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Nomination of ThinkShutter for deletion

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ThinkPad model graph

Hello! Can You check these SVG graph for mistakes?

Before I add the T15g model inside of them. ThisIsNotABetter (talk) 00:52, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

I see E570p model is not listed, also. ThisIsNotABetter (talk) 01:24, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

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Converting money values

I suspect some of the non-USD values you are converting are not from 2020. You should indicate what year the values are for; I believe Template:To USD has some options for that. - RovingPersonalityConstruct (talk, contribs) 21:32, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I indicate the year when it is available, and try to use historical data, unless it results in devaluation if inflation calculation is not possible. Trigenibinion (talk) 21:36, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

You don't need to account for inflation or deflation.

If no year is associated with the statistic, then no conversion can be made.

If a year can be found, then first try and use the template's year option. If the template doesn't have data for the year, then either don't do a conversion (safest option) or do it manually. If you do it manually, you should "show your work" with a note indicating the conversion rate to USD for that year (probably form the IMF.) - RovingPersonalityConstruct (talk, contribs) 21:46, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

It is misleading to convert without adjusting to current values, but most of the time it is not possible because the data is not here. When the value is adjusted for deflation/inflation it is indicated like INRConvert does.

I don't convert manually (except for French Francs so far, where there is a good official tool online).

December 2020

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Hello

I wanted to thank you for your additions to list of auxiliary vessels. You edit many articles that are on my watchlist, and overall, I see the improvements you are making, or are intending to make. One area to be careful with is infoboxes. They have been debated and argued over at length, especially due to their high visibility. I noticed almost immediately the additions you made to MV Queen of New Westminster because of the amount of content added, and then re-added when you were reverted. I would encourage you to go to the talk page and discuss your edits with that editor. You don't want to get into another edit war like on Billion. Overall, keep up the good work. - wolf 18:47, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Addition of currency conversions to ship infoboxes

I am concerned with your recent edits adding currency conversions and inflation adjustments to ship infoboxes. As we have discussed on MV Queen of New Westminster; MS:INFOBOXPURPOSE and expanded in Template:Infobox ship begin/Usage guide state that infoboxes should not have excessive detail, that information should be sourced, that the information should appear in the prose and that the currency should be that of the orderer or builder. I am further concerned that the templates you have used on for example Costa Luminosa result in an erroneous conversion, the Euro amount quoted is in 2006 euros but I think the conversion is in current US$ which makes no allowance for how the exchange rate has changed between then and now. Can you please review your edits and correct, adjust or revert as necessary. Please do not be discouraged in your editing as the other areas you have edited in have improved the articles immensely Lyndaship (talk) 16:16, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello. The conversion data is not complete. I have used the the proper year when possible. Some conversions would have to be updated in the future, as they are now providing a rough idea. Trigenibinion (talk)

wt:ships discussion & infoboxes

You clearly didn't read up on the two policies I suggested to you in my last post there. You keep going on and on about what you think "people want", but there is a fairly solid consensus there that does not support that. You don't seem to be getting that and at this point you should really consider letting this go. Just leave these ship and plane infoboxes be.

It's clear you want to help build this project and you have a lot to offer. How about looking to contribute in other ways? There are many areas of WP that could use your help. Anyway, think on it, and again this is just a friendly heads up. - wolf 06:55, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Lots of plane and ship pages had conversions and adjustments before I got involved. Trigenibinion (talk) 11:26, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

And there are "lots" of editors trying to tell you something, but you. are. not. paying. attention. If you end up blocked or topic-banned, or both, don't say you weren't warned. - wolf 03:14, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

I am taking care of cleaning up those entries, as I was doing before, but now additionally following the consensus that was assumed there. Trigenibinion (talk) 10:28, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

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DEFA cannon

Thanks for improving the DEFA cannon article. However you haven't added any sources for your additions. The article already had no inline citations, and few sources. Can you please address this before adding any more new material? Thanks. BilCat (talk) 21:32, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello. Almost everything comes from Wikipedia. There's a couple references I would have to add. Trigenibinion (talk) 21:45, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

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AUKUS

Hello Trigenibinion, you need to read up on No original research and also keep in mind WP:3RR as there have been a few reverts now. Not just that but the other stuff about Brazil and the long string of citations about the US/France that seems to have come in and out more than once Bumbubookworm (talk) 06:07, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

I also feel you need to read wp:soap and wp:npa, accusing users of bias as a way of rejecting their arguments/edits is dubious.Slatersteven (talk) 14:29, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

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Proposal to make a Template:Diagonal_split_color_box equivalent

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I don't understand what you mean. TemplateData is a way to specify the API, not to program the template. Trigenibinion (talk) 13:29, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

I meant to program the template so it displays the diagonal line separating the 2 colors mirrored....Look, the line goes like this: \. I want to go like this /...get it? Qwerty284651 (talk) 20:26, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

An-225

I saw that you twice tried to add File:Loading of Antonov Airlines An-225 (UR-82060) at Zagreb Airport (7).jpg to the Antonov An-225 Mriya. The photo does not add much to the article, with the An-225 barely visible in the background behind a crane. If you disagree, please discuss it at Talk:Antonov An-225 Mriya. - ZLEA _T\^C 15:57, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

There are enough pictures showing the whole plane. I found no better cargo photos. Trigenibinion (talk) 16:12, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

China Eastern Airlines Flight 5735

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I'm going to repeat the exact same message. Making your own personal conclusions about safety records can not only be wrong (as in this case), but it is explicitly against Wikipedia policy and guidelines. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 19:28, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

I did not make any conclusion abut the safety record, I removed the conclusion someone else made. Trigenibinion (talk) 19:49, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

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List of equipment of the Ukrainian Ground Forces

Hello. Don't add redundant nowrap template and shortcuts. There is no eason for it. Eurohunter (talk) 15:48, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

For what? Eurohunter (talk) 15:54, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

This is maintained by table settings. Just make one section wider - no need to add 3k of code everywhere. Eurohunter (talk) 17:23, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Agreed. That table has about three hundred nowraps in it. They should all be removed. (Hohum ^@) 17:16, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

As explained in your talk pages, the nowraps are needed for proper layout. Trigenibinion (talk) 17:22, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Template talk:Flaglist

I do not know what is the purpose of the discussion at Template talk:Flaglist#Wrapping. You say, "What I was doing ..." as if you had recently edited Template:Flaglist, but you have never edited it. So, literally, I don't know what you are talking about. What I do know is that your table markup is bollixed. Within a table, a line that begin with |- is preprocessed to <tr>, which means table row, and I believe the only think that goes on lines that begin with |- is style markup for the table row, but you have two trailing pipes (||) that don't seem to do anything. Then the line after that is supposed to start with | without a hyphen, which is preprocessed to <td>, which means table cell, but your next line starts a new table with {|, and this is not OK and it causes a Table tag that should be deleted lint error and also a stripped tag lint error. I fixed those lint errors, but apparently my fix was not satisfactory, so, since I don't even know what you are talking about, I'm passing it back for you to fix your table markup to be compliant and avoid lint errors. I am trying to be polite and respectful and I apologize if it sounds otherwise, this is just how I talk. Cheers! —Anomalocaris (talk) 00:47, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

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NCAP ratings

Well, yeah.. When comparing the same year you may be right, there may be some differences between the tests, as there isn't an ironclad set of common rules. I'm, however, a little uncomfortable with saying more than the sources themselves, using our own knowledge, even if the info is likely true. Anyways, I'll revert myself for now, as at least you have a point... --Urbanoc (talk) 00:47, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

I see you already reverted me. As I say, you are probably right so I won't edit-war on this, and let it as it is for now. But I'd prefer you include sources proving some tests are less demanding, at least on the articles discussing each one. Readers should be able to check the info we add is correct, per WP:V. --Urbanoc (talk) 00:53, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Flaglist table parameter

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(Let's stick to this thread.) Thanks, I get it now. I've tried to make the description even more clear. Thayts ••• 18:04, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

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Tri, you would probably benefit from studying WP:TRUTH, which explains why your deductions, even if clearly true, don't belong in Wikipedia. Dicklyon (talk) 21:22, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

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I just re-read your comments throughout the discussion and I understand a little better already. But I still think it would be helpful for you to add more ratings, as summary-type information and to indicate how strongly you feel about various options. Jruderman (talk) 22:26, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

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What does obsolete protocol mean?

You've been adding the parenthetical phrase "obsolete protocol" to a number of car articles. What does this mean? Bahooka (talk) 22:41, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

I have the same question. Your edit summary "Latin NCAP is obsolete compared to Euro NCAP. This is a region-specific concept." is meaningless. Cars that are sold in Latin America are tested to the Latin NCAP, not Euro NCAP, so it is meaningless to compare them. Also, calling anything that was done in the past obsolete is so obvious that it is meaningless to mention it. Otherwise we would fill up every car article, computer article, plane articles etc with the word "obsolete" in almost every sentence. As long as the reader is told which NCAP is being used and which year it was tested, then that is all that is needed.  Stepho  talk  00:17, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

When looking at the text it is not immediately obvious to the reader that a rating is obsolete or when it was obsoleted. Many people quote "5 stars" without caring about when the rating was given. I take as obsolete Euro NCAP ratings everything they dump in the "Pre" category. For Latin NCAP and Global NCAP, the protocols are used for a long time, so they suddenly become obsolete when a new version comes. ASEAN NCAP is very opaque, I understand it lies between (Euro NCAP, ANCAP) and Latin NCAP but I have no details. For the current ratings, it is attempted to clarify that they are actually obsolete by Global NCAP stating "based on Latin NCAP 2016" amd for Latin NCAP, "similar to Euro NCAP 2014". People are even more unaware of these facts, and the trade publications keep pumping Bharat and Global NCAP ratings as "safest cars in India" when it is possible that many luxury imports are made to European standards (some non-luxury EU-made, Korean, or Japanese exports to Latam are subpar and unmasked by Latin NCAP). Trigenibinion (talk) 00:52, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

It is very obvious that a car rated to Latin NCAP is not the same as rating it to the US NCAP and vice versa. Otherwise we would have a single NCAP for all countries. Also, different countries have different points that more important to them. Eg, Americans still hate wearing seat belts but have wide cars, so their safety standards mandate airbags with more explosive force (which does break noses and sometimes kills the drivers and child passengers). On the otherhand, in Australia we have narrower cars but always wear seat belts, so we concentrate on side impact intrusion bars and have less violent airbags. In some markets like India and Latin America, bring the cars up to the full safety standard of the US may cause driver fatalities due to air bags cracking the front of the driver's skull. Also, economics come into play. There is no point in making fully safe cars if nobody can afford them in that market. Safety is always a trade off between price and safety and this trace off varies for each market. Thus, saying that one countries NCAP is obsolete compared to another is not a valid comparison in a car article - although perfectly fine when going into details on the NCAP articles.

As for being obsolete, it is very obvious that a car tested to an older standard is not the same as a car tested to a new standard. Standards are constantly updated. As long as we mention the year of the car, the year it was tested and the appropriate NCAP that it was tested under then we are fine. Also remember that WP is not a car buying guide.  Stepho  talk  01:16, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

You must not assume that a person reads the whole article. What you reverted states this is an obsolete Latin NCAP rating, it has nothing to do with other NCAPs.

It is not obvious to the general public that Bharat, Global, and Latin NCAP are less demanding than Euro NCAP. Someone who could afford a BMW assembled in Brazil might buy a 5-star Latin NCAP VW SUV made in Argentina instead (there are no Audi, BMW, Lexus, Mercedes or Volvo on Latin NCAP so that is a good sign and it is OK to lease a BMW). US NCAP is not a poster child, it has been lagging for years. Trigenibinion (talk) 01:42, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Audi also assembles in Brazil but I don't think that helps to avoid leasing. I don't know how expensive Lexus or Volvo is in Latam.Trigenibinion (talk) 01:55, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

To say and conclude that Latin NCAP is obsolete compared to Euro NCAP is not only meaningless, but also an WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH. Clearly there is no statement from both NCAPs that their standard is obsolete/more advanced compared to the other. Even if it's obvious it's not the job of Wikipedia editors to point it out. Andra Febrian (talk) 12:06, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Nowhere in the articles was stated that any NCAP is obsolete, just specific (past) protocols. Trigenibinion (talk) 15:34, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

So your edit summary of "Latin NCAP is obsolete compared to Euro NCAP. This is a region-specific concept." for https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Toyota_RAV4&curid=1335430&action=history means what?

We only need to report the vehicle mode tested, the NCAP that it was tested under and the year that it was tested. Since Wikipedia is not a buying guide, we do not have to worry about readers using it as a buying guide. If they want to know how a 2019 NCAP report compares to a 2024 NCAP report for a newer model then they should read the corresponding linked NCAP article(s).

If we do put "obsolete" in all the articles, then this will become a maintenance nightmare for the rest of eternity as current NCAPs get superseded and become obsolete. For something that is not really necessary, you are introducing an eternity of maintenance for the majority of car articles.

Not helpful and not worth it.  Stepho  talk  09:10, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

My comment was in response to you saying that everything that is not current is obsolete. While it is true that Latin NCAP is obsolete compared to Euro NCAP, the current Latin NCAP rating is not obsolete for the region.

It is not an eternity of maintenance, once a protocol becomes obsolete it stays so. Trigenibinion (talk) 09:55, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

I think Latin NCAP needs to be updated so that it becomes challenging for the Q3 assembled in Brazil because I saw soldering (it seems it is way cheaper than the overpriced X1 assembled in Brazil). Trigenibinion (talk) 18:19, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

BMW also solders in Brazil so the same applies. Trigenibinion (talk) 20:09, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

The 320i is way better than the X1 (SUV garbage) and a bit cheaper, but still massively overpriced in Argentina, like all cars. Trigenibinion (talk) 01:27, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Re: eternity of maintenance: You edited the RAV4 article to list "obsolete" NCAP reports. Now think forward to say 2035. By this time the NCAP tests will have advanced again, so now we have to go back and edit the RAV4 article to reflect that the 2024 NCAP results are "obsolete". For as long as there are NCAP tests that get superseded, this will be a continual item requiring editing. Are you willing to devote the rest of your life to keep them uptodate on every car article?
Re: "Latin NCAP is obsolete compared to Euro NCAP": This is WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH. You need references from reliable sources (and for such a bold claim they need to be very reliable, not just passing mentions in magazine articles). Even if you have such references, they would be appropriate only in the corresponding NCAP articles, not in the articles about the cars themselves (the same way that every car article does not explain how cams, brakes, diffs, etc work).
Re: "I think Latin NCAP needs to be updated": you are entitled to your opinion. You may even be right. But you violate WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH if you say this in Wikipedia's voice without solid references.
Re: BMW in Brazil, 320i vs X1: what on Earth does this have to do with this conversation?
Re: "COVID" in edit summary for this talk page: what on Earth does this have to do with this conversation?  Stepho  talk  04:30, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

It is incremental maintenance. Not hard.

The articles do not state that Latin NCAP is obsolete compared to Euro NCAP, so there's no original research going on.

320i means you can theoretically get a vehicle assembled in Brazil that hopefully complies with modern expectations without having to settle for an SUV (if the Q3 is really that cheaper in Argentina I would lease that).

Mercedes stopped assembling in Brazil because of COVID. Trigenibinion (talk) 11:39, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

I think Latin NCAP will get upgraded next year and Glocal NCAP one year after that. Not a lot of ratings to mark as obsolete. Trigenibinion (talk) 12:07, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

The A3 is a bit cheaper than the Q3 and is made in Germany, so this would be the way to go. Trigenibinion (talk) 16:42, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Volvo only sells plug-ins in Argentina. Lexus only sells SUVs. Trigenibinion (talk) 17:12, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

A-Class could be an option if the lease terms are significantly better. I guess the 320i is not out of the race. The SUVs could end up being cheaper, though. Or leasing something used with full warranty. Trigenibinion (talk) 21:13, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Ideally, cars officially labeled as Euro NCAP would be sold in Latam, so that one would not be forced to gamble on luxury brands and leasing Audi/BMW/Mercedes/Volvo. Trigenibinion (talk) 23:45, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Wikpedia is not a buyer's guide. Wikipedia states what reliable sources state and doesn't engage in original research after the fact. Appending "obsolete protocol" after everything implies that the protocol was obsolete at the time of testing, which is patently false.

I reverted the remainder of these additions because it's clear there is no consensus for it and it wasn't going to get any easier to remove them. --Sable232 (talk) 00:31, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

OK, it is less misleading so people don't think that current 5-star Global or Latin NCAP is satisfactory. Trigenibinion (talk) 02:10, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Cars should pay taxes inversely proportional to their level of safety (including for others), cleanliness (including fires, production and disposal) and efficiency (including V2G), without falling into plug-in or lithium fanaticism. Trigenibinion (talk) 09:12, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Re: "It is incremental maintenance..." - Each individual edit is simple. But spread over the majority of car articles (thousands of articles) and requiring continual maintenance from now until NCAPS no longer applies adds up to a very big task. An arduous task to add clutter with so little gain.

Re: "OK, it is less misleading..." - once again, you are trying to write a buyers guide - WP is not a buyers guide.

Re: "taxes..." - once again, you are doing original research and presenting a personal opinion (although a worthy one). Strictly not allowed on WP.  Stepho  talk  09:47, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

You're exaggerating level of the effort required.

Trying not to be misleading is not writing a buyers' guide.

This is not an article. Trigenibinion (talk) 09:53, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

I am with the other editors: most of your edits appear to be pointless, just semi-automated work to inflate your edit count or something.  Mr.choppers | ✎  13:44, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't care about my edit count. While I have made many semi-automated edits, most of them are not. The semi-automated edits are part of collaboration, as it seems most people are not familiar with these tools, and it is easy for me to apply them (bookmarklet). Trigenibinion (talk) 17:25, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

It seems there's a PHEV trend. I hope it does not make things worse, like in Germany. They are also the most unreliable class of vehicles. Trigenibinion (talk) 18:46, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

There should be no tax or carbon breaks for PHEVs based on theoretical efficiency. Trigenibinion (talk) 19:20, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

ANCAP discovered that the build of some non-luxury Japanese cars do not match the safety of the European versions, putting the dual rating in jeopardy. Trigenibinion (talk) 23:06, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

France has a bonus/malus, replacement, and social leasing system based on "greenness"/origin/price/income. The government collects a lot of money from malus. Trigenibinion (talk) 07:13, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

The ecologists succeeded to get a law passed so some of the replaced vehicles are offered for rent to the poor in rural areas instead of being scrapped. Trigenibinion (talk) 08:58, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

They are petrol Crit'Air 3 or better vehicles (1997 or newer). Available for renting for up to 3 years. It would consist of about 16,000 cars. Trigenibinion (talk) 16:44, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Coincidentally, the first Euro NCAP ratings were published in 1997. Trigenibinion (talk) 19:54, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

It seems the only non-super/ultraluxury brands truly worth buying are Lexus and Toyota. Trigenibinion (talk) 00:12, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

But few of their hybrids use NiMH. Trigenibinion (talk) 00:17, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Re: "exaggerating" - Really? You count how many articles have NCAP test results. Are these going to not apply in coming years? Each edit is small but it is across a huge number of articles for many years.

Re: "misleading" - not at all. But if you want to that route then you should also edit every article that quarter mile times are obsolete, emissions results are obsolete, fuel economy figures are obsolete, etc, etc. Some things are just plain obvious that time moves on and we don;t need to mention it - we just give the data of the results and move on without cluttering the article.

Re: "not an article", "France", "ecologists", "Crit'Air 3", "Lexus" - we told you that comparing NCAP's is WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH and you have agreed that these comparisons are not in the articles. So why do you keep bring up comparisons between NCAPS? They serve no useful purpose in this conversation. Please stay focused. Otherwise we will have to treat you like a unfocused, clueless child and simply delete everything you add to articles. Your choice.  Stepho  talk  00:20, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

What I choose to write in my talk page has nothing to do with what I write in articles. Trigenibinion (talk) 00:48, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

You may want to review Wikipedia:User pages on how to use your personal talk page. It has good info. Bahooka (talk) 01:14, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

What you write here should be trying to convince us that you have something worthwhile to say. So far you have shown that you write write random, irrelevant stuff. Stay focused if you want to convince us.  Stepho  talk  02:01, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

I have stopped trying to convince you. Trigenibinion (talk) 02:20, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

The only big edit for Euro NCAP would be to now mark everything pre-2016 as obsolete. But they are not very consistent given the 5-year advertising rule. Trigenibinion (talk) 00:54, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Good, something we can agree on. In the NCAP articles (but no the individual car articles) you can mention whenever the tests get updated - with the supporting references. Perhaps "superseded" is a better word than "obsolete".  Stepho  talk  02:01, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

In the Euro NCAP article it is marked as "archive", as they dump all pre-2016 together (before it was pre-2009, so maybe they are only cutting off the most major changes). Trigenibinion (talk) 02:25, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Beware that "archive" just means a place where old stuff is stored. It doesn't necessarily mean obsolete, it might only mean that people may not be looking at these old results much anymore, so they make room for results of newer cars. We need to look for where they explicitly say they updated tests, not just archived results.  Stepho  talk  02:33, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

For Euro NCAP everything over 5 years old would be obsolete because it is forbidden to advertise. Trigenibinion (talk) 02:36, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

But Euro NCAP discovered some major shortcomings with lane assist and touchscreens, so it would be justified to call all Pre-2026 ratings obsolete by then. Trigenibinion (talk) 21:48, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

In 2009 they introduced the combined rating. In 2016, new dummies. So these would be the most major changes. Trigenibinion (talk) 02:40, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Euro NCAP having some obsolete ratings easily visible would be similar to what the other NCAPs do (Latin NCAP 2 levels, Global NCAP 1 level). Trigenibinion (talk) 10:07, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

It is not obvious to me what is obsolete in those characteristics you mention. I am not a car freak. Trigenibinion (talk) 00:59, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

I listed a number of important figures for cars that can change for each year (eg: how fast it goes, how much smog it makes, how much fuel it uses). If you want to mark things that are not current as "obsolete" then for consistency you should also be marking these things. But it builds up into a huuuuge amount of work - for no gain.  Stepho  talk  02:01, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Maybe the fuel efficiency and cleanliness would be as important to mark as obsolete as the safety ratings, but I don't know what indicates something is subpar. Trigenibinion (talk) 02:27, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

A car with an obsolete 5-star rating could get 0 or 5 in a current rating. Trigenibinion (talk) 02:51, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

And some of them are made in Brexitland or Trumpmuskmurdochland. Trigenibinion (talk) 15:39, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

And some have poor safety ratings. Trigenibinion (talk) 22:48, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Less than 1% of cars sold in Argentina are extrazone (it used to be 2%). There used to be leasing for companies but not for individuals. I guess one has to settle for buying the 5 Latin stars of the Corolla made in Brazil with "only" 56% tax content. Trigenibinion (talk) 21:06, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

In the end one has to buy an unrated Hilux made in Argentina because pickups have 46% tax content. Trigenibinion (talk) 22:53, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

But the Corolla is much cheaper. With the Hilux one is paying for an unwanted big engine. Trigenibinion (talk) 09:37, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

There should be a tax bonus for 5-star latest Latin NCAP vehicles, so that manufacturers improve them and send them for testing. Trigenibinion (talk) 10:58, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Foe extrazone vehicles, there should be a bonus for actual 5-star latest Euro NCAP, no bonus for Latin NCAP. Trigenibinion (talk) 11:01, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

A vehicle that is only assembled in the zone should be considered extrazone. Trigenibinion (talk) 11:05, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

If a zone vehicle gets actual 5-star current Euro NCAP, it should get both bonuses. Trigenibinion (talk) 11:11, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Bipolar NiMH FHEVs and non-highly inefficient/explosive/toxic fuel FCEVs should get bonus. Trigenibinion (talk) 11:16, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Pure CNG vehicles should get tax bonus, cumulative with bipolar NiMH FHEV. Trigenibinion (talk) 13:41, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

MGU-H should get bonus. Trigenibinion (talk) 14:01, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Bonus for non-SUV/pickup. Trigenibinion (talk) 04:26, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Bonus for station wagon. Trigenibinion (talk) 04:34, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Bonus for MPV. Trigenibinion (talk) 04:36, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Bonus for sedan with 562 liter boot or larger. Trigenibinion (talk) 04:38, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Bonus for UHD Blu-ray player. Trigenibinion (talk) 04:42, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Bonus for DTT (with all seg modes). Trigenibinion (talk) 04:44, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Bonus for DRM radio. Trigenibinion (talk) 04:46, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Bonus for normal door handles. Trigenibinion (talk) 04:47, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Bonus for no keyless. Trigenibinion (talk) 04:48, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Bonus for decoupled nav/entertainment system and double DIN. Trigenibinion (talk) 04:53, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Bonus for Euro NCAP 2026 ergonomics recommendations. Trigenibinion (talk) 04:56, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Bonus depending on true amount of total local content. Trigenibinion (talk) 13:15, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Bonus for SACD player. Trigenibinion (talk) 14:58, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Bonus for DVD-A player. Trigenibinion (talk) 14:59, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

If the bonus is in percentage points, the government can actually collect more money as the vehicle price increases. Trigenibinion (talk) 18:09, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Additional bonus for each audio and video file format. Trigenibinion (talk) 22:21, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Additional bonus for SDUC slot. Trigenibinion (talk) 22:24, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Bonus for glasses-free 3D screen. Trigenibinion (talk) 22:11, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Additional bonus for each surround format and increased matching speaker configuration. Trigenibinion (talk) 22:18, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Bonus for spare wheel that does not occupy the boot. Trigenibinion (talk) 22:32, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Additional bonus if full size (total must be lower than CNG bonus). Trigenibinion (talk) 22:32, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Bonus depending on tire longevity. Trigenibinion (talk) 22:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Bonus for ventilated disk or electromagnetic brakes on all wheels. Trigenibinion (talk) 22:39, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Additional bonus for locally-made Bipolar NiMH batteries depending on local content and ecoresponsibility (FHEV). Trigenibinion (talk) 17:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Bonus for engine produced locally. Trigenibinion (talk) 23:52, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Additional bonus if the Bipolar NiMH FHEV is a series hybrid. Trigenibinion (talk) 01:38, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Additional bonus if the engine is Wankel. Trigenibinion (talk) 08:39, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Additional bonus if the engine is bifuel. Trigenibinion (talk) 08:40, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Additional bonus if the engine is multifuel. Trigenibinion (talk) 08:43, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Bipolar NiMH EV quadricycles (up to 150 km range) and 2 o 3-wheelers should get bonus. Trigenibinion (talk) 14:56, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Public transport should pay no VAT. Trigenibinion (talk) 14:58, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Bonus for Bipolar NiMH EV kei cars and trucks with up to 180km range, kei vans up to 245km. Trigenibinion (talk) 17:02, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Bonus for Cornering ABS. Trigenibinion (talk) 22:43, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Additional bonus if the Bipolar NiMH FHEV uses a non-diesel compression ignition engine. Trigenibinion (talk) 21:12, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Mexico and China should be extrazone for all vehicles in all Mercosur. Trigenibinion (talk) 08:18, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Latin NCAP should not include Mexico. Trigenibinion (talk) 08:36, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

US NCAP needs to be at least as demanding as Euro NCAP and replaced by NANCAP. Trigenibinion (talk) 08:50, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Chile and Peru should not be in Latin NCAP, they are CPTPP members. Trigenibinion (talk) 13:33, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Ecuador should be in Euro NCAP. They have 0% tariffs for EU vehicles. Trigenibinion (talk) 14:16, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Ratings would not apply for vehicles not made in the EU. Trigenibinion (talk) 14:31, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

The EU should mandate that it is forbidden to export less safe versions. Trigenibinion (talk) 14:35, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Ecuador should mandate that it is forbidden to import less safe versions. Trigenibinion (talk) 14:47, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

If another country forbids to produce lesser versions than what appears in Euro NCAP their results could also be valid for Ecuador. Trigenibinion (talk) 00:24, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Mercosur should forbid exporting lesser versions than what appears on Latin NCAP so that 5-star cars can be sold to India and Africa as the lowest tier of premium cars (assuming they can be sold for less than similar 5-star ASEAN NCAP cars with the same guarantee). 5-star Global NCAP or Bharat MCAP cars should not be sold in Latam unless they get a 5-star Latin NCAP rating there (because Euro NCAP 2014 is obsolete). India should forbid that their cars which get a Latin/ASEAN/Euro/A NCAP rating be sold in a lesser version in their own country. India should forbid exporting lesser versions than what appears on Global (India) or Bharat NCAP. India should not export to AU/NZ cars which don't get a 5-star ANCAP rating (the usual there). Trigenibinion (talk) 00:09, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

ANCAP should become CPTPP NCAP. No need for US NCAP changes then. Canada, Mexico, Chile, Peru, and the UK can go there. Trigenibinion (talk) 22:14, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

There should be no special deals for the UK by the EU. Trigenibinion (talk) 10:06, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

There is now Ford leasing in Argentina with very high interest (normal in pesos). Trigenibinion (talk) 12:25, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

I think now one would actually need a variable rate in pesos to get into this. It also seems this might only be interesting if you don't plan on returning the vehicle. Trigenibinion (talk) 13:57, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Renting vehicles always owned by the manufacturer would be better. Trigenibinion (talk) 22:39, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Renting, non-social leasing, or buying an EV might not be worth it in Europe anymore. Trigenibinion (talk) 01:12, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Please note that by filling a talk page with random off-topic stuff like this, you are actually driving away productive editors from engaging in discussion on the talk page. — AP 499D25 (talk) 00:11, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Hey there Trigenibinion. Please stay on the topic of answering the other person's question if you'd like your voice to be heard clearly. — AP 499D25 (talk) 09:43, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Has no engineering knowledge, doesn't listen to the advice of others, substitutes his own agenda, takes silence as agreement - I predict he will do well in management or politics :)  Stepho  talk  02:26, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

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