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Archive 54: May 2019

Moylist Construction

Hello, This page is not a copyvio. BAILII is the link to the decision of the Supreme Court. The article offers a NPOV summary of this notable case--there's no copy/paste. The use of BAILII is the Irish equivalent of a "neutral citation" used to discuss cases in Ireland, the U.S., and elsewhere. AugusteBlanqui (talk) 19:19, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

@Onel5969: I've reviewed the Copvio Detector for the page and I can see where the mistake is--as a Supreme Court Case, the article must use similar names, particularly the judges, the plaintiff, and legal terminology. In addition, some--but not all--of the similarity report is based on appropriately used and referenced direct quotations. Again, very common and necessary when discussing a Supreme Court case. AugusteBlanqui (talk) 19:28, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi AugusteBlanqui - the issue is the copyvio comes from this webpage. The copyright policy of that website can be found here, which seems to indicate this could be a copyright violation. And while not word for word verbatim, there is enough WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASE (of terms other than the simple stuff that would need to be used, like you point out), that if it is indeed a violation, it would probably be best to simply start over. I'll ping a couple of admins who have experience with copyvios to take a look. Pinging Justlettersandnumbers and Diannaa - could one of you take a look at this, please? Onel5969 ^{TT me} 20:16, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Onel5969:, as I mentioned, BAILII, the site to which you link, is the published decision of the court. I also don't see WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASE either. There's only one way to say 'bound to fail' or 'dismissal of proceedings' as legal terms. The direct quotes are well-chosen, necessary, and appropriately referenced. This article is a well-written summary of an Irish Supreme Court case. AugusteBlanqui (talk) 20:25, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

@Onel5969: Can we seek input from Wikiproject Law as well? AugusteBlanqui (talk) 20:29, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi. Wikiproject law has nothing to do with copyright violations. You very well could be correct, that's why I pinged the 2 (imho) admins with the best knowledge of copyvios to take a look. If I'm wrong, and I'm very willing to admit that could be the case here, they'll remove the CSD, and then the article will be accepted. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 20:33, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

According to commons:Commons:Copyright rules by territory/Ireland#Government copyright, government works in Ireland enjoy copyright protection for 50 years from the date of creation. So a 2016 court case is still copyright, and we can't include it verbatim. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 22:07, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for that, Diannaa, it looks like another admin, however, Hut 8.5 - as deemed it admissible under US copyright law. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 00:41, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

@Diannaa: foreign court decisions are public domain in the US though. I know Commons insists that content has to be freely licensed in the country of origin as well but I don't think we do. It might be worth sending this to WP:CP for further review, I certainly don't think this is a G12 candidate. Hut 8.5 06:44, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

@Diannaa: Direct quotes of copyrighted material are certainly allowed in Wikipedia articles--for example with the book Night and many others. What is verbatim in this article is properly cited. The rest is not WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASE but a well-written summary of a court decision. 08:21, 3 May 2019 (UTC) AugusteBlanqui (talk) 09:57, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the input, Hut 8.5, learn something new everyday.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 11:21, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Princes Arcade

As you probably know, I've written bucketloads about London streets and properties on here, including getting Piccadilly to good article status, and the Princes Arcade does exist and you can walk down it and buy a suit or a pair of trousers, if it takes your fancy. I've added some history from the Survey of London, so hopefully that should be that. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:55, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Actually, I didn't know that Ritchie333, but my issue wasn't that the place did not exist (I know it does, I've been there, several times), but that the stub article as written didn't establish notability. In addition, there was the copyvio/paraphrase issue. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 00:52, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Of course the article doesn't establish notability – no article can ever do this. Notability is always external. It's also (and always) independent of current article state. Andy Dingley (talk) 08:39, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

That's a pretty inaccurate statement, and shows a pretty poor grasp of WP notability criteria. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 11:10, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

In what way? Andy Dingley (talk) 12:19, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Eyphrosine Kastamonitissa listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Eyphrosine Kastamonitissa. Since you had some involvement with the Eyphrosine Kastamonitissa redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Thryduulf (talk) 11:04, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

NorthPark1417

Hi, thanks for helping out. If anyone questions you about it the movement to draft was advised by Doc James (talk · contribs). The investigation is still ongoing so no final decision has been made but i've been moving the album articles but leaving the bands in mainspace but with a upe tag because many of them have history with different labels and have different editors involved, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 23:03, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the update, will spend some time on them. If you find out anything further, please let me know. And thanks for all you do. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 23:37, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi Onel5969. I've already metioned this to Atlantic306 (see User talk:Atlantic306/Archive15 (counter)d#Drafitying articles albums), but please remove the infobox image (only if the file is licensed as non-free content) and also disable the categories of any more album articles created by NorthPark1417 that you move to the draftspace. Thanks in advance. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:23, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

No worries, Marchjuly - will do.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 02:43, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Mandi

Hi, whats the unsourced thing that I added?--SharabSalam (talk) 17:24, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

In those edits, everything, since you added material without a single source.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 18:49, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

I added Palestine per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_dishes#West_Bank I have also seen Palestinians cooking mandi. I dont want to put sources in the infobox but ok I will add a source.--SharabSalam (talk) 18:53, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Actually SharabSalam, that's not what that is for in the infobox, it's about where the food was developed, not all the places it is currently eaten. I've corrected the infobox.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 19:14, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Oh thanks I thought that is where it is eaten--SharabSalam (talk) 19:18, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Four years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:14, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you so much Gerda Arendt, and for all the work you do here on the project. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 10:42, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Sadun Mankaberdeli

Asking for eyes from Diannaa and Justlettersandnumbers on this article. Created by an editor who has since been indeffed blocked for copyright violations. The sourcing on this article is offline, so an earwig report won't show anything. I know we're supposed to AGF, however, what would the two of you suggest in this instance? The subject passes GNG, but I am concerned regarding potential copyvio, especially in light of the way the prose of the article reads. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 22:26, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Not sure I can help much here, Onel5969, as I don't recall any interaction with this editor. I hope that either Diannaa or Sphilbrick might be able to advise whether a CCI might be necessary (rough rule of thumb is five verified copyvios). Badrosian's thesis is available here. A second concern arising from a quick glance at the editor's talk-page is veracity – there seems to be more than one suggestion of hoaxing; so it's not reassuring that Badrosian's incomprehensible thesis doesn't seem to support the text cited to it (but at least our text wasn't copied from there). Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 23:03, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Justlettersandnumbers - We'll wait to hear from Diannaa and Sphilbrick. Curiouser and curiouser. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 14:55, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Dablinks: anchors

Hi. When disambiguating links to dab pages like here, would you mind preserving the anchors if there are any? Thanks! – Uanfala (talk) 14:52, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi Uanfala - Hi. I thought I had. I usually attempt to copy/paste the # tags. Must have missed that one.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 14:56, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Question

Why you keep removing my edits please stop doing that its my school project at least tell me why you removed it ? Abdelghani25 (talk) 10:57, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Abdelghani25 - I did tell you why. Please do not add any info to the article without a valid citation from an independent source.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 10:59, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you

OK Abdelghani25 (talk) 11:03, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated

Thanks for reviewing Geely Xingyue, Onel5969.

Barkeep49 has gone over this page again and marked it as unpatrolled. Their note is:

Unreviewed given G12 tag now on the article.

Please contact Barkeep49 for any further query. Thanks.

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Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 16:58, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Wagyu (comedy duo) marked for speedy deletion

Hello, this is in regards to the deletion of the page Wagyu (comedy duo). It was marked for speedy deletion because it was potentially advertisement and promotional. If I have written in a way that seems so, I apologize. If possible, can you please revert the deletion so I can make appropriate changes or at least be given a chance to contest the speedy deletion? Thanks

FreshUdon (talk) 12:23, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Four of Diamonds (band)

Hi, this was redirected after an AfD that you initiated, perhaps you'd like to have a look at it to see whether it indeed meets MUSIC as claimed in the edit summaries. --Randykitty (talk) 14:01, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

I saw you were doing some disambiguation. How do you decide whether to disambiguate Pesik. to Pesikta Rabbati or Pesikta deRav Kahana? Ar2332 (talk) 19:56, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Dude you are really something. I never got this many notifications before. Thanks for reviewing the redirects. Masum Reza📞 09:15, 29 May 2019 (UTC)