilio then attended the University of Southern California. Emilio tried to revive his old high school football days, but at 24, was older than his teammates, and according to USC Library research, didn't see much play time, if any at all. We have been able to verify Emilio’s name only on the 1954 football play roster. The dates of Emilio’s attendance at USC have not been verified as yet.

Crunching the Numbers:

Emilio Hilario's father, Emilio Victor Hilario, was Filipino, and married his wife Evelyn, from whom Sarris claims his Indian heritage, shortly after he arrived in the States on July 4, 1927. Sarris claims that he located Emilio Victor, who told him his (now-deceased) wife, Evelyn, had been Indian. Emilio Victor said Evelyn's mother's father was named Tom Smith. Interestingly, in interviews given to the media by Sarris, it appears that Emilio Arthur’s family knew nothing of Bunny’s pregnancy.

According to the genealogical records provided to the federal government by the Federated Indians of Graton Rancheria, Evelyn Hilario's mother, Reinetta (daughter of Tom Smith and Emily Stewart), was 5/8 mixed Coast Miwok/Pomo Indian, and was also part Russian. Reinetta, married Arthur Saragossa, whose race is given as "White" on his September 12, 1918, Draft Registration card. Their daughter Evelyn would therefore have been about 5/16 mixed Coast Miwok/Pomo.

Although the FIGR genealogical records in our possession do not go beyond Reinetta, we know from public records that Evelyn married Emilio Victor Hilario, then only recently arrived from the Philippines. Their son, Emilio Arthur, Sarris’ alleged father, would have been about 5/32 mixed Coast Miwok/Pomo.

This would mean that IF Mr. Sarris’ father is Emilio Hilario, Sarris would be at the most approximately 5/64th mixed Coast Miwok/Pomo, with the remainder being mostly White, with about 1/4 Filipino, and he could be as little as 3/64th mixed Coast Miwok/Pomo, depending on great-great grandmother Emily Stewart’s parentage.

But because of the facts surrounding Emilio Hilario’s Navy service, the age difference between Emilio and Bunny, the fact that Sarris’ claims appear to be based solely on hearsay, and many of his claims are not supported by fact, it is just as likely that the father of Bunny Hartman's child was, as she herself appears to have asserted, the Mexican stablehand she saw on a regular basis when ever she rode her horse, rather than the high school football hero who was five or six years older than she, and who was already in the Navy when she conceived.

If this be true, it would mean that rather than being Native American of any degree, Mr. Sarris would be 1/2 Mexican and 1/2 White.

Ewass (talk) 23:10, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Sarris

One more thing: In "Mabel McKay" (pp 139-140), Sarris states that his mother was buried in a small, remotely-located cemetery in Sonoma COunty, in the pauper's section with nothing to mark her grave except a horse shoe turned upside down (meaning, in popular symbology, that all the luck ran out of it).

However, Bunny's two obituaries published February 26, 1952, and easily available at the Santa Rosa, CA Main Library, reveal that she was buried in Calvary Cemetery in the Bennett Valley section of Santa Rosa, the largest Catholic cemetery in the County, located just outside the county seat of Santa Rosa, and well-known to local residents.. Calvary’s records indicate that Bunny was not buried in the pauper's section, and officials there can easily locate her grave upon request. Cemetery officials further state that their pauper's section is very small, and all the graves have markers. Bunny is in fact, buried in Dormitory F, Row 5, Number 34, and that is easily verified with Calvary's office.

Why would a man lie about the circumstances of his mother's burial? The obituaries were not too hard to find. Sarris could have easily looked them up any time he wanted. He's from Santa Rosa, and he's been back in the area for the past three years. What it seems to me is that Sarris is a man creating a mythos.

Yes, the facts I am relating here on Wikipedia do cast serious doubts on Sarris' claims to Indian ancestry. But facts are facts, and encyclopedic information is not about touchy-feely political correctness. There is absolutely no objective facts or documentation that strongly support Sarris' claim, it's all by his say-so.

Sarris may be Hilario's son, or he may be the son of a Mexican stable hand. If the latter be true, he wouldn't be the first person to lie about having Native American blood.

This man claims to be a Native American. The known facts do cast doubt on his claim. I believe until the facts can prove one way or another, both sides with all the data need to be given to the public. To do otherwise is a disservice.

Ewass (talk) 23:25, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Sarris

Tell me what records you'd like to see, and I'll scan them and forward them in an email. Pick any two (to save me the work), except Calvary Cemetery, which I verified by phone, as can you. Phone number is (707)546-6290. Her name was Mary Bernadette Hartman, nicknamed "Bunny", and she is in the cemetery records as Bunny, too. Very poignant.

Truth is an absolute defense against a charge of libel, you know.

Ewass (talk) 23:34, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

sarris

It is not hearsay and speculation to say that Sarris himself says that his birth mother stated that a Mexican stablehand was the father. That citation is provided. It is not hearsay and speculation to say that Sarris could only be 3/64th to 5/64th Native American. That is according to the records provided by the FIGR itself to the federal government, and obtained under a FOIA.

It is a fact that Emilio Hilario joined the Navy in early January 1951, almost five months before Sarris was conceived, not "later" as Sarris always states in his comments to the Press, so that's not speculation, either.

According to Sarris, no one in Hilario's family knew about Bunny's pregnancy. The only source for Sarris' claim to Indian blood is Sarris himself.

What is speculation is that Greg Sarris claims to be the son of man whose name appears nowhere on the his birth record; according to Sarris himself, he only found out about Hilario in the early 1980's, and he himself decided that Hilario was his father! Talk about speculation!

What a joke.

Ewass (talk) 19:53, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Additions for the Tim Barrus bio, which should NOT be a subset of Nasdijj.

Please add to Tim Barrus bio:

Tim Barrus, from a working-class family in East Lansing, Michigan, fled on a motorcycle to San Francisco to join the Aquarian Revolution. He joined a culture, much of it gay, based on experiment and pushing the limits. His early handmade poetry books sell for hundreds of dollars on the used book websites. "Genocide," a major work about AIDS, was a response to that plague in which he lost many friends. Over the years he has written and edited innumerable articles and magazines, often using pseudonyms, which is particularly common among genre writers.

“Anywhere, Anywhere” is a novel about two gay men caring for each other with Vietnam standing in for the AIDS epidemic. It has autobiographical elements. Barrus -- whose first marriage had failed and who was supporting as a single parent two children, one an adopted autistic boy and the other a genetic daughter, had fallen into a pattern of working until he had a grubstake, then writing. The work he trained for and where there were always jobs because of the high burnout rate was working with damaged, marginalized, HIV-infected, and otherwise troubled kids, often Hispanic and/or Native American. In one of these jobs he met Tina Giovanni whom he married. That relationship is solid. Barrus’ daughter grew up, married happily, and is raising her daughter in Bolivia. Tina Giovanni is an expert on the treatment of autistic children. Barrus currently runs his own organization, “Cinematheque.”

Sherman Alexie wrote an article critical of Barrus writing under an “Indian psuedonym” and used deconstruction and post-colonial theory to suggest that whites writing about Indian experiences are “stolen.” Alexie, the only Indian writer known by many non-Indians, was used to bludgeon Barrus out of print. I know of no other critical Native American commenters. The responsibility and culpability of publishers ought to be discussed, since they knew Barrus was not NA and not writing his own memoir, but chose to promote him that way. They also knew he was in desperate need of a very expensive double hip transplant, as mentioned in the Esquire article. He appeared at readings on crutches, in a wheelchair, and relying on Navajo, the helper dog.

The information supplied to many journalists about Barrus, which then became fossilized in print, came from the San Francisco scene in the Seventies when posing, transgression, grandiosity, and boundaries in general were being challenged. The two main attackers of Barrus (who have now been traced electronically and reported to the FBI) complain that he had no right to pretend he was an Indian, that he has an evil interest in his students, and that his students don't exist. They show no signs of ever having read the three Nasdijj books. They are not Native Americans. One is not even American.

This entry about Tim Barrus is incomplete and misleading because of omissions and cynical tone. Using a pseudonym is a long literary tradition hardly deserving of assault. It is quite common among genre writers. It has been pointed out that the Nasdijj books were highly praised and earned prizes in the ten years before he was “unmasked” in a sensational manner.

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Thank you. Mary Scriver 216.129.234.29 (talk) 19:34, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Faux Indians and all that

Currently on le-too.blogspot.com Barrus has posted about a dozen photos from his past. They are pretty interesting but don't include the photo of the "Barrus men" that I find intriguing. It's a photo of Tim's great-grandfather on an end table, then Tim with Tom on his lap, then Maynard his father, then Mason his grandfather.

I see that you ripped into Greg Sarris as well. I first became aware of this vendetta against whites writing about Indians and fixation on blood quantum in the late Nineties on RezNet where a woman with the pseudonym of Lozen Mangas tried to organize witch hunts and flame wars. She was particularly angry about Brooke Medicine Eagle. The movement seems to have arisen from French deconstruction and post-colonial theory but soon became something like the Chinese Red Revolution that destroyed a whole generation of artists, musicians, and professors. Sherman Alexie was briefly on that bulletin board.

There are MANY dubious assumptions about the wickedness of writing about Indians as if one were an Indian. As a former English teacher who has tried to support Indian writers and who was deeply disappointed by the fizzling of the Native American Renaissance of writing, I hold these witchhunts at least partly responsible. People are simply afraid of being exposed to attack. Might as well run for president of the US.

I was a friend of Jim Welch, who found all this highly dubious.

Mary Scriver —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.129.234.29 (talk) 20:33, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Nasdijj

I've done some work on Nasdijj. It really helps to have properly formatted reference, and going through them to check format and whatnot revealed that some of the included references were to broken links or substandard reprints of the original (where the original was still available in its initial form). I've also reworded some of the prose. I think the graf that mentions "dysfunctional relationship" may have too many subjective adjectives. A close examination of references would be good to be sure that the descriptive language there is accurate.

I think Mary's point is worthy of further consideration - it does seem like the section on his publications could be expanded. I see you've added some content in that direction, so it looks like you are making good progress. I think some more biographic detail would help, too - I've added a little, primarily in the lede since there isn't enough yet to justify an entire section. Avruch ^T 17:12, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Unwatched

1. 1911 Open Championship ‎
2. 1911 Oregon Ducks football team ‎
3. 1911 in France ‎
4. 1912-13 Missouri Tigers men's basketball team ‎
5. 1912-1913 War Museum ‎
6. 19120 Doronina ‎
7. 19126 Ottohahn ‎
8. 19129 Loos ‎
9. 1912 FA Charity Shield ‎
10. 1912 Five Nations Championship ‎
11. 1912 Florida Gators football team ‎
12. 1912 London International Radiotelegraphic Convention ‎
13. 1912 Open Championship ‎
14. 1912 Oregon Ducks football team ‎
15. 1912 college football season ‎
16. 1912 in France ‎
17. 1912 in India ‎
18. 1913-14 Missouri Tigers men's basketball team ‎
19. 1913 FILA Wrestling World Championships ‎
20. 1913 Five Nations Championship ‎
21. 1913 Florida Gators football team ‎
22. 1913 Open Championship ‎
23. 1913 Tennessee Volunteers football team ‎
24. 1913 VFL Grand Final ‎
25. 1913 in Australia ‎
26. 1913 in France ‎
27. 1913 in India ‎
28. 1914-15 Missouri Tigers men's basketball team ‎
29. 1914 Five Nations Championship ‎
30. 1914 Florida Gators football team ‎
31. 1914 Open Championship ‎
32. 1914 Sydney Carnival ‎
33. 1914 Tennessee Volunteers football team ‎
34. 1914 in France ‎
35. 1914 in India ‎
36. 1914 in chess ‎
37. 1915-16 Missouri Tigers men's basketball team ‎
38. 1915 Florida Gators football team ‎
39. 1915 Tennessee Volunteers football team ‎
40. 1915 in France ‎
41. 1915 in India ‎
42. 1915 in architecture ‎
43. 1916-17 Missouri Tigers men's basketball team ‎
44. 1916 Florida Gators football team ‎
45. 1916 Tennessee Volunteers football team ‎
46. 1916 in Australia ‎
47. 1916 in France ‎
48. 1916 in India ‎
49. 1916 in architecture ‎
50. 1917 American Cup ‎
51. 1917 Florida Gators football team ‎

John Reaves 22:16, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

KISA

OK, since you obviously know better, I'm fine with KISA (NGO). Cheers, Constantine ✍ 10:06, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Jimmie Durham

Oh brother, I thought that was obvious and ancient history... The 1990 Arts and Crafts Act was in part written for Jimmie Durham (who with Ward Churchill lashed out against enrolled artists during the time period - contact Suzan Shown Harjo for those stories). What Cherokee families is he related to? Absolutely none and there's no shortage of genealogists out there (call Cherokee Heritage Center in Park Hill, Oklahoma - they have three full time genealogists on staff who can talk to you). Anyone can read James Mooney and pick up a few cultural tidbits, but whenever Durham attempts to use the Cherokee language, it's completely incomprehensible. People who knew him and Ward Churchill personally from the Denver AIM days have assured me that neither are Indian. Is he an internationally-known artist? Absolutely. He is a highly successful artist, even now, in his own right, but he is not Cherokee, has no ties to any Cherokee people, and no involvement with any of the tribes. -Uyvsdi (talk) 15:18, 2 April 2009 (UTC)Uyvsdi

I'm definitely not making any statements against Durham's artistic ability or Churchill's writing ability. Obviously they are both successful in their fields. -Uyvsdi (talk) 22:06, 2 April 2009 (UTC)Uyvsdi

While the subject of identity is in the air, I've discovered that Jimmie Durham has fans at the National Museum of the American (they almost asked him instead of James Luna to represent them at the 2005 Venice Bienale) and Juane Quick-to-See Smith is an ardent supporter of him as well. I still have never met a Cherokee person who regards him as being Cherokee. Ironically, the 1990 Act has forced some artists to exclusively work in the mainstream art world and expanded their audience. -Uyvsdi (talk) 16:04, 28 July 2009 (UTC)Uyvsdi

IRK

That article deals with reactions from countries and many of them were made during previous administrations. We also have statements by "President Vladimir Putin" etc. Removing data is not a synonym for a word update but rather for downgrading. If you erase this information you make it look like Cyprus waited for months for the first reaction while in reality there was a reaction immediately following the independence declaration. Hope you understand this.--Avala (talk) 22:13, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar

		Civility Award
		For being calm, diplomatic, and patient in recent circular discussions about List of writers from peoples indigenous to the Americas. Happy editing! Uyvsdi (talk) 17:01, 27 July 2009 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Thanks mucho! -Uyvsdi (talk) 15:54, 28 July 2009 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Cyprus

Hi Vizjim. I have started reviewing Cyprus to see if it meets GA criteria. I have not completed the review as it has become apparent that there are a number of criteria that the article does not meet, and from experience I would say it would take a considerable amount of time to address those issues. The two options are 1) put the article on hold for seven days to see if significant progress can be made toward meeting the criteria (it wouldn't be possible to meet all the criteria in seven days, but if there is significant progress I would be willing to keep the review open) - 2) closing the review now as the article failing to meet criteria, and allowing people time to build the article and then resubmit when the article is in a better state to meet the criteria. Let me know which option you would prefer. It might help you to take a look at the GA criteria: Wikipedia:Good article criteria. Regards SilkTork *^YES! 10:50, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Cyprus article

Hi there - I'm so sorry not to be engaging fully with your response at present - it's just a very busy week IRL! Will try to deal with your concerns over the next few weeks. Is it OK to come back to you when these are done? Thanks for all your work on this page Vizjim (talk) 21:02, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, give me a ping when you are ready. SilkTork *^YES! 21:09, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I just noticed you said "weeks" - I read "days". I stopped my assessment of the article as it became apparent that there were too many issues to be resolved in a reasonable space of time. I am expecting to either close the GA Review as a fail in a few days or to have good evidence of progress made toward addressing the concerns. I'd like to see enough progress made over the next few days to give me reason to think this would not be a long drawn out affair. If you feel you cannot fully commit to this at the moment because of other matters, then that's fine. We can close this nomination, and you can work on the article at your leisure and nominate it again later. Don't be concerned about the article going back into the nomination queue and hanging around - you may contact me when you are ready to nominate again, and I will take it on immediately. SilkTork *^YES! 01:35, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

I think that would be best as it doesn't seem as though other editors are particularly engaged with the process. I will get back to you when I feel that your specific concerns have been answered (and we can move on to a new set of specific concerns!) Best, Vizjim (talk) 07:37, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

That's good. If I get time I'll drop by and do some work on the article. SilkTork *^YES! 10:35, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

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