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Open Here

Heya. Thanks for doing the copy edit of Open Here. This was the first time I'd requested a copy edit from the Guild of Copy Editors, so I'm not sure: is there anything else that needs to be done? Are any actionable items that I need to address archived anywhere or anything, or do you simply do the copy edits yourself and then it's done? Just checking. Thanks again! — Hunter Kahn 15:27, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

@Hunter Kahn: unless you feel any other bits of copyediting need to be done, there's nothing else you need to do. Good luck for your FA nomination of this article! Thanks, Thatoneweirdwikier Say hi 15:47, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Copy edit of Open Here

Thanks for your copy edit of Open Here. I made some additional changes to the article which you can review in the article's history. A couple notes:

  • There were two sentences with clarity problems, which I corrected after checking the online sources (my changes in square brackets):
    • The song pushes back against [the idea] that painful or dark feelings are the most meaningful.
    • Peter Brewis said that deadline ultimately helped the recording process, resulting in a looser and less uninhabited [uninhibited] album
  • Open Here made several year-end lists of the best albums of 2018, including #15 on musicOMH The numero character (#) isn't universally used as a shorthand for "number", so we prefer to use the abbreviation "No." instead (MOS:NUMERO).

Please let me know if you have any questions. – Reidgreg (talk) 17:44, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

@Reidgreg: Thanks for the extra copyedits! Thanks, Thatoneweirdwikier Say hi 18:05, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
In case you were wondering... I didn't have time to review the rest of your copy edits, but I did reduce your wordcount a bit after running the prosesize script on the pre-copy edit versions of the articles. Also, some of them only had sections tagged for copy edit. Let me know if you have any questions about it. I think it's still a pretty good barnstar (below).
Thanks for all your work on the blitz, and happy new year! – Reidgreg (talk) 22:46, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
@Reidgreg: Fair enough. I've obviously never done this before, but it's good knowledge to have going in to future blitzes. Just to ask, though: I use a tablet primarily for Wikipedia editing. How can I download the prosesize script (I understand that I can use it on a computer)? Have a happy new year! Thanks, Thatoneweirdwikier Say hi 06:28, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
I just tried on an iPad, and it didn't display the sidebar where the java tools are normally collected. It may not be possible to run the gadgets and advanced editing tools. (The mobile version of Wikipedia doesn't seem to send the java tools like prosesize.) I didn't spot anything at Help:Mobile access, so there probably isn't yet an app with these features. To run it on a computer, follow the instructions at User:Dr pda/prosesize, modify your common.js file at Special:MyPage/common.js. Then when you request a Wikpedia page it will also send the javascript for prosesize, which will put a little "Page size" on the left sidebar under Tools. Click on it to toggle it on and off. (Alternatively, you can enable it as a gadget at Preferences → Gadgets → Testing and development → Prosesize.) If you can't get it to work, just leave the word counts blank and one of the coordinators will fill them in at the end of the blitz. – Reidgreg (talk) 23:54, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

December blitz bling

The Barnstar of Diligence
This barnstar is awarded to Thatoneweirdwikier for copy edits totaling over 30,000 words (including rollover words) during the GOCE December 2019 Copy Editing Blitz. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 22:13, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

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Suppressed edits

Hi, Thatoneweirdwikier, I have unfortunately had to suppress some of your edits because they reveal too much personally identifiable information about you. We have a policy of protecting editors' safety by hiding such information if they share it. I'm really sorry about having to suppress your edits, and I know it's annoying, but it's for the best. Please don't re-add the information. For some useful information on privacy and safety, you can take a look at Wikipedia:Guidance for younger editors and Wikipedia:On privacy, confidentiality and discretion. Thanks, and sorry for messing about with your pages! Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 17:24, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
L235, how did the edits reveal information about me? Thanks, Thatoneweirdwikier Say hi 17:26, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
Hi Thatoneweirdwikier, I've sent you a follow-up email. Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 17:42, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
L235, thanks for the clarification. Thanks, Thatoneweirdwikier Say hi 18:27, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

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Pallacanestro Cantù

Hello:

Happy New Year and thanks for participating in the Guild of Copy Editors January drive.

I doubt that anyone who edits Wikipedia has ever read the whole Manual of Style so it's very easy to make minor "mistakes" (according to the MOS). I do it all the time, I'm sure. I had a quick look at Pallacanestro Cantù, as a Guild coordinator, and wanted to bring a couple of small points to your attention. In the section "1969–1979:The second scuddeto" you added a WP link to "scuddato". According to the Wikipedia Manual of Style (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Linking) Section headings should not themselves contain links. I removed the link and added it to the first use of the term in the body of the paragraph.

In the section "1984–1994: Forty years" in the first division you added a WP link to the word "stalling" to suggest a delay of play during a game. The meaning of the sentence actually was that the team's progress "stalled" and they were not succeeding. I removed the link.

In the section "1979–1984: The European title" the contraction "didn't" appeared. Again, according to the MOS (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Abbreviations#Contractions) Contractions such as aren't should not be used in Wikipedia. I changed it to "did not".

The rest of the article looks fine.

Do let me know if you have any questions. I'll try to do the best I can to answer them for you.

Thanks again for your contributions. Enjoy the Drive!

Twofingered Typist (talk) 16:13, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Twofingered Typist, thank you for your suggestions! I will take them into account. Happy New Year! Thanks, Thatoneweirdwikier Say hi 16:31, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Yolanda Lopez

Hello Again:

Just had a quick look at the article Yolanda Lopez and wanted to point out a couple of things.

There is a direct quote by Lopez used in the biography section which has no citation. Any quotes like this need to be cited so I added a "citation needed" tag.

Titles of works of art, including prints, and art exhibitions should be in italics.

A number of quotation marks were "curly" the result of copying text into Wikipedia. These should be straight (completely vertical).

Wikipedia uses the logical style for punctuation quotations. It is described here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Quotation_marks

See the heading "Punctuation inside or outside". Have a read through this. I think I fixed the article's punctuation accordingly. I have found this one the toughest things in the MOS to get my head around, by the way.

Regards,

Twofingered Typist (talk) 14:56, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi Twofingered Typist, apologies if this copyedit wasn't as good as previous ones. I honestly found it difficult to work the quotation marks out. Thanks for the help! Thanks, Thatoneweirdwikier Say hi 15:03, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
@Thatoneweirdwikier: No need to apologize! For the most part the copy edit was just fine. The devil is in the details and that just takes time and experience. Twofingered Typist (talk) 15:43, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Re: KABC-TV

You correct some errors but create new ones (e.g. "Rams's") and leave others unchecked. That makes you a bad copy editor. I know you're new on Wikipedia and you're not supposed to bite the newcomers, but I think you should leave this stuff to more experienced copy editors. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 22:50, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Mvcg66b3r, while I may not be a good copy editor, I take opportunities like the current copyediting drive to gain experience on things like these. If you don't think my copyedit was good enough (which is a fair complaint), let the Guild of Copy Editors know, and they can remove it from my list. However, please remember to assume good faith if you have any problems. Thanks, Thatoneweirdwikier Say hi 06:15, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
FYI, while "Los Angeles Rams" is a proper name for a singular entity (a sports team), sometimes such names are treated as plural for agreement. It can be tricky; with an awkward possessive, it's usually best to rephrase to avoid any argument. I appreciate your civility here and am confident that you are making improvements and I'll try to review some of your recent edits and provide feedback. Actually, since I'm in a dispute with the above editor, I've flagged this at the drive talk page for another coordinator. In the meantime, and I'm sure you're doing good work, but maybe you could slow down a little, triple-check your work, and consult the relevant style guides if there's anything you're unsure about. – Reidgreg (talk) 12:14, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
Reidgreg, thanks for the advice! I'll slow down a bit. Thanks, Thatoneweirdwikier Say hi 12:18, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

The article is a bit of a mess (lots of unsourced information), but this makes it a good article to practice copy editing. I'm going to provide some specific feedback on your edits, and have underlined your changes in the quoted edits. Please let me know if this is difficult to follow:

  • KABC-TV, also the virtual and VHF digital channel 7, is an ABC owned-and-operated television station I think this is technically wrong. The station broadcasts on these channels/frequencies in a certain area but it is not the same thing as the channels/frequencies. I'd be cautious even saying "also known as" there unless it was a strong part of the station's branding (with citation). (For the same reason, I agree with your changing "Channel 7" to "KABC-TV" elsewhere in the article.)
  • KECA-TV changed its call sign to the present-day KABC-TV. In this case you removed "the present-day" which is correct. This is a good catch; we've got to be careful about saying "presently" or "currently" or "to this day" about statements that are subject to change, especially when there was no citation for that paragraph (citations usually include a date which gives an indication of how out-of-date the material might be).
  • into a new state-of-the-art facility You wikilinked the term. I can see you doing that if you feel the term is colloquial and wouldn't be universally understood. However, for the same reason, I feel that it has tone issues and should probably be removed. "State of the art" sounds a bit like a peacock phrase and is probably too subjective to be in Wikipedia's voice. Also, if it was state-of-the-art in 2000, is that relevant now? Plus there's no citation so it should be handled as neutrally as possible (the reader would generally assume that a new purpose-built studio would be up to date for that time).
  • carries re-broadcasts ... due to pre-emptions You added the hyphens. These are a bit of a judgement call. There is a trend in English toward joining without a hyphen; as hyphenated words become familiar they tend to lose the hyphen and become a word on their own (MOS:HYPHEN). I would tend to hyphenate pre-emption because of the double vowel, but not hyphenate rebroadcasts, or rephrase.
  • examples include in the same sentence as the above... well, it's really quite a mess. You correctly broke the independent clauses with a semicolon, but it's still too long and has that parenthetic that goes on and on. One wonders how notable ("of note") these examples are when they are uncited (which is, by definition, how Wikipedians determine notabilty). I would have probably deleted the entire parenthetic as non-encyclopedic, or at least tagged it with[citation needed] or somesuch.
  • despite operating at a high effective radiated power of 25,000 watts You linked watts. This is another judgement call, but I feel that it is WP:OVERLINKING. It is a relatively common term, and if you go to the other link, effective radiated power, that article has watts linked in the second sentence of the lead. This is usually the case, that it's better to link the more specific article, which will tend to have related terms linked in its lead. I feel that it's more valuable to the reader to provide the specific link (which may be difficult to find), and if the reader needs more general information the lead of that article will quickly link them to general articles. That goes for a few other places as well.
  • Prior to ABC's annual telecasts of the Academy Awards, KABC-TV produces a live pre-awards show and post-awards show, On The Red Carpet at the Oscars Here you linked Oscars. This is overlinking because Oscars is a redirect to Academy Awards which is linked in the same sentence. Also, we should try not to link terms within a title or quotation (MOS:LWQ).
  • ABC News chief James Hagerty → the chief of ABC News, James Hagerty, I don't feel there was anything wrong with the former, which flows better in context without the commas. However, Hagerty isn't mentioned again in the article so it isn't needed to give his name and could simply use "the chief of ABC News".
  • who had previously worked for rival KNXT. You linked KNXT. Be careful that you are linking to the correct target, as KNXT didn't begin broadcasting until 20 years after the described event; the KNXT that's relevant is KNXT (Los Angeles), which is now known by another name.
  • the 1967 film Cool Hand Luke You removed the italics from the title Cool Hand Luke here and in a couple other places. Titles of major art works (films, books, sculptures, plays, music albums, TV series, etc.) get italic titles (MOS:MAJORWORK). Similarly with Eyewitness News. If unsure, see if the linked article uses italics (that at least gets you a second opinion, though it isn't necessarily a correct one).
  • became the designated broadcast home of Los Angeles Rams's games in 2016 I don't feel that there was anything wrong with using "Los Angeles Rams" as a modifier for "games" in the original. If you do use the possessive, I think you'd have to precede it with the definite article the as with the later "the Rams' ".
  • The station also carries NFL post-season wild-card games. You hyphenated post-season, which I fully endorse for the long string of modifiers here.

I think the other edits were improvements, and that you had generally improved the article despite a few missteps. I'd appreciate it, though, if you went over your other copy edits for the drive with the above points in mind. – Reidgreg (talk) 18:52, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Thanks, Thatoneweirdwikier Say hi 20:27, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Re: Geoffrey Rush edits

Hi,Thatoneweirdwikier you reverted my good faith edits for Geoffrey Rush. However I would like to try to convince you why I think my edits should be reverted back. I did a lot of researched on his theatre credits and specifically sourced each credit, and I think his work in theatre is paramount to his career and to the page. So could we revert those changes back? Also I really like the separation of the his work in Film and Television. That makes it easier for the reader to see. Also I removed the unnecessary film awards included in their filmography because they are already added in the Awards and Nominations section. Plus it just makes it look unattractive and bulky. Thanks for reading this and hope you agree!

Hi 108.4.68.21. Personally, I felt that the original version had more in-depth coverage. It is important that Wikipedia is as comprehensible as possible, so removing sections (as you did with your edit) doesn't really fit with that. I hope that explains it. If you have any further queries, please post them here and use four tildes (~~~~) to sign your posts. Thank you for your query! Thanks, Thatoneweirdwikier Say hi 15:40, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Say hi I just respectfully disagree. We already have his awards listed in his Awards and Nominations section. Why have them repeated in the filmography? Also I added a full Theatre Credits section which was removed. Can that be replaced back? Removing it made the page less comprehensive. Thanks 108.4.68.21 (talk) 16:52, 11 January 2020 (UTC)108.4.68.21

Just realised that the source was incorrect for showing me your edit! trout Self-trout for that. Anyways, I'll put it back now. Thanks for asking! Also, I can't seem to get your older edit back. Sorry! Thanks, Thatoneweirdwikier Say hi 17:51, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Thatoneweirdwikier Thank you so much! 108.4.68.21 (talk) 18:20, 11 January 2020 (UTC)108.4.68.21

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