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Archive 81:August 2021

Hello onel5969 Sir, Please review the Pranav Vatsa's article, your review will encourage me to create more article. Thanks and regards. Sams321 (talk) 21:00, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks:) onel5969 Sir for reviewed but why did not showing on google search page even it's reviewed? Sams321 (talk)
That I don't know. Don't know Google's parameters. Onel5969 TT me 02:23, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Phoenix, Arizona Reassessment

Phoenix, Arizona, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. --Whiteguru (talk) 10:39, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Allie X split

Thanks for pointing out the attribution issue with this split. Though in the future, it might be simpler (for everyone involved) to just repair the missing attribution yourself by adding a dummy edit, rather than undoing the whole split. Colin M (talk) 21:10, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Colin M, hi. And I agree wholeheartedly, and if I agree with the split, or it meets WP:SPLIT, then I would normally do that. However, I don't agree with the split, so felt it was better for the actual split with attribution come from you. Also, you're an experienced editor, so I felt the need to point it out to you. Onel5969 TT me 21:14, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
Okay, though if we're being pedantic, the only edit in which I copy-pasted any material from one article to another was this one, which did link back to the source article in the edit summary. The majority of the copying was done by Gagaluv1 in their original split in April, so it might make more sense to take it up with them. Colin M (talk) 21:17, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
Colin M, actually, if you really want to be pedantic, and obnoxious, the edit I reverted was yours. So you were responsible for the current unattributed split. Now please stop. You're a good editor, and this is silly. Onel5969 TT me 01:52, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
No way I'm letting you have the last word on this — I say the bikeshed should be fuchsia! Colin M (talk) 02:20, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
Colin M, so you're the bicycle shed, and I'm nuclear safety. Got it. . Onel5969 TT me 02:27, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The New Page Patroller's Barnstar
Thanks for reviewing all the articles and redirects I created that hadn't already been reviewed at once! Link20XX (talk) 03:19, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Lisa DeAngelis

How is someone who is a member of the National Academy of Medicine possibly failing our notability requirements? HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 13:45, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Please use articles for deletion when creating redirects

I noticed that plenty of times, you have turned pages into redirects with no discussion, not even an AfD. Wouldn't it be better to notify people who frequently edit those pages to find sources for those pages instead of turning them into redirects without discussion? I feel like what you're doing falls under disruptive editing. I'd be fine if you put a tag saying those pages need sources, and if they aren't added in a while then start an AfD, and then delete them, instead of going straight to step 3. Unnamed anon (talk) 20:41, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Unnamed anon, redirecting is not deleting. Not every article needs to go to AfD. Most redirects I create are on articles which have either been tagged for improvement for months, or are an article which had been redirected in the past, and was recreated without appropriate sourcing. There is no reason to clog up a lot of editors' time over AfD on such articles. In the 4 examples you give above, the articles had been tagged without improvement for over a year, 7 weeks, was completely uncited (which falls under WP:BURDEN, and the fourth one was of a reality show contestant, where AfD's virtually always result in redirecting to the show, when that is their only claim to fame. Onel5969 TT me 20:52, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Attribution

Hello @Onel5969, why did you merged the Fastboot article because it "lacks attribution"? I've added quite a lot of sources, it meets WP:GNG now. PhotographyEdits (talk) 13:57, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

PhotographyEdits, did you see my edit summary? And my subsequent edit? Onel5969 TT me 13:59, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
Ah, I see it now, it makes sense! Thanks, will do it that way next time when I split some article. PhotographyEdits (talk) 14:00, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
PhotographyEdits, hi. No worries. I do it that way so the other editor can see what needs to be in the edit summary when they do a split. There was nothing wrong with your split (although it might not meet the requirements as per WP:SPLIT), it simply needed attribution. Onel5969 TT me 14:03, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for participating in my recent RFA

I appreciate your support and trust in my recent run for admin. I've had an interesting first few weeks and am learning a lot by being able to better watch (through tools) what admins do. Please call on me if you see making an error, or if you just need help. Thanks again. BusterD (talk) 18:03, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

BusterD, you're welcome. I'm sure you'll do great. Onel5969 TT me 20:52, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Draft

Hi Onel, Could you move Draft:Nu-Venture back to User:Davey2010/Nu-Venture and delete the draft redirect please?, The article in question was deleted at AFD and I asked for it to be moved to my userpage however up until now I was unaware someone had moved it and had fiddled around with everything, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 21:52, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Davey2010, okay, I think I did it correctly. Let me know. Onel5969 TT me 22:50, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi Onel, Many thanks for moving - Could you move it to User:Davey2010/Nu-Venture please as that's where it was before it was moved, I did say at the AFD I'd go through draft first however at present no better sources are available and it being at draft just invites peoples to mess around with it, Many thanks, Kind Regards, –Davey2010Talk 11:48, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
Davey2010, Okay, finally figured out what I was doing wrong. It's there now. My apologies. Onel5969 TT me 12:18, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
No worries, I've made that mistake plenty of times :), Thanks for your help it's very much appreciated :), Take care and stay safe, Kind Regards, –Davey2010Talk 12:36, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Roland Habersetzer notability

Hi, I'm the guy who mainly worked on the Roland Habersetzer article. I would like to have a explanation for the "lack of notability". It's quite a claim to say that a notable mover of Karate in France and a writer that has been awarded the Marie-Thérèse Eyquem Prize by French government for his works lacks significance. And I know there is lack of citations - namely because I'm not French and the French language entry is suffering from serious case of link rot. Is it because Habersetzer is most relevant in continental Europe or what? TrickShotFinn (talk) 14:42, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

TrickShotFinn, no, it's because there is not nearly enough in-depth coverage from independent, reliable sources to show they meet WP:GNG. Being successful, accomplished and well-known is not the same as pass GNG. Onel5969 TT me 14:46, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
Well then, this problem needs to be addressed. Thanks for your time.TrickShotFinn (talk) 14:55, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Tornado Twins

DONT put the Tornado Twins in with Legion, put em with Flash characters. JosephWC (talk) 16:40, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Sunny Hinduja

Hello. I want to edit the page on actor Sunny Hinduja, which currently redirects to Mardaani 2. The page was deleted in 2019 due to lack of notability. However, since then, the actor has appeared in major shows and have seen significant media coverage. I would like to know if there is any issue? Karan1311 (talk)

Olympiacos B deletion

Hello, this page is notable and very useful. This is the first season B teams in Greece have been permitted and it is constantly in the Greek press the exact same way PAOK B, AEK Athens B F.C., Panathinaikos B etc are. Most big teams in Europe have B team pages also: S.L. Benfica B, Villarreal CF B etc etc. I have reinstated the page as many new players are joining the squad from across europe. Reaper7 (talk) 20:25, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Reaper7, That's all very nice and lovely. Also completely irrelevant. You need to provide in-depth sourcing from independent sites to show that the teams passes WP:GNG. Onel5969 TT me 21:08, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
That is simply untrue, there are independent sources explaining the team on the page - all independent as with every other Super League 2 team on Wikipedia. I think you have made a clear mistake here. All Super League 2 teams are relevant and well sourced. Reaper7 (talk) 21:14, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
Reaper7, A single source isn't lovely, It's lazy when it doesn't show how the subject passes notability. This single source simply shows the team's existence, not notability. No, it is not I who have made the mistake. Onel5969 TT me 21:17, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
This page is in development as it should be - the term lazy displays an emotional response that is never a positive sign. I have added another 3 independent sources on top of the single independent source that was there, including a source from A Bola - the biggest Portuguese sports news site. I am afraid you are on a losing wicket here.. however it could turn into a useful learning experience I think - from reading through you talk topics, it seems rare your original deletion is challenged properly. Reaper7 (talk) 21:22, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
Reaper7, no, you simply don't care to understand. And on top of that, outright lying. The page was not "in development". You created it over a month and half ago. At which point it was tagged, letting you know it needed improvement in its sourcing. You chose to ignore that. So stop with the BS. Even now you do the lazy thing and simply add raw links, rather than properly formatting the references, creating yet more work for other editors. Onel5969 TT me 00:48, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

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Adrenaline page

hello sir the refs should be fine as I did not enter any information I did not get from a referenced source, I have 28 references on there and have already tried a great degree to edit it to what people have asked me to like taking out the phrase "would go on to win the TKO championship" and making it "he won the TKO championship" I also removed the accolades of all the fighters, I had all there title fights and stuff like that listed at the bottom. I have stated in there has a reference as I said are 28 references the earlier parts about the life of the gym's precursor can all basically be found in the single reference as it is a massive article about the man's life. However when it comes to the guidelines I will admit I seem to struggle could I ask you to maybe edit apart for me to what you would be considering acceptable cuz I don't feel that I am advertising I have just stated facts I have given information on the Gym's history and what they have done in the sport, have to show that it is notable. And I understand the part where I was talking about the new training facility but that is in the reference. (Someone else asked me to edit it too but they did not even mention that part). Anyway I am fairly confused as different editors seem to have different standards. Any Assistance you can offer me would be appreciated Tsims23 (talk) 18:32, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Tsims23, I have no idea what you are talking about. Onel5969 TT me 22:11, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

You put my page into drafts and said that I was writing it like an ad but I have already made corrections to it.Tsims23 (talk) 03:59, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Tsims23, still don't know what you're talking about. What page? Please provide a link. Onel5969 TT me 12:06, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello sir sorry about the late reply work has been super busy I tagged you on my talk page and I will send you the link https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Adrenaline_MMA_Training_%26_Fitness As I mentioned above the refs should be fine as I did not enter any information I did not get from a referenced source, I have 28 references on there and have already tried a great degree to edit it to what people have asked me to like taking out the phrase "would go on to win the TKO championship" and making it "he won the TKO championship" I also removed the accolades of all the fighters, I had all there title fights and stuff like that listed at the bottom. I have stated in there has a reference as I said are 28 references the earlier parts about the life of the gym's precursor can all basically be found in the single reference as it is a massive article about the man's life. However when it comes to the guidelines I will admit I seem to struggle could I ask you to maybe edit apart for me to what you would be considering acceptable cuz I don't feel that I am advertising I have just stated facts I have given information on the Gym's history and what they have done in the sport, have to show that it is notable. And I understand the part where I was talking about the new training facility but that is in the reference. (Someone else asked me to edit it too but they did not even mention that part). Anyway I am fairly confused as different editors seem to have different standards. Any Assistance you can offer me would be appreciated. Please also view the discussion on my talk pageTsims23 (talk) 03:59, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

A-ha - Greatest Hits - Japanese Single Collection

Why was the article deleted ? Mortyman (talk) 23:00, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Mortyman, as I said in the edit summary, it does not meet WP:NALBUM. Onel5969 TT me 00:22, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of my sandbox article "Latest Article"

This was not a draft of any proposed article. I was only learning some features of wikipedia in my sandbox. So deletion is not a problem, but i think it is not warranted as it is in my sand box. BTW i dont see the button for contesting the speedy deletion on the page concerned. LoveAll (talk). 04:46, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Loveallwiki, hi. The issue was that it wasn't in your sandbox. You moved it into mainspace. I think it's already been deleted, but that doesn't mean you don't have a sandbox. Simply click on the sandbox link, and it will be recreated. Onel5969 TT me 12:43, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
(talk page watcher)Loveallwiki Onel is correct - you moved it to the address Loveallwiki/sandbox/Latest Article 1. Since you didn't put 'User:' in the front of it (User:Loveallwiki/sandbox/Latest Article 1), it was no longer in your sandbox - it was in article space, and appeared in the New Articles feed for reviewers to check. Please be more careful when you are testing functionality. Thank you. Girth Summit (blether) 12:48, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Oh thank you both LoveAll (talk). 04:56, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your reviewing the article Draft:Youn Chul-Ho. I added to several things to improve that article. 칼빈500 (talk) 15:59, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

칼빈500, thanks for the ping. An AfC reviewer will take a look at it. Onel5969 TT me 10:40, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

당신을 위한 반스타!

편집자 반스타
Thank you for your working to all things. 칼빈500 (talk) 03:22, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
Thank you. Onel5969 TT me 10:40, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Hallmark mysteries

Hi there - thank you for reviewing the two Hallmark articles I recently created (Crossword Mysteries and Ruby Herring Mysteries). I'm surprised they're not considered to be encyclopaedic material however I understand the reasons that you and other editors have given, and I've marked them for speedy deletion. For consistency, should these articles be reviewed under the same criteria?

pgbrown (talk) 10:23, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Pgbrown, in a word, yes. To show notability, you need in-depth coverage from independent sources. Several of the articles you created, I did mark "reviewed", because they did just that, as well as having some primary and unreliable sources. But when only primary/unreliable sourcing is provided, they simply don't meet WP:GNG. Onel5969 TT me 10:43, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar
Hi Onel5969 - thank you for reviewing Nishant S Mehta Article.
Kimran999 (talk) 13:17, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Dispute heads of state of Egypt

From what i understand you disagree with the existence the article List of heads of state of Egypt is it possible to discuss it in the talk page of the article if you disagree with my explanation of why is oppose the redirection of this article

That's what I asked you to do before you continued edit-warring. Several editors have disagreed with you, and as per WP:BURDEN you should gain consensus before restoring. Onel5969 TT me 13:52, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

please reinstate Sara Andrews Spencer's page

I'm new here, and worked hard on a page about Sara Andrews Spencer. You marked it for speedy deletion as a copyright infringement. It is not - it is my own work, heavily cited to more than a dozen different sources. If its introduction borrows too heavily from an encyclopedia source about her I can rewrite. Can you please undelete the page so I can do so? Thank you. DailySuffragist (talk) 14:40, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

DailySuffragist, hi. First, it hasn't been deleted yet. Second, huge amounts have been copypasted from the source, entire paragaphs in some cases. If you would like, I can move it back into draft so you can work on it. Onel5969 TT me 15:05, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
Please do not move it into draft that's not acceptable for copyright violations. I've opened discussion at the tea house to ascertain why the author thinks it's not a copyright violation. (sorry a lot of x-posting)--S Philbrick(Talk) 15:12, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
Sphilbrick, yeah, you're right. I know that. Don't know what I was thinking. When I do move something with a copyvio, I remove the copyvio and do a revdel, which wouldn't work in this case. Onel5969 TT me 19:33, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
Dang, just like that, it's been deleted again. You can contact either of the deleting admins, and ask them for help.Onel5969 TT me 15:06, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
I temporarily restored it so that I could confirm the copyright violation and then deleted it again. S Philbrick(Talk) 15:09, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
Sphilbrick, thanks, I saw that (after I wrote my first message above, of course). Onel5969 TT me 15:10, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Virtual fundamental class

Hi, Onel5969,

I'm trying to figure out why you added the "This article needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed." section to the top of Virtual fundamental class. Literally every section has valid (and referreed) citations so I'm confused as to why this is here. Kaptain-k-theory (talk) 15:27, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Kaptain-k-theory, the first sentence of both the 1st and 2nd sections, as well as section 2.1, is footnoted, the rest isn't. Onel5969 TT me 19:36, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
Onel5969 You may want to double check that assertion. I see a citation in every single section. Kaptain-k-theory (talk) 19:50, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
Kaptain-k-theory, and you may want to re-read my response. Onel5969 TT me 20:33, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Please approve my draft

Hello sir, first of all thank you for approving my article of Micromax IN 1B. Its my request to please approve my this draft Draft:Godrej Anandam as it is one of the most notable and tallest building in my city!!Badassboy 63637 (talk) 18:11, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Meredith Scardino – undisclosed payment tag

Hi Onel5969, I note your concern that Bevelgearsinc may have created the draft of the Meredith Scardino page in return for payment. I have created a discussion on the talk page and your feedback would be very helpful. Regards, Atiru (talk) 06:44, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

NPP question

Should I wait until you grade the section I finished until I move onto the next one or can I do mutiple sections at once if I have the time? Clovermoss (talk) 23:39, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Clovermoss, hi. No, sorry I haven't graded it yet, will in the morning. But you never have to wait. Once there's stuff there, you can work on it in any order you want. Onel5969 TT me 03:09, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
Okay, thanks for letting me know, I'll keep that in mind for the future. As for grading, take your time, I'm a very patient person. Clovermoss (talk) 14:06, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Sky Living

I see that you have undone my splitting of the Sky Living and Sky Witness articles and can you please tell me why you have done this.

I split the articles because the two channels are very different and the only thing close to any replacement was that Witness replaced Living on EPGs. therefore both should have separate articles and there are sufficient independent references for both to further justify the separate articles.

I had asked for comment on the Sky Witness talk page and also started a redirection discussion and there were no objections on either. Rillington (talk) 13:40, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Seconded - the separation was made by consensus and because the two topics are unrelated and should never have been in a single article to begin with, their only being linked by a coincidental factor. It is correcting a past error rather than creating unnecessary splits. Bonusballs (talk) 14:06, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
Sorry, can't read minds, especially through the computer. You never mentioned in your edit summaries on either page that this was a split based on a consensus discussion. In addition, when you did the split, you did not follow the guidelines and requirements of WP:SPLIT, which you can also find at Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. In the future, please mention the discussion in your edit summary, and when splitting, you are required to provide attribution. Feel free to revert my two edits which were based on policy, and please provide correct attribution. Onel5969 TT me 15:18, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for your reply, and I have reverted the two edits, thereby reinstating the separate Sky Living article and the revamped Sky Witness article.
Also thank you for your guidance on this in case this occurs in the future. Rillington (talk) 16:23, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
Rillington, no worries. Thanks for your efforts on the project. Take care. Onel5969 TT me 18:58, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

You've added a "more citations needed" tag on this article, although it makes use of more than 20 sources. Can you please specify which citations are needed? Branlory (talk) 15:32, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Branlory, every assertion in the article needs a source. There is quite a bit which is unsourced. Onel5969 TT me 02:04, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
Onel5969 The assertions in the article (whether or not they are accompanied by an inline citation) are backed by the sources listed in the Notes section. Therefore I believe this article meets the Verifiability standards. If you disagree please specify which assertions in the article aren't backed up by sources in the article's Notes section. Branlory (talk) 09:21, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
Branlory, then please provide footnotes. Or feel free to change the tag from the current "more references" to "more footnotes". Onel5969 TT me 13:27, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
Onel5969 Providing a footnote for every single assertion made in an article isn't required by the Verifiability standards (except for "quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged"). That's also reflected in most Featured articles. I'm therefore going to remove the "more citations needed tag". If you want to discuss this further, we can continue on the article's Talk page. Branlory (talk) 15:04, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

How is the subject not notable? Point out specifically and put it on the talk page. Heyaisa (talk) 02:00, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Heyaisa, he meets neither WP:COLLATH or WP:NBASKET, and the news articles are routine sports coverage. Onel5969 TT me 02:03, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

He meets the general notability guideline, regardless of not being able to meet the college athlete and basketball guidelines. Plus, he has a Wikipedia page in his native Japanese language. Heyaisa (talk) 02:15, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Heyaisa, not in my opinion. Nothing but routine coverage, and the fact that he has a Japanese WP article is completely irrelevant. Onel5969 TT me 02:16, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Your opinion. That's why put it on the talk page so a consensus will be reached. And which specific general notability guideline he did not meet? Please enlighten me. Heyaisa (talk) 02:24, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Heyaisa, I've explained it to you already. If you can't understand by this point, I can't help you. But that could be the reason your articles need to be reviewed. And I'm not saying he is not notable, I am saying he may not be notable. Others will review the page now. Onel5969 TT me 03:17, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Nice one. Take a look at the other chief constable articles created by the same user - InilanNahklia (talk · contribs). They're all the same low level of notability and could all do with having the same treatment. 10mmsocket (talk) 07:12, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

10mmsocket, thanks. Yeah, same issue. Thanks. Onel5969 TT me 13:39, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar
Thank you for correcting me on my page! HimuTheEditor (talk) 16:52, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
HimuTheEditor - no worries. The album may be notable, but right now it doesn't have the necessary sourcing needed to show that it passes WP:NALBUM, let alone WP:GNG. If you want me to take a look at it after you've worked on it, give me a ping. Onel5969 TT me 16:54, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Yes, If you could help complete that article, you're welcome to do so! Thank you

May I ask why you reverted my edits? The G Wikian (talk) 18:22, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Never mind, I just found the article on moving a page. That answers my question. Thanks, and have a good day.The G Wikian (talk) 22:48, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

A repost of my reply on the removal of the Fang States from my talk page, don't know if you saw this or not.

Hi Onel5969,

While I do see your removal of several of my articles having rather fair precedent, I'd have to offer my stance on this. Many of the obscure topics I do are directly translated from their Chinese and Japanese articles, both of which can be very scant in their citations (many of the Chinese articles I translate from come from Baidu which is worse cite-wise). Should this happen, I try to retrace their sources in good faith, though I'm not going to sift through dozens of pages from keywords for hours as this is ultimately a hobby. The articles you've sent back into the draftspace are ones I either have trouble finding the real sources for, or ones that need me to have access to higher academic sources which I don't have the credentials or funds for.

Additionally, while cruising on lesser viewed parts of Wikipedia for research, I similarly notice that there are quite a lot of articles lacking sources, if any, but aren't taken down by the moderators (with similar niche topics like Mongol tribes and such). It seems the only reason these are "allowed" to stay is because they're older than my articles. Objectively, it seems quite unfair.

I'd imagine this would be responded with how Wikipedia is always strict with its independent and reliable credibility stance and whatnot, and I get that. These articles will likely stay in the draftspace as my life gets busier, and I don't expect this to lead to any reversal of the article's status either. It is simply rather tiring to see articles I've made in hopes of expanding the English academia be removed though I genuinely don't see any fault with myself for the matter.

Thanks

MarsandCadmium (talk) a2306905

Hi MarsandCadmium - yes, I did not see your comments on your talk page. When you "ping" somebody, you have to use the format like I did here when I pinged you. You can't simply type the username. That being said, I understand your frustration, unfortunately English WP has certain criteria which was be met in order for articles to remain in mainspace. The first is that it must pass WP:GNG, the second is that it must pass WP:VERIFY. Articles with only a single source will be difficult to pass those two criteria. I feel that the articles you create may be notable, but they don't pass WP:VERIFY. Remember that uncited information can be removed at any time. Many articles in other wikis would not pass English WP notability criteria, and very many do not come close to passing WP:VERIFY. You might ask for help on a project's talk page in finding sourcing. Onel5969 TT me 12:34, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for keeping watch over my articles!Joan arden murray (talk) 11:00, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Joan arden murray, no worries. As usual, keep up the good work. Onel5969 TT me 22:44, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Request for editing

Hi, I was exploring in WP and I found Women in Red/Missing articles page and there is one small mistake but I don't know how to fix that, there is written Justina who is Iranian rapper, but the page added there is for something else, can you please fix that?ZEP55 (talk) 22:38, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

ZEP55, hi. Fixed. Onel5969 TT me 22:44, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Theory of imperialism undo

Hi, in undoing my cut/paste move from theory of imperialism to theories of imperialism you created a whole lot of double redirects that I'd had to change manually. A cut/paste move was necessary because "theories of imperialism" already redirected to "imperialism" which is actually a very different topic. Can you please not undo this move in future, or if you must and you can justify the decision, then please resolve double redirects.Mirkyton (talk) 02:19, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Mirkyton, sorry, no. Cut and paste moves are never acceptable. Onel5969 TT me 02:44, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
What are you meant to do in a case like this?Mirkyton (talk) 03:06, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
Mirkyton, you have to request that the page be moved. This is to preserve the attribution history, thus satisfying copyright concerns. See Wikipedia:Requested moves. Onel5969 TT me 03:08, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
Okay, will do, thank youMirkyton (talk) 03:16, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

What to do when a page lacks references

If you see that a page doesn't have any references, you can tag it as {{Unreferenced}}. If it has at least one but needs more, you can tag it as {{Refimprove}}. But you should never tag it for {{prod}} or AfD just because the article lacks references. The criterion for deletion is not whether the article lacks references, but whether the references exist. Anyone who nominates an article for {{prod}} or AfD is expected to have done a WP:BEFORE search, and to have added any good references that they found. Eastmain (talkcontribs) 15:24, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Eastmain, correct, and I do. Onel5969 TT me 16:36, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Ian Thom becomes Ian M. Thom, I hope

In starting Ian Thom, I realized that I should have used this person`s more formal name, Ian M. Thom which appears on all his books. I tried to move the article back to sandbox and I succeeded, I think but wikipedia won`t let me move out of sandbox. Could you please correct what I have done? Thank you, Joan arden murray (talk) 22:31, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Joan arden murray, It looks fine, Ian M. Thom. And Ian Thom is a redirect to the page. Doesn't appear to be anything else to be done. Onel5969 TT me 23:21, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Ruhana Khanna

Good Evening Sir!😅 Please why is the page Ruhana Khanna been redirected? Sometime ago, I remember starting an article, but you reverted back to redirect. Please why is this so? Idoghor Melody (talk) 17:44, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Idoghor Melody, as I said in the edit summary, they meet neither WP:GNG nor WP:NACTOR. Onel5969 TT me 14:07, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Blanking pages

Hi Onel, please do not blank pages that might be controversial, without reaching a consensus and moreover without sending a message like you did for instance here SportsOlympic (talk) 19:41, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Dear Onel5969.

Could you check the article about International Military-Technical Forum?

Presidend of Russia open Army-2021 already. --Kirill Borisenko (talk) 00:35, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Kirill Borisenko, nice job. Moved to mainspace. Onel5969 TT me 14:07, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Oggy Oggy

Oggy Oggy is now released, you should be the one who should be stop it. It shouldn't be a redirect anymore. It should be a real page. PickleAndPeanutFan (talk) 14:02, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

PickleAndPeanutFan, copyvios are taken very seriously by WP. You've been warned twice now. This will lead to you being blocked if you persist. Onel5969 TT me 14:04, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
Onel5969, Okay, but how do i make Oggy Oggy a page without using copyright infomation? PickleAndPeanutFan (talk) 14:10, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
PickleAndPeanutFan, the short answer is, you need to write it in your own words. Help:Your first article this is a good resource. Onel5969 TT me 15:03, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
Onel5969, If that's the case, you could've just got rid of the Short Summary in the infobox of the episodes. PickleAndPeanutFan (talk) 15:11, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Article: Atul Raghav

Hi,Onel5969 (talk · contribs). The article Atul Raghav should not be deleted. I know the fact, this page was made by some other user and was deleted earlier due to lack of independent sources because it's hard and takes a lot to show a 16 year old notable and significant personality. Taekwondo is not much highlighted in India but this boy has achieved a lot and is very well known for his game in our nation. Infact, the result of his matches are there on internet. Instead of deletion, you can site this article to improve it further but this page should not be speedily deleted.--Divineplus (talk) 16:48, 24 August 2021 (UTC).

Hello - I had forgotten to add its abbreviation TEDAŞ - which is why you thought it was not in any cite. Have now done so and added more cites. Chidgk1 (talk) 16:29, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Chidgk1, thanks. Have moved it back into mainspace. Did not make the acronym connection. Onel5969 TT me 23:50, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Question

I can't figure out how to edit the GNG column of the table. I don't even see a matching parameter, so I'm very confused. [1] I'd really appreciate figuring out how to do this. Clovermoss (talk) 23:53, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Clovermoss, yeah, that's tricky. See the change I made on your first answer. The first column is where you put the y or n. The second column is where you put the rationale for your y/n in column 1. The GNG column auto-populates. Let me know if you're still having trouble. Onel5969 TT me 02:42, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for fixing the formatting. I see what you mean now. I meant to try and figure it out earlier, but I've been really busy with work the past few days. Clovermoss (talk) 02:02, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
Clovermoss, no worries. As I've said, this is at your pace. Onel5969 TT me 02:30, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Help

I started an article, got all the way through it and then in a moment of inattention called the artist by the wrong name, e.g., Fitzgerald instead of Fitzpatrick. Now wikipedia won`t let me change it - it needs an administrator. I`m embarrassed over this. Can you help? And about that Ian Thom mistake, same thing happened with it. I couldn`t replace Ian Thom with Ian M. Thom. Now both articles are on the internet. Can you help with that too? I`m indebted to you.Joan arden murray (talk) 23:40, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Joan arden murray, regarding Thom, there are not two articles about him. There is the article, Ian M. Thom, and a redirect Ian Thom, which takes you to the article. The redirect is appropriate, since someone looking for the curator might search for them without the middle initial. Regarding the Fitzgerald/Fitzpatrick, Blake Fitzpatrick has been blocked from being created, since it was deleted several times for lack of notability. I'm pinging the sysop who closed the last AfD back in 2016, Sandstein for their input. It appears to be about the same individual (I'm basing this on the Ryerson connection). But I can't see the deleted article, so am not sure. And don't be embarrassed, we all make mistakes. Luckily, they can be corrected. Onel5969 TT me 23:49, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
Thank you Thank you Thank you. I feel much calmer now. About Fitzpatrick, you are the best judge and I will abide by your decision.Joan arden murray (talk) 23:57, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Page review: Domain name spoofing

The article Domain name spoofing (that you reviewed and tagged as needing citations) is formally a disambiguation article which, afik, shouldn't have citations? Am I correct? (I can easily get citations from the cited articles, if appropriate.) I didn't think it merited conversion into a 'normal' article though it couldn't avoid being a fork. Advice welcome. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 15:13, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

John Maynard Friedman, if it was truly a dab page, it not only wouldn't need refs, but shouldn't have refs. The issue is it's not a dab page. A dab page is a page which has links to articles with the same name, or articles which an alternate name for them is the same. Yours appears to be an article about the underlying concept. If you want to make it a dab page, I can help with that. Onel5969 TT me 15:34, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
Thank you. I realise that a 'normal' dab page should have nothing more than a list of articles without commentary, which is how I first envisaged it. But I concluded that such a simple list would be helpful only to those already familiar with the topic and confuse everyone else.
Maybe the best solution would be to make it into a normal article? It would be an unusual case, since it is more a pathfinder article (because of frequent sloppy and inconsistent usage in the media). Does WP:SUMMARY apply? (I don't want to open a wp:fork can of worms). --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 15:50, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
Of course I could (and probably should) move the content into Domain name and make this article a simple redirect to section. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 15:58, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
John Maynard Friedman, that might be the best idea. Onel5969 TT me 16:06, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
Done. I guess it just needed someone to hold up a mirror for me to see the obvious. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 19:40, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
John Maynard Friedman, nice job. Keep up the good work. Onel5969 TT me 20:38, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

A long time ago I translated this article form German Wikipedia, and you moved it to Draft namespace.

This was the first time that this had happen to one of my submissions, and not knowing the escape route, I tried to “play the game” and lost. So I walked away and stopped translating and creating articles.

Now I know a bit more, and have been reminded of this article, I understand that if I notify you (as mover), that I object to its move (which I do), then you have to move it back.

I realise that new page patrol is a thankless job (I couldn't do it), and sometimes a kernel of wheat gets thrown out with the chaff.

Thanks in advance – Iain Bell (talk) 10:29, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! (I have restored the talk page assesment, and the Wikidata link for you) — Iain Bell (talk) 11:55, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Nomination of Ventoura for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Ventoura is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ventoura until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.

162 etc. (talk) 15:59, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Timeline of schools broadcasts in the UK

I see from my talkpage that you have removed my timeline of schools broadcasting from Wikipedia and relegated it to draftspace on the grounds of lack of independent references. I have now added several independent references and resubmitetd it to ask for it to be returned to Wikipedia. Rillington (talk) 16:48, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Rillington, approved through AfC. Please be aware that it still needs more sourcing. Thanks for your efforts. Onel5969 TT me 17:21, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
Noted, but thank you for speedily returning my timeline of schools broadcasting to Wikipedia. Rillington (talk) 15:16, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
Rillington, no worries, keep up the good work. Onel5969 TT me 15:29, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Journal of Cultural Economics

I don't agree with your opinion on the article and moving it into draft. It is written exactly in the way other economic journals wikipages: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journal_of_Econometrics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journal_of_Economic_Theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Economic_Review and many others that you can check on the list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_economics_journals The request to create this WIkipage comes directly from the Editor of the Journal and he is well aware and agree on everything that is written on the page.

Sorry you disagree. Regardless, the fact that you seem to have a WP:COI concern is even a bigger concern than the current poor sourcing. The issue is not with notability, or with the content, but with sourcing. Now that you've shown you have a COI, the article must go through AfC. Onel5969 TT me 20:52, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

90 series - sources for dab page(?)

Hello! Sorry, You make a revert of expanding of 90 series redirect with describing a revert as "Zero sourcing", Maybe, You can explain this edit slightly intelligibly, or, maybe, this is a just a Twinkle bot bug? Thanks! 92.252.220.61 (talk) 20:34, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Djer-Kiss

Over the past 14 years, I have created or contributed to hundreds of French or English notices of so-called "dormant brands" (i.e. brands with great legacy but no current commercial activity), mainly Europeans, albeit under different usernames. All the notices that I have created have been enriched or completed by hundreds of helpful users. Few information or English literature exist about those brands. I am sorry if you are not satisfied with the French sources provided, but there are relevant and accurate and the notice certainly did not deserved to be moved to draft mode. Helpful users enrich notices by completing or better sourcing them, I do not see what you add here about a topic you are apparently unfamiliar with.

My familiarity or lack thereof has nothing to do with the draftication. If I cut out everything which was unsourced, a single line would be left. I felt it more beneficial to move it to draft in order for you to provide more sourcing. Onel5969 TT me 16:13, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

About the article "Sherlock: Untold Stories"

Nice to meet you. Thank you for your review of "Sherlock: Untold Stories." You said, "This article needs additional citations for verification," but I don't know which part needs citations. I wanna improve this article for the better. Would you tell me those parts specifically? Murasakihitsuji (talk) 15:23, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Murasakihitsuji, hi. Every assertion made in the piece needs a citation. The cast and characters needs citations for each character, else it is WP:OR. Same with the episodes. if all of a certain season, you can simply place the citation at the end of the section. Hope this helps. Onel5969 TT me 16:17, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your advice. I'll try it. Murasakihitsuji (talk) 17:29, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Excuse me, I have a additional question. This Japanese drama Sherlock: Untold Stories is available on DVD. Is it possible to use this DVD as a citation source? Murasakihitsuji (talk) 05:01, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Murasakihitsuji, it's a primary source, so it can't be used for certain things in the article, but it can be used for others. For example, if the DVD cover lists episode titles, or provides a brief summary of each episode, you could use it for those, as long as you put them in your own words. Onel5969 TT me 12:51, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your reply. Murasakihitsuji (talk) 13:40, 31 August 2021 (UTC)