User talk:Pipera

Your articles nominated for deletion

Both Bodypump and Bodybalance which you created have been nominated for deletion. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bodypump and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bodybalance (exercise program). jnothman ^talk 07:48, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia doesn't care whether an organisation is profit or non-profit. Indeed, I could argue that in the general case, profitable organisations deserve articles over non-profit. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and so topics contained within should not conform to a particular structure or ideological merit (that would be biased towards a point of view), but on encyclopaedic notability. Please feel free to go to those articles' AFD pages and argue their notability. jnothman ^talk 10:03, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Do not argue to me! I have not claimed anything about Bodybalance and Bodypump. I only informed you of the nominations and argued against your claim of "non-profit" which seemed to be an argument for inclusion. What you need to do is go to those AFD pages and argue why bodybalance and bodypump are notable encyclopaedically, not by comparing them to something which clearly is notable, but by giving sources for an assessment of their popularity and their fame worldwide. This would include links to news articles on the programmes, etc. NOTE that I don't consider the articles currently an advertisement for the exercise programmes, rather for your blogs. If you had chosen more appropriate external links, I could possibly have excused the articles. jnothman ^talk 10:09, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, yes, "Do not argue to me" may not be the best way to put it in that it was misinterpreted. I only meant to make the point that your argument to keep the article should clearly be made on the AFDs linked above if you want the articles to be kept.

In terms of Wikipedia:About: yes, this is what Wikipedia is about. It begins with "Wikipedia is a free-content encyclopedia". Encyclopedias generally only include articles on encyclopedically notable subjects, covering them in an encyclopedic way by giving the most important information and resources. That is, a single external link should be the most informative site on the topic, and not a blog that occasionally mentions something about the programmes themselves. Otherwise, the article seems like an ad for a little-known fitness programme and a related blog. If you edit the articles to make them more encyclopedic in nature, this will help your case immensely. jnothman ^talk 13:16, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for adding those links. Adding links external to the blog would be more helpful. This would at least identify that Bodypump is more than a local phenomenon / business. I have cleaned up the bodypump article for style- please take a look. I may have a go at bodybalance too. But I don't even understand what "Michael J McSweeney choreographed Bodypump and Product Manager for this program. Bodypump is the original barbell class." means. Indeed, I'm not really sure what Bodypump is: I am no athlete, but this is an encyclopaedia which should be understandable by people not so familiar with the subject. I have changed my votes on AFD to weak keep, and would really appreciate it if you can find some evidence of this phenomena's notability and recognition outside of those promoting it (a website or two would do!). jnothman ^talk 02:01, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Reply to later comment [1]

Hi Pipera. I was not particularly against your articles. But you also provided no evidence on the AFD page -- as I asked for you to -- that argued the notability and significance of the article, as well as the verifiability of the content. Have any books, for instance been written about them? Newspaper reports? This is the sort of verifiable and known content that makes encyclopedias.

I also want to point out that, although the AFD did not interperet it this way, my main objection to the articles was on the basis that they seemed to advertise a particular web site (blog) and that they may have been created for this purpose. Indeed, I did not make a delete vote on either poll.

I know this response will not satisfy you, but I am still not convinced that the articles were encyclopedia-worthy.

jnothman ^talk 11:57, 19 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

New articles on Bodypump and Bodybalance

Hi Pipera,

Yes, I do think that Bodypump has sufficient recognition to have an article written about it. But I suggest you don't frame the article as an advertisement. Don't link under external links to personal blogs, but rather to the inventor's web site, or to large online Bodypump communities. Bodybalance, I'm still not sure about, so write the other one first.

jnothman ^talk 11:45, 30 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What's wrong with someone else creating an article on BodyPump? Do you intend to give a reason for wanting it deleted? It looks like an alright basic article to me... jnothman ^talk 12:19, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for experimenting with the page BodyPump on Wikipedia. Your test worked, and it has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you may want to do. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Metros232 05:57, 24 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

BodyPump

Can you please explain why you keep removing CITED material from the BodyPump article? Metros232 06:19, 24 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am the administrator and owner of that site and it was not sourced from my forum.

My forum does not contain the tracklists for that release and will not so until December 2006.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Pipera (talk • contribs)

You have no way of proving this right now. December 2006 is coming up within a matter of days, and the article could be deleted in a few days anyway, although it looks like it will be kept. So since the information is sourced, the way your are editing it does not seem to be helpful. Academic Challenger 06:35, 24 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pipera...YOU are the one who posted it to your forum! You posted it on October 17th. Here's some of what you said:

Musically, the new class is all you'd expect from a hard-out celebration of 15 years of "pumping". After our heart-starting warm-up, the party rocks into gear with an amazing squat track to the bring-back sound of What's Up from Aussie band Zander. Awesome CD Remix Heaven

The sing-along set go crazy here, as everyone locks and loads for an awesome workout to come. Bon Jovi's Have a Nice Day takes featured on Bodypump by Michael J McSweeney us into hard-rock territory for the chest track and E-Type featured on Bodypump by Michael J McSweeney helps drive the barbells skywards with the hugely uplifting Africa featured on Bodypump by Michael J McSweeney in the back track clean and presses.

A wicked set of dips nail the triceps to the latest hot sound from Pink, while the steady, pulsating Flaunt it from TV Rock featured on Bodypump by Michael J McSweeney is perfect for smashing the front of the arms (slot in the incredible Cherry Pie here if you like our biceps bonus option.)

The focus shifts back to the legs for some new-look lunges with Angel from b*p*m; then to the shoulders and the familiar, energizing sound of One Night in Bangkok.

Next cue Shakira Bodypump by Michael J McSweeney and the innovative side plank in the Abdominals. Amici's So Far Away is a beautiful Cooldown song about New Zealand and a proud reminder of the origins of BODYPUMP in a little country at the bottom of the world.

So why are you saying your site doesn't contain such information? Metros232 06:41, 24 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dont worry its been a long day :)

The links on BodyPump

The Les Mills blog is okay, but I removed the links to the blog sites you are affiliated with. There are tons of sites with BodyPump track listings online and I don't see any reason why Wikipedia should link to the particular sites you listed. You must remember, this is an encyclopedia entry. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fulkkari (talk • contribs) 10:16, 9 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Please do not remove my entries.

I have added them back.

For your information my tracklists are the originals every tracklist site comes from mine.

No other tarcklist site is as complete as mine and they are there for everyone to locate tracks.

Even if true, how does not matter? You are still linking to your own sites, which looks a bit like advertising, doesn't it? I don't have anything against tracklists per se. But also, if added, it should be integrated better to the article i.e. not under it's own header. It should also be noted that the tracklists are unofficial, not "most authoritive" lists. I think this should be discussed further at the Talk:BodyPump page. --Fulkkari 12:36, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My sites don't need advertising. I am adding them back as they are the "most authoritive" tracklists for Bodypump. If it was not for me no tracklists would be around. --pipera

I just moved the tracklist on the page, and fixed link of the current tracklist (it linked to the same page as the other one). But let me say that there is still a problem with linking to the site, as it against Wikipedia policy. Let me cite "Use of Wikipedia to link to a website that you own, maintain or are acting as an agent for is strongly recommended against, even if the guidelines otherwise imply that it should be linked to." By the time being, I let that pass (although you could change the background color :-)

On an other note, I removed some of the "cites" about training material etc. You cannot reference to material like that in an encyclopedia. See Wikipedia:Citing_sources and Wikipedia:Footnotes. I left the reference to the Japanese site, although it seemed a bit like advertisement. There should be a better URL, but I don't know Japanese, so...

Anyway, if you can reference to something less vague than "official educational materials from Les Mills International", it would be superb. Take care. --Fulkkari 20:29, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed up the Japan Link to the correct location. Other citations will be added as well. Take care yourself pipera

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Hi Pipera. There is no reason to unblock this user. They probably violate username guidelines. And it will have absolutely no effect on the business name and reputation of Ozymate whether there is a Wikipedia user by that name.12:36, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

RE: Bodypump article

I am aware the article was survived the AfD discussion - I was the one who closed the debate. The consensus at the discussion was that the program is sufficiently notable, though the article is still a bit promotional in content. The template that was added is designed to facilitate discussion and prompt improvement. If there is a legitimate concern, then the normal process is to leave the template on until the concerns have been addressed or there is a consensus that the template is incorrect. Someone else added the template, I agree with the concern, and several commentators at the AfD discussion also agreed. Therefore, there is clearly a legitimate concern. Please don't continue to remove the template without discussion or building a consensus.--Kubigula (talk) 15:28, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Wikipedia process is that a content template should generally not be removed unless it's been placed in bad faith or the concerns have been addressed. I hope you are not suggesting it's been placed in bad faith. I have started a thread on the talk page of the article to discuss the specific concerns, and I suggest we continue the conversation there.--Kubigula (talk) 16:24, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your recent edits

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Adding your blogs to the BodyPump article

Stop adding links to your personal blogs to the BodyPump article. Please read this #11 - Links to be avoided: Links to blogs, personal web pages and most fansites, except those written by a recognized authority.. You've been told this before and I really don't want to have to tell you again. Glen 03:51, 29 May 2011 (UTC) Hi I suggest you read the history of this topic, where I have been given permission to place them there. They are going back. BTW I helped write this article and was a major contributor to this article being here. Also under no circumstances ever speak to me like this again "You've been told this before and I really don't want to have to tell you again." or I will report you for abuse. There was major discussions about this about 6 years ago, I suggest you read the history of this thread, before you say rude remarks to contributors to this site. of which your language is not appreciated in a condescending manner and rude. Cheers!Pipera (talk) 04:19, 29 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to direct you to WP:OWN, and WP:COI - and then WP:3RR and be aware that if you continue to add links to your blog the article may be protected and you could well be blocked. Thanks Glen 07:53, 29 May 2011 (UTC)I wrote this article and I will add the links back, for your information, it is not a blog it is a tracklist site, I refer you to to the following converstation. I just moved the tracklist on the page, and fixed link of the current tracklist (it linked to the same page as the other one). But let me say that there is still a problem with linking to the site, as it against Wikipedia policy. Let me cite "Use of Wikipedia to link to a website that you own, maintain or are acting as an agent for is strongly recommended against, even if the guidelines otherwise imply that it should be linked to." By the time being, I let that pass (although you could change the background color :-)[reply]

On an other note, I removed some of the "cites" about training material etc. You cannot reference to material like that in an encyclopedia. See Wikipedia:Citing_sources and Wikipedia:Footnotes. I left the reference to the Japanese site, although it seemed a bit like advertisement. There should be a better URL, but I don't know Japanese, so... Anyway, if you can reference to something less vague than "official educational materials from Les Mills International", it would be superb. Take care. --Fulkkari 20:29, 14 December 2006 (UTC) Fulkkari allowed the links to be kept there, I do note that you left the adverting link back to fitpro?If you don't argue a logical reply I will as Fulkkari said they are OK, so clearly you are incorrect, I can also pull other talk on this matter,aargue away. It was allowed in 2006 and sill is allowed today. I suggest you do research before you say something incorrect in future. I also suggest to you it is a HTML site, website, it is not a blog. So please don't argue and say blog, when clearly the argument in your language is blog, so the argument is incorrect. The site is a URL link, it is not a blog link, argue about that!Pipera (talk) 10:42, 29 May 2011 (UTC) So am I allowed to place my links back?[reply]

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User:Pipera - You stated, on the talk page of User:Marchjuly, that you will be conferring with the group MIX5 and adding to the article. Exactly what is your connection with MIX5? If you have a connection, you must declare it in accordance with the conflict of interest policy. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:52, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

--Pipera (talk) 05:45, 19 December 2016 (UTC)pipera I was asked to confer with the Latin music section of Wikipedia of which I will to expand the section. I have no connection to them besides watching them on La Banda that is it.[reply]

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I am not working for them I watch the show and purchase their music. I have no commercial arrangements with them and have never ever worked or met any of these people. Please explain?

Original Research on William White

I have again reverted your additions to the William White page because it has every appearance of representing your personal genealogical research findings, and hence would represent Original Research, which is prohibited. All material on Wikipedia should come from reliable published sources. I have explained this on the William White talk page, but there are other issues that I have yet to raise - this seems excessively detailed information for a general biography, and it seems to be in the wrong place int he article, which discusses his marriage and children further down. I note that some of that is also in violation of policy (for example it cites simply the Leiden Records to document the statement that the Anna Fuller marriage has been disproven long ago), so the page clearly needs some work, but this is best hashed out on the Talk page first, rather than inserting your own opinions into the article itself. Agricolae (talk) 09:50, 23 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Pipera (talk) 10:00, 23 November 2017 (UTC) I will place referenced materials and links to original parish registers to back up my claims There is current research that the Mayflower White married a Susanna Jackson. Not Susannah or Anna Fuller. That William White and this Susannah Jackson boarded form England. And supported factual information pertaining to his family and her family.[reply]

There is current research to be posted to support the birth of the William White Mayflower, and his wife's real name, and the separation of this family from the family of William White and Anna Fuller, which I am the 10 times removed cousin, her brothers Samuel and Edward are the same.

Your information is outdated and the information in this article is not current or correct.

You should not ever be citing parish registers on Wikipedia. Their use violates the policy WP:PRIMARY. Wikipedia editors don't get to do their own research and they don't get to draw their own conclusions: they just summarize what has been published in reliable sources (in this case primarily NEHGR & TAG, the Mayflower Society 'silver books', Anderson's Great Migration, etc., not the myriad of material various descendants have put online, and particularly not material you have found yourself). Sometimes this means that material on Wikipedia is wrong or dated, but it means you don't get to replace it just because you think it is wrong. Wikipedia is not intended to represent the cutting edge on a question, but rather the established consensus, as demonstrated by such publications. Agricolae (talk) 10:18, 23 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Pipera (talk) 23:06, 23 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You cannot suggest that what is in Anderson's Great Migration is correct and reliable, there are mistakes in this work. Also the Silver Books are also not reliable or researchers. I have access to the original parish registers, and actual cemetery records of the parish churches. I take what I do seriously as a genealogist, and have credible work create and published on line pertaining to all information I supply. Anyway, I will write this up in an academic approach and will present this to you.

You are operating under a rather severe misconception. Verifiability (WP:V), one of the core standards for inclusion in Wikipedia, is not based on the material being correct; reliability, as defined by Wikipedia, is not a common sense determination of 'is the material right?' A compilation published by a reputable genealogical society and compiled by an FASG such as Bob Anderson is ABSOLUTELY a reliable source, as defined by Wikipedia (seeWP:RS). Again with the Silver Books, they were published and edited by a respected genealogical society with a tradition of accuracy - they are likewise reliable sources, as defined by Wikipedia. You may have concluded that these are wrong based on the primary sources to which you have access, but this is irrelevant to Wikipedia, because you are not a reliable source as defined by Wikipedia, no matter how fastidious you are in your genealogical pursuits. One of the core pillars of Wikipedia is No Original Research - this is an encyclopedia based on published secondary sources, not 'The Truth!". It may sound like a skewed set of priorities, to prefer wrong published information over right information directly from the sources, but that is the way Wikipedia was originally envisioned, and that is what the enabling rules indicate is appropriate practice. As such, Wikipedia is not a host for your personal genealogical findings (Wikipedia is explicitly not genealogical - WP:NOTGENEALOGY), nor for your own novel conclusions, no matter how much superior they may be to what has been published. If you want your original research included in Wikipedia, then the only acceptable approach is to get your findings published in NEHGR or Mayflower Descendant or something similar. Then it would be appropriate to refer to these findings and cite the journal article (although you should be careful of violating conflict-of-interest rules). Primary records (WP:PRIMARY) are only to be used on Wikipedia as a supplement to a published secondary source, not alone, and no conclusions that have not been so published are to be included. Agricolae (talk) 15:03, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Pipera (talk) 04:04, 2 December 2017 (UTC) We have established the birth of William White (proven from parish registers.) he married Susannah Jackson proven. He is the son of an Edward White proven. He is the 1/2 brother of Henry May, the father of Dorothy May whom married William Bradford which is proven. I have access to the parish registers and this is real. It all ties in with current research and I guess in time I will be proven right. Thanks for your time.[reply]

I am not questioning your competence, I am not questioning your conclusions, but the same original research in primary records that is the only proper way to do genealogy is absolutely, explicitly forbidden on Wikipedia. You really should write it up for TAG, NEHGR, TG or MD (not the inferior MQ). I would look forward to reading what you found. Agricolae (talk) 04:46, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Genealogical additions

A number of your recent genealogical additions have been problematic. Much of the genealogical material one finds online is not trustworthy, by Wikipedia's standards, and so addition of unsourced material that one happens to find on a genealogical web site is likely to be reverted, as I have done to many of your recent changes. Agricolae (talk) 19:25, 12 April 2021 (UTC) (Pipera (talk) 03:12, 15 April 2021 (UTC)) Allot of the entries here are speculative, and are narrative in format TBH. You visit around the different language versions of the same person some name date etc and the content is different in all aspects.[reply]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry,_son_of_Robert_I_of_Burgundy

Henry of Burgundy (c. 1035 – January 27, 1070/1074), called the Gallant (le Damoiseau), was the eldest surviving son and heir of Robert I, Duke of Burgundy, second son of Robert II of France, and his wife, Helie of Semur, granddaughter of Henry I, Duke of Burgundy. Little is known about his life. He died shortly before his father and was never duke himself.

That is unreferenced, are they using a Julian Calendar? The C 1035 should not be there.

Henry and his wife had the following children: where does it state that this is definitive? It does not. The dates are they Julian Calendar? Should that not be specified?

The name of Henry's wife is not known: both Sibylla and Clémence have been suggested. Where is the reference point for that? It is problematic that this occurs in the entry. Most of that paragraph is not referenced and has no structure and paragraph breaks. http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BURGUNDY.htm#Henridied10701074

BTW my pedigree chart not referenced using wikipedia is exactly as your stated Including the parents of Helle of Semur.

As stated I know his wife's name and I stand by what I said and the article needs cleaning up.

BTW I was right about William White and Susannah Jackson.

http://www.pilgrimfathersorigins.org/pilgrims-william-white---susanna-white-winslow-jackson.html

FYI

The WP:BURDEN is upon you to prove your source is reliable. Take it to Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. Joseph Gardner Bartlett is not an academic historian and the book is self-published.

Considering this is not your first warning concerning your editing, I would suggest you refrain from edit warring(Richard II of Normandy, et.al.). --Kansas Bear (talk) 12:46, 27 July 2021 (UTC) Pipera (talk) Suggest you read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Gardner_Bartlett from Wikipedia so I am placing his reference back if you have any issues dispute the book and what was presented. He was a member of the American Society of Genealogists,a and I consider him a subject master in this issue, have an issue with this then you need to argue that elswhere.[reply]

Re the Warning I was not aware you can warn someone on a date that you have an issue with.

Bartlett source is self-published as such it is an unreliable source.

"He was a member of the American Society of Genealogists.."

Which means nothing. The articles you are editing are medieval history of which Bartlett has no specialization. Continue edit warring at your own risk. --Kansas Bear (talk) 23:11, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pipera (talk) with all due respect you need to prove the materials in his book are incorrect, as you are challenging the credibility of the authors work.

Pipera (talk)Also you have given a vague response to the authors research which is highly disrespectful to the authors work without challenge to his work as a whole. Please respond to this. The book is stored at the Public Library of the City of Boston and they would not house works that are not a reliable source. As they are a reputable recognised library.

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Pipera (talk) I have not been disruptive here I added the additional date as it is widely accepted. The 850 came about via a family tree that connected her to the Danish Royal Family of which had no children. https://www.genealogieonline.nl/en/stamboom-weijerman/I1956.php this is their reference point. Her parents are unknow, and her heritage is also unknown.

Also check out: https://www.geni.com/people/Herbastus-de-Cr%C3%A9pon-hypothetical-person/6000000000424705521

As I said I know this family tree and this is incorrect and I have pointed that out. Feel free to check and get back to me.

FYI, geni.com is not a reliable source.

And this, an online crowd-sourced genealogy, is also an unreliable source.

You would do well to learn what a reliable source is on Wikipedia.

"As I said I know this family tree and this is incorrect and I have pointed that out."

Wikipedia is written using reliable sources, not what you think you know.

"Feel free to check and get back to me."

I have multiple academic sources, you have online crowd-sourced genealogies. Feel free to take both of them to the Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard, and get back to me. --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:47, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Norman rule[edit]

Starting with Rollo, Normandy was ruled by an enduring and long-lived Viking dynasty. Illegitimacy was not a bar to succession and three of the first six rulers of Normandy were illegitimate sons of concubines. Rollo's successor, William Longsword, managed in expanding his domain and came into conflict with Arnulf of Flanders, who had him assassinated in 942. This led to a crisis in Normandy, with a minor succeeding as Richard I, and also led to a temporary revival of Norse paganism in Normandy. Richard I's son, Richard II, was the first to be styled duke of Normandy, the ducal title becoming established between 987 and 1006.

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Normans - Trevor Rowley - Google Books

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History Press, 20 July 2009 - History - 240 pages

The Normans were a relatively short-lived cultural and political phenomenon. The emerged early in the tenth century and had disappeared off the map by the mid-thirteenth century. Yet in that time they had conquered England, southern Italy and Sicily, and had established outposts in North Africa and in Levant. Having traced the formation of the Duchy of Normandy, Trevor Rowley draws on the latest archaeological and historical evidence to examine how the Normans were able to conquer and dominate significant parts of Europe. In particular he looks at their achievements in England and Italy and their claim to a permanent legacy, as witnessed in feudalism, in castles, churches and settlement and in place-names. But equally from the political stage. The reality is that, even within this short time-span, the Normans changed as time and place dictated from Norse invaders to Frankish crusaders to Byzantine monarchs to Feudal overlords. In the end their contribution to medieval culture was largely as a catalyst for other, older traditions.

So, Wikipedia on two sites state I am right.

Prove me wrong. Pipera (talk) 01:26, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I am not in an edit war I sated events from Wikipedia. This has been the situation you stated she is Dutchess of Normandy this site Comté de Rouen — Wikipédia (wikipedia.org) says differently. Further, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_II,_Duke_of_Normandy states he is a Duke further https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_of_Normandy states he is a count not duke.

Richard II was the first Duke of Normandy as stated in the URL provided.

Rollo, William and Richard are Counts of Rohen and are not dukes she https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunnor is not a Dutchess and was a Countess. She was a concubine of Richard 1 as he was married to Emma who was his first wife.

If you can disprove this then we are not in an edit war.

So, I am asking for a revert until you have proven me wrong. Pipera (talk) 01:17, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Starting with Rollo, Normandy was ruled by an enduring and long-lived Viking dynasty. Illegitimacy was not a bar to succession and three of the first six rulers of Normandy were illegitimate sons of concubines. Rollo's successor, William Longsword, managed in expanding his domain and came into conflict with Arnulf of Flanders, who had him assassinated in 942. This led to a crisis in Normandy, with a minor succeeding as Richard I, and also led to a temporary revival of Norse paganism in Normandy. Richard I's son, Richard II, was the first to be styled duke of Normandy, the ducal title becoming established between 987 and 1006.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Normandy

Normans - Trevor Rowley - Google Books

Trevor Rowley

History Press, 20 July 2009 - History - 240 pages

The Normans were a relatively short-lived cultural and political phenomenon. The emerged early in the tenth century and had disappeared off the map by the mid-thirteenth century. Yet in that time they had conquered England, southern Italy and Sicily, and had established outposts in North Africa and in Levant. Having traced the formation of the Duchy of Normandy, Trevor Rowley draws on the latest archaeological and historical evidence to examine how the Normans were able to conquer and dominate significant parts of Europe. In particular he looks at their achievements in England and Italy and their claim to a permanent legacy, as witnessed in feudalism, in castles, churches and settlement and in place-names. But equally from the political stage. The reality is that, even within this short time-span, the Normans changed as time and place dictated from Norse invaders to Frankish crusaders to Byzantine monarchs to Feudal overlords. In the end their contribution to medieval culture was largely as a catalyst for other, older traditions.

So, Wikipedia on two sites state I am right.

Prove me wrong. Pipera (talk) 01:26, 3 January 2024 (UTC) Pipera (talk) 01:27, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Richard I of Normandy - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_I_of_Normandy

Richard I Count of Rouen Pipera (talk) 01:31, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He used the title Comte de Rouen/comes Rothomagensium, and from 966 Marquis des Normands/marchio Normannorum Kerrebrouck (2000), p. 50 footnote 6. The archdiocese of Rouen, which is also known as Rothomagensium in Latin. It is an archdiocese of the Latin Rite of the Roman Catholic Church in France. The archdiocese is located in the city of Rouen, which is the capital of the Normandy region. The archdiocese of Rouen has a rich history and has been led by several archbishops throughout history. The Acta archiepiscoporum Rotomagensium is a short history of the archbishops of Rouen from the foundation of the see to the archiepiscopate of William Bona Anima (1079-1110) Pipera (talk) 01:45, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BTW I have a Bachelor's degree in education and Master of Education and I as a teacher aim to provide to my students the correct information. I am also her 27th Great Grandson as well and I have been doing this family tree for over 12 years I know all facts about her and her children, and the children of Richard 1 and his various concubines of which I and a descendant of and 56 of the children of Richard 1 and Gunnora, I am also related to Emma the first wife of Richard I am a descendant of her sister. Pipera (talk) 10:13, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.oteripedia.de/Fr%C3%A4nkisches_Reich 620 - 640 see there is not mention of any Carloman repsenting himself as the father of Pippin der Ältere so based on this are you going to revert the article to omit this person as his father. Pipera (talk) 05:36, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your recent edit of Charlemagne

In your edit of Charlemagne, you put a citation in your edit summary. Please include it as an in-line reference sp readers can refer to it. I can show you how to do that, if you need guidance. Cheers. —GoldRingChip 13:53, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please assist me thank you. Pipera (talk) 23:28, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've added the information and a reference here. Is it correct? —GoldRingChip 00:57, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for that much appreciated. Pipera (talk) 09:27, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nobody (talk) The other was incorrect us this one instead. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Sir_Thurstan_de_Holland

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Draft:Sir Thurstan de Holland

Firstly Sir is a title or honorific it is not part of the individuals name and as such should be removed from the article's title (Sir Thurstan de Holland to Thurstan de Holland). At this stage there are not multiple Thurstan de Holland articles and it needs no further disambiguation.

Secondly the article needs to be written like an encyclopaedic article, avoid using phrases like "we emerge more into the light of day, and a good deal of information and fuller details are forthcoming." as they add no value to the article. All statements in the article, such as "The Sheriff was directed, however, to release them if they would find good and sure pledges that they would appear before the King to reply to the charge." and "Thurstan is said to have married, first, the daughter of Adam de Kellet of Nether Kellet, whose grandson, Orm de Kellet, by a fine levied at York on the i8th December 1299." should be backed by an inline citation referencing a verifiable source (see Wikipedia's guidelines for referencing by beginners for how to do that).

Thirdly the structure of the article needs to be modified. The lead needs to identify the individual and what he is notable for, not his parentage or his offspring. The next section should cover his life, main achievements. Followed by a section on his death and family (i.e. wives and offspring).

The draft at the moment is fairly convoluted and has no clear flow.

Hope that helps. Dan arndt (talk) 09:47, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Some of us are related to the people we are editing here and come here with over 40 years of experience. Nether less there is a pouncing attitude here where people make off the cuff remarks without any academic input into why they rolled back and article. This creates an edit war and that is what we do not want to happen. They know to raise a discussion about the issue they do not. They just delete and cause an issue. I do not come here to have someone to a rollback which is which means I am not interested in what you have contributed here, and I am going to roll back, this does not expand what is here it is simply rolling back.

Notwithstanding what we have done outside of this site, and how we have been working there for over 14 years. Pipera (talk) 04:28, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I came into the article with reference to the Domesday Book from a reputable source at no time have I added my opinion to the article Professor J.J.N. Palmer from the University of Hull is the subject matter expert in regard to this matter, I also stated where Hubert de Port and Hugh de Port reside in his work, and tied this into0 the town of Mapledurwell, this was reversed stating no logical reason for the reversal of the sources. That is all I have done in the article on Adam de Port.

It is to be historical correct to say the lineage of Adam de Port leads to no further generations, and there are no current day living people that are direct related to him. I am a descendant of Hugh de Port and come to the article in this regard. I also stated the lineage direction of the lands of Mapledurwell to the Basett, Despencer lines and this was removed when this is factually correct, please explain to me why this was removed to the other person. Kindest regards. Pipera (talk) 01:49, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prosopography of Anglo-Saxon England - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosopography_of_Anglo-Saxon_England was the major source of information for the adding in of the information.

he PASE database is dedicated to professor Nicholas Brooks and Ann Williams.

Nicholas Brooks (historian) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Brooks_(historian)

So, what is the issue? Pipera (talk) 02:46, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

First, thank you for signing your talk page message correctly. The community will expect you to do this in the future; you've been cautioned on this by a veritable who's who of wikipedians over your eighteen year editing history. The above is non-responsive to my warning, which is about behavior, not content. As I've cautioned above, you continue to be reverted on the linked article. Yet you expect me to decide a case here on the merits. You have not denied being involved in a 3RR situation. You have, once again, appealed to expertise but failed to present such on pagespace. Your latest responses on the talk page do not in any way engage with the complaints against you. Neither does your response here. Will you stop edit warring on Adam de Port (d. c. 1133)? BusterD (talk) 04:45, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am not interested in that article anymore and have better thing to do with my time. What is a 3RR. I was here in back in around 2001 adding entries to Wikipedia. I have taught history in high school and I know how to teach history. Pipera (talk) 08:08, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for stopping your edit warring at Adam de Port (d. c. 1133). Once again you appeal to your expertise, while pretending not to even know what WP:3RR is (even though you've clearly been warned for 3RR violations before). At this point, your additions to Wikipedia are each net negatives and are being reverted by other wikipedians. Your talk page is littered with interaction warnings. But you seem to continue in this manner. I'm confused. BusterD (talk) 16:04, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The other issues have oathing to do with the Adam de Port article. They have no merit in the Adam de Port article. They have been resolved to a point. Pipera (talk) 18:26, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The others are draft and have not been resubmitted ay this time. Pipera (talk) 18:27, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Again, these two comments are non-responsive to what I just wrote. BusterD (talk) 20:03, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The articles are nothing to do with what you were saying about Adam de Port and have no basis for anything pertaining to the issue. In regard to Adam de Port his lineage is extinct and there are no living ancestors of this lineage. Their lands were stripped and went to other people the Adam at the end of the tree simply vanishes into history, so any further discussion of his lineage is a moot point to all concerned. I removed myself from the article and that is the end of the story. Pipera (talk) 20:14, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I have revered the entry. Pipera (talk) 23:03, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Would like to make a statement please give a suitable amount of time before doing this, this is not a valid wanning, it is a talk issue. Further I have connected them to the House of Laval House of Laval - Wikipedia.

We stive to help each other out with solutions and this is where joint efforts are better required. Pipera (talk) 00:45, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I am not engaged in an edit war, you revered People of Medieval Scotland 1093 - 1371 People of Medieval Scotland without any reason. Pipera (talk) 23:14, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Have you read the source documents? Pipera (talk) 23:14, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

== People of Medieval Scotland 1093 - 1371 ==

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Pipera (talk) 23:16, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reported

See here. --Paramandyr (talk) 23:57, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Henry I of England

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_I_of_England

Henry I

Legitimate

Henry had a number of illegitimate children by various mistresses.^{[nb 1]} Henry I of England married Matilda of Scotland they had issue:

Euphamia (d. July 1101)
William Adelin died Normandy 25 Nov 1120 White Ship disaster.
Matilda she married Henry V, Holy Roman Emperor (no issue.)

Matilda married Geoffrey Plantagenet, Count of Anjou they had issue:

Henry I of England married Adeliza of Louvain married 29 January 1121 had no issue.

Illegitimate

Henry had a number of illegitimate children by various mistresses. Henry I of England by Woman from Gay they had one son:

Robert FitzRoy, Earl of Gloucester, born in the 1090s to a woman of Gay family of north Oxfordshire;^[2]

Henry I of England by Edith Forne they had issue:

Matilda FitzRoy, Countess of Perche ;^[3] died 25 November 1120 on the White Ship
Robert FitzEdith, born to Edith Forne ;^[4]

Henry I of England by Ansfride She was the wife of Anskill of Seacourt, at Wytham in Berkshire (now Oxfordshire) they had issue:

Richard, brought up by Robert Bloet, the Bishop of Lincoln ;^[5]
Juliane, wife of Eustace of Breteuil, ^[6]
Fulk FitzRoy ^[4]

Henry I of England by Geva de Tracy they had one son:

William de Tracy, possibly born in the 1090s;^[7]

Henry I of England by Sybilla Corbet of Alcester.Sybilla Corbet of Alcester was born in 1077, in Alcester in Warwickshire. She married Herbert FitzHerbert, son of Herbert "the Chamberlain" of Winchester and Emma de Blois. She died after 1157, and was also known as Adela (or Lucia) Corbet. Sybil was definitely mother of Sybil and Rainald, possibly also of William and Rohese. Some sources suggest that there was another daughter by this relationship, Gundred, but it appears that she was thought as such because she was a sister of Reginald de Dunstanville but it appears that that was another person of that name who was not related to this family.

Reginald de Dunstanville, Earl of Cornwall, born in the 1110s or early 1120s ^[8]
Sybilla de Normandy, Queen of Scotland, probably born before 1100;^[9] ^{[nb 2]}

Henry I of England by Nest ferch Rhys Nest ferch Rhys was born about 1073, at Dynefwr Castle, Carmarthenshire, the daughter of Prince Rhys ap Tewdwr of Deheubarth and his wife, Gwladys ferch Rhywallon. She married, in 1095, to Gerald de Windsor (also known as Geraldus FitzWalter) son of Walter FitzOther, Constable of Windsor Castle and Keeper of the Forests of Berkshire. She had several other liaisons—including one with Stephen of Cardigan, Constable of Cardigan (1136)—and subsequently other illegitimate children. The date of her death is unknown.

Henry FitzRoy, ;^[4] ^{[nb 3]}
- Meiler Fitzhenry - Lord Chief Justice of Ireland

Henry I of England mistress Isabel de Beaumont daughter of Robert de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Leicester husband of Gilbert de Clare, 1st Earl of Pembroke and Hervey de Montmorency ;^[9] they issue.

Isabel FitzRoy

Unknown Mistress’s

Gilbert FitzRoy, possibly born to an unnamed sister or daughter of Walter of Gand;^[7]
Constance, Viscountess of Beaumont-sur-Sarthe;^[10]
Matilda FitzRoy; Duchess of Brittany.^[3]
Elizabeth Fitzroy, the wife of Fergus of Galloway
Mabel, wife of William Gouet;^[11]
Aline, wife of Matthew de Montmorency ;^[9]
Matilda Fitzroy, Abbess of Montivilliers;^[9]

References

^ Thompson 2003, p. 130; White 1949, pp. 105–121
^ Thompson 2003, pp. 141–143
^ ^a ^b Thompson 2003, p. 147
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d Thompson 2003, p. 146; Green 2009, p. 322
^ Thompson 2003, pp. 143, 146
^ Thompson 2003, pp. 147–148; Green 2009, p. 322
^ ^a ^b Thompson 2003, p. 146
^ Thompson 2003, pp. 143–146
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e Thompson 2003, p. 149
^ Thompson 2003, pp. 148–149
^ Thompson 2003, p. 148

The above is correct. Pipera (talk) 23:10, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What gets me is they are all HYPERLINKED to Wikipedia pages and all are here and nothing was added that was not hyperlinked here.

So, if there is no objection in 48 hours I will place this back in the article. I am now awaiting your replies. Pipera (talk) 23:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are making pagespace proposals on your own talk space instead of on Talk:Henry I of England; make your proposals in the right spot. BusterD (talk) 23:42, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Henry I of England - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Henry_I_of_England#Ancestry Pipera (talk) 23:46, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So, if there is no objection in 48 hours I will place this back in the article. I am now awaiting your replies' Pipera (talk) 23:51, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The talk page consensus is against edits to that section. Please do not make changes until there is explicit consensus on the article talk page for them. Celia Homeford (talk) 15:45, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is no consensus because everythign there is taken from Wikitree:

Henry (Normandie) of England (1068-1135) | WikiTree FREE Family Tree https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Normandie-45#Illegitimate_Children

Unknown Mistresses of King Henry I of England https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Unknown_Mistresses_of_King_Henry_I_of_England

Evenb over there we seem to know what we are doing. Pipera (talk) 18:40, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikitree is not a reliable source. See Wikipedia:Reliable sources#User-generated content. Celia Homeford (talk) 12:44, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Main article listings

Hi @Pipera, I have noticed that you have placed Main articles under the heading Main articles in William Martin, 1st Baron Martin. Generally these are grouped under see also heading and just bullet point to articles related to this article that are not already linked in the article itself. I am proposing to make this change now. Regards Newm30 (talk) 05:55, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

They would not make navigating the various parties to this complex family not workable.

== Main Articles==

Is the only way this will work. Pipera (talk) 06:04, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have explained my position, and you ignored it anyway, I have said this based on the fact they are main articles. Pipera (talk) 07:17, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This issue has been resolved all there needs to be is communication here, and discussion. Pipera (talk) 20:03, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am in the middle of fixing up these pages that have been neglected for many years (The Martin Lines.) and before I improved them, they were a mess.

Each page is linked, and now are clarified in each section of the Matin trees.

I have vastly improved his page.

William Martin, 1st Baron Martin - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Martin,_1st_Baron_Martin

Also, the page for Robert fitz Martin was a mess now it is clear and tells the history of the Martin lineage.

Pipera (talk) 06:08, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

i understand what you are trying to do it's just not Wikipedia policy to list main articles under main article headings. See also headings are the appropriate way. Rewards Newm30 (talk) 06:51, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

They are main articles. Pipera (talk) 07:08, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have referred to an administrator for review and advice. Regards Newm30 (talk) 07:17, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Main - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Main

== Examples ==

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Pipera (talk) 07:22, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Byzantine Empire https://en.wikipedia.org/wik refer this as example why I am right to your administrator. Also, I am descendant of William Martin and was looking at improving the look of my ancestor's web page here. Pipera (talk) 07:28, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Roman Empire - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Empire refer this to them as well.

== Main Articles==

Theirs are scattered whereas mine are in the same location with a heading attached. Pipera (talk) 07:31, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is a see also tag

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Roman_Empire&action=edit&section=16

they are not See also they are .

You used:

==See also==

See also: Roman emperor and Senate of the Roman Empire
is the correct tag.

Forward that to your administrator. Pipera (talk) 07:36, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Family and children

Legitimate children

He had two children by Matilda (Edith),^[1] who died in 1118

Matilda the Empress, (c. 1102-1167) Queen of England.
William the Aetheling, (1103-1120) Duke of Normandy.

Disaster struck when William, his only legitimate son, perished in the wreck of the White Ship on 25 November 1120 off the coast of Normandy. Also, among the dead were two of Henry's illegitimate child ren, as well as a niece, Lucia-Mahaut de Blois. Henry's grieving was intense, and the succession was in crisis.

Second marriage

On 29 January 1121, he married Adeliza ^[2], daughter of Godfrey I of Leuven, Duke of Lower Lotharingia and Landgrave of Brabant, but there were no children from this marriage. Left without male heirs, Henry took the unprecedented step of making his barons swear to accept his daughter Empress Matilda, widow of Henry V, the Holy Roman Emperor, as his heir

Illegitimate children

King Henry is famed for holding the record for the largest number of acknowledged illegitimate children born to any English king. He had many mistresses.

His illegitimate offspring for whom there is documentation are and including documented names of his mistress, as stated in Britain's royal families: the complete genealogy by Weir, Alison, 1951- Publication date 2002m and the Henry Project.

Maud FitzRoy, married Conan III, Duke of Brittany ^[3]
Constance FitzRoy, married Richard de Beaumont
Eustacia, wife of William Gouet ;^[4]
Aline FitzRoy, married Matthieu I of Montmorency ^[5]
William dek Tracy, died shortly after King Henry.
Gilbert FitzRoy, died after 1142. His mother may have been a sister of Walter de Gand. ^[6]
Emma, born circa 1138; married Gui de Laval, Lord Laval. [Uncertain, born 2 years after Henry died.] ;^[7]
Matilda FitzRoy, Abbess of Montivilliers ^[5]
Constance, Viscountess of Beaumont-sur-Sarthe ;^[8]
Gundrada de Dunstanville;^[5]
Unknown daughter betrothed to Hugh FitzGervais
Adeliza. ^[7]
Elizabeth Fitzroy, the wife of Fergus of Galloway ;^[7]
Possibly Sibyl of Falaise. ^[7]^{[nb 4]}
Rohese of England (1114 – 1146), married 1130 Henry de la Pomerai, son of Joscelin de la Pomerai.^[5]^{[nb 5]}
William her married a lady called Alice.
Daughter married Helie de Saint-Saëns.
Daughter married Guillaume Goët de Montmirail.

With Edith

Matilda du Perche, married Count Rotrou II of Perche, perished in the wreck of the White Ship.;^[3] ^[9]

With Ansfride

Ansfride was born c. 1070. She was the wife of Anskill of Seacourt, at Wytham in Berkshire (now Oxfordshire). tenant of Abingdon^[10]

Juliane de Fontevrault, married Eustace de Pacy. She tried to shoot her father with a crossbow after King Henry allowed her two young daughters to be blinded. ^[11]
Fulk FitzRoy, a monk at Abingdon-on-Thames. ^[12]
Richard of Lincoln, perished in the wreck of the White Ship. ;^[13]

With Sybil Corbet

Lady Sybilla Corbet of Alcester was born in 1077 in Alcester in Warwickshire. She married Herbert FitzHerbert, son of Herbert 'the Chamberlain' of Winchester and Emma de Blois. She died after 1157 and was also known as Adela (or Lucia) Corbet. Sybil was definitely mother of Sybil and Rainald, possibly also of William and Rohese. Some sources suggest that there was another daughter by this relationship, Gundred, but it appears that she was thought as such because she was a sister of Reginald de Dunstanville but it appears that that was another person of that name who was not related to this family.

Sybilla of England, married King Alexander I of Scotland. ^[5] ^{[nb 6]}
William Constable, born before 1105. Married Alice (Constable); died after 1187.
Reginald de Dunstanville, 1st Earl of Cornwall. ^[14]

With Edith FitzForne

Robert FitzEdith, Lord Okehampton, (1093 – 1172) married Dame Maud d'Avranches daughter of Robert d'Avranches;^[12]
Adeliza FitzEdith. Appears in charters with her brother Robert.

With Princess Nesta

Nest ferch Rhys was born about 1073 at Dynefwr Castle, Carmarthenshire, the daughter of Prince Rhys ap Tewdwr of Deheubarth and his wife, Gwladys ferch Rhywallon. She married, in 1095, to Gerald de Windsor (aka Geraldus FitzWalter) son of Walter FitzOther, Constable of Windsor Castle and Keeper of the Forests of Berkshire. She had several other liaisons - including one with Stephen of Cardigan, Constable of Cardigan (1136) - and subsequently other illegitimate children. The date of her death is unknown.

Henry FitzRoy, died 1157. ^[12]

With Isabel de Beaumont

Isabel (Elizabeth) de Beaumont (after 1102 – after 1172), daughter of Robert de Beaumont, sister of Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester. She married Gilbert de Clare, 1st Earl of Pembroke, in 1130. She was also known as Isabella de Meulan.

Isabel of England, born circa 1078. ^[5]

Unknown Woman

Robert, 1st Earl of Gloucester. Often, probably incorrectly, said to have been a son of Sybil Corbet. His mother may have been a member of the Gai/Gay/Gayt family. He is also referred to Robert de Caen. He became Lord of Gloucestershire in 1122Cite error: A <ref> tag is missing the closing </ref> (see the help page).^[15]

G. E. Cokayne, in his Complete Peerage

The complete peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, Vol. 11
G. E. Cokayne, in his Complete Peerage, Vol. XI, Appendix D pps 105-121

[G. E. Cokayne, in his Complete Peerage, Vol. XI, Appendix D pps 105-121 attemps to elucidate Henry I's illegiimate children. For Mistress Sybil Corbet, he indicates that Rohese married Henry de la Pomerai [ibid.:119]. In any case, the dates concerning Rohese in the above article are difficult to reconcile on face value, her purported children having seemingly been born before their mother, and also before the date of her mother's purported marriage.]

Additional Cited Records

Records were extracted from Robert of Torigni.
Orderic Vitalis.
Britain's royal families: the complete genealogy by Weir, Alison, 1951- Publication date 2002 has a comprehensive record of all children of Henry I.^[16]
The Henry Project a trusted site for medieval genealogy and the descendants of Herny II of England. ^[17]
Some corrections and additions to the Complete Peerage: Volume 11: Henry Illegitimate Children (PROPOSED CORRECTIONS). ^[18]

Revision as of 12:31, 7 February 2010 - Revision as of 12:31, 7 February 2010 - Revision as of 12:30, 7 February 2010 edit

The following archival material was accessed in the construction of this family. ^[19] there are many archival entries that support this version from Wikipedia.

This is based on a collection of information that was previously removed for unknown reasons, every accuracy has been made to restore this to its original context. The previous format of the children is not correct and bundles all the children into two groups sons and daughters, this has been corrected, and two additional records have been added, and modification of illegitimate children added.

Family tree

Norman English and early Plantagenet monarchs and their relationship with rulers of Western Europe^[20]

: Red borders indicate English monarchs
: Bold borders indicate legitimate children of English monarchs

Baldwin II
King of Jerusalem

Fulk IV
Count of Anjou

Bertrade of Montfort

Philip I
King of France

William the Conqueror
King of England
r. 1066–1087

Saint Margaret of Scotland

Malcolm III
King of Scotland

Melisende
Queen of Jerusalem

Fulk V
King of Jerusalem

Eremburga of Maine

Robert Curthose

William II
King of England
r. 1087–1100

Adela of Normandy

Henry I
King of England
r. 1100–1135

Matilda of Scotland

Duncan II
King of Scotland

Edgar
King of Scotland

Alexander I
King of Scotland

David I
King of Scotland

Sibylla of Anjou

William Clito

Stephen
King of England
r. 1135–1154

Geoffrey Plantagenet
Count of Anjou

Henry
of Scotland

Philip of Alsace
Count of Flanders

Louis VII
King of France

Eleanor of Aquitaine

Henry II
King of England
r. 1154–1189

Geoffrey
Count of Nantes

William FitzEmpress

Malcolm IV
King of Scotland

William the Lion
King of Scotland

Baldwin I
Latin Emperor

Isabella of Hainault

Philip II
King of France

Henry the Young King

Matilda
Duchess of Saxony

Richard I
King of England
r. 1189–1199

Geoffrey II
Duke of Brittany

Eleanor

Alfonso VIII
King of Castile

Joan

William II
King of Sicily

John
King of England
r. 1199–1216

Louis VIII
King of France

Otto IV
Holy Roman Emperor

Arthur I
Duke of Brittany

Blanche of Castile
Queen of France

Henry III
King of England
r. 1216–1272

Richard of Cornwall
King of the Romans

Joan
Queen of Scotland

Alexander II
King of Scotland

And you fail to see that I am improving the article, when clearly

Wikitree is not a reliable source. See Wikipedia:Reliable sources#User-generated content. Celia Homeford (talk) 12:44, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia is user generated content. Pipera (talk) 06:01, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And what has that got to do with anything? Wikipedia can't be used as a source for its own content. That would be ridiculous. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:57, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Ealdgyth (talk) 20:48, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This appears in other Wikipedia articles. Pipera (talk) 22:53, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for abuse of editing privileges.

If you believe that there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Wikipedia's guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text to the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. Giant Snowman 22:04, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This user is currently blocked. The latest block log entry is provided below for reference:

22:04, 10 January 2025 GiantSnowman talk contribs blocked Pipera talk contribs with an expiration time of indefinite (account creation blocked) (Persistent addition of unsourced content: per ANU])

I have responded to the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents

Why was I blocked.

You have been blocked because of your long history of disruption, of adding unsourced content to material, due to your lack of competence in editing (case in your point your post above), your inability to communicate clearly (case in point your response at ANI). You are not a useful or constructive editor and the community's patience with you has worn out. Giant Snowman 22:18, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Pipera (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

Your reason here Pipera (talk) 22:21, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

Procedural decline: not a valid unblock request The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:57, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I have at all times edited right here, and have always added correct content. Ask them to respond to what they have said what I have done incorrectly which I do not believe I have done so.

You have not even formatted your unblock request properly, and you have (again) not signed your talk page posts. WP:CIR. Giant Snowman 22:24, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Request reason:

Your reason here Pipera (talk) 22:41, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

Procedural decline: not a valid unblock request The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:57, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Pipera (talk)

William Martin, 1st Baron Martin someone has rolled me back when I fixed up my issues.

Henry I of England all I have done is used historic data circa 2006 - 7 check the history where they have simply stated what I tried to place back.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Henry_I_of_England&diff=prev&oldid=47071678

Talk:Sibyl of Falaise they failed to respond to what I have said.

Proceedings by Somersetshire Archaeological and Natural History Society Publication date 1919 https://archive.org/details/proceedings65some/page/8/mode/1up?q=Sibyl+

Eyton, in his Domesday Studies, styles this " an old legend (we can call it no more) of the Welsh Marches We cannot imagine how Henry I. could have such a niece as this Sibil ; nor can we say how Sibil de Falaise was related to William de Falaise, or why she or her descendants should have succeeded to any of his estates."

To me that is the reason why the article is incorrect and needs to be corrected as stated. Regards.

The user still fails to sign talk page edits, even after blocking (and being warned by a who's who of wikipedians). BusterD (talk) 22:55, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pipera (talk) I have done so above. Pipera (talk) go to the articles concerned, tell me if I am wrong here regarding the children of Henry I of England and how I have been treated there in regard to his children and Illegitimate children entry.

Respond to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sibyl_of_Falaise I know I am correct she is not his daughter.

Pipera (talk) my academic credibility has been questioned here and under no circumstances will that be accepted by people I do not know. That is not on at all. I have provided academic resources to each article, and they have been rolled back.

Pipera (talk)

55 Family and children 55.1 Legitimate children 55.2 Second marriage 55.3 Illegitimate children 55.4 With Edith 55.5 With Ansfride 55.6 With Sybil Corbet 55.7 With Edith FitzForne 55.8 With Princess Nesta 55.9 With Isabel de Beaumont 55.10 Unknown Woman 55.11 G. E. Cokayne, in his Complete Peerage

If anyone can say that is wrong let me know.

Pipera (talk) The Henry Project: The Ancestors of King Henry II of England

https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/henry001.htm

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Normandie-45#Illegitimate_Children

Unknown Mistresses of King Henry I of England ID/Link/URL

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Unknown_Mistresses_of_King_Henry_I_of_England

That is what I was trying to do here and I got rolled back.

I am on the same page as they are and I get blocked.

Pipera (talk)

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Geoffrey_Ridel_%28royal_justice%29&oldid=prev&diff=1268670616 this is now being reverted and my block is under review.

Pipera (talk)

22:04, 10 January 2025 GiantSnowman talk contribs blocked Pipera talk contribs with an expiration time of indefinite (account creation blocked) (Persistent addition of unsourced content: per ANU])

That is untrue, everything I have placed here at Wikipedia has been sourced and referenced. I have had my reference materials rolled back; I have had issues by where they have not sought a talk page entry prior to the roll back. The rule here is the go-to a talk page and discuss it there. I have replied to them in the post where I have been blocked and now the talk item is closed, I was not afforded a suitable time to respond there. The person posted what they said there they could have taken it here they never did.

This is what happens:

a) I post with references, and add to the article. b) gets rolled back via a personal opinion, c) this could have been avoided by taking it to the talk page. d) the people talking about me at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#c-The_Bushranger-20250110235500-Problems_with_Pipera a majority have never visited this talk page and spoke to me once.

No Discussion

William Martin, 1st Baron Martin

This article was not touched sine 2023, when the article was created, I came into the article from a viewpoint of making the article better. I received a message on my talk page about the article and responded with an answer.

This Martin line became extinct in 1326, the only descendants of his were though his daughter Joan of which I am a descendant, so I came here to make improvements to the site.

This article is rated Stub-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: Biography: Peerage and Baronetage England Low‑importance I am trying to improve this article

How can this article improve? Pipera (talk) 16:37, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Pipera, that's why I am trying to assist you. By learning how Wikipedia articles are to be written and formatted the article might now be ready for a review of the stub rating. Regards Newm30 (talk) 01:45, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pipera (talk)I cannot do anything because I have been blocked. The article was and will continue to be a stub I was trying to get this removed however my intentions have been misinterpreted as a wrong and reported for doing so. I was told I did not reference my work here which is untrue.

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Pipera (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

Your reason here Pipera (talk) 02:06, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

Procedural decline; not a valid unblock request The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:58, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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My record here

I have been posting her since 2001 back then without my now username. I have referenced my work here and never would I mislead anyone in regard to my academic writing. I have referenced where stated. I was inexperienced in how to reference properly which I have done so. No on teaches anyone how to do work here it is all self-taught, at no time has anyone assisted me in doing anything here. I have only added content where required, a majority of the time have fixed up pages here that were repaired by myself. The block today was unwarranted I responded to what they had to say in text. How could you not respond and defend yourself about comments said in the administrator's page. I was responding and they never to bother answer back so why post there and not ask for a response.

Talk page access revoked

The above walls of nearly indecipehrable text make it clear that not only do you not understand why you were blocked, you also fundamentally don't understand Wikipedia. Due to this, as demonstrated by the multiple unformed unblock requests and continual walls of nearly indecipherable text, your ability to edit your talk page has been revoked. I would suggest stepping back, taking a breath, and then re-reading the various policies and guidelines before attempting to edit on another Wikipedia, building a good reputation there, and then you can request unblocking through the Unblock Ticket Request System. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 03:03, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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^ Florentii Wigorniensis monachi Chronicon ex chronicis, ab adventu Hengesti et Horsi in Britanniam usque ad annum MCXVII, cui accesserunt continuationes duae quarum una ad annum MCXLI, altera, nunc primum typis vulgata ad annum MCCXCV perducta by Florence, of Worcester, d. 1118; Thorpe, Benjamin, 1782-1870 Publication date 1848 page 47
^ Lives of the queens of England, from the Norman conquest. by Strickland, Agnes, 1796-1874 Publication date 1903 - https://archive.org/details/livesqueensengl16strigoog/page/n125/mode/1up?q=Henry+
^ ^a ^b Thompson 2003, p. 147
^ Thompson 2003, p. 148
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g ^h Thompson 2003, p. 149
^ Thompson 2003, p. 146
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e Thompson 2003, p. 150
^ Thompson 2003, pp. 148–149
^ Great tales from English history : a treasury of true stories - the extraordinary people who made Britain great by Lacey, Robert Publication date 2007 https://archive.org/details/greattalesfromen0000lace_m0m5/page/78/mode/1up?q=Matilda+du+Perche
^ The complete peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, Vol. 11
^ Thompson 2003, pp. 147–148; Green 2009, p. 322
^ ^a ^b ^c Thompson 2003, p. 146; Green 2009, p. 322
^ Thompson 2003, pp. 143, 146
^ Thompson 2003, pp. 143–146
^ The Henry Project: The Ancestors of King Henry II of England https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/henry001.htm
^ https://archive.org/details/britainsroyalfam0000weir/page/48/mode/2up
^ https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/henry001.htm
^ Some corrections and additions to the Complete Peerage: Volume 11: Henry I's Illegitimate Children (PROPOSED CORRECTIONS) https://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/cp/p_henryisillegitimate.shtml https://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/cp/henryisillegitimate.shtml
^ 17 November 2008 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Henry_I_of_England&diff=prev&oldid=299587001#Illegitimate_children
^ Turner, Ralph V.; Heiser, Richard R. (2000). The Reign of Richard Lionheart, Ruler of the Angevin empire, 1189–1199. Harlow: Longman. pp. 256–257. ISBN 978-0-5822-5659-0.; Seel, Graham E. (2012). King John: An Underrated King. London: Anthem Press. Figure 1. ISBN 978-0-8572-8518-8.

[1] Thompson 2003, p. 130; White 1949, pp. 105–121

[3] Thompson 2003, pp. 141–143

[Thompson2003P147-4] Thompson 2003, p. 147

[Thompson2003Green2009P322-5] Thompson 2003, p. 146; Green 2009, p. 322

[6] Thompson 2003, pp. 143, 146

[7] Thompson 2003, pp. 147–148; Green 2009, p. 322

[Thompson2003P146-8] Thompson 2003, p. 146

[9] Thompson 2003, pp. 143–146

[Thompson2003P149-10] Thompson 2003, p. 149

[13] Thompson 2003, pp. 148–149

[14] Thompson 2003, p. 148

[15] Florentii Wigorniensis monachi Chronicon ex chronicis, ab adventu Hengesti et Horsi in Britanniam usque ad annum MCXVII, cui accesserunt continuationes duae quarum una ad annum MCXLI, altera, nunc primum typis vulgata ad annum MCCXCV perducta by Florence, of Worcester, d. 1118; Thorpe, Benjamin, 1782-1870 Publication date 1848 page 47

[16] Lives of the queens of England, from the Norman conquest. by Strickland, Agnes, 1796-1874 Publication date 1903 - https://archive.org/details/livesqueensengl16strigoog/page/n125/mode/1up?q=Henry+

[Thompson2003P147-17] Thompson 2003, p. 147

[18] Thompson 2003, p. 148

[Thompson2003P149-19] ^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g ^h Thompson 2003, p. 149

[Thompson2003P146-20] Thompson 2003, p. 146

[Thompson2003P150-21] Thompson 2003, p. 150

[22] Thompson 2003, pp. 148–149

[25] Great tales from English history : a treasury of true stories - the extraordinary people who made Britain great by Lacey, Robert Publication date 2007 https://archive.org/details/greattalesfromen0000lace_m0m5/page/78/mode/1up?q=Matilda+du+Perche

[26] The complete peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, Vol. 11

[27] Thompson 2003, pp. 147–148; Green 2009, p. 322

[Thompson2003Green2009P322-28] Thompson 2003, p. 146; Green 2009, p. 322

[29] Thompson 2003, pp. 143, 146

[31] Thompson 2003, pp. 143–146

[32] The Henry Project: The Ancestors of King Henry II of England https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/henry001.htm

[33] ttps://archive.org/details/britainsroyalfam0000weir/page/48/mode/2up

[34] ttps://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/henry001.htm

[35] Some corrections and additions to the Complete Peerage: Volume 11: Henry I's Illegitimate Children (PROPOSED CORRECTIONS) https://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/cp/p_henryisillegitimate.shtml https://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/cp/henryisillegitimate.shtml

[36] 17 November 2008 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Henry_I_of_England&diff=prev&oldid=299587001#Illegitimate_children

[37] Turner, Ralph V.; Heiser, Richard R. (2000). The Reign of Richard Lionheart, Ruler of the Angevin empire, 1189–1199. Harlow: Longman. pp. 256–257. ISBN 978-0-5822-5659-0.; Seel, Graham E. (2012). King John: An Underrated King. London: Anthem Press. Figure 1. ISBN 978-0-8572-8518-8.

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