User talk:TheDiaboloBoy
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[edit]TheDiaboloBoy, since you haven't been active for some time, I'm going to mark as resolved your request on the Resource Exchange. If you return at some point and still want it, feel free to drop me a note on my talk page, or respond to my email. --Usernameunique (talk) 01:09, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
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Snowycats (talk) 04:59, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
Requesting resources
[edit]Hey! I'm not sure if you're aware, but WP:RX is intended for requesting resources to aid in contributing to Wikipedia. Per the notes at the top of the page, We share content under a presumed non-commercial, educational, fair use purpose to improve our articles or create new ones.
Therefore, those responding to requests generally assume they're doing so to contribute to Wikipedia. I don't want to make big assumptions here, but your contribution history shows zero edits outside of that page except for one to create your user page, which leads me to believe you're not requesting these resources to contribute to Wikipedia articles.
If you do not use these resources for educational purposes, such as contributing to Wikipedia, the exception of fair use disappears, and sharing these items with you becomes a likely copyright violation. This could become a legal issue for you, the people sharing resources with you, and Wikipedia if a copyright holder were to find out.
If you'd like to start contributing to Wikipedia, I'd love to help out—there are some helpful links at the top of this page you can use to get started. Otherwise, I'd ask and recommend that you not use the Resource Request forum for personal/other use. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 20:54, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
Moved from User talk:Bsoyka- Yes, I am intending to use these sources to improve articles related to Serbian and Italian mutual affairs as well as the reception of the discovery of Tutankhamun's tomb in Serbia. The result of my researches will be published on Serbian and English Wikipedia. Currently I am reading a Serbian newspaper (Politika), which helps me "locate" or rather find its foreign sources. First, I want to see the full potential of the topics I described above, and then I will use sources provided kindly by this team to improve Wikipedian articles in Serbian and English. Believe me, I have been tirelessly reading Politika for months. I have made a long list (you can even call it - a bibliography) of articles useful for various topics. Additionally I have transcribed all the articles I have received so far. At least I can publish them on Wikisource. But so far I have not started a new article, because, as I said, I want to explore the full scope (or rather the utmost limit) of some topics discussed in Serbian, British and American newspapers.--TheDiaboloBoy (talk) 21:22, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Respectfully, I'm sure you can understand my hesitance here, considering you've been requesting resources for several years without using/citing a single one on either the Serbian or English Wikipedias that I can see. As for your strategy of exploring the entire history of the relations between these countries before contributing here, I advise against that—Wikipedia is built on small, incremental changes. If you're planning to do a sudden significant "overhaul" of related articles, I advise against that too, as those larger edits are rarely well-received by the editing community. (Also, you cannot publish all the articles you've received on Wikisource as they are not freely licensed.) Bsoyka (t • c • g) 21:36, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, I have in mind the material received in previous years, I have the transcriptions of all the articles I have received so far. They can be used anytime. It just took me a while to fix some things in my private life. Life is not easy in my country, but I have not left Wikipedia. :) The articles I have received are mostly written by people died a long time ago. For example, the article about the discovery of Tutankhamun's tomb was written by a scientist who died in 1934. A moment ago I posted his article. I think, in this case, it is permitted to re-publish an article. As for contributing to articles, no I don't want to "overhaul" existing articles (If you by that you mean rewriting them completely). I just want to create completely new articles or, at least, add some new pieces of information to existing ones. You know, to enrich them with new data.--TheDiaboloBoy (talk) 22:08, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Respectfully, I'm sure you can understand my hesitance here, considering you've been requesting resources for several years without using/citing a single one on either the Serbian or English Wikipedias that I can see. As for your strategy of exploring the entire history of the relations between these countries before contributing here, I advise against that—Wikipedia is built on small, incremental changes. If you're planning to do a sudden significant "overhaul" of related articles, I advise against that too, as those larger edits are rarely well-received by the editing community. (Also, you cannot publish all the articles you've received on Wikisource as they are not freely licensed.) Bsoyka (t • c • g) 21:36, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
A moment ago, I added a new paragraph (based on the material kindly provided by you and your colleagues) in the article w:E. A. Wallis Budge. I had trouble finding the right template. They are so complicated to implement. :)) No legal issues as far as I am concerned. I'll use everything at my disposal to improve the project. And there will be no objection. What for? I am only using old newspaper articles. Those people are dead for decades. Just need some time to find the publication date of some English-language articles. Don't you worry, I will use them all in Wikipedia corresponding articles.
He was one of the first authors to write about the discovery of the tomb of Tutankhamun, and also one of the first experts to give an analysis of artifacts found there. His observations on the subject were published in The Times. He called the exploit of Howard Carter and his financier Lord Carnarvon a "crowning discovery". In particular, he praised Carnarvon's willingness to financially support the entire venture: "England may congratulate herself that even in these days of the 'Axe' men can be found willing and magnanimous enough to spend treasure merely with the idea of increasing the sum of human knowledge."[7]
--TheDiaboloBoy (talk) 23:32, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- I appreciate that personal lives can be difficult—I just think your way of researching here might need some adjustment. Our goal is not to help you build a library of resources that
can be used anytime
but to give you resources to use for specific articles. (So, in your future requests, please mention which article you plan to use your requested resource for. This is something mentioned toward the top of WP:RX in bold.)Also, U.S. newspapers published in/after 1930 can still be copyrighted. (See wikisource:H:PD for more info.) Regardless of whether the author is dead, the copyright probably belongs to the newspaper company and may have been renewed. Therefore, again, when we as volunteers share copyrighted resources with you, we take on legal risk and can only justify sharing under fair use when you have an actual plan as to how the resource will be used here (i.e. a specific article). Bsoyka (t • c • g) 00:19, 10 January 2025 (UTC)- All right then, I will specify the article I want to improve. I think that that will settle some of our misunderstandings. Please, don't you worry about copyright issues. I have requested only newspaper articles published before 1930. I have never requested a source dated after 1930. No one should be complaining. At least it is hard to imagine such a situation. One of those articles was written by w:Grafton Elliot Smith, whose works, as I see on Wikisource, are in public domain. So I can publish the transcription of his articles there. I transcribe articles to sort them by date and make it easier for me to find them later when they reach a large number. I have been doing that since 2017. Believe me, a single newspaper article means nothing, but when taken together with similar others, its context becomes clear. I want to give Wikipedia readers that perspective of wholeness.TheDiaboloBoy (talk) 09:17, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, when contributing to one of the most-visited websites in the world, it becomes necessary to
worry about copyright issues.
Just because you can'timagine a situation
where someoneshould be complaining
doesn't mean we can ignore copyright law, especially on Wikimedia projects where your contributions become freely-licensed and publicly visible. We have to be careful what we share and even more careful what we publish directly via Wikisource. (A quick skim of your edit history showed me at least 8 times where you requested sources published after 1930, as late as 1999.)Also, please look into our policy of verifiability, which explains whya single newspaper article
means a lot to our project. Every sentence you add must be verifiable using a particular source, which is why it becomes important—especially for less experienced editors—to cite as you go so you don't forget which information came from which sources.I also think you should take a look at our policy against original research, particularly the section on synthesis of published material. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 16:12, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, when contributing to one of the most-visited websites in the world, it becomes necessary to
- All right then, I will specify the article I want to improve. I think that that will settle some of our misunderstandings. Please, don't you worry about copyright issues. I have requested only newspaper articles published before 1930. I have never requested a source dated after 1930. No one should be complaining. At least it is hard to imagine such a situation. One of those articles was written by w:Grafton Elliot Smith, whose works, as I see on Wikisource, are in public domain. So I can publish the transcription of his articles there. I transcribe articles to sort them by date and make it easier for me to find them later when they reach a large number. I have been doing that since 2017. Believe me, a single newspaper article means nothing, but when taken together with similar others, its context becomes clear. I want to give Wikipedia readers that perspective of wholeness.TheDiaboloBoy (talk) 09:17, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- As one of the editors who originally provided requested resources numerous times, and later stopped due to my concerns, I will continue to provide you with resources so long as you are using them to improve Wikipedia or Wikisource (or other project). It would be best if you noted which page you would be improving when you are requesting a resource. For Wikisource, please make sure you understand the copyright rules. ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 00:43, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- @ARandomName123, @Bsoyka: What do you all think? Wouldn't it streamline the Resource Exchange Project to grant TheDiaboloBoy access to The Wikipedia Library? (All it would take is reaching out to the Wikipedia Library administrator.) This way, he could obtain a lot of material on his own without overloading the project. When I first started with Wikipedia, I spent a ton of time researching and organizing articles, which eventually led to some really awesome Wikipedia entries. So, what's your take on giving him the access (assuming good faith)? – Doc Taxon • Talk • 12:07, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Doc Taxon: It would streamline the project to give every single editor access to TWL, but content providers sign on to share things with us under the assumption that only a more limited number of experienced editors will have access. I'm sorry, and I don't mean to be rude, but I don't think someone with 12 mainspace edits who is currently learning the basics of citations here meets my definition of an experienced editor.I appreciate what they're trying to do, but I'm not even sure such exceptions are granted in general. I really don't want to be the bad guy here, but I'd personally like to see them contribute to Wikipedia using the many resources we've already shared for that purpose before sharing millions more. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 16:24, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- I'd personally like too! – Doc Taxon • Talk • 17:51, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Doc Taxon: It would streamline the project to give every single editor access to TWL, but content providers sign on to share things with us under the assumption that only a more limited number of experienced editors will have access. I'm sorry, and I don't mean to be rude, but I don't think someone with 12 mainspace edits who is currently learning the basics of citations here meets my definition of an experienced editor.I appreciate what they're trying to do, but I'm not even sure such exceptions are granted in general. I really don't want to be the bad guy here, but I'd personally like to see them contribute to Wikipedia using the many resources we've already shared for that purpose before sharing millions more. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 16:24, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- @ARandomName123, @Bsoyka: What do you all think? Wouldn't it streamline the Resource Exchange Project to grant TheDiaboloBoy access to The Wikipedia Library? (All it would take is reaching out to the Wikipedia Library administrator.) This way, he could obtain a lot of material on his own without overloading the project. When I first started with Wikipedia, I spent a ton of time researching and organizing articles, which eventually led to some really awesome Wikipedia entries. So, what's your take on giving him the access (assuming good faith)? – Doc Taxon • Talk • 12:07, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
Bsoyka, a little while ago, I supplemented the article about Mr. Eugene Chen with the article from the Daily Express I had previously received. Don't you worry, I will be applying all the resources I have acquired so far. I am planning to do that with the article on Italy–Yugoslavia relations as well.--TheDiaboloBoy (talk) 23:38, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- I also supplemented the articles about Nikola Pašić and Italian-Yugoslav relations with the material received maybe a week ago. I am continuing to be contributive to the project. Believe it or not, I use Politika, a Serbian newspaper, to learn what the English and Politika press were writing about certain events important to the history of the world. I have been systematically reading the newspaper for weeks and months just to open new perspectives. :) I will use all the resources I have been provided with. Don't you worry. --TheDiaboloBoy (talk) 14:25, 11 January 2025 (UTC)