User talk:Snapper2/Archive 2

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Done

I've finished combining the jutsu lists here. It could use a little copyediting to fix some of the language, but that's a moot point. As expected, it's a tad bit too long, but a significant portion can be put under the respective kekkei genkai or character. Sephiroth BCR 00:59, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

The other media ninjutsu page

Given the mass amounts of vandalism and utterly random video game jutsu that are dumped on that page, could we move the relevant jutsu and then set an Afd for it? Practically all of it won't be missed, and most of the relevant ones are already in the combined jutsu page in any case. Sephiroth BCR 05:54, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Incorporating jutsu

Most of the list of remaining jutsu have been incorporated. The only ones I haven't touched are the summoning ones you said you would deal with and the ones with multiple users. For the ones with multiple users, I would place it it with the more major character, or if this is not possible, the character first seen using it. Thoughts? Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 18:06, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

User talk:Iorinyc

Honestly, I'm sick of discussing with him. It reminds me of anons at GameFaqs boards who can't spell a word correctly to save their life, yet alone provide a coherent idea. He's violated WP:3RR in any case. Should I report him, or remind him first? I honestly don't think it will stop him, but I'll defer to your judgment. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 02:59, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

A different take

In the latest stretch of ideas, I've developed this as a possible alternative to the jutsu list present here. It provides a more concise list format, and is more bearable to the eye. Comments? Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 07:34, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

33% = a third

No because techincally 33.3333333333333333333333333ect.% equals a third, not 33%, that equals 99%, unless your rounding of course.Sam ov the blue sand 04:36, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Itachi Uchiha

I lefted a few comments on that talk page and hoped you could enlighten me with your thoughts again. Lord Sesshomaru

Dammit, now I'm having second thoughts. Though Zabuza is a notorious assassin, he is just as acclaimed as Itachi for slaughtering an abundance of people. Er, is that sort of correct? You mind if I re-add Zabuza to the mass murderer cat.? I know how you feel about these trivial matters, but... Lord Sesshomaru

And Sasori? We've gone over this, but just to be on the safe side. Lord Sesshomaru

How Come?

How come Deidara doesn't have his own profile like Itachi and the other ones? I mean We know alot about Deidara, probably just as much of him as Itachi. Also same with Kisame. Akuba Ketsueki

Oh, I'm sorry, then. I see you're point. Akuba Ketsueki

A few things

I posted a question at Someguy regarding Weekly Shonen Jump and thought you may be capable of answering it. And I just recently noticed the portal of Naruto — that caught my eye; it was extremely interesting and I think a portal may serve for the Dragon Ball-related pages too. Still, there are too many obsessed "fanboys" that want the merged DB pages back and Son Goku's name changed to Goku or Goku (Dragon Ball), Kuririn moved to Krillin, and others. Do I need someone's permission for starting that portal or can I just start it on my own? Lord Sesshomaru

I don't see why you'd need permission to create a portal, though I really know nothing about it; I simply keep it on my Watchlist in case someone discovers and decides to use it. I will say that I see no reason for Dragon Ball to have a Wikiproject and a Portal. As for the Bleach character introductions, I can't help you any more than I could with the Naruto characters. ~SnapperTo 19:26, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

We have a wikiproject already. Actually, its a taskforce now like Bleach. Earlier, I have mentioned at the wikiproject to create a separate wikiproject only for the Dragon Ball English dubs. It was opposed. How is a portal not useful? It's either that or another project, or separate articles entitled Goku, Krillin, Frieza, Bardock and the like — which shall use only the dub information. Respond here instead of my talk page, I'm about to invite someone else on this discussion to voice their words. Lord Sesshomaru

Portals are only helpful if people know they exists. IPs, which seem as though they'd be the only ones interested in the Portal you have in mind, are unlikely to find or use it. ~SnapperTo 19:38, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Does that not apply for the ips that go to Naruto-related articles? The pages that I've noticed that are vandalized the most are the ones related to Dragon Ball and Naruto. Why this is so, I don't know. Thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru

Which of the three would you find most effective:

1. A separate Dragon Ball WikiProject using just dub info
2. A portal for Dragon Ball
3. As said above, articles entitled Goku, Krillin, Frieza, Bardock and the like which of course will use the English dub info

... Lord Sesshomaru

As I said, I only pay attention to the Naruto Portal in case someone uses it (which they don't). That doesn't mean I see a need for it. As for your problem, you could try actually finding a compromise instead of coming up with an alternative that won't solve the problem at hand. ~SnapperTo 19:55, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

It's hard trying to compromise anything when people won't voice their complete thoughts. You feel that nothing is useful, way I see it. Let's see what others have to say. Lord Sesshomaru

I don't want my talk page to become the place of debate regarding the structure of Dragon Ball articles and policies. I don't have a problem using it if you want my opinion, though if it's going to become an extension of WP:DBZ I'd prefer you moved this discussion elsewhere. ~SnapperTo 20:13, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh, thought you didn't mind. Hang on, I'll fix it. Lord Sesshomaru

Done, see here. Lord Sesshomaru

I got one.

Why was the Shino, Ino, and Tenten pages deleted? I looked at the history and you where the ones that added them on the Long Lists. Did you delete them and if so when was this discussed because I haven't found it anywhere. EDIT: I see, you where the one. Alright now that thats out of the way, how about we have ourselves some negotiations? TheUltimate3-June 24 9:27AM

Dragon Ball portal

It has been done. Perhaps you could see what else may need to be arranged, maybe added? Those blue colors have to go, orange or yellow is way better. I'm assuming you know about Dragon Ball enough to assist, correct? Please comment here; I'll return and respond there tomorrow when I'm well rested with a clearer head. Lord Sesshomaru

Your user page or lack thereof

I noticed that you've had it deleted 5 times; just wondering if there's any reason why you don't have one. --BrokenSphere 19:30, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm on Editor Review

I'm on Editor Review!.Sam ov the blue sand 03:13, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Naruto game series talk pages

Should we just start ignoring or maybe even removing any more pointless rants by all the angry IPs on talk pages like the Clash of Ninja series one? We have enough as it is, and it seems that as one finally starts to settle down, another starts covering the same exact discussion as the previous one. // DecaimientoPoético 14:17, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Alright, I'll keep that in mind in the future. Thanks. // DecaimientoPoético 16:31, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Can't get this right

Hey Snapper, do you think you can correct the last character listed at this page? I'm unable to place "Hojo, Yukino" at the correct alphabetical order without messing the entire thing up. I'm asking your help here since I've seen your edits on these types of pages before. Thanks, Lord Sesshomaru

Orochimaru

That was tough to decide: he is a large snake, but not a monster? Can't help but think back to when Kabuto said something (during 4 tailed Naruto and Oro's fight) in the likes of: "Shall I say this is a battle between monsters?' What do you think? Lord Sesshomaru

Itachi Uchiha

I'm just wondering, but just why doesn't Itachi's article need both references and sources? User:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares

I'd disagree, the sources section should stay so ISBNs would be added for each databook, guidebook, etc., to check for verifiability. And what you're saying is incoherent for the few other Naruto character pages have the sources section plus actual refs. Lord Sesshomaru 20:43, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Adding it with the refs make it look VERY sloppy IMHO, many graphic novel volumes are repeated save for the different chapters and pages within. I'm going to re-add the section you removed (thinking about renaming it "Bibliography") for consistency with the other characters that have it along with the page references. Since you appear to have at least one of the databooks, can you put the ISBN beside it so I can confirm its the correct book? I trust that you own it, but I need to acquire the number for everyone in the community to conduct the research based on that ISBN. Questions, comments or concerns before I proceed? Lord Sesshomaru 21:05, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Bizarre, how did you know that Might Guy reference if you do not own a databook? In any case, that's not a bad idea regarding that article you appointed me to. I know ISBNs aren't required upon a rule, just its not a bad idea. I'll get back on this matter later when I return. Lord Sesshomaru 21:36, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to place back the sources section to Itachi Uchiha, along with any other referenced page. I'll look for the ISBNs online, may not be so easy to find but bear with me. Since I've stated my reason for doing this and yours is vague, please bring it up on the talk page or ask about it at WP:NARUTO. Once again, I'm aware that these identification numbers are not required upon any rule, but I'll need it to make sure whether it is the correct book. See Wikipedia:Verifiability#Sources_in_languages_other_than_English. Lord Sesshomaru 14:20, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Regarding this, I suggest you put that section back. I'm sure I gave good reason, more than one actually. The other pages with refs, like Naruto Uzumaki & Might Guy, have both a sources section and referenced section. Your reason for disagreeing is vague, why didn't you bring it up on the talk page or WP:NARUTO instead? Lord Sesshomaru 20:19, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Naruto: Clash of Ninja (series)

I meant place that a single ref on the "EX" part of the first row. If you're going to use individual refs for every character, citing the specific page is preferable. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 05:07, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

No problem

No problem about editing that page it's meant for that. I know what you mean about not being here all day but I have to watch my sister all day so i miss out on just about every party possible. Sad isn't it?Sam ov the blue sand, Editor Review 00:20, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I think one of these is overdue

		The Manga and Anime BarnSakura Award
		For the consistent and steadfast defense of the integrity of Naruto articles, I am pleased to confer this BarnSakura upon Snapper2. BrokenSphereMsg me 20:25, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Where are you going to put it? BrokenSphere^{Msg me} 20:25, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Oni Brothers

The "Demon Brothers".
Those guys with Zabuza. - Access Timeco 22:43, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Third Hokage

I plan to delete those unsourced statements off Third Hokage. About a week more before I get rid of them, they look false afterall. You said you had access to databook scanlations, did you ever see a reference regarding the Third being a damn dog & Kishimoto rejecting it? To me, it sounds bogus (I could not find any official verification online regarding). And how 'bout those Itachi developments? I hope they're available in the scans. Lord Sesshomaru 04:39, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

What's your take on the fair use image elimination

I have to say that I'm biased because I've uploaded a fair number myself to other articles which I've sunk time into improving, not to mention all the time it takes to look for and find good screenshots or manga scans. I do agree that reduction in use to some degree is warranted, but apparently not even the previous versions are good enough. That said, I would rather yank my own uploads from article space myself instead of having a 3rd party do it, it still sucks but doesn't feel as bad that way. BrokenSphere^{Msg me} 21:47, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Durin has a page that he/she is using to keep track of pages with 10 and over fair use images in use; a bunch of the stuff I'm worked on is there as well. Apparently the threshold is 4, as there's another list of pages with 5-10 images used. I raised the concept of a threshold (haven't heard back yet) which would help prioritize what regular contributors think should be kept. BrokenSphere^{Msg me} 22:11, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Image

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Please

Can you please talk some sense into two of the admins corrupting the Akatsuki members page? They won't ever listen to anyone below admin level like me, so you're the only one they would listen to. If not, what is apparently a scandal will have the members page deleted, not merged, but deleted, and that is VERY bad. Please do this, I don't want to see Wikipedia go down in flames with this one topic. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 20:44, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Akatsuki members

I noticed that this user 67.140.54.49 has been causing trouble on this Afd talk page and I thought you should know that he deleted every single comment made. See here for page difference. I immediately reverted his edit and gave him a warning about refactoring the other editors comments. If he deletes or edits comments which he didn't make, undo the edit and give him a warning. But if you're unsure about which warning to use or, for your own reasons, you don't what to get caught up in his edits, leave me a message on my talk page and I can take the appropriate action. AngelOfSadness talk 20:56, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Shukaku sand

Well, wait - its body is made out of sand, at least during that arc, right? So when it did the long-arms thing, wouldn't that count as manipulating sand? (I don't want to be facetious by just saying that it moving would be sand manipulation, but it does do the elongation stuff that depend on it being made out of sand - Kyuubi can't do that, for example (at least, not that we've seen)).KrytenKoro 03:56, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I remember the arm, and certainly the shell around Sakura. I'm not going to make an argument out of it, because being anal retentive isn't my thing, but isn't sand control a type of "wind jutsu" - so wouldn't being able to control wind indicate further control of sand?KrytenKoro 04:13, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

What I meant about sand is that, well, isn't every sand jutsu a "wind release"?KrytenKoro 04:25, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Ah...no, I was wrong. Most of them (except Wind Release: Infinite Sand Cloud Great Breakthrough) aren't any kind of release at all. Oh well. I guess I was just taking the Sunagakure/Kazekage connection a bit too close, and I guess I got the idea that Gaara could control the sand because of Shukaku. Do you know how he can control the sand then?KrytenKoro 04:29, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Naruto Uzumaki

Just in case you'd lost count... you're up to 3 reverts on this article, too. I'm hoping, now that the two worst offenders are blocked for 24 hours, the rest of you can come up with a consensus on the talk page. -FisherQueen (Talk) 22:06, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Tobi is Madara archive

Yeh I saved it can you make that template that the list of akatsuki member had? the link is here.Sam ov the blue sand, Editor Review 01:57, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

sorry misunderstood that I guess. Should we speedy them if they haven't been already?Sam ov the blue sand, Editor Review 20:52, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

True sorry wasn't thinking there I'm planning my weekend right now. Artist is at his conspiracy theories again, saying I called the admins over here to delete stuff, as if I can make them do what I want with a snap of my fingers. ^_^ Sam ov the blue sand, Editor Review 22:39, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

List of Akatsuki members

The List of Akatsuki members AfD you participated in has been brought to deletion review here. Please take a look if you're interested. — xDanielx ^T/_C 19:43, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

That article has a peer review, and that "Please rewrite this article to explain the fiction more clearly and provide non-fictional perspective". Also I wanted to point that although sasuke lacks hatred, Itachi Article lacks personality (Worst joke ever...). The discussion page is a hell od discussions and I give permission to delete discussions I started. It would be important that in some part of the portal its explaine why some characters dont have their own articles. See you. Tintor2 12:06, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Talk pages

While a talk page isn't a discussion forum, and it's generally not good practice to speculate on talk pages, users are still free to do so and there's no reasons to delete their comments. If the talk page gets too big, it can be archived, so that's not a problem. Only clear vandalism and nonsense should be removed from talk pages. -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 17:55, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I am aware of the WP:NOT policy and have in fact quoted it in my above post ("While a talk page isn't a discussion forum..."). However, this does not mean that it's alright to delete other peoples' comments on talk pages as long as they don't violate certain other policies. You can always tell the original poster that Wikipedia talk pages aren't a message board. -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 18:48, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Re:+Out of Universe

Ha ha ha ha ha! Good addition Snap! Good addition! One Source down! I would give you a star if I knew how!--TheUltimate3 18:45, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

It looks like Naruto is a prime target by other editors...

Well... it seems Naruto has become a prime target of mergings by those who aren't satisfied with Naruto and ignore any potential it has. Not to mention how the chances of us reforming Akatsuki (Naruto) in a week, less than that now, is none. But what should we do if there is no way to save the articles? A back-up plan must be decided upon and very quickly.

Well, mabye we should begin to move the characters back into the List of Naruto characters articles if that should happen. Akatsuki is a prime target by others, so we should bein to prepare a move of the character information to Naruto characters and the organization's info to Naruto geography, and turn it into one big Naruto world article. If any other articles become such targets, like List of Konoha ninja, the sub-page for the bigger teams, minor villians and allies, the tailed beasts and summons, and the country topics, we should move the characters to List of Naruto characters and the other info to the Naruto world topic. If the characters themselves become targets, then they should result in the same should merge be inevitable. Team 7, however, has too much info and has too much potential to be ridded that easily.

The characters article will also seem to get very big eventually if something like this happens. Well, mabye we should do what the Pokemon did and make several different pages for it, except by A-B-Cs instead of 1-2-3s.

This does seem rash, but it is the truth: eventually we won't be able to doge a merger anymore, and such a precaution will need to be taken. I'm only here to warn you and to give you my suggestion, however. You're free to make up you're own should you please. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 20:28, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

666 Satan

um... ok, wow...... i dont mean to sound like an ass but whats up with the complete rewrite of 666 Satans character page... i mean i understand the removal of some images that are not really needed, but i dont understand completely changing a format that has been working fine since day one... some of it just seems a bit excessive... just curious as to whats going on in your head so i can beter understand the edits, peace... Ancientanubis, talk Editor Review 03:30, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

i am not saying that the page doesnt have problems, i understand it does... but i think theres a better way to go about this instead of removing so much of the article as it appears to be when you look at the edit summary... i think that some of the o-part things were left over from when the origional page was there and its just never really been removed... i guess i think that there should be a different way to do this... i'm gona look into it tonight and see what i can come up with, for now tho i reverted it so its easier to see it... i'll give ya a link or something tonight... peace, Ancientanubis, talk Editor Review 03:45, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

i have no problem believing that your edit was made in good faith... but what i do not believe is that the decision you made with the article, was the best course, reguardless of what was kept and what was removed... as i said i am working on another variation of what you did and if you could wait i'll have another version of it on a sandbox of mine and you can see if you feel it serves the same purpose or not... would we be able to make some type of deal here??? Ancientanubis, talk Editor Review 04:06, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

i fail to see your reason to insult my abilities as an editor, on top of that my version will be doing actual justice to the article as i can tell that from your edit you do not know much about the series.... so im gonna try to fix up the page that i basically built from scratch to see if i can fix it up so it meets your standards, Ancientanubis, talk Editor Review 04:20, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

im not even going to argue this anymore, im going to make a different version of this and change it... and if you feel like reverting a page that you'll proboly never come back to unless asked, then be my guess... but let me just say its a fairly dick move....... Ancientanubis, talk Editor Review 04:56, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

so out of curiosity, what is with your apperant vendetta against 666 Satan as of late, i mean i've noticed you've made some major edits to a couple of articles on here with out going through the normal channels of discussing major edits in talk pages prior to making them, Ancientanubis, talk Editor Review 05:15, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Third-party reception of Akatsuki

I volunteered to dig up some more information on their reception in Japanese; unfortunately, all I could find was a bunch of personal opinions on blogs, which are not admissible as a wiki source. I think if there are any articles on their reception, it might be in something like the JP version of Newtype, which I do not have a subscription to... Konamaiki 02:17, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Nice revert

of the "Chicken Sharingan" lol--Blue-EyesGold Dragon 03:53, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Tobi

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/chapter364mq.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=43759 Feel free to read before that as well to get a better understanding of everything he's saying. Oni3298 23:57, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Johnny542

Hey I was wondering is Soi really a lesbian or just admires Yoruichi as a sister or something like that because in pictures all I ever see of her is her trying to make out with Yoriuchi which is hot as hell. Also in all the talk pages in youtube, they keep saying that she is a lesbian. She is probably and if she is, that would be sexy as hell. Johnny542 21:25, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Well. I supposed your right, but it still is possible that she actually does love Yoruichi. There are a couple of lesibians in Bleach like that girl in the glasses that likes Orihime. It says in her Wikipedia section that she actually took a picture of Yoruichi when she was naked and that when she was on a date with that guy, she got jealous. Either this is like you said a very deep admiration of her or that in fact that she is a lesibian. I have no problem with this since it is so sexy, hot and funny how the way lesibians try to go after other girls, I mean the hot lesibians. Johnny542 12:32, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Hey Snapper, its me Johnny. Can I ask you a question? Is it me or does Temari like Shikamura in a way. First of all she did save him from Tayuya in Naruto Episode 125 and he did say that she was scarier than his mom. Though I think they could make a good couple because they both are kind of similar and also they are seen togther in the second Naruto series and even though they say they are not on a date, they might actually be lying and might go out in later episodes. EIther that or they are just friends. What do you think? Also are there any new episodes of the second Naruto series? Johnny542 20:47, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah well, your right they must be denying it. Like Asuma and that women, they denyed it until in that one episode when we found out that the women was pregnent with his child. Its only a matter of time before they start to go out. Johnny542 12:32, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Hey Snapper, sorry I called you a retard, I just was pissed off that all my hard work trying to get new info on each ninja's techniques were suddenly deleated. You got to admit, this is good info and they did used these in some cases such as when Choji was fighting the fat guy from the SOund of Four, he used that Butterfly technique to kill him, dude that shit is not minor, it is a important ability and it is one of his techniques. Also when Kiba was fighting Ukan and Akan, he used that replacement jutsu to make his dog a bomb filled with knives. How is the other stuff minor too? It still doesn't make any sense why you keep deleating this stuff just because it is from anwsers.com, all this stuff I put is good info and they used it in some times more than others. Johnny542 12:46, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah that will work, try to make the info I put smaller at least next time. Johnny542 12:32, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Naruto geography

An article that you have been involved in editing, Naruto geography, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Naruto geography (2nd nomination).

Another editor started it 2 November and I just noticed that the contributors still needed to be notified. --A. B. ^(talk) 19:07, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Rather important discussion

Is here. Most of his changes are good, and should be implemented. Discussion is important to hammer out the details though. Your input would be highly appreciated. Thanks, Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 02:10, 17 November 2007 (UTC)