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IP editor's faulty crystal ball

Hey. Just thought you might find this funny. Yesterday evening you reverted an IP editor who said Kemi Badenoch would be the candidate eliminated in today's ballot, turns out it was actually Tom Tugendhat. I think IP needs a new crystal ball! Sideswipe9th (talk) 19:31, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

@Sideswipe9th: Yeah it quite ironic isn't it? It also reminds us why Wikipedia has a consensus not to treat these psychics as reliable sources, doesn't it?! Though I'm not sure that consensus is explicitly worded anywhere... --TedEdwards 21:41, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Next United Kingdom general election infobox

Hi, I just wanted to ask why you don't like the more detailed info box. If you think having 9 parties is unnecessary then you could have removed all but Labour, Conservative, Lib Dem and SNP. It is also the standard template for most major upcoming elections see 2022 United States House of Representatives elections, next Finnish parliamentary election and next German federal election. As well as past elections see 2020 United States House of Representatives elections, 2019 Finnish parliamentary election and 2021 German federal election. The template in terms of the information it gives and the visual representation of it is in my opinion is just better. I have started a discussion on the talk page about it. — RealFakeKimT 22:19, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi RealFakeKim, thanks for reaching out to me and I'm sorry I didn't see your message sooner. Regarding your comparisons to other pages, I would point you to the essay WP:When to use or avoid "other stuff exists" arguments and the guideline MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE, the latter saying The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance. With regard to "other stuff exists", that does not mean one article can't do the same as another, but to make a valid arguement on doing that, I think a) you need to say why it works on that article and b) why it will work on this article.

So, looking at the US House elections, there are only two parties in that House. This means Template:Infobox election is a good idea for the 2022 election because not much detail needs to be brought across, so using that infobox (which, in terms of information, only adds photos of the leaders) is a good choice, as there is room for less essential detail. However, with the UK election, there are many more than two parties, and for the next election, especially since it is likely over a year away, you can't say which of the many parties will be significant in representing to overall result; for example, a previously minor party could recieve a large swing (take 2015 with the swing to SNP, which I don't think was predicted say in early 2014). So while after elections the minor parties can be excluded, before an election you don't know which those parties are, so the best position is to include all the parties, but remove the photos as less-essential detail, to meet the purpose of an infobox to summarise key facts.

Regarding the Finnish elections, I think that the previous election's infobox has way too much information for a reader to absorb. So if I had anything to do with that page (I don't due to my somewhat lack of knowledge of Finnish politics) I would probably overhaul that infobox. --TedEdwards 21:43, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

It is surly not relevant what may or may not happen in the election. The purpose of the infobox before the election is to display information about the state of parliament before the election. Therefor the information provided by the infobox is of value as it shows how the situation has changed. See the infobox regarding the next German federal election it is a PR multi party system meaning the results of the election could be wildly different from the one before. Yet it still uses the more in-depth infobox. — RealFakeKimT 10:53, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

So you're right when you say what the purpose of the infoboxes for future elections is. But TILE does that to the same degree of detail as TIE, bar the photos of the leaders, which are good to have but are not essential so I believe they should be removed if there's a lot of parties (in other words, a lot of detail needs to be conveyed about the current state of Parliament). I think your comparison when the next German election isn't valid, as there are only 6 parties in the Bundestag (technically 7, but it's fairly common to count CDU and CSU as one, as you might already know) so there's more room for less essential detail i.e. the leaders' portraits. But there are 11 parties in the House of Commons, which a) too many for TIE to represent and b) even if TIE could include that number of parties it still wouldn't be a good idea as you're giving the reader too much information to absorb at a glance (see the quote I took earlier taken from MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE) with the added leaders' portraits. --TedEdwards 22:27, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Doctor Who News website.

It's a reliable source and you don't know that they "have no idea" where it's from. If it's an RS and it supports the statement then it can be used as the source. Romomusicfan (talk) 16:13, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

@Romomusicfan: Yes, if it actually said explicitly that Ncuti was appearing in the anniversary specials, which it doesn't. The way you're interpreting the caption is really clutching at straws. --TedEdwards 16:27, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

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