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Administrators' newsletter – December 2019
News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2019).
Administrator changes
EvergreenFir • ToBeFree
Akhilleus • Athaenara • John Vandenberg • Melchoir • MichaelQSchmidt • NeilN • Youngamerican • 😂
CheckUser changes
Interface administrator changes
Guideline and policy news
- An RfC on the administrator resysop criteria was closed. 18 proposals have been summarised with a variety of supported and opposed statements. The inactivity grace period within which a new request for adminship is not required has been reduced from three years to two. Additionally, Bureaucrats are permitted to use their discretion when returning administrator rights.
- Following a proposal, the edit filter mailing list has been opened up to users with the Edit Filter Helper right.
Technical news
- Wikimedia projects can set a default block length for users via MediaWiki:ipb-default-expiry. A new page, MediaWiki:ipb-default-expiry-ip, allows the setting of a different default block length for IP editors. Neither is currently used. (T219126)
Arbitration
- Voting in the 2019 Arbitration Committee Elections is open to eligible editors until Monday 23:59, 2 December 2018 UTC. Please review the candidates and, if you wish to do so, submit your choices on the voting page.
Miscellaneous
- The global consultation on partial and temporary office actions that ended in October received a closing statement from staff concluding, among other things, that the WMF
will no longer use partial or temporary Office Action bans... until and unless community consensus that they are of value or Board directive
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- The global consultation on partial and temporary office actions that ended in October received a closing statement from staff concluding, among other things, that the WMF
"Rocha, disambiguation" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Rocha, disambiguation. Since you had some involvement with the Rocha, disambiguation redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. DannyS712 (talk) 01:19, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
A Rumtopf for you!
Best wishes for 2020. Narky Blert (talk) 12:01, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
- Yummy! Thanks, and same to you! --R'n'B (call me Russ) 12:23, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – January 2020
News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2019).
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Guideline and policy news
- A request for comment asks whether partial blocks should be enabled on the English Wikipedia. If enabled, this functionality would allow administrators to block users from editing specific pages or namespaces, rather than the entire site.
- A proposal asks whether admins who don't use their tools for a significant period of time (e.g. five years) should have the toolset procedurally removed.
- Following a successful RfC, a whitelist is now available for users whose redirects will be autopatrolled by a bot, removing them from the new pages patrol queue. Admins can add such users to Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Redirect whitelist after a discussion following the guidelines at Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Redirect whitelist.
Arbitration
- The fourth case on Palestine-Israel articles was closed. The case consolidated all previous remedies under one heading, which should make them easier to understand, apply, and enforce. In particular, the distinction between "primary articles" and "related content" has been clarified, with the former being
the entire set of articles whose topic relates to the Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly interpreted
rather thanreasonably construed
. - Following the 2019 Arbitration Committee elections, the following editors have been appointed to the Arbitration Committee: Beeblebrox, Bradv, Casliber, David Fuchs, DGG, KrakatoaKatie, Maxim, Newyorkbrad, SoWhy, Worm That Turned, Xeno.
- The fourth case on Palestine-Israel articles was closed. The case consolidated all previous remedies under one heading, which should make them easier to understand, apply, and enforce. In particular, the distinction between "primary articles" and "related content" has been clarified, with the former being
Miscellaneous
- This issue marks three full years of the Admin newsletter. Thanks for reading!
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- You can no longer read Wikimedia wikis if your browser use very old TLS. This is because it is a security problem for everyone. It can lead to downgrade attacks. Since 9 December you just see a warning. Soon the browser will not connect to the wikis at all. Most are users on Android systems older than 4.4. You can read the browser recommendations. [1]
- Special:LinkSearch has been moved from the "Redirecting special pages" section on Special:SpecialPages to the "Lists of pages" section. [2]
Changes later this week
Wikis can protect pages so that only some users can edit them. The standard protection levels are Require autoconfirmed or confirmed access and Require administrator access. If your wiki use more protection levels the technical name might be renamed for standardisation. This doesn't affect what users see. [3]
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 14 January. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 15 January. It will be on all wikis from 16 January (calendar).
Future changes
- Deepcat and Catgraph will stop working. This will happen at the end of January. This is because you can now use the normal search function instead. [4]
- You can use
<ref follow="…">to merge footnotes that follow each other. It is meant to be used for digitised books on Wikisource. If the order of the footnotes is wrong no error was shown but the bad <ref> was shown outside the <references /> list. This will change and you will see an error message instead. [5]
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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:40, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
Mariä Himmelfahrt Bleialf ./. Düsseldorf-Flingern
Du hast im vergangenen Jahr zahlreiche Bilder von der Kategorie "Mariä Himmelfahrt Bleialf" nach "Mariä Himmelfahrt Düsseldorf-Flingern" verschoben. Einen Teil habe ich schon rückgängig gemacht. Es wäre gut, wenn Du auch noch die restlichen Verschiebungen rückgängig machen könntest.
Es sind noch 20 Bilder, die fälschlicherweise umkategorisiert sind.
93.133.124.85 09:53, 15 January 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.133.124.85 (talk)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 21 January. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 22 January. It will be on all wikis from 23 January (calendar).
Future changes
- There is a new suggestion for what to show when someone edits without registering an account. This is to give unregistered editors better privacy and make some anti-vandalism work go faster. You can give feedback.
- Pywikibot is a Python library to automate work on wikis. It will no longer support Python 2. Use the
python2tag if you need to continue running Python 2 scripts. The Pywikibot team strongly recommends to migrate to Python 3. You can get help to do so. [6] - The weekly MediaWiki branch cut will soon become automated. The timing for this cut may change. You can discuss in Phabricator if this affects you. [7]
- You can read about coming technical events and mentoring interns.
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19:42, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Problems
- Some mobile diffs have problems. A couple of buttons are not shown. Structured data diffs on Commons are confusing. The developers are working on fixing it. [8][9]
- Administrators on wikis that use Structured Discussions can't move discussion pages. This is a bug. The developers are working on fixing it. [10]
Changes later this week
- There is no new MediaWiki version this week.
Future changes
- There is JavaScript code on Special:Undelete for administrators that makes it possible to automatically select multiple checkboxes by holding the "Shift" key and clicking. This code is also loaded by accident on other special pages and on articles. This makes pages slower to load. This will be fixed. If you know of other special pages where this is useful please tell the developers at phab:T232688.
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18:53, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – February 2020
News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2020).
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Guideline and policy news
- Following a request for comment, partial blocks are now enabled on the English Wikipedia. This functionality allows administrators to block users from editing specific pages or namespaces rather than the entire site. A draft policy is being workshopped at Wikipedia:Partial blocks.
- The request for comment seeking the community's sentiment for a binding desysop procedure closed with
wide-spread support for an alternative desysoping procedure based on community input
. No proposed process received consensus.
Technical news
- Twinkle now supports partial blocking. There is a small checkbox that toggles the "partial" status for both blocks and templating. There is currently one template: {{uw-pblock}}.
- When trying to move a page, if the target title already exists then a warning message is shown. The warning message will now include a link to the target title. [11]
Arbitration
- Following a recent arbitration case, the Arbitration Committee reminded administrators
that checkuser and oversight blocks must not be reversed or modified without prior consultation with the checkuser or oversighter who placed the block, the respective functionary team, or the Arbitration Committee.
- Following a recent arbitration case, the Arbitration Committee reminded administrators
Miscellaneous
- Voting in the 2020 Steward elections will begin on 08 February 2020, 14:00 (UTC) and end on 28 February 2020, 13:59 (UTC). The confirmation process of current stewards is being held in parallel. You can automatically check your eligibility to vote.
- The English Wikipedia has reached six million articles. Thank you everyone for your contributions!
Hello, I've uploaded this article. But the article does not appear in Internet, that everybody can read it. When it will be possible? Thanks for answer OQay OQay (talk) 22:55, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 4 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 5 February. It will be on all wikis from 6 February (calendar).
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20:05, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- There is a new version of the Wikimedia Commons app for Android. It should fix the failed uploads problem. [12]
Problems
- There was a problem with the new MediaWiki version last week. It deleted some messages by accident. The new version was late because it was stopped to fix things. [13]
Changes later this week
- The MediaWiki action API is used by various tools like bots and gadgets. Some error codes will change. Some parameter values that do not follow the standard will no longer work. [14]
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 11 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 12 February. It will be on all wikis from 13 February (calendar).
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19:12, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
Malplaced disambiguation pages
Wikipedia:WikiProject Disambiguation/Malplaced disambiguation pages hasn't been updated by your bot in nearly a month. Can you look into this? Thanks, wbm1058 (talk) 18:55, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, yes I can. It's working again. Thanks for the heads-up! --R'n'B (call me Russ) 01:49, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
RussBot and Rcats
Hi, just flagging this up: it would be nice if the bot checks for {{Redirect category shell}} and adds the redirect category inside, rather than outside that template. – Uanfala (talk) 23:17, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
- Uanfala, thanks for the suggestion. I think I can make that happen! --R'n'B (call me Russ) 12:06, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- Pages on Wikidata and Commons now load faster. You can read more about page load performance. [15][16]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 18 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 19 February. It will be on all wikis from 20 February (calendar).
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16:17, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 25 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 26 February. It will be on all wikis from 27 February (calendar).
Future changes
- There will be a reply button after each post on a talk page if you want one. This will soon be a beta feature on the Arabic, French, Dutch and Hungarian Wikipedias. You will have to turn it on if you want to use it. It will come to more wikis later. You can test the reply button. It was briefly shown earlier than planned by mistake on the four first wikis last week.
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21:00, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – March 2020
News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2020).
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Guideline and policy news
- Following an RfC, the blocking policy was changed to state that sysops
must not
undo or alter CheckUser or Oversight blocks, rather thanshould not
. - A request for comment confirmed that sandboxes of established but inactive editors may not be blanked due solely to inactivity.
- Following an RfC, the blocking policy was changed to state that sysops
Technical news
- Following a discussion, Twinkle's default CSD behavior will soon change, most likely this week. After the change, Twinkle will default to "tagging mode" if there is no CSD tag present, and default to "deletion mode" if there is a CSD tag present. You will be able to always default to "deletion mode" (the current behavior) using your Twinkle preferences.
Miscellaneous
- Following the 2020 Steward Elections, the following editors have been appointed as stewards: BRPever, Krd, Martin Urbanec, MusikAnimal, Sakretsu, Sotiale, and Tks4Fish. There are a total of seven editors that have been appointed as stewards, the most since 2014.
- The 2020 appointees for the Ombudsman commission are Ajraddatz and Uzoma Ozurumba; they will serve for one year.
Eiji Takemoto
I saw that you added a {{dn}} tag to Eiji Takemoto. It would have been better to have reverted this diff; repairing by hand is fiddly. That edit was by an IP-hopping troll who has appeared twice at WP:ANI and had their active accounts blocked. The thing to look out for is bizarre links, even down to individual letters of words, in a section called "Tokusatsu". Narky Blert (talk) 11:26, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
- It's not always simple to tell if a dab link is the result of vandalism. It's certainly fine with me if you undo my edit in the process of rolling back a vandal --R'n'B (call me Russ) 11:31, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
- I wouldn't have hesitated (and I never mind when that happens to me) - but unfortunately there were a couple of good non-trivial edits after yours. Narky Blert (talk) 15:25, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Problems
- Readers who were not logged in briefly saw the interface in a language decided by their browser. It should normally be in the language of the wiki. This happened for a short period of time last week. This was because of a bug. [17]
Changes later this week
- If you forget your password you can ask for a new one to be sent to your email address. You need to know your email address or your username. You will now be able to choose that you need to enter both your email address and your username. This will be a preference. This is to get fewer password reset emails someone else asked for. [18]
- When you asked for a new password you could see if the username didn't exist on Special:PasswordReset. Now the page will show the username you entered and tell you an email has been sent if the username exists. This is for better security. [19]
- On Special:WhatLinksHere you can see what other pages link to a page. You can see if the link is from a redirect. You can now see which section the redirect links to. [20]
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 3 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 4 March. It will be on all wikis from 5 March (calendar).
Future changes
- The developers are working on a new interface to solve edit conflicts on talk pages. You can give feedback. [21]
- There is a vote on the creation of a new user group called abuse filter manager. The vote runs from March 1 to March 31 on Meta.
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wgMFSpecialCaseMainPagewas used for the mobile site. It was deprecated in 2017. It will stop working in April. Wikis should see if they use it. If they do they should fix it. You can read more and ask for help. This affects 183 wikis. There is a list. [22]
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00:36, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- There is a new search word called
articletopic. You can use it to search for articles on a specific topic. It is available on the Arabic, Czech, English and Vietnamese Wikipedias. It will come to more Wikipedias soon. [23][24][25]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 10 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 11 March. It will be on all wikis from 12 March (calendar).
Future changes
- There is a plan for new requirements for user signatures. You can give feedback.
- The Wikipedia Android app will do push notifications if users want them. This could help you see for example when someone wrote on your talk page or your edit was reverted. This will come later this year. [26]
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17:15, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- There is a new API module for changing the content model of existing pages. Use
action=changecontentmodelto specify the new model. You can read the documentation on mediawiki.org. [27]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 17 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 18 March. It will be on all wikis from 19 March (calendar).
Future changes
- If you edit a page at the same time as someone else you can get an edit conflict. There is a new two-column interface to make it easier to solve this. It will soon be active by default on the German, Arabic, and Farsi Wikipedias. It will be on by default on more wikis within the next months. You will be able to opt out of the new interface. [28][29]
- You can see a proposed design for replying to comments in an easier way.
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21:15, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
Oops
Sorry for accidentally sending you notifications of speedy delete nominations originally created by your bot. I try to remember to untick the notify creator box on Twinkle but occasionally I forget. Best wishes, Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:18, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Problems
- Some development will be slower than planned. This is because of the current pandemic. You can see the new deployment guidelines. This is to avoid risks when some persons could be unavailable.
- There was a problem when adding interwiki links. The tool you use to add interwiki links could suggest the wrong project to link to. This has now been fixed. [30][31]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 24 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 25 March. It will be on all wikis from 26 March (calendar).
Future changes
- There is a project to make editing easier for newcomers. The developers are trying to understand what initiatives different Wikipedias have to welcome newcomers. They also want to know which templates are often used for maintenance activities. You can help this project by checking if your wiki's pages are listed on Wikidata.
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17:08, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
I respectfully disagree with your evaluation of whether User:Getsnoopy's edits are in good faith
Unless the user is 10 years old and hasn't figured out how to use Google properly, it takes only two or three minutes on Google to figure out how to punctuate legal citations properly in American English. I respectfully disagree. --Coolcaesar (talk) 15:45, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Coolcaesar: As you state you are a lawyer, I am sure you are familiar with the concept that there are points on which people can assert differing views without doing so in bad faith. And perhaps you are even aware of the existence of the Maroonbook. Citation forms are not absolutes. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 15:50, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
- Your first point is true but of minimal relevance here because we are talking about an issue on which there has been a strong consensus among American lawyers and law professors for decades. The Maroonbook is an outlier that has found few converts outside of the University of Chicago. 47 states and virtually all federal courts use either the Bluebook or the ALWD Guide to Legal Citation (which is very similar). Only Michigan, New York, and Oregon state courts think it's a good idea to drop periods from abbreviations. --Coolcaesar (talk) 16:09, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Coolcaesar: Ignoring your gross contempt and recalcitrance, it seems like you don't fundamentally understand how WP works, what the difference between a dialect and citation style is, nor what vandalism is. It doesn't matter whether an article is written in American English about an topic on US law, or whether lawyers have been doing something a certain way for x number of years. WP has its own style guide, namely WP:MOS. There are myriad ways MOS differs from "strong consensus" in the real world. E.g., everyone seems to be using "Mbps" as an abbreviation for "megabits per second", but WP chooses to use "Mbit/s" which is the official symbol for the unit; similarly, sentence case for titles and headlines while most sources would use title case. There are myriad other examples like this. Secondly, none of this has to do with whether an author is writing in American English, British English, Australian English, or any other dialect. One can (and many do) write following the style of MOS in any variety of English. Thirdly, vandalism is when someone deliberately and maliciously changes something to obviously cause damage, quite different from when an active editor is following the long-established style guide on a forum to correct errors. Getsnoopy (talk) 23:47, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
- I've been editing WP significantly longer and more extensively than you. Somehow you failed to develop any understanding of the longstanding consensus, going back to around 2006 or 2007, that geographically focused articles track the dialect in the geographic region on which they're focused, while it's anything goes for articles that lack geographic focus or are linked to regions where no one English dialect is dominant. For example, American lawyers consider it insane that English lawyers use square brackets rather than parentheses to mark years, because square brackets are normally used to mark deviations in quotations from the original text (either paraphrasing or changes of number or tense). We also think it was a bad idea for England to drop the period after the "v." in case names, because as anyone with introductory computer science training can tell you, that makes case names much more difficult to parse and read (especially when party names include many "v" letters). But in the spirit of civility and respect for the few English solicitors who bother to take the time to edit Wikipedia, I do not go around engaging in uncivil conduct and picking fights with them by doing crazy things like trying to revise "Hadley v Baxendale [1854]" in articles on English contract law to "Hadley v. Baxendale (1854)." That's essentially what you're doing here.
- There are dozens of freely accessible Web pages from American law schools explaining how to cite the United States Code properly as U.S.C. The fact that you haven't taken the time to read one (it only takes ten minutes, go check them out) supports an obvious and reasonable inference --- or as we call that in my field, circumstantial evidence.
- Also, don't make me laugh---you're not correcting errors, you're inserting them. The fact you can't see that speaks for itself. (And to be clear, I am saying you are in an unknown unknowns situation. Go learn how to use the Johari window.) --Coolcaesar (talk) 09:27, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
@Coolcaesar: You, yet again, seem to miss the point of the discussion. It doesn't matter what American lawyers think or do; it matters what the style guide for WP is. This feature is not something that's peculiar to the American English dialect, but to a profession that happens to be carried out in the US (hence MOS:TIES is irrelevant). There are myriad examples of American English being used where there are no dots used to write initialisms/acronyms. And regardless of all of that, it's what the consensus says expressly regarding US-related initialisms/acronyms that are 3 letters or more. You seem to have a problem with the consensus, so you should take it up on that page.
Regardless of its irrelevance, the reason it would be incorrect to go around editing articles name "Hadley v Baxendale" is because it's the title of a case, which consensus says to preserve all its spelling and peculiarities. Your arrogant and dismissive tone is also something that's not welcome on WP, so the fact that you've supposedly been "editing WP significantly longer and more extensively" than me really makes me question whether that accolade is meaningful at all. Getsnoopy (talk) 19:14, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
- Your dismissal of MOS:TIES as irrelevant is entirely unconvincing. An article entitled "United States Code" is about as strong as one can get in terms of a "tie" to a particular nation. The tie is right there in the title.
- Go look up a film called Whiplash on YouTube. Specifically, the scene with the line, "Not, not quite my tempo." That's a film about jazz drumming at a music conservatory, but it resonates powerfully with all American intellectuals because it accurately depicts the level of perfectionism demanded by elite American universities. (Which is why J.K. Simmons won an Oscar for that performance.) One form of that perfectionism is being rigorously drilled in how to punctuate properly. Unfortunately, other English dialects lost sight of that because their educational systems aren't as brutal in terms of sending students home every single day with red marks all over their papers.
- I suggest you familiarize yourself with the relevant MoS guidelines. Start with Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Legal, specifically the following: "Cite to legal materials (constitutions, statutes, legislative history, administrative regulations, and cases) according to the generally accepted citation style for the relevant jurisdictions." That text has been there since this edit on 16 February 2011.
- Another relevant guideline is Wikipedia:Citing sources, especially the section on Citation Style and ArbCom's position on the issue.
- Finally, "arrogant and dismissive?" Really? It looks like you have some degree of self-awareness of your tone at a subliminal level. I'm sorry if my bluntly honest assessment hurt your feelings. --Coolcaesar (talk) 00:13, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
Nobody is denying that that article has strong ties to the US. The point is that that strong tie establishes grounds for that article to be written in American English. This, however, doesn't have anything to do with formatting according to a specific professional style. Which brings me to my next point.
Ah, so bringing up MOS:LEGAL is relevant; I didn't know that we had a specific WP style guide for legal articles. However, if you look at my edits on that article, all edits (except one) change prose, not citation styles, which is what MOS:LEGAL seems to be specifically dealing with. That means MOS:US still applies. So I guess I can remove that one edit and redo all of the other ones.
I wasn't being arrogant nor dismissive at all. I was merely responding to your gratuitous comments about you being superior because you had a longer pedigree, that I am "10 years old", that I don't know how to "use Google properly", etc. I hope you didn't expect to be treated pleasantly after that demeanour. And no ha, you didn't hurt my feelings; we barely know each other; there's a difference between blunt honesty and gratuitous commentary. Seeing from your talk page, it seems like this isn't the only case where you seem to have had conduct issues; I wish you well on dealing with that. Getsnoopy (talk) 06:50, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Coolcaesar: Ignoring your gross contempt and recalcitrance, it seems like you don't fundamentally understand how WP works, what the difference between a dialect and citation style is, nor what vandalism is. It doesn't matter whether an article is written in American English about an topic on US law, or whether lawyers have been doing something a certain way for x number of years. WP has its own style guide, namely WP:MOS. There are myriad ways MOS differs from "strong consensus" in the real world. E.g., everyone seems to be using "Mbps" as an abbreviation for "megabits per second", but WP chooses to use "Mbit/s" which is the official symbol for the unit; similarly, sentence case for titles and headlines while most sources would use title case. There are myriad other examples like this. Secondly, none of this has to do with whether an author is writing in American English, British English, Australian English, or any other dialect. One can (and many do) write following the style of MOS in any variety of English. Thirdly, vandalism is when someone deliberately and maliciously changes something to obviously cause damage, quite different from when an active editor is following the long-established style guide on a forum to correct errors. Getsnoopy (talk) 23:47, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
- Your first point is true but of minimal relevance here because we are talking about an issue on which there has been a strong consensus among American lawyers and law professors for decades. The Maroonbook is an outlier that has found few converts outside of the University of Chicago. 47 states and virtually all federal courts use either the Bluebook or the ALWD Guide to Legal Citation (which is very similar). Only Michigan, New York, and Oregon state courts think it's a good idea to drop periods from abbreviations. --Coolcaesar (talk) 16:09, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
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17:26, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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The Tireless Contributor Barnstar |
| I hereby award you the title of Hero of the Order of Disambiguation. BD2412 T 19:18, 31 March 2020 (UTC) |
- I hope you're holding up well in these strange times! BD2412 T 19:19, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks! 😃 We're managing. Hope you're doing well, too! --R'n'B (call me Russ) 19:51, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
- Oh, I'm happy as a clam to sit at home and edit for days at a stretch. BD2412 T 20:02, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks! 😃 We're managing. Hope you're doing well, too! --R'n'B (call me Russ) 19:51, 31 March 2020 (UTC)