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- Hi! No I don't. Orange sticker (talk) 14:45, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
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Hwang Ye-ji moved to draftspace
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Attempted de-orphan articles
[edit]Greetings,
When adding the "att=" to orphan articles, please do not remove the original Month/Year, like here. Just ADD the |att= to the existing. For example {{orphan|date=October 2022|att=December 2023}} <-like this. JoeNMLC (talk) 13:39, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
- For the Edit summary, please add
Attempted to de-orphan. Wikiproject Orphanage: [[Wikipedia:ORPHAN|You can help!]]Thanks for helping improve Wikipedia articles. JoeNMLC (talk) 16:24, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
Done - fyi, at Category:Attempted de-orphan from December 2023, I fixed those articles by adding back the original orphan date back into the orphan tag. Regards, JoeNMLC (talk) 16:28, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
- thanks for doing that! Orange sticker (talk) 20:59, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
- ➡️ Looking at Category:Attempted de-orphan you will see a small number of articles with that att= tag. When the tag is added, those articles drop off the regular Category list and are much less visible to most editors — making it more difficult for them to be improved. Pardon the expression (not meaning to be negative), attempted articles are sortof like the "garbage dump". Not many editors know of or work on these articles. Just wanted to let you know. Cheers, JoeNMLC (talk) 00:30, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- Ok so if I can't find links it's best to just not touch the page at all? I thought the att tag would save other editors the time of checking in the same month. Thanks for your help! Orange sticker (talk) 00:46, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- With over 100 months of backlog, (other than the two newest months) chances are slim of multiple people re-checking the same articles. Extra sets of eyes on an article can be a good thing in that many different editors can contribute out of their variety of knowledge and expertise. JoeNMLC (talk) 01:51, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- Ok so if I can't find links it's best to just not touch the page at all? I thought the att tag would save other editors the time of checking in the same month. Thanks for your help! Orange sticker (talk) 00:46, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- ➡️ Looking at Category:Attempted de-orphan you will see a small number of articles with that att= tag. When the tag is added, those articles drop off the regular Category list and are much less visible to most editors — making it more difficult for them to be improved. Pardon the expression (not meaning to be negative), attempted articles are sortof like the "garbage dump". Not many editors know of or work on these articles. Just wanted to let you know. Cheers, JoeNMLC (talk) 00:30, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- thanks for doing that! Orange sticker (talk) 20:59, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
Removing uncategorized tag
[edit]Hi, Please only remove the uncategorized tag if the article has content categories added. Stub tags and "X needing attention"[1] do not qualify. LadyofShalott 14:26, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
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Orphan articles with incoming links
[edit]Hi Orange_sticker, Check out a bot-generated report at Wikipedia:Database reports/Orphans with incoming links. Almost all of the reports can have the orphan tag removed. Strangely it says the bot runs Daily, however it only updates on month-days like 4, 8, 12, 16, 20, etc. If the report sits too long with no orphan tag removal, yet another bot goes through & deletes the orphan tags. There are a few editors who also know of the report & sometimes when I check, the removal already done. Happy editing! Cheers, JoeNMLC (talk) 01:24, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
Titles in medieval Wales moved to draftspace
[edit]Thanks for your contributions to Titles in medieval Wales. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability and on reading your comments, and with my apologies, I should have started this page as a draft from the start . I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.
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Petz recovery map moved to draftspace
[edit]Thanks for your contributions to Petz recovery map. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability and there appear to be more references on this topic, I suggest including them and expanding by a paragraph or two so it is more useful to novices. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.
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- Ok, I understand. I was careful not to explicitly identify the editor but I can see how someone could use jigsaw identification and come to the correct conclusion. Can I ask what the best approach is when you know someone has WP:COI or isn't adhering to WP:NPOV as I couldn't think of a way of raising it on WP:AN without explicitly pointing to the evidence and revealing the editor's identity? Orange sticker (talk) 07:35, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- There's a whole section in that COI guideline to which you linked about this – WP:COICOIN. I suggest letting it drop, since the other editor has decided to leave Wikipedia. Katietalk 12:05, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]Hello, Orange sticker. Thank you for your work on Charlotte Julian. SunDawn, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:
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- @SunDawn: thank you! have a great day too! Orange sticker (talk) 08:55, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]Hi there, Orange sticker, and welcome to Women in Red. Thank you for translating several biographies of women from the French wiki over the past few days. I hope there will be many more. Even if the French version does not include pertinent inline citations, you should try to include them in accordance with our Ten Simple Rules. (In some cases, sources already cited can be re-used as necessary.) If you would like others to see your interest in the project, you can sign up under "New registrations" on Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/New members. Please let me know if you run into any difficulties or need assistance. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 12:31, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Thanks - doing my best to look up citations! Orange sticker (talk) 13:43, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]Since you are relatively new here, check out Operation Orangemoody for example. This is just one of many examples, but it is probably the most infamous one. Polygnotus (talk) 14:34, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah but we're talking about some of the most famous brands on earth here, I don't know why Givenchy would be so eager to have citations added about their new CEO that they'd risk the reputational damage, or not just get some intern to do it if it mattered so much. Orange sticker (talk) Orange sticker (talk) 14:38, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Big brands rarely do all of their marketing inhouse. Big brands outsource part of it to marketing companies. Also, commenting on ANI on topics in which you are not involved is usually a bad idea unless you have spent a lot of time researching and have an unique insight that others might miss. Polygnotus (talk) 14:42, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- All the paid editing and COI I've come across so far has been small companies or individuals trying to gain notability - like this one. I think if you've uncovered large scale paid editing from global blue chip household names, then that would be quite a big news story. I also think if they were going to go to that trouble, it would be a bit more interesting and bit more subtle. Orange sticker (talk) 14:50, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- After over a decade in marketing it is quite easy to recognize the patterns. Subcontractors of brands you know do a lot of shady stuff to market products; see data broker and Dark pattern for example. Of course this isn't at the same scale, which is why it apparently flew under the radar, but it still causes damage. Polygnotus (talk) 14:53, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah I still don't think that there's any evidence that this is what's occurring here and you should really consider if a company like Dior or Prada that can get their PR stories into publications like Vogue and Harper's Bazaar would really need to make sure every banal detail is also on Wikipedia, at massive risk to their reputations. Also, this exchange should really be taking place on the ANI. Orange sticker (talk) 15:03, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Why do you think there is a massive risk to their reputation? We all know brands do terrible things. They can easily blame subcontractors. Nike, Inc. (look at that controversies section!)for example has done a lot of bad stuff but despite or because of it it is still worth a lot of money. The subcontractors hired by big brands often do not have the same ability to manipulate the media. Polygnotus (talk) 15:05, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah I still don't think that there's any evidence that this is what's occurring here and you should really consider if a company like Dior or Prada that can get their PR stories into publications like Vogue and Harper's Bazaar would really need to make sure every banal detail is also on Wikipedia, at massive risk to their reputations. Also, this exchange should really be taking place on the ANI. Orange sticker (talk) 15:03, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- After over a decade in marketing it is quite easy to recognize the patterns. Subcontractors of brands you know do a lot of shady stuff to market products; see data broker and Dark pattern for example. Of course this isn't at the same scale, which is why it apparently flew under the radar, but it still causes damage. Polygnotus (talk) 14:53, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- All the paid editing and COI I've come across so far has been small companies or individuals trying to gain notability - like this one. I think if you've uncovered large scale paid editing from global blue chip household names, then that would be quite a big news story. I also think if they were going to go to that trouble, it would be a bit more interesting and bit more subtle. Orange sticker (talk) 14:50, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Big brands rarely do all of their marketing inhouse. Big brands outsource part of it to marketing companies. Also, commenting on ANI on topics in which you are not involved is usually a bad idea unless you have spent a lot of time researching and have an unique insight that others might miss. Polygnotus (talk) 14:42, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
move of discussion
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I think to prove my point I'd have to ask you why you think the editor on the Simon Jupp page had COI and was not just biased? You could make favourable edits to any number of topics you are supportive of - filling celebrity bios with every good deed they've ever done, making your favourite city seem more important than its rival neighbours or like in this case, removing embarrassing details from a politician's article. That would be wrong. But it's not COI unless you can show to some level of certainty that the editor is the subject of the article themselves or has a relationship to them. If not, it's likely just biased editing, which is a common problem. And when you claim COI (or UPE, which is just professional COI) you're not just accusing (rightfully or wrongly) the editor but the subject of the article, implying they or their associates are manipulating Wikipedia against its policies and for their own benefit. The outcome that the admins have chosen for [redacted] is, like I've said, imo harsh but that's not a hill I'm going to die on. I'm more concerned about people rushing to claim UPE or COI when there's no evidence as it could bring the whole project into disrepute when dealing with such famous, high profile companies. Look through WP:COIN or search WP:AFD for cases of COI and UPE - you'll struggle to find a single topic you've ever heard of before so if this is "as clear a case of WP:UPE as I have ever seen" as Allan_Nonymous said, and others have agreed calling it WP:DUCK, I would urge them to spend a bit more time making themselves familiar with the topic first and remember that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
So, a lot to unpack here.
- I think the editor on Simon Jupp had a COI, likely was a UPE, because of the behavior I described. It's classic UPE behavior. It is not classic inexperienced newbie behavior.
- Bias can be COI. A fan of a musician may have strong enough feelings that they rise to the level of a COI. It is incorrect to say it can't be a COI unless the editor is the article subject or has a close connection.
- Questioning someone about a COI isn't an accusation of the article subject. See above. Questioning about UPE can certainly be, but that doesn't mean we can't ask those questions. I try to ask them carefully.
- I'd have p-blocked from article space, but all the editor in question needs to do is file an unblock that indicates they understand that what they were doing looked like paid editing, explain that it wasn't (or that it was but they'll now declar their UPE and will no longer edit directly), and promise to stop directly editing articles of wealthy brands. I don't think that's harsh, really.
- Not sure what you mean about not finding a single topic you've ever heard of before at COIN. We see COI pretty often. At AfD, sure -- there are tons of obscure bios there.
- COI isn't unusual at bio and business topics. Especially bios of minor entertainment figures, but also at small businesses and huge wealthy brands. Happens all the time, so it's kind of not extraordinary. I regularly interact with paid editors who are doing it right: by making edit requests at the article talk. Just responded to one this morning. Valereee (talk) 12:15, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- The Simon Jupp editor was asked to declare COI, but frankly the way they were asked I'm not surprised they were defensive! I think a lot of what you're saying here doesn't link up with Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest#What_is_conflict_of_interest? it really does specify that the editor has to have an external relationship to the subject. Which may well turn out to be the case, but I think the chance to prove anything may now have been lost, and it is better to err on the side of caution (lots of great examples of here though! As I've said, these things do often end up attracting media attention).
- I've been looking for examples of UPE that involved high profile, established businesses, the type of who afford the very best level of PR, and struggled to find anything beside the well publicised cases of it backfiring that I already linked - [2][3]. I'm interested if you can show me more recent examples. But like you say, it seems most companies with a professional standard of PR know how to go about this and do it right. Orange sticker (talk) 12:48, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- By the way, closing that ANI thread may be the best idea now because having two people repeatedly tell me I'm wrong and that I need to go away is going to have the opposite effect!!! Orange sticker (talk) 13:01, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
Reach PLC
[edit]Do we have a list of domain names of Reach PLC? If so, we can make an overview how often each is used. I agree that many or most of these titles have limited reliability (depending on the context). Polygnotus (talk) 13:05, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- No, but I'm sure it wouldn't be too much work to collate them. I'm still debating whether or not to proceed, I've been encouraged to reinstate my post on RSN but funnily enough, the recent discussion on ANI has made me think about whether or not I have a COI with regard to Reach plc! Though whether or not that matters in this context I'm not sure. Orange sticker (talk) 08:11, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
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Fascinating article and great research, thank you. No Swan So Fine (talk) 19:23, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, glad you liked it! Orange sticker (talk) 21:55, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
2024 Southport stabbing
[edit]2024 Southport stabbing I fail to see what the issue with citing a source as video of Nigel Farage?! He is an elected member of Parliament and a British broadcaster so can you explain why you thought this as one of the legitimate reasons to remove this?Tad102 (talk) 17:23, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- A self published YouTube video doesn't meet WP:NPOV and the information already appears in the same section, with a citation to an independent, third party, reliable source WP:RS. Orange sticker (talk) 17:26, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- 'A self published YouTube video doesn't count'? This is not a YouTube video of Dave Bloggs in his mother's spare bedroom this is a YouTube video of a member of parliament and well-known broadcaster who was stating fact not speculation and you say it doesn't count... I think either you need to go back to school or this policy needs a definitive revision Tad102 (talk) 23:40, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
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