User talk:Renata3/archive7

Deletion of Michael Sieben

Seriously, dude. Do you really wander around Wikipedia all day just to find something some kid in Michigan wrote so you can delete it? Sieben is co-owner of an extremely successful skate company, his artwork is sold in some form in just about every skate and bike shop in the country, and he's been featured in many art and skate magazines, not to mention the magazines he writes and distributes himself. How is he not notable? Someone will want to know about him! I wrote the article because i did! Honestly, you think something is unknown because you don't know about it? You think you know everything that's worth knowing? People like you make this site a lot less fun than it could be. --kphaneuf December 2006

Deletion of Percy Norton

No offence, maybe you should check Notability article yourself. It clearly states 'Failing to satisfy the notability guidelines is not a criterion for speedy deletion.', so you should of consulted me before deletion or started an adf not just delete it without any note. He has won many awards and toured the entire Australian Countryside in his epic tour in 2004, also he is played on the radio here constantly, especially by ABC's Triple J. However I understand your concern, and will take it into consideration, if I decide to create the article again, but I will probably do this far into the future as time is of the esscence. By the way, please accept my apology and correct me, if the line I quoted dosn't apply to this article situation. --Smallcucumber 12:04, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

History of Lithuania 1219-1377

Dear Renate: have begun copyediting this. Hope to finish by tonight. I already have one question: the first paragraph states that "the empire reached ALMOST to the Black Sea", but the map definitely shows the Black Sea within the territory. Including Kiev.

Novickas 13:14, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Is there any chance of getting a map that shows territory in 1377? If not, the opening paragraph could be reworded.. something like "the groundwork was laid for an empire that would by 1400 reach to the Black Sea". Then the picture caption could be a little reworded and it would still be appropriate for the piece. I like the piece, by the way. Always had trouble with that part of the history and it's now making more sense.

Taking a break now; edited all but the last 3 paragraphs, cause they seemed not quite ready. After a break maybe more questions will occur, fresh eyes and all that. Hope you're not in a terrible hurry. Talk later - Novickas 17:33, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok, some more questions. What are long coins? Were they really not round? Re "attacked Courland, as the order had limited battlefield successes"...is that the Teutonic Knights? In general.. I think it would be better if the orders were always named. Novickas 20:08, 17 September 2006 (UTC) PS a timeline would be really nice - you know, a table of dates and their corresponding events.

more questions: Line that begins "In 1248, Mindaugas sent his nephews Tautvilas and Edivydas, the sons of Dausprungas and Vykintas," .. if Edivydas was Mindaugas' nephew, then Vykintas was Mindaugas' brother or brother-in-law?

Line that begins "in 1212, Daugirutis' treaty with Navahradak" needs some clarification as to who Daugirutis was - a duke of Samogitia?

Needs a little more explananation about "bribing Andreas von Stierland" - the text in the footnote "jei bus nužudytas Tautvila" could be translated something like "bribed..to arrange Tautvila's murder". Shocking allegation.

Line with "attacked Courland, as the order had limited battlefield successes" would that be "The Brethren of the Sword"? that is what the Courland link suggests.

Line with "expressed the wish to marry Daumantas' wife" - Daumantas has not been mentioned before; could we say "Duke Daumantas" or "the wife of Daumantas, the Duke of x".

the long coins picture is really cool, any chance it could be included? Novickas 12:47, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Aciu for the award. I promise that I intend to continue to expanding articles in the future and I wouldn’t be derailed from this patch very easily. Thanks again M.K. 09:17, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Cool down

Dear Renata. I sincerly hope your message on conflict resolution and deletion of your user page don't mean you are quiting this project. The informal mediation which I tried was just the begining of a proper WP:DR. I have seen tougher issues dealth with, and although I may not see 100% eye to eye with it, please, don't leave us. We need editors like you to stay and be the voice of sanity to the rest of us.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  04:24, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Huh?

September 12/18 are truly said days for Wikipedia. :-( Take a break, and recall the advice you once gave me: breathe and relax, and above all, remember your special training ;-) I hope you do come back. (Sorry for not noticing earlier.) Lupo 08:16, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Not another one... How many good editors are we going to lose this week? -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 08:30, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Just noticed that Renata's edits do not appear on my watchlist anymore:( That sounds like a big loss to all of Wikipedia. I hope you'll rethink your position after some time, although cannot say, that I didn't have similar thoughts about leaving more than once.--Lokyz 12:35, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm sad too. You welcomed me to Wikipedia! (And I just assumed then that you were an admin.) I understand the feeling of "enough is enough", though. Perhaps after a break you'll come back. I'll be thinking about you. --Fang Aili ^talk 15:24, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Petition

This is truly surprise to me that Renata is leaving. If this is due to personal life, well, we all facing setbacks and gains in our personal life and actually this is a beauty of life – it keeps as strong and prepares for future challenges. Actually this is human nature and destiny, sometimes we can not avoid or change our destiny, but we can meet it with dignity, with risen head and with the clear mind – yes it is hard, but I wouldn’t give up and will go, I will go on!!!!

If it’s due to wikipedia developments, everything is possible and could be solved any problem, sooner or later. If this is a case – take a short break, but don’t leave us! You simply can’t do this!

And remember, Renata, when you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on…

By signing below editors from all the Wikipedia asking you, Renata, to stay:

1. M.K. 09:14, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
2. User:Novickas 12:58, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Andrius 15:16, 20 September 2006 (UTC) (You musn't go!)
4. Please come back and stay! Juraune 05:25, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Anti-petition

For God's sake don't be so melodramatic - petitions, sighs, obituaries. C'mon. She's an adult, she knows what she's doing. And, boy, that Airing of Grievances by Renata was great. I could only dream, that some will follow her example one day and will let the grievances out in one go, instead of dragging their egotistic traumas for ages from one Talk-page to another. If she decides to quit this S/M scene, that's great. Go girl, there is more to life than Wiki. Run like a hell and never look back. But she will be back in one form, or another - as admin, or anonymous just browsing passerby, it does not matter. See ya Renata. Encyclopaedia Editing Dude 16:18, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

This is actually true. Renata's candidness in her farewell "speech" is rarely seen in this place. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 20:28, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Dear petitioners. Please save your pleas. Renata will be back. Sometimes Wikibreaks are needed. Let her have hers. She will come back rested and determined to save Lithuanian history from the foreign nationalist revisionism :). No irony here. Who else? Cheers all! --Irpen 06:05, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Loosing Renata for this project actually does matter, but I respect any decision, she choses to make. Renata, you have done a lot of good things here, do now, what serves you best. Best regards, --Gf1961 19:44, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Regardless if you decide to return or not, I want you to know that your contributions have been appreciated, Renata. I personally have found your .ogg recordings quite useful in learning the pronunciation of Lithuanian. Olessi 20:34, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Renata?

A few words from you would be so welcome. Just let us know you're OK. Novickas 22:39, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I can confirm she's doing fine. However, I got the impression she'd rather like not to be disturbed at the moment. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 14:32, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Novickas 15:00, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

September Esperanza Newsletter

Program Feature: Barnstar Brigade Here in Wikipedia there are hundreds of wikipedians whose work and efforts go unappreciated. One occasionally comes across editors who have thousands of good edits, but because they may not get around as much as others, their contributions and hard work often go unnoticed. As Esperanzians we can help to make people feel appreciated, be it by some kind words or the awarding of a Barnstar. This is where the Barnstar Brigade comes in. The object of this program is to seek out the people which deserve a Barnstar, and help them feel appreciated. With your help, we can recognize more dedicated editors! What's New? September elections are upon us! Anyone wishing to be a part of the Advisory Council may list themselves as a candidate from 18 September until 24 September, with the voting taking place from 25 September to 30 September. Those who wish to help with the election staff should also list themselves! Appreciation Week, a program currently in development, now has its own subpage! Share your good ideas on how to make it awesome there! The Esperanza front page has been redesigned! Many thanks to all who worked hard on it. Many thanks to MiszaBot, courtesy of Misza13, for delivering the newsletter.

The last AC meeting (full log) The proposals page has been updated, with some proposals being archived. Since the program in development Appretiaion week is getting lots of good ideas, it now has its own subpage. The September 2006 Council elections will open for nominations on 18 September 2006. The voting will run from 25 September 2006 until 30 September 2006. If you wish to be a candidate or a member of the elections staff, please list yourself! The new Esperanza front page design has but put up - many thanks to all who worked on it! TangoTango has written a script for a bot that will list new members of Esperanza, which will help those who welcome new Esperanzains greatly! Signed... Natalya, Banes, Celestianpower, EWS23, FireFox, Freakofnurture, and Titoxd 04:04, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Although having the newsletter appear on everyone's userpage is desired, this may not be ideal for everyone. If, in the future, you wish to receive a link to the newsletter, rather than the newsletter itself, you may add yourself to Wikipedia:Esperanza/Newsletter/Opt Out List.

New section

68.39.174.238 20:16, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

D 68.39.174.238 15

55, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

RE: Reward Board-- Lithuania

Hi Reneta. I saw your post on the RB and figured I'd take a whack at it. I just wanted to make sure everything you said on there is up to date, as I think that post has been up there for a while. Anyway, I am thinking about doing either Politics- , Foreign relations- , or Flag- of Lithuania. I havn't decided yet. Also, why is User:Creidieki's name also on the post? Thanks for the opportunity. → JARED ^(t)  13:18, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Cheers

Glad to see you back, Renata. Take as much time as you need. Cheers, Olessi 01:08, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

So am I. Take. --Gf1961 02:59, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Welcome back! -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 09:20, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

*smile* -- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  17:57, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Yay, you're back! Andrius 18:54, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Welcome back! What a great quote. Novickas 23:21, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Map data source for district maps

I was wondering if you could tell me the source of the data you used to create the district maps. I would appreciate it. Respond at my talk page. Peter O. (Talk) 07:00, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Saulius Mikoliūnas PoB

Hi Renata. The site was this [1], which has usually been very reliable for such information. I was concerned when Šviesa did not show up on the List of cities in lithuania page but assumed it may have been a village or hamlet.

If you know of no such place I will remove it. From the same site, you may also be able to tell me whether Klaipėdoje should be Klaipėda, if it is a seperate settlement, or even annother error. Thanks Caledonian Place 01:16, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

WP:FLC/List of DanceSport dances

I've added two paragraphs of prose to the list as requested; please let me know what you think. --Spangineer^es (háblame) 22:21, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of calypso-like genres

Hey, I think I've addressed your concerns as best I can. Various changes, citations, etc. Let me know if there's anything further you wish to comment on. Tuf-Kat 01:50, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Static?

I think that this is nor true. In the last century the 90% of the years have had changes. And in the past there was lots and lots of more changes. There is no other side in Wikipedia able to have a map for each year as has been requested. The political geography is changing each year. Excuse my English level. Sobirà 18:27, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I see absolutly impossible to put in a single page all the changes of all the hundreds and hundreds of German, Greek, Italian or Arabic sovereign states. Sobirà 18:31, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

If there are statics years, redirections exists. It's absolutly impossible to have an idea of what exactly exists in a year with only a list of what appear and disappear. Sobirà 18:41, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

List of sovereign states in 1990

Could you please complete the afd nom of List of sovereign states in 1990? No rationale for deletion was given so far. Tizio, Caio, Sempronio 16:55, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Wait, I found Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of sovereign states in xxxx so I fixed it. Tizio, Caio, Sempronio 16:57, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Sweden international footballers/archive1

Hi, I've answered your objection on the FLC above, and would like to get further input from you. :) – Elisson • T • C • 17:14, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Durniu laivas

Na siandien tai nervai neislaike :) Turgaus pasikoliojimai turi tokia ypatybe, kad ramiai pro juos praeiti gan sunku. Ziuresim, kuom cia pasibaigs. Encyclopaedia Editing Dude 16:40, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Del subkulturu. Gerai atstatyk, reiketu pabaigt. Encyclopaedia Editing Dude 11:45, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Just a chat

Labas - as you see, I haven't really let go! I was involved in editing Giedrus Subacius' book about The Jungle. The section about the Title Metaphor - needs some work, but I think it's worth keeping.

Hope you don't mind if I chat a little here. While thinking over the issues involved in being a Wikipedian, some incidents came to mind. At the scientific institution where I work we have, at times over the years, hired Eastern European, Central European, and Russian analysts - they brought diverse viewpoints; they had publications to their credit; their English was pretty good. Then, during meetings, they would disagree with their co-workers by saying: "No. This is not how it works. Not at all. We need to do it this way." Awkward silence.

Fast-forward ten years. Now the same people present their viewpoints at meetings in this way: "There are, embedded within this analysis, a number of assumptions about economic growth in x, y and z sectors; there are also assumptions regarding the useful life of hydroelectric powerplants; how difficult would it be to incorporate these assumptions into a series of variables?" Thoughtful expressions; nods; scribbling on notepads.

That's a big difference. It's evolution. Now we can have a discussion. Flora Lewis wrote a book ("Europe") in the 1980s about the European intellectual style - it was, and clearly still is, extremely confrontational. Opinions must be presented very strongly; to do otherwise would imply weakness.

Wikipedia is clearly another manifestation of this kind of evolution. And Wikipedia-addiction is the same addiction as a parent has to his or her child: faith in its future. Let's fast-forward ten years from now: you'll be one of those rare people, like Adamkus, who has both feet solidly planted on either side of the Atlantic. You have a bright future. Consult any gypsy you meet in Manhattan for verification and see if they don't agree!Novickas 18:24, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

So you are another casualty of the PL-LT wars, so many years later! One of the problems his talkwith it (here in the US) is that most Americans, when you try to explain it to them, scratch their heads trying to think of an analogous situation they can relate to. They're, like, "Polish, Lithuanian, what's the difference? What's the problem?" Of course we have our own serious divisions but they don't really map the same way. Hey, carry on anyway, it's a worthy cause, and a lot of Wikipedians think a lot of you. Novickas 15:06, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Geography stubs

Hi Renata, I'm working on the geography stubs. Where did the location maps in the city pages come from? It would be nice to have similar location maps for the other places. Novickas 11:57, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks - I left a message on User_talk:Knutux, but he doesn't seem to have been active since January, so no high hopes there...

Novickas 14:25, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!

		Special thanks
		for a timely e-mail long ago (I frequently remember the "special training" :-), for a very nice barnstar, and generally for being around. Thank you! Lupo 14:54, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Elonka

Thank you very much for your support in my RfA. Unfortunately consensus was not reached, and the nomination was not successful. However, I do appreciate your comments, am still in support of the Wikipedia project, and will continue to contribute without interruption. Thanks again! --Elonka 19:29, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Logos on userpage

Removed, and thanks for the tips on best link format. That will teach me to play with the controversial gallery tag! --Steve 03:59, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Copyright

Labas, gal galetum pakonsultuoti User:Nercury copyrighto klausimais. Reiketu ideti i Wiki koki nors Saukos paveiksla, bet bijau kad su autorinem teisem cia gana sudetinga butu. As manau, kad paprasciausia butu ideti knygos virseli, tam jau yra tag'as. Encyclopaedia Editing Dude 04:37, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello

Long time no see. Thanks for grammar correction, I am horrible with all those a and the... Glad you are still around and involved in some many different things. Renata 03:02, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Arg, excuse edit summary for previous edit. It was upposed to be hi File:Blush.png Renata 03:03, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Hehe. By the way, I like your emoticon (the blushing face). I've been collecting those (as you can see), and have added that one to my collection. Do you know of any more?  The Transhumanist   11:07, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Try commons:Category:Smilies :) Renata 11:10, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Cool. You've doubled the size of my collection! Thanks! Take a look...  The Transhumanist   00:32, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Hell

But what if section "Hell in fine arts" is created? It's valid illustration then. Or not?Encyclopaedia Editing Dude 19:28, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

You deleted my article

I worked my ass off to create an article on the Legislative Palace and you just deleted it [2]. Wesborland 22:28, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Why does article HWE require cleanup?

Why does my article require cleanup? Will it be deleted? I hope not as I spent hours working on it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gerbocs (talk • contribs)

Thanks

Thank you for information. I am sure it will be useful, as I am completely new here. Still, practice makes perfect, isn't it?

Thanks

It was me, sorry: --timmulis 15:48, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Question

Renata, what is going on when you are editing a page in Wikipedia, and cannot save or even preview it - an arrow with north and south points appears? Once or twice I've had "editing conflict" messages appear but not in this case...

Also, for your amusement, a bulletin from the University of Chicago - they are playing a game in the lounges every day that goes like this: someone shouts out one word, say "marshmallow", and someone shouts out another one, say "Milton Friedman" - then you must go from one site to the other in as short a time as possible using only Wikipedia links (people are sitting in there with their laptops) Glory is the only reward. When someone shouts they got there, people gather around and watch the sequence of links. Well, maybe you already knew about this, but I didn't. Cool huh? Sincerely, Novickas 21:57, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm just wondering why you deleted the "List of Famous Redheads."

Question - Žirmūnai - occasionally it says "Attention: this page is 38 kilobytes long" or something like that - is there a quick and easy way to determine character count in WIkipedia? Novickas 20:02, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Glad to hear that there isn't any hard-and-fast limit on article size. Hope your exams went well :) Novickas 20:46, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Assessment System

Hi - I just wanted to that you for producing the assessment page for the Lithuania wikiproject. I just had to copy some of the text for wikiproject beekeeping (my new one ;)). I expect the text will evolve over time, but just wanted to let you know - imitation is the sincerest form of flattery! Martinp23 00:13, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		For your hard work and dedication to improving Wikipedia, I, Sharkface217, hereby award you this Original Barnstar. Good job! Sharkface217 20:51, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

You've award quite a few barnstars in your time (almost as many as me, which is saying something ^_~), and you have gone quite a while without being formally recognized. Cheers. Sharkface217 20:51, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

RfC Halibutt

Probably you will be interested in this: Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Halibutt M.K. 23:32, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

November Esperanza Newsletter

Program Feature: Admin Coaching (needs coaches!) Admin Coaching needs coaches!!! If you are an administrator, or even a generally experienced user, do consider signing up to be a coach. Admin Coaching, now being coordinated by HighwayCello, is a program for people who want help learning some of the more subtle aspects of Wikipedia policy and culture. People are matched with experienced users who are willing to offer coaching. The program is designed for people who have figured out the basics of editing articles; they're not newcomers any more, but they might want some help in learning new roles. In this way, Esperanza would help keep hope alive for Wikipedia because we would always be grooming the next generation of admins. What's New? The Tutorial Drive is a new Esperanza program! In an effort to make complicated processes on Wikipedia easier for everyone, Esperanza working to create and compile a list of tutorials about processes here on Wikipedia. Consider writing one! A discussion on how Esperanza relates to the encyclopedia has been started; please add your thoughts. Many thanks to MiszaBot, courtesy of Misza13, for delivering the newsletter.

The last AC meeting (full log) The list of proposed programs has been updated, with some proposals being archived. There is now a new program: the Tutorial Drive! Consider writing a tutorial on something you are good at doing on Wikipedia. The suggestion of adding a cohesive look to all the Esperanza pages is being considered; join the discussion if you are interested! In order to make a useful interlanguage welcome template, those involved in translation projects will be asked what English Wikipedia policies are most important and confusing to editors coming from other language Wikipedias. A discussion of Esperanza's role in Wikipedia is being held, with all thoughts of all Esperanzians wanted! Shreshth91 informed everyone that he will be leaving the Esperanza council as life is rather busy; his spot will be filled by the runner up from the last election, HighwayCello. Signed... Natalya, Banes, Celestianpower, EWS23, FireFox, The Halo, Shreshth91 and HighwayCello 20:33, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Although having the newsletter appear on everyone's userpage is desired, this may not be ideal for everyone. If, in the future, you wish to receive a link to the newsletter, rather than the newsletter itself, you may add yourself to Wikipedia:Esperanza/Newsletter/Opt Out List.

my article on the Wireless Audio Gesture

why did you delete this article?

it took me a while to put that article up and you just ripped it down without even giving me a chance to copy the information down so that i could possibly put up an edited version.

why was it deleted?

my article: Wireless Audio Gesture

based off product by http://www.xpresense.com/

Dfritter4 03:13, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

New article

Renata, when you get a chance, could you look at National symbols of lithuania ? It's new and under construction - was hoping you could tell me if I'm missing anything of importance, and if you have any organizational notions? Novickas 02:42, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! Novickas 15:00, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Glad you like that rupintojelis - he watches over my aunt's grave (I never got to meet her) so it has special meaning for me. Don't worry, I will clean the article up soon - just wanted to bounce ideas around. I actually have some free time today :) Sorry to hear that you don't think much of Kukutis. When I was looking up national symbols there was a designation of folk heroes, also for tricksters so thought it would be good to put them in. The devil is usually the trickster (add ref to Devil Museum in Kaunas). Again, thanks for the input, and not to worry, the article doesn't link to anything yet. Will also ask Lokyz and MK for input. Have a good day Novickas 16:47, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again, I got busy with work, but really plan to have it done by the end of the weekend...Novickas 21:34, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

So..I fixed it up quite a bit. Only remaining problem is finding image of the 6-sided cross. Hope you like it. Novickas 15:03, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Clock's running

1 second? No, 120,000 seconds, and still counting. Gene Nygaard 03:47, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

That last entry in Category:Villages and municipalities in Púchov District still hasn't migrated up. 1 second, you said. Gene Nygaard 04:44, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Wow! 1.01 seconds! Mark me down as duly impressed, even if it was a little over 10,000 seconds after you logged on and found you had this talk page message waiting.

However, even though you fixed that one, there is still Lúky, created by the same editor, out of place in the same category. And about a zillion more by the same editor in other categories. There is, fortunately, some cause to believe that he will start fixing them, though I'll have to see some results before getting my hopes up.

Then, on top of everything else, somebody has to run around cleaning up after other careless editors who move pages [3] [4] [5] [6] without checking how they are sorted and adding the proper sort keys if necessary and add categories [7] without adding the proper sort keys. Sometimes it isn't a real big problem because, so far at least, it doesn't end up out of place in the category listing as it stands. But in other cases, it is quite material.

Anyway, according to my calculations, at 1.01 seconds a crack, you ought to be done cleaning up after yourself in about 8 min 52.27 s. Is that a good, ballpark figure at least? Let me know when to start the clock.

Since you are so quick, maybe you'd then have lots of time to help out the other people who have been hiding Lithuania-related items from view as well. Gene Nygaard 02:25, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Access to vilnius.lt

Hello, Renata - I know you're taking a Wikibreak, but when you have a chance, could you see if you can access the following link:

Vilnius City Municipality

I haven't been able to access it (or anything on vilnius.lt) for a month or so. M.K. suggested that I try it with an updated version of Internet Explorer, but I don't want to do that since IE gives me more trouble than I think it's worth. I use Netscape and Firefox and get the same error message on both: "The connection has timed out". M.K. and others don't have a problem. Just to get a reality check on the issue. Sincerely, Novickas 21:14, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

It takes about 10 seconds to load for me (on a broadband link), which is rather long for a 258kB GIF. But it shows up fine here. Lupo 14:45, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Cite tags

I hate to be a bother, but how does one use the citation tages to cite encyclopedias? I'm not entirely clear on this. I'm trying to work in your suggestions - some with more effect than others: I've not yet hit on a good way to remove the self-referentiality of the Women Opera Composers section without venturing dangerously into seeming POV, or understating their importance. Still, I fixed the minor problems (Explaining Peri wrote both Daphne and Euridice, moving the notes on construction to the reference section - does that seem a reasonable fix to you? - and so on.) If you can help me figure out the citation tags for the Encyclopædia articles- and I am sorry to be a bother - I'll and we others should be able to fix the rest. Adam Cuerden ^talk 08:45, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Featured list candidate

I've replied to your comment on Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Saskatchewan general elections. Tompw 15:35, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

List of fictional books

Hi Renata3 -- you were kind enough to take the time to respond to the Featured List nomination for List of fictional books. It failed to make the cut pretty resoundingly, so it's been subbed for a peer review. Any detailed comments or suggestions you'd care to offer would be welcome at it's peer review section, particularly a little more explanation of your comment about it needing more references. Thanks! --Bookgrrl 19:26, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations

Your campaign for censorship got a strong head start. I dont blame you, as it's the guy below who is adding fuel to the fire. Friends? :) Think twice when you give weight to what may be insinuations. Truthseeker 85.5 20:41, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

With this unappologetic response, I think a longer ban is in order. --Irpen 20:51, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Here's the one vying for head of the censorship department lately. Mind your own business a little more, Irpin. Truthseeker 85.5 21:02, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

My dear friend. As it has been ruled by the courts, Freedom of Speech does not extend to protection of ethnic slurs and hate speech whose propagation brought about your ban. Besides, nothing could stop you from using one of your socks. So, you were not really censored. Last but not least, you could take your grievances to your talk page which was not protected. I think Renata was too lenient. But be sure that unless you change your behavior, the next block will be permanent. --Irpen 21:07, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Insinuations and wishful thinking. The almighty King Solomon of Wikipedia, almost. I think people have been too lenient in scrutinizing your smear campaign, giving Irpin a sense of some king of megalomania. This is not Renata's fault, but a consequence of the lack of disciplinary action in your case (long overdue), an institution you so vehemently attack, counting on the ignorant unsuspicion of a few to abuse against other users. Soon, you wont be fooling anyone any longer, Irpin, so watch it (take my good-spirited advice). Truthseeker 85.5 21:17, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I second Irpen about a longer ban. -- Grafikm ^(AutoGRAF) 22:40, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Grafikm, please dont hurt your credibility by seconding insinuations and demands based on pure (ideological? ethnic?) hate. Or are you deliberately adding fuel to the fire and beating the drums? That's not what Wikipedia is about. Truthseeker 85.5 22:55, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

You were blocked for stalking, warn removal, revert warring and generally disruptive attitude. When back, your first edit was to insult an admin by making attacks about censorship. Maybe it's time you read WP:NOT and learn that WP is not a political tribune for you to use. -- Grafikm ^(AutoGRAF) 22:59, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

List of major opera composers

I'm afraid in this specific case, I wasn't able to get the citation tags to work. See here, where I had cited up the second batch of references: The co-author section had to be hacked as it didn't manage it in the case where there is only one co-author cleanly, and the books with only editors broke the template in ugly ways. I think the citation templates, sadly, need a bit more work, although I was able to use them without problems in W. S. Gilbert.

That aside, do you think your other problems have been dealt with? If the lead isn't long enough, do you have any suggestions to what it should include but doesn't? Adam Cuerden ^talk 00:35, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Right. I've used the tags as far as seemed possible. Do you think your objections have been dealt with? Adam Cuerden ^talk 10:57, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

List of Metal Gear Solid characters

Hey, I think all your bojections have been seen to at its FLC. Do you have any other issues?

†he Bread 09:20, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Image Copyright

Thank you for informing me of the image copyright issue...Unfortunately I, well, do not have any idea how to add any of that, as I'm entirely and completely unfamiliar with how to use Wikipedia in any advanced sense, I have found both where I got the image from, which is in fact a pornographic site that I chose for it's non-graphic yet real life depiction, and this - http://www.videosz.com/legal.php?pg=usc2257 Which I found at the bottom of said site, I'm not entirely sure what to do from here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Revrant (talk • contribs) 06:57, 8 December 2006 (UTC).

User:Aciani

Sorry about that . . . I asked another admin about that yesterday, and I thought he said yes you do, though I see I've misinterpreted his answer. Sorry again. -WarthogDemon 04:50, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Lithuania-related article bounty

Does Flag of Lithuania count? User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 02:14, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Since it is does, I am working on it now. The only question I have is this: what is the Pantone colors of the flag. I have the software to pick the Pantone colors, but I need to know what they are first before I make a new image of the flag. Plus, I have books from the former USSR, so I will probably redraw the Lithuanian SSR flag. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 03:34, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

By the grace of God, I found a Lithuanian flag made in the 1980's inside my closet. I compared the colors and I made the flag according to what I have. I am going to make other images too using Inkscape. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 01:09, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Also, I need help translating [8]. The State Flag is pretty new, so I figured we should try to introduce it to the world. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 01:45, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Whenever you, and others, feel like it, can you see if I missed any days at Flag_of_Lithuania#National_flag_days. I wrote down all of the ones specified in law, but I notice lt:Lietuvos vėliava has more days listed. Thanks again for letting me do this and I hope that this article is heading in the right direction. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 05:43, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, the article is at peer review now. Now, it is just sitting and waiting time. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 23:17, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Peer review is done, FAC has commenced. Now, the waiting game commences. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 07:01, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Šiauliai International Airport

Hi Renata, would you object, if I cleaned this and other Lithuanian airports from the misspellings and miltary slang (??) denominations ? Best regards. --Gf1961 11:59, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

There might be a hidden sense, I might fail to understand. Skyaulyay, Syaulyay, and Zokniai. While the first two are most certainly rubbish, the third might have local relevance. --131.152.61.96 14:48, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Cheers ;)

Nearly back, but need to finish my mock exams first (they finish on Tuesday) :D In fact, my Geography exam is in an hour, so I should revise some more And I was going to ask about sport in Vilnius but I see there is already a section for it in the sandbox. Also - maybe something about entertainment? Theatres and clubs and things like that? Andrius 12:52, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Cite web

Hi, Renata! Haven't spoken to you in a while; hope you are doing fine.

The reason I am contacting you is the fact that I am thinking about soon nominating one of the lists of mine for WP:FL. Having done some homework on what is generally asked of the candidate lists, I noticed you popping here and there periodically requesting people use {{cite web}} to format references. I have nothing against cite web (except that I've never used it before), so I would like to use it in my list as well. Problem is, just look at the references used. I am not sure how to fit two language data bits for each template field; plus, the OKATO reference uses a template (because without it I would have to manually change several dozen reference instances every time an amendment comes out). Your advice on how to best handle this situation would thus be very much appreciated. Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:56, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

I want to ask in this field too. Does {{cite web}} have something similar to ref name=, to avoid repetition of same webs? M.K. 11:55, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Renata! Thank you very much for your detailed analysis and write-up. I just have a few follow-up questions, if you don't mind.

1. Lead is way way too short. I was expecting this one to come up. The reason why it is too short is because when I submitted an earlier version for peer review, the lead was said to be... too long. So, I carved most of the former lead into a separate section (#Administrative division structure), which left the lead with only one introductory sentence. If you have any suggestions as to what you would like to see in the lead, I'm sure going to appreciate hearing them! It's not that I cannot come up with anything, it's just that whatever I come up with seems to duplicate information already more appropriately placed in other articles.
2. Ref tags are supposed to be placed after dots, commas, brackets, etc. Will fix, although I am not sure if this applies to the colon in "As of 2006:" segment of the navbox.
3. According to the manual of style the headings should not contain the wikilinks. As a matter of fact, the MOS imperative is not that rigid. The precise wording is "[a]s a general rule, do not put links in any section title" (emphasis mine), which, to me at least, suggests that in certain circumstances linking from section titles is allowed. The reason why I am hesitant to unlink the titles here is pretty much the same why I am having trouble coming up with a longer lead—whatever information I can put in section intros would simply duplicate that available in the actual district articles, and if you look at what is currently in the district stubs, you'll see that they contain very limited amount of information. Trust me, it's not because I am lazy to expand them, it's because it is very hard to find more, even in Russian. Adygea as a whole is covered very poorly in the world, and I am not aware of any single editor from that republic who'd be able to help (did you know that Wikipedia does not even have an edition in the Adyghe language?) Of course, if you have ideas for section intros, I'd be happy to hear them out, otherwise I don't see linked section titles as a problem.
4. "Administrative division structure" section could do with more background info, especially on differences in rural settlements. There are no differences in the status of rural settlements—they all belong to the same group and are called differently purely for historical reasons. I'll add a sentence to that effect, because I agree that it's not immediately clear. What is the other kind of background info you would expect to find in this list? To me it looks pretty complete, and there are links pointing to articles explaining each particular term, although I've been working on this list for so long that I may not see something that's obvious to a fresh reader such as yourself.
5. Cite web. Thanks for the tips and explanations; those were very helpful. I'll play around with this later this week and will let you know when there is anything new to review.

Again, thank you for your helpful comments! Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:00, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes I had particular situation in mind - when same web is used in several different locations do you always have to post the same syntax as described in cite web. Maybe there are some shorten syntax ? M.K. 23:16, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Renata! I have (hopefully) addressed most of your concerns about that list; could you, please, take a fresh look at it? I formatted all web references using cite web, except the one with OKATO, which I left untouched. The reason is that I can't really figure out how to fit this reference into the cite web format. Not only the wikilink is lost when cite web is used, but I am also unable to use the parameter from inside cite web, and, since OKATO is several hundred pages long, pointing readers to the right section is quite important.

My other concern is that cite web italicized Cyrillic text—something that's against style guidelines. I can't think of a way to fix that besides substituting the template and editing italics out manually, which would probably defeat the purpose of using cite web in the first place.

Finally, I have reviewed a few other featured lists similar to this one to get ideas for a longer lead. It seems, however, that they all contain information on the number of subdivisions, but in case of this list these numbers are available via the infobox, which, I think, summarizes the stats more efficiently than plain text would. Please let me know if this is sufficient for you.

Any other feedback or concerns you might still have will also be greatly appreciated. Happy New Year!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:01, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Unjustified move

Renata, can you restore Demetrius I Starszy article name? It was renamed to Demetrius I Starszij by RobotF with no justification. Orionus 11:44, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

XMAS gift

Did I say it comes with a warranty? :) Sure, I added it - for what it's worth :) Merry XMAS! -- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  01:24, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Greetings

Thanks — I knew it wasn't quite right. You don't expect a stupid American to understand inflections, do you?

So, Linksmų šv. Kalėdų to you, too! Sca 14:08, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Can you unblock mee ??

I've created User:Kyle_the_bot on en: and you've blocked him ?! Can you unblocked him please ? This is a bot account (and he is already on fr: fr:User:Kyle_the_bot and one of the best bot, see editcount). You can trust me (and my bot) i'm an sysop too (on fr: fr:User:Kyle_the_hacker), plz unblock 21:42, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello, I wanted to confirm that it was you who requested unblock on my English talk page. Could you reply here? Thanks. Renata3 28 décembre 2006 à 09:40 (CET)

It's me ;o) 90.13.112.197 08:43, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, unblocked. Good luck. Renata3 28 décembre 2006 à 09:51 (CET)

Thx 90.13.112.197 08:58, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

re Krishami speedy delete

I presume the criteria should have been patent nonsense and possibly unnoteworthy. This may have been my six or seventh speedydelete request - I am not by nature a deletionist - so I want to get it right when I do call for the axe. Thanks for your comments. LessHeard vanU 22:13, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Labas ir Aciu

Thank for your message on my talk page. Since a few month already I am contributing on the french wiki where (amongst other topics) I try to improve the pages related to Lithuania (user fr:Jmnil). My link to LT is my wife who comes from Kaunas (ok my daughter too but she is also 50% french). If you need any help or french stuff related to LT, or if you need pictures from LT don't hesitate. Linksmų Švenčių (I am leaving now to spend new year's eve in Kaunas) Jmnil 15:00, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Lithuania Minor

It seems, that wikipedia has become too small for your ambitions. It's a very weird etno region, I have to admin, but ... :-> Best regards, --Gf1961 15:26, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

ISBN Corrections

Hi Renata, I am one of many folks assisting in the resolution of ISBN cataloging errors. This has been an ongoing project for a long time now in preparation of the transition to 13 digit ISBN's. A special bot was developed with routines embedded that would ensure that the move to 13 digit ISBN's would be seamless. (Well, at least that was the plan). Sadly, the powers to be who run the ISBN process decided to renumber ALL books in existence. This have created a real mess, in my humble opinion. Be that what it may, our little bot has been going through the entire Wiki system measuring isbn's for various degrees of error ie; too long, too short, etc. Them folks like myself *attempt* to research the books in question and attempt to resolve the errors. Please use shortcut Cat:invalid and read the effort to date. We have over 2000 errors to look at. Please take heart, you are the first person who has questioned my efforts and flag notes that have identified isbn's that are in error. Rich Farmbrough, is the team leader and the gent who created the bot for this effort. I have a number of research locations to use to find correct ISBN's. In some cases, my tools fail me and I then leave a flag note for others who are involved in this effort to continue the search. In your case, I was unable to locate either the author or the book. If you have the book in question and the isbn that you used is so cited then we need to pass this information over to Rich. There may well be a perfectly good reason for why this happened. I had this happen with 6 books that were over 25 years in publish. Rich will better understand what has happened. I hope this clears this up somewhat.Ekotkie 18:20, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again

I didn't quite know where to put this, but I found the book at Libis [9], and then using the correct ISBN found it at the Library of Congress [10]. Hopefully, this will clear things up. Andrius 19:16, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Isn't teamwork great? Thanks a lot. It is even better when Wiki gets the interest of a young person.I tip my hat.Ekotkie 20:32, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for such a detailed response! I know about the ISBN mess. And it was my bad... I mistyped the ISBN. I just was in a hurry and did not notice the message left by the bot. so I decided to ask you what's wrong with the book because I have it right on my desk. But everything is corrected now. Your work is very much appreciated, and I hope you will continue. Renata 19:34, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

In the bulk of ISBN's that I have corrected, the typical error is a leading or trailing number has been dropped. Sometimes something has gotten transposed. It is a time consuming task but when people see correct information being presented to the public, then everyones work effort is worth it. Thanks for re-checking for that typo.Ekotkie 20:28, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Re:Voivodships

I don't know - try asking at WP:PWNB; my gut feeling is 'merge'.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  19:28, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

With Love (song)

Hi. I just thought you should know that I nominated With Love and With Love (song) for deletion because neither of them were referenced and the single release was not confirmed at that time, but quite recently it has been announced; that assertion was referenced in the article, so it may not have qualified as a "substantially identical copy". Anyway, after you deleted it the last time, somebody created another article on the same subject under the same title, and no disrespect to the creator but it's lacking the reference, infobox, categories etc. that the now-deleted version had. So I was wondering if you could undelete the edit history (either some or all of it) so that the cleaner version can be reverted to? Thanks. Extraordinary Machine 00:01, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Untagged image

An image you uploaded, Image:Somaliland COA.gif, was tagged with the {{coatofarms}} copyright tag. This tag was deleted because it does not actually specify the copyright status of the image. The image may need a more accurate copyright tag, or it may need to be deleted. If the image portrays a seal or emblem, it should be tagged as {{seal}}. If you have any questions, ask them at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. -- 13:37, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Labas

Did you get the pic I emailed to you 12/29? Care to guess the location? Sca 15:23, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Krajowcy

Hi, when you have a minute, maybe you'd take a look at the question left by Beaumont at Talk:Krajowcy ? I don't know what to answer. Happy New Year to you ! --Lysy^talk 15:35, 30 December 2006 (UTC)