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How many links is enough?

I notice that you added an "underlinked" tag to the article on Consumer Behaviour. Would you kindly inform me how many links you believe to be sufficient before I remove this tag?

The article already contains 90 links, comprising:

• (a) Lead section: 8 links
• (b) Origins of Consumer behaviour = 3 links
• (c) The Purchase decision = 3 links
• (d) The Decision Process = 5 links
• (e) Influences on Purchase behaviour = 13 links
• (f) Other topics in consumer behaviour = 14 links
• (g) Research methods in CB = 7 links
• (h) See also = 13 links
• (i) References = 7 links (to author names)
• (j) See also = 13 links
• (i) Categories = 3 links
• (j) Portals = 3 links (to the psychology portal, the marketing portal and the consumer research portal)

In addition, a total of 1, 141 articles currently link to Consumer behaviour. Just wondering how much more integration to the rest of the Wikipedia Encyclopedia is required? BronHiggs (talk) 22:35, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Also note that I have removed the links you added to Elizabeth Parsons - which links to a N.Z. singer rather than an American academic and author and also removed the link to Pauline Maclaran which generated a red link. Red linking minor academics is a highly questionable use of the red link function. Pauline Maclaran's lack of notability means that she is unlikely to have an article dedicated to her in the forseeable future and red links should be reserved for topics where an article is warranted or where an article is currently in the planning stages and will hit the mainspace in the short term. BronHiggs (talk)

You're right, BronHiggs. Sorry for linking to something unrelated to what the article mentioned. I've just removed that link and the other link in the same reference. I should have checked what the article I was linking to was about rather than just link to it. You can probably remove the underlinked tag from that article. Now, I noticed you undid an edit I'd made to Greg brown (painter). I'd removed a paragraph because it seemed to have been cape copy-pasted from another website. The edit that added that paragraph literally said "Added obituary for Greg Brown", so it seems the paragraph was copied from there to here rather than the other way around. – Pretended leer (talk) 08:06, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

I probably should have made a better edit summary when removing that paragraph, though – Pretended leer (talk) 08:12, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

I edited whitespace above to follow WP:INDENTGAP. – Pretended leer {talk} 18:38, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	yay thanks for the help here ya go! Pearl playa (talk) 21:53, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Pearl playa! I hope the answer was helpful. As I wrote in the edit summary, I'm not one of the TeaHouse hosts, but I figured I'd answer the question anyway since it was unanswered and some newer questions were answered. – Pretended leer {talk} 12:02, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Teahouse - thank you

I just wanted to thank you personally for your input to Draft:Geological History of Nevada,. It's never going to make it to mainspace, I'm afraid, but I think the university geology student (yes, it's true!) who was set the assignment to write this will nevertheless benefit from seeing their mistakes rectified or critiqued by others. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:28, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

You're welcome, Nick Moyes! And sorry for taking so long to reply to this message. I'm replying now as I'm relying to a bunch of messages on my talk page at the same time. – Pretended leer {talk} 18:38, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thank you for your editing suggestions, most helpful. Rjreardon Rjreardon 20:46, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Rjreardon! I hope you find them useful. The answer that Seraphimblade wrote is also relevant. I'm just more used to fixing formatting errors than I'm used to fixing neutrality issues. So you might also want to read the list of words to watch.

Seeing as your signature isn't linking to your user page or talk page, you might want to go to Special:Preferences, and, in the signature section, untick the box that says Treat the above as wiki markup. You could also change the text to contain a link to your userpage and/or talk page. See WP:Signatures and wiki markup for more information on that. For example, a link to your talk page could be written like this [[User talk:Rjreardon|]]. Adding anything after the pipe character (|) would change the text shown.

Note that pages can't link to themselves, so testing signatures on pages that they link to might not work as expected. For example, my signature contains a link to this talk page, but when added here, it will show up in bold and won't be clickable. – Pretended leer {talk} 22:45, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Seems like the notelist doesn't work right when there's coloured text in the footnote. I've removed the colouring. – Pretended leer {talk} 18:38, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

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Thanks for helping Alvanhholmes

This section is getting a bit long, and I'm replying to two different messages at the same time.

Barnstar discussion

		The Original Barnstar
		Thanks for helping Alvanhholmes. It's really important to me to make editing wikipedia more accessible (if you noticed he said he's 79). Sincerely, Shashi Sushila Murray, (message me) 19:14, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, Shashi Sushila Murray! Yeah, 79 and he's putting lots of work into writing that draft. And discussing it on talk pages and through emails.

That being said, I think the three barnstars I've got in a couple of days are a bit too much. It's not like I've been more active in those few days than ever before. I guess helping Alvanholmes has been more useful than helping the other two users who asked how to do some things, and then they thanked me. And they didn't actually do them.

Alvanhholmes Corner==

Also, you might want to read the following message from Alvanholmes and my reply. – Pretended leer {talk} 18:38, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

I don't know how I never noticed this reply! You even pinged me. I'll read this when I get a chance (I got super busy on a family vacation and now I'm focused on work). Sincerely, Shashi Sushila Murray, (message me) 20:03, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

On primary sources and Beggars Bush

Reading the various instructional pages. I read on What Wiki isn't. That wiki doesn't quote primary sources. Is that true?

In writing my article on Councillor William Farrar I mentioned that at the time of the massacre he escapted to Beggar's Bush, subsequently Jordan's Jorney (sic) Then someone created a wiki link to Beggars Bush which is a Tavern in Ireland.

The name Beggar's bush has an interesting history which you can read about here https://billdargue.jimdo.com/placenames-gazetteer-a-to-y/places-b/beggars-bush/ I hope that I typed that link correctly.

I think that an article on Beggars Bush should be written and titled disambiguously.

When I first encountered the term when researching the line in 1962 my eyes translated it to Burning Bush, and I have always mused as to it's origin and applicability. but that link tells all.to wit: An early use of the phrase 'beggars bush' is found in Adam Foulweather's almanac of 1591 where he talks of people ‘who shall never tarry with master, but trudge from post to pillar, till they take up beggars' bush for their lodging.' The saying, ‘go to the beggars' bush' was subsequently usually applied to people who had brought about their own ruin." And that useage in 1591 is commensurate with the compound of Samuel Jordan, Unless you think it might appropriate to include in the article on William Farrar with an outside link? Alvanhholmes (talk) 01:15, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

In a lot of fields, primary sources are hard to read for non-experts. That makes them easy to misunderstand, which is why we generally avoid them here. Secondary sources are usually more readable by normal people. Since secondary sources report information that has already been reported by primary sources, they also mean more people have looked at the information before the secondary source could publish it.

I think I remember checking whether there was an article about Beggar's Bush, and it showed it was a disambiguation page. I then found that none of the places mentioned were in Virginia, so I figured it wasn't any of them and didn't link it. It seems someone else added a link later, and shortly afterwards you removed it.

Also, I've had a quick look at your email about creating two other articles, and I think when you're discussing the history of a place, linking to the website of something that exists there now might confuse some readers. – Pretended leer {talk} 18:38, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

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Questions about images and templates

I hope that you don't mind but I get so confused as to where to respond on User talk pages,that I thought creating my own corner might help me.

I really appreciated your current comments. You are of immense help to me. Seriously.

But I have trouble working through the Syntax and language.

For instance this suggestion:

You said "File:Farrar's Island Marker K199.jpg shows a sign. Whether an image on Commons can show that sign might depend on who wrote the text on the sign and where it is. Now, assuming it is in the USA and that it's meant to stay for a long time, we probably don't need the writer's permission. But we could still need permission from the photographer. Now, since the sign is mostly flat and its contents should be okay to show, we could cut out the other parts of the image. Or we could ask someone to go there and take another picture. In any case, where it asks for a source, you should put the adress of a webpage containing the image rather than that of the image itself."

The sign itself is made and placed by the State of Virginia. And there are signs like that all over Wikipedia, including Jordans Point, Virginia which has two such signs and they have not been modified to eliminate the background.

But that is no problem, the more technical stuff I do, the better I get (and it helps me with healing, I'm still recovering from the removal of a brain tumor, and with it some (unavoidably) tissue, not to mention 10 rounds of radiation. The more I do the better. Just don't know how to do some stuff.

How do I delete a jpg from the commons. I am there right now and there is no method I can see to delete a .jpg. I can modify the jpg on my computer and upload it again, but would like to delete it.

The file Farrar's Island Today was produced by Randy Farrar, President of Farrar Family Reunion, who has given me permission, to use it, tis he that drew the red lines of travel, the wording upper right is from a government agency explaining that the map is of the Dutch Gap Conservation Area, Conceptual Resource Management Plan (pure government speak) so it definitely should be copyright free, being paid for by the citizens of Virginia.

My problem is that I don't know how to use or invoke templates. Do I post it before, after or within the brackets ex ample {template: pd-gov} now they confuse and scare me, maybe if I could see an example, say on the Farrar's Island page or they were explained I would feel better. Take this [[File:Farrar's Island today.jpg |thumb | Farrar's Island Today]] How would I modify that to show that it was a government source.

I will look at the templates you suggested for creating a new sandbox. I hope that I am up to it. It is intimidating to say the least --> Thanks again for your patience and help

23:16, 14 November 2018 (UTC) Alvanholmes Timestamp was present, name was added by Pretended leer {talk} 21:29, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

I think you signed with five tildes instead of four. That caused the signature to show up as a timestamp without a name. I

Since the section is already quite long, and further discussion could make it longer, I'm adding some headings.

Images and copyright

The problem with the sign image is not the contents of the sign or the place in the background: it's the photographer who took that picture. Anyone can take a photograph of the sign and put it on Commons, but people generally shouldn't upload photographs taken by other people. As I mentioned earlier, I will soon spend some time away from Wikipedia. You might read the Commons licensing rules, though they're somehow hard to read. You could also ask questions at c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright. It might be possible to ask for someone to go to Farrar Island and take some photograph of the place. You could request that at c:Commons:Picture requests. But you could probably ask on the the article's talk page which types of images they think should be on the article.

Using templates

About templates, to put them on a page, we just write their name in curly brackets. For example, {{citation needed}} will show as . Some templates have options, which are pieces of text that the template can read. For example, Template:Infobox person, the template used at the start of William Farrar (settler).

The simplest templates are just bits of text that are commonly used, usually with some formatting and categories. In fact template:citation needed adds articles to a category so that people can look at the list, see which articles have been there for a long time, and either add citations or remove the unsourced information. I'm using another template above, to show what {{citation needed}} looks like without adding this talk page to a category.

By the way, the message at the top of this page is in a box, and that box is made with {{tmbox}}. – Pretended leer {talk} 21:29, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi pretended leer. I left a couple of messages on the Tea House, but the latest is driving me nuts.: making url citations.

Can you help me out please. If it is my problem, what I am doing wrong? Or is it a system problem?

ThanksAlvanhholmes (talk) 22:18, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

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