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Alberto Celli closed as Keep - onto Fremont Police Department (Nebraska)

One up and one working. Fremont Police Department (Nebraska) is kind of an interesting one. Made the remark earlier, now coming out of bullpen in the bottom for the save, Moreno Oso, #35 now pitching. Don't think I ever pitched except in family games but I did right field quite bit. Bears love to roam. ----moreno oso (talk) 04:38, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion converted to PROD: Brooklyn Iced Tea

Hello Morenooso, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I have converted the speedy deletion tag that you placed on Brooklyn Iced Tea to a proposed deletion tag. The speedy deletion criteria are extremely narrow to protect the encyclopedia, and do not fit the page in question. Thank you.  7  05:56, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

I thought about db-hoaxing it too. I chose A1 because it had little or no context. PROD should work too. ----moreno oso (talk) 10:11, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Tell you what, I could do with one of those right now (but it's only 11:15am). – B.hotep •talk• 10:15, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

A hoax or a PROD? Amuse yourself with User:Morenooso/Juan José Carbó workspace. I need to put in the last couple of citations. I copyeditted it the other day and am almost done.--moreno oso (talk) 10:19, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

BTW, somewhere in the world it's happy hour and my philosophy is go ugly early. --moreno oso (talk) 10:22, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

It's 4 am with no female types in sight. Don't know if that qualifies as happy hour or what. Go ugly early still applies. ----moreno oso (talk) 10:59, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK nom for Juan José Carbó

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Please see Template_talk:Did_you_know#Juan_Jos.C3.A9_Carb.C3.B3. --moreno oso (talk) 18:28, 8 June 2010 (UTC) The file is definitely problematic. Unless the uploader is Carbó, s/he doesn't have the authority to release the image freely, and there's no reason to believe that the uploader is Carbó. Other than that, the article is fine; the sourcing looks to be reliable (I can't use Spanish, so I can't offer opinions on how well you used the sources), and it's plainly long enough for DYK. Nyttend (talk) 21:20, 9 June 2010 (UTC) I'd take the image out if there is reasonable doubt (and I think there is, tbh) – B.hotep •talk• 21:35, 9 June 2010 (UTC) I don't know who uploaded it. I found it by doing YTrikC_search for Carbó articles on Wikipedia. It showed up in Wikicommons and on the Italian version. It got added there on May 16 on the fourth revision/re-edit. Looks like someone attached a mini-bio. I'll see what it says. ----moreno oso (talk) 23:39, 9 June 2010 (UTC) This is a different bio with info I didn't have. It appears to come from someone related named Jose Manual.----moreno oso (talk) 23:42, 9 June 2010 (UTC) Sorry, I wasn't even referring to you in particular, it was an impersonal "lecture". I frankly wasn't aware that this was being assessed elsewhere, and I take the liberty not to follow an issue over several pages; for instance, I usually comment on the problems as they show on T:TDYK, and almost never verify the hooks themselves - I just do not want to get involved in/responsible for that sort of activity, as it would drag me into a whirlwind. The entire DYK participation on my part is limited to that exclusive focus, takes up only a small part of my (content-focused) activity here, and centers on those periods when I have a DYK nom of my own running. I therefore do not usually comment on DYK issues anywhere else but on T:TDYK, and I don't intend to change this habit. Dahn (talk) 04:23, 10 June 2010 (UTC) The DYK page is highly watched. And, as you just admitted, you're not aware of all the conversations going on about this nom and how it has evolved from one nom to another. If indeed what you say is true about having a current nom, you should treat other editors' nom with the same consideration/respect that you would want for your nom. In effect, you have taken me twice to the woodshed now. ----moreno oso (talk) 04:27, 10 June 2010 (UTC) BTW, just "commenting on problems without verifying hooks" seems like a bad way to operate on the DYK page but that's your method of operations which I disagree with. If you're going to address a nom, you should do the full process and not be selective. ----moreno oso (talk) 04:29, 10 June 2010 (UTC) Yes, I am not aware of all the conversations: it's not business to be aware of them, it is not feasible for me to follow up on all of them, and it is ultimately irrelevant for the issue at hand whether it is discussed elsewhere or not - I state my point on the one venue specifically intended for such discussions. As for my own nom, I have gotten and do get a lot of direct, critical comments of the kind I gave you, and only mind in cases where they are unwarranted (i. e., where the problem with the hook is purely imaginary). To the point: do you have an objection to my comments other than that they seem mean to you? If not, then we're both wasting our time. (Incidentally: seem mean, because I don't believe there's anything factually out of line to be found in any of them.) Dahn (talk) 04:38, 10 June 2010 (UTC) If I commented on your talkpage and then here, then yes I have issues which I have brought up.----moreno oso (talk) 04:40, 10 June 2010 (UTC) Okay, so was I wrong to say that the image is of questionable copyright status? Am I wrong to say that the two alts are non sequiturs? Point me to the part of in your posts where you state either, and we'd be talking about something substantial. Otherwise, it's your hurt feelings with no intention to hurt them on my part, and that I'm afraid is a cul de sac as far as I'm concerned. Dahn (talk) 04:45, 10 June 2010 (UTC) The conversation above my post on your talkpage was very informative and basically indicates that you have an insensitivity. But, we're are going nowhere because you don't see the "big picture". ----moreno oso (talk) 04:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Operation Big Bird

— Rlevse • Talk • 06:03, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Re: my previous comment on your talk page

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I thought I'd leave a quick note to apologise for leaving a slgihtly nasty message here following the dispute we had over the Don Martin AfD; please be more careful about reverting good-faith edits without discussing the edits with the user, however. In particular, remember that a sysop has additional privileges to use certain tools on wikipedia, but not additional power; conflicting edits should be resolved through discussion, not simply through blindly reverting an edit without looking at its contents since it was previously reverted by a sysop. I'm not going to be editing wikipedia (at least for a while), so I don't expect a reply; I'm unlikely to respond quickly to a reply anyway. Thanks. GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 16:03, 9 June 2010 (UTC) Disagree but I think you know that already. ----moreno oso (talk) 16:53, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK

Since the DYK special occasion area says that it has to be added at least 5 days before the special occasion, I asked if it would still be alright on Wikipedia talk:DYK. Joe Chill (talk) 19:58, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

I removed it. It's not a 5x expansion. 20:01, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for taking a look. ----moreno oso (talk) 00:00, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Vayden Band Page Deletion

Hello Morenooso,

a few days ago, you deleted the Vayden wikipedia page I edited, and for reasons I completely agree with and now understand. Since then, I've put together a more proper wikipedia page for the band, yet it seems I cannot recreate it with the new content because "it's currently protected and can only be edited by administrators." The "deletion review" page recommends I first contact the administrator that had deleted the page, which is the purpose of this message. Here is the new content for the Vayden article I'm hoping is suitable for Wikipedia. Please let me know what step I should take next.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MetalMilitiaESP/Enter_your_new_article_name_here

MetalMilitiaESP (talk) 22:35, 9 June 2010 (UTC) Unknown. I don't do article reviews. ----moreno oso (talk) 23:29, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Nope...

...my last visitor, though polite and nice, wrote an article and a dismbig which were deletable under at least two criteria. So there. Nyaah.  :) --PMDrive1061 (talk) 03:00, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Could I get some of that fish? Believe or not, 7-11 has decent sushi. Sometimes the local one has a 2 for 1 sale. ----moreno oso (talk) 03:02, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

LOL! I may have to swing by and check that out. Got a Circle K near me at home, but there's a 7-11 not far from where I work. Turns out I deserved all the fish I could get; I deleted a legit article, it would seem. Good call. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 03:07, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I recommend the sushi with avocado. It's best when it's fresh (you can tell by date on package) but when under the influence um, er need for massive quantities of food - that's the ticket!, It works in a pinch. ----moreno oso (talk) 03:10, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Wait! You deleted a legit article? I was just funning you!!!----moreno oso (talk) 03:13, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

It's okay, come back big fella. I said, "sushi" not hari kari. ----moreno oso (talk) 05:44, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Not to worry, O Fellow Kalifornian. I had to sign off. Just checking back in for a moment. Besides, I'm not crazy about needles. What makes you think I'd enjoy disembowling myself...?  :) BTW, if you have a Trader Joe's near you, I highly recommend their California Roll. Now, if you really want good sushi and you find yourself in Beverly Hills, I highly recommend Sushi Roku over on La Cienega. My sister and brother-in-law treated my wife and I about a year ago. Best caterpillar roll you'll ever eat and something they have called "crab dynamite" is a must. Bring money, especially if you order a bottle of sake. Some folks I know rave about a sushi place in Yucca Valley, of all places. In the Travelodge, yet. Definitely on my short list of places to try in the desert. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 06:28, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I had these vision of John Belushi doing that SNL skit and thought, "What if I scared by his admission?" Could I live with myself? There are pretty good sushi places near where I live. In fact, there's this Sushi Buffet I like and a Trader Joes is available. BTW, I am partial to the seafood varieties. I wonder why? ----moreno oso (talk) 06:33, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

This guy. ----moreno oso (talk) 06:40, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Mr Huggins

If you hadnt nominated it then it would never have made DYK. You may as well take "undeserved"? rewards as youll certainly get undeserved criticism :-) Victuallers (talk)

I still feel good about the whole way/process that went down. ----moreno oso (talk) 12:30, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Spectacles?

I see your point. *rimshot* --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 13:51, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

He's corrupting you to the Dark side of the Force. "Fear leads to anger; anger leads to hate; hate leads to suffering." ----moreno oso (talk) 13:54, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

No, wait! Is somebody pouring shots? ----moreno oso (talk) 13:56, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Pouring? Or...taking? --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 14:13, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Normally, when I'm at one of my civic events, I pour and take shots. But, I'd rather be drinking shots. ----moreno oso (talk) 14:23, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Pot shots? Shots at the big time? Big shots? Shot puts? Inquiring minds... --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 15:04, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Tummy shots. ----moreno oso (talk) 15:08, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

What? Off of bears? --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 18:50, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Are you being dense on purpose? Jello shots taken orally which then reside happily in a bear's tummy. ----moreno oso (talk) 19:00, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Do I look like a porpoise? I resemble your implication. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 19:16, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

You resemble an imp? ----moreno oso (talk) 19:19, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Of the Hillman variety, no less... --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 19:36, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

SO, you're telling me that an imp drives his car to the saloon to get jello shots? ----moreno oso (talk) 19:47, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

No, I said I resemble the car, which is an Imp. You're the one who brought up shots. And saloons. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 20:01, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

One more time: you said you were a fish and a car (rambling fish type car) and that you park by the saloon. ----moreno oso (talk) 20:06, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

A porpoise isn't even a fish - it's a mammal. A dolphin, now, is a fish. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 20:14, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

SO, now you claim to be a purpoted mule? ----moreno oso (talk) 20:17, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Archbishop Basil Schott

Roman Catholic Archbishop Basil Schott died today; he was bishop of the same Eastern Roman Catholic rite church as was Bishop Emil John Mihalik. I could start the article but if you want to start the article that would be fine also. I just got finished with 2 articles of 2 men were appointed Governor of Idaho Territory but in the end did not want the job. There were a total of seventeen men appointed Idaho Territory Governor-that must had been a hardship government post in 19th century United States. I hope you are doing well-Thank you-RFD (talk) 21:53, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm off bishops for awhile. Thanks any way.----moreno oso (talk) 21:55, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

In case you were actually wondering

Saw this edit summary on my watchlist, and just thought I'd mention: It was Sir John Falstaff in Henry IV, Part 1. Just in case that mattered. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 01:31, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I do. I am somewhat a student of history and have that "handy dandy" quote book that attributes them to situations. ----moreno oso (talk) 01:38, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Sounds like a good thing to have. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 01:48, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

A lawyer I worked with about 19 years ago used to use it quite a bit because in effect it "hammers home your point" and leaves no room for quarter or manuevering. There are similar lists here on Wikipedia. I'm thinking about doing the Top ten quotes from Top Gun the movie. ----moreno oso (talk) 01:53, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Operation Big Bird

I understand your actions, however I like to point out that the Marcos wealth involved several countries and I like to put them on the record. Rizalninoynapoleon (talk) 10:49, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Then, find citations and don't use WP:NPOV terms. ----moreno oso (talk) 10:51, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

G11 nomination of European Music Council

Hey, Bear, I was about to decline the G11 as "not exclusively promotional" when I noted that you were the one who nom'ed it. I've seen your work around the hangon shop and respect it and, since I'm fairly new at hangon patrolling just wanted to make sure that there wasn't something that I'm missing. What is it about that article that makes it, in your opinion, "exclusively promotional"? I'm not throwing down the gauntlet or issuing a challenge or even asking that you reconsider, but only trying to see if there's something I'm not seeing so that I can learn. Best regards, TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 13:53, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

1. It was created by a user with the same name.
2. By creating this article, that editor has a WP:COI.
3. Its only edits come to this article.
4. Its links are back to the user's website and in essence self-published.
5. The article does nothing encyclopedic and serves only to promote the website and its owner.

Additionally, you can read the G11 wikilink which describes unambigous advertising. It also falls under A7 for DB-Corp.----moreno oso (talk) 13:59, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

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moreno oso (talk) 13:59, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Missed #1, after which all the rest fall into place, and for that I award myself a self-whack!. Sorry for the interruption and please excuse my dumbheadedness. Sheepishly, TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 14:04, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

That's okay. Even I make mistakes and have admins come by to see me. Since you said you've seen my work and respect it, I respect you for asking. And, it takes a big user to admit what you did. Still, there is room for an admin to see it another way. Should you decide to take over the article and rescue it by providing reliable sources and notability, it could stay. I usually lay out very simply on the article talkpage why I nom CSDs. ----moreno oso (talk) 14:09, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

It's Waka Waka (This Time for Africa)

Vamos al Mundial; vamos a ganar. Ya se fue! Waka Waka (This Time for Africa) ----moreno oso (talk) 14:06, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

nom

Nom? Not an issue - you need 1500 chars of pure reffed text. ie no bullets, quotes, titles, captions etc. Use "Word" to count them? Victuallers (talk) 21:10, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm kind of limited today. And maxed out. If you could do the count and let me know, I'm working on the pic. ----moreno oso (talk) 21:13, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

James Smith-Kulyk

Not so much an attack page since it appears to be an autobiography.Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 05:35, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

1. Mentions he had downs (Downs syndrome)
2. Alcoholism
3. Hanging with a gang
4. Drop in grades

Now, what do you think? ----moreno oso (talk) 05:37, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Either way it gets deleted. Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 05:40, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Big diff - attack pages should be blanked and usually get deleted quicker. ----moreno oso (talk) 05:42, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

The Bandit Queen is currently too short for DYK

Hello! Your submission of The Bandit Queen (1950 film) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 06:36, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Now that the bear is a little more awake, I will begin to tackle this. I just did a patent-pending YTrikC_search and flushed up a couple of The Evil II news clippings. As a certain Wiki-Defender might be paraphrased, "My specialty is vandals." Attributable to Obi Wan Candobe. Thanks for the Prosesize DYK tool script addition. I loaded it up and will commence Jedi operations as soon as I get my bear treat I left in the cave kitchen. ----moreno oso (talk) 12:18, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Waka Waka (This Time for Africa)

Can Shakira get any more WP:HOTTIE or what? The local station plays her Spanish version interspliced with their anchors/reporters and is a killer vid. Next to Miller time, it's Waka Waka time! ----moreno oso (talk) 11:51, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Stanley Joseph Ott

— Rlevse • Talk • 12:02, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Definitely not one of my best efforts but well intentioned. Considering that I got a DYK credit for just adding a couple of citations to this article is almost amazing considering that its creator didn't like the effort and reverted them. I was going to expand the article but after the revert, decided it wasn't worth the effort. Too bad as the whole episode with "Dead dude walking" is pretty amazing stuff in the life of this bishop, the relationship he formed with its author and possibly how it shaped some of his views. ----moreno oso (talk) 12:24, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Sack tapping

Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 00:03, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Wow, did this DYK nom ever hit a buzzsaw!?! The article is a laughable shell of itself and getting hacked to pieces. Guess I can scratch this one off as not one of my proudest achievements. . . (Note to self - Wizardman has a pretty manly bear I may want to borrow!

My congratulations on your DYK for this article and on Bishop Ott. One of the things I like about Wikipedia are the DYK articles-you read about some unique subjects-Many thanks-RFD (talk) 12:26, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, but I'm taking a black eye on Sack tapping. I thought I did an okay job but some editors, who were drawn to it by the DYK frontpage mention, are hacking it to bits. I'm not happy either with the way Ott turned out either. Try to help an editor with a DYK nom and I got bit which lately seems to be the experience. That's partially why I'm sticking to articles that I have an interest in. ----moreno oso (talk) 12:31, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

I've gotta tell you, after reading this, I was extremely amused by your comment here. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 18:53, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Your comment was totally lost on me until I did an edit on another article just now. I saw your comments on the DYK page and did not want any further editor/admin to think "this nominator does NOT care or has not replied to the concern because I was active beyond that point." Just before I "went to bed", I got caught up in a situation with an editor creating neologisms. I PRODed the first and CSDed Pure Vandalism the second. The editor "bumped" the PROD and I sent it to AfD. I wonder how that turned out? ;) Listen buddy, me and my ex just broke up and if anything I'm going to beat the uh, err, ahh, - beat the system. Yeah, that's the ticket!. Tapping the "sack" was the last thing on my mind. Shakira and el Mundial are #1 and 2. ----moreno oso (talk) 20:37, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

It's time to sack tap the article. Recent edits by editors brought to it by the DYK factoid frontpage listing have stripped it of any meaning. ----moreno oso (talk) 11:31, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Nah...

...I'm in too good a mood to whack ya.  :) --PMDrive1061 (talk) 21:07, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Aw man, the bear wants fish! ----moreno oso (talk) 21:12, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gallery of triband flags

My first WP:AFD closure was transwiki to Commons. Now, if I only knew how to do that to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gallery of triband flags. ----moreno oso (talk) 23:05, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Stanley Joseph Ott

Courcelles (talk) 00:02, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Congratulations!-RFD (talk) 00:13, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Ah, so the bear wants fish, eh?

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Whacking with a wet trout or trouting is a common practice on Wikipedia when experienced editors slip up and make a silly mistake. It, along with sentencing to the village stocks, is used to resolve one-off instances of seemingly silly behavior amongst normally constructive community members, as opposed to long term patterns of disruptive edits, which earn warnings and blocks.

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I just wuv the fact that I ticked off those widdle boys on my talk page. Must call the WAAA-mbulance for their hurt widdle feelings! --PMDrive1061 (talk) 01:30, 13 June 2010 (UTC) Man, I was waiting for my fishy! Yeah, you must have ticked off somebody. Hope I get no fleas.----moreno oso (talk) 01:32, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

• Rimshot, please! And do enjoy the fish. Fishes have few if any fleas. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 01:38, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

I was talking about your visitor. Ya know, the other day a local station showed how to make sushi. I should have paid more attention. I just remembered I have a stash of canned tuna that I keep as an emergency stock of food. Bear is eating fishy right now. ----moreno oso (talk) 01:46, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

• Oh, yum! I got a fresh salmon filet last week from the clearance bin at the local grocery emporium for just a couple of bucks. No way I was going to leave it on their shelf for the price of a Taco Bell burrito. It hit my grill within minutes of my hitting the driveway. 'Twas glorious. You 'twould have loved it. 'Tweally. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 01:50, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Ooh, ooh - blackened salmon! I love blackened fish! Maybe I ought to trout the local supermarket! ----moreno oso (talk) 01:54, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Lipton Ice Tea has a new commercial with several good looking trout pushing something. I got lost while being mesmerized. ----moreno oso (talk) 02:49, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Why relist?

Hi, I am wondering what your rational is to relist this AFD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/India_Empire Off2riorob (talk) 02:14, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Sure. There's four ways to look at it:

1. No consensus was indicated.
2. The votes are even; even with the vote past what should have been the closure date.
3. If the vote past the closure date was the only one, would it have been fair to close it as Delete? I don't think so and just one vote does not confer consensus.
4. Relisting will give fresh/other editors a chance to develop said consensus. ----moreno oso (talk) 02:23, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks for reversing my relisting - not! ----moreno oso (talk) 02:37, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Runaway Bride (Nancy Drew)

Just a heads up that another editor is questioning your close of this AFD at WP:ANI. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 03:36, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I went to the board but found nothing. Do you have a direct link?----moreno oso (talk) 03:40, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

I just found it by searching for Nancy Drew. I saw the vote as being four for Keep and two for Delete. If an editor just look at the votes after the initial relisting, the vote was two for Keep and none for Delete. I examined the article; looked at the citations and AfD debate items and felt the Keep arguments were over-riding. ----moreno oso (talk) 03:45, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

You're not an admin, so don't close AfDs unless the outcome is clear: "Close calls and controversial decisions are better left to an administrator." Your need to closely examine the outcome and the subsequent debate shows that your decision to do a NAC on this was incorrect. If you want to get involved in more complex closures, stand at RfA. Fences&Windows 14:03, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Non-admin closure of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Runaway Bride (Nancy Drew).

Hi. Could you please explain your rational for non-admin closure of this AFD as keep ? There were several editors who !voted delete, and although it probably would have swung in favour of the keepers, there's no clause at WP:Non-admin closure that says non-admin closure is appropriate in any case apart from when there is a near unanimous decision to keep. Thanks. Claritas § 07:16, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

I guess you didn't see the section above. I have been monitoring the board as I was not notified by the nominator. Perhaps, vote is a bad choice in the above section but after reviewing everything, I stand by my decision. ----moreno oso (talk) 07:18, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Re: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/India Empire‎ and your revert

Re: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/India Empire‎ and your revert, that anon IP popped into two other AfD's I'm following or part of and either voted or made the same pithy type comment. Could you review it contribs? ----moreno oso (talk) 11:09, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

It seems that you managed to read my mind on this one (Or perhaps i read yours) - one minute before you posted this message i decided to block the IP for disruptive editing. In total he attacked 9 AFD's trough vote deletion, vote altering, harassment and other tactics. It seems he stopped after 20 minutes, but seeing the amount of disruption he caused i agree it is better to block him to prevent another round of this. Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 11:14, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Wow! I was thinking something along those lines. Blocking him wasn't the primary thought but works for me. Kind of reminded me about a Frazier episode where he was frustrated and began running with scissors. That anon IP seemed like it was frustrated and took it out on several AfDs by "running with scissors" through the AfDs. Hopefully you reverted its posts as well. I think it voted in the majority with the ones I'm on but it doesn't seem fair to have its comments in the debates. ----moreno oso (talk) 11:19, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

You know, on my talkpage I opined that I thought you should remove the anon IP's votes/comments/disruptions. Some many minutes later, I'm glad you didn't because I know the AfD participants in my debates will see them for what they are: petty rants by someone running with scissors. BTW, how do you (meaning me) get that green paneled box to display when editting your talkpage. If you could improve my talkpage with that, I'd really like it. ----moreno oso (talk) 12:24, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

I tend to leave votes around for the sake of discussion, unless the vote in itself is clearly disruptive (such as this one). Votes are weighted based upon their content, and not upon their amount so his votes would warrant little to no weight in the final decision. Still, i decided to stripe them while leaving a short commentary regarding the user's other actions to point out the issue more clearly just in case someone overlooks them. Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 12:38, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Improving my talkpage with the green paneled display yours has

How do I get that panel? Could you improve my talkpage with it so it displays when someone leaves me a message? ----moreno oso (talk) 12:53, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

That green panel is an edit notice, which is a header that only displays if you edit the page upon which it is set. Technically they can be set on every page, but only administrators can do so outside the talk / user space. In this case you are referring to your own talk page, so you can easily create on yourself :).

To do so, navigate to your own talk page and go into edit mode. On the right side above the " This page is 45 kilobytes long. " bar will be a tine red link called "Page notice" Clicking this link will take you to User talk:Morenooso/Editnotice. Just create that page and add something akin to my own green template there; It will be shown above your talk page every time someone edits the page. Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 13:06, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Cool jellybeans! ----moreno oso (talk) 13:09, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm, this is complicated (another line from Top Gun). Better wait til after the bear is fed. ----moreno oso (talk) 13:21, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, you could just copy the source of my on template (located here) to your own edit notice and modify it to suit your needs. Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 14:07, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks mucho. I *hate* reinventing the wheel. Fire was pretty tricky. ----moreno oso (talk) 16:21, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Altered speedy deletion rationale: Tangled affection

Hello Morenooso. I am just letting you know that I deleted Tangled affection, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, under a different criterion from the one you provided, which doesn't fit the page in question. Thank you.  7  02:48, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

You're the boss. And as long as the article is gone A7, I have no problems.

... far from the boss, but this was just one of those notices that comes automatically with this deletion helper tool. But, fwiw - I know that you listed it as spam rather than as A7 because of the fact that it was written by the band themselves, but that is more of a COI issue than anything else. Thanks for your patrolling work.  7  03:05, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Figuratively said. And, thanks for the compliment! ----moreno oso (talk) 03:07, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Jimmy Dean RIP

Well Williard, Jaime Oso salutes you. And to think I had some of your products today. ----moreno oso (talk) 04:13, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

User:Brandenhunter

I see that you have posted a spam-username warning at User talk:Brandenhunter. (In fact you have posted 2 copies of it, but presumably that is a mistake.) I agree 100% with the idea behind your post to this spam-only and probable sockpuppet-using editor. However, in this case the user name does not suggest "editing on behalf of a group, company or website", unlike the two closely related accounts for users "BombshellRoulette" and "Guardians (bombshell roulette)". I have therefore removed your notices and substituted a {{uw-autobiography}} tag, which seems more appropriate. I am well aware that removing another editor's talk page comments is not normally accepted, but I felt in this case it was justified. However, it seemed that courtesy demanded that I tell you what I have done and why. If you disagree please restore the messages: I have no intention of edit-warring over them. JamesBWatson (talk) 15:34, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

The spam users were for two different days and reasons. I caught him two days ago on a minor matter. Today he went full bore and spammed an article and another user. He's a meatpuppet. ----moreno oso (talk) 15:36, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Ah yes, now I have looked back and seen that you put "The article in question is User:Guardians (bombshell roulette)" at the bottom of one of them, and a different message at the bottom of the other, indicating two different events. There is no doubt at all that this is a spam-only account, and that we are dealing with either sockpuppets or meatpuppets (it really doesn't matter which). The only thing I'm less than 100% happy with, though, is that the name of the account Brandenhunter suggests editing on behalf of a group. However, it is not a big issue, and I don't propose to spend any more time on it. Restore the messages or don't, as you see fit. JamesBWatson (talk) 15:45, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

I thought he blanked his talkpage. I don't restore user talkpages whenever a user erases its own page. If another editor erases a warning or comment of mine, I will ask the other editor to reconsider if I deem the warning/visit necessary. But, you're right. The user is probably blocked now and it doesn't really matter. ----moreno oso (talk) 15:49, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Tentacles (novel)

Please review Talk:Cryptid Hunters and my talk page and consider rescinding the warning you issued. There was nothing malicious or disruptive about my edit. 24.4.101.72 (talk) 23:11, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Already did. Disagree. You had no business doing the redirect. ----moreno oso (talk) 23:58, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

The warning you gave the IP user was improper and I have removed it. Vandalism warning and reverting edits without an edit summary are not proper behavior for a content dispute; either work it out on the article's talk page or use the various dispute resolution paths. -- JLaTondre (talk) 03:35, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

It wasn't a content dispute and I think you know that. The editor took unilateral action. Okay, let's say it's content dispute. The editor does not have the right to do that. As for no edit summary, I just almost always do. However, Wikipedia and the new interface are causing my system havoc. That one got away from. ----moreno oso (talk) 03:45, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

You know, maybe that editor, who couldn't read yesterday, should look at the contribs of the anon IP. It needs to read WP:BEFORE as it nominated two articles for WP:PRODs from an author who has written 25 books. I just cleaned up the first redirect (oh guess what - the anon IP also did another redirect in the same arbitrary manner and was cited it too). I declined the PRODs. ----moreno oso (talk) 14:23, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Your reasoning is flawed. Simply because an author has written a number of books does not make any particular novel notable. Tentacles fails the criteria in that is has not been the subject of multiple, non-trivial works. It has not won a major literary award. It has not inspired a movie, event or religion. It is not the subject of instruction at schools. And the author is not historically significant. None of the "references" you provide show anything to the contrary. Indeed, most are nothing more than "the book exists" links. 76.102.25.93 (talk) 18:40, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Suggest you read WP:BEFORE.----moreno oso (talk) 18:43, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

I have. None of that makes a non-notable book notable. In fact, #4 suggests creating a redirect, which I did and you falsely labeled malicious. 76.102.25.93 (talk) 18:53, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

There is process for doing that. It isn't done by oneself. The key word is "consider". Consider does not mean "Do by yourself". ----moreno oso (talk) 18:58, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

It's become apparent that you're not going to admit that the novel doesn't meet criteria. Fine. I've put it up for deletion. Feel free to make your arguments there. Good day. 76.102.25.93 (talk) 19:03, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Nos vamos a ver. ----moreno oso (talk) 19:06, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

I wonder if someone would like admit something after all the edits to the article? ¡Nos vemos! ----moreno oso (talk) 04:02, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

It's Jim Fowler's considered opinion, probably more a statement of fact, that there are not too many creatures in the animal kingdom that ala Jim Croce "tug on" a bear's cape". Well, with the exception of admins. . . ----moreno oso (talk) 14:17, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Replied on my talk page as there is no point in duplicate conversations. -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:33, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of José Albi

Hello! Your submission of José Albi at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 18:31, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

•  Done ----moreno oso (talk) 18:36, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Bianca Jagger

Hi, I'm not sure if you've seen the recent edits made by an anon which I reverted. I'm not even sure who really is correct on her maiden name and date of birth, as I know how females like to hide things like this from public view, citing things like "that's too much information" as they want to feel safe and protected, so they bend the truth in this way so everyone don't find out the real history of the individual, her family, background, and where she really came from. Bianca may feel this way - felt violated, e-mailed Jimbo, and said she wants this her way! It is my intention to not choose sides in this matter. Anyway, with a user name like Moreno (masculine) and Morena (feminine), and your edit on the talk page as her birth year being 1950 instead of 1945 (though even Jade Jagger says her mother had her very young), one could argue these points. Might you two be related? If so, what I know will stay only on this talk page. Question - what's truly correct? "Bianca Pérez-Mora Macias" or "Bianca Perez Morena de Macias". Best, --Discographer (talk) 22:27, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

I've been busy today and real life interruptus has set in. I don't know how Jagger would like her name to appear. It is a highly subjective personal preference among women of Hispanic descent. Please see Spanish naming customs. While the article is correct for the most part, a woman can chose to do whatever she wants as personal, family or the hubby's preference may exist. And, after a divorce the same issues arise. Then it's really easy for names to be printed wrong by the press because they don't fully understand the naming procedure/preference and "assume" this (meaning their interpretation) is the right one. The definitive source on this will be Jagger. As for the edit of year, I am not sure I may have done that but if I did, it sounds like the 1950 the one preferred by the hidden comment template.

My name is strictly a nom de plume. Long ago, I woo'ed a lady with it and in years since have "embraced the bear within me".

Even the name on a birth certificate can be forced upon a woman (at least in days of old). My Grandmother wanted to name my Mom one way but the doctor changed the certificate on his own volition. He gave her what he thought was a "proper Spanish name". I did not learn all this until my Dad died and we had to go to get his retirement pay changed to my Mom in trust. She was about one sentence away from being denied but I asked her to step outside so I could speak in private with the bureaucrat. I told him I knew how the game was played and that he could delay my Mom her rightful due because her driver's license did not match her birth certificate. Or, he could show human compassion, do the right thing and grant her my Dad's retirement. He appeared to me to be leaning to the classic "deny and resubmit in triplicate" method. I popped open my wallet, showed him what I did and said that I too knew how the game was played at the higher levels and could come down on him like a ton of bricks. I said, "Don't be in a hurry to make the decision right now. I'm going to get my Mom and you can surprise us with it." Needless to say, my Mom got her first direct pay allotment about 25 days later.

No, Jagger has to be the source because woman's names are easily screwed up and chances are she has a preference which is her right. She can known one way in public and have private ID that states otherwise. Private info should always be just that: private. ----moreno oso (talk) 22:54, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Best, --Discographer (talk) 23:06, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. Now comes the tricky part of getting the request to Jimbo.----moreno oso (talk) 23:07, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

AFD/DYK on John Canon

I just wanted to drop you a note thanking you for backing me up in the John Canon CSD and AFD! Also, I saw you you nominated it for DYK, but I nominated it already, so, if you don't mind, I'm going to combine our nominations. (Yes, I nominated it while it was still under AFD, but I was certain it would kept.) Thanks again!--GrapedApe (talk) 00:45, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Back at you. I am sure you would done the same for me. I've seen your work and it's great stuff. If I had a fireplace, I'd be sitting around it with a glass of wine reading one of your articles. I probably would have done the same in nominating the article for DYK while under an AfD. You crack me up.

Please do combine the nominations. Still, I'm a little upset that my comment about watching you develop it fully under seven days did not come true. I knew the debate would end in your favor. ----moreno oso (talk) 00:53, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

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Opinion

Hi, There were improvements on St Joseph. But I will appreciate your opinion/review of what is still needed, etc. Cheers. History2007 (talk) 20:35, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

I'll have to do it later. I'm involved with an AfD save. I have been watching the DIFFs and didn't notice anything major that I would object to but I should do a review since you asked. ----moreno oso (talk) 20:38, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Basic idea is this: you thought the article had lost quality after some edits soem time ago. Has it gained quality now? Thanks. History2007 (talk) 20:48, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

I apologize but I have been busy trying to save two articles that are up for AfD. Earlier today, I saw an article being developed and jumped all over it. I'd like to finish it off. I just and am feeling no pain after watching Brazil win. I'll try to take a look later as I have several irons in the fire. ----moreno oso (talk) 20:56, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for José Albi

— Rlevse • Talk • 12:03, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

OK

OK, haz lo que quieras, yo sigo trabajando con la wikipedia en español. Adios y salu2 --187.132.185.65 (talk) 20:27, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for The Bandit Queen (1950 film)

— Rlevse • Talk • 06:03, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

		The WikiProject Films Award
		I, Lugnuts (talk), hereby award Morenooso the WikiProject Films Award for his/her valued contibutions to WikiProject Films. For the saving and expanding of the article The Bandit Queen and getting it as a DYK. Awarded 09:23, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, very much. I am pleasantly surprised how well this article turned out. At first, I was just going to try to save it. But as I found bits and pieces about it, I now know I want to rent the movie. I just read something interesting how various studios competed for the Zorro story. Zorro is based upon the Joaquin Murrieta legend. I have a close friend, who is distantly related to the Murrieta's. He's the kind of guy that when he speaks, people listen because he's informed and doesn't BS. In fact, he like me should have his Ph.D. but that's another story. ----moreno oso (talk) 11:17, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Take a number, take a seat...

I see the other one is in queue 6 at present with only a small change to my original hook (security guard→civil servant). Did you know... that your talk page is filling up with DYKs? :) – B.hotep •talk• 08:55, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it went from stalled to in the queues rapidly yesterday. I think another nominating admin had his/her eyes on promoting it to the queues. Carbo is probably close to being one of my masterpieces. ----moreno oso (talk) 11:08, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

BTW, yes, I've noticed that my page is filling with DYKs - that happens when you have no miss bear in your life. ----moreno oso (talk) 11:10, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Tomatocart

I have removed your {{db-web}} tag from Tomatocart, as this criterion does not apply to software. It is true that the software in question is used on web servers, but it is not actually web content. You can, of course, propose deletion via PROD or AfD if you wish. JamesBWatson (talk) 09:09, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

I am unsure about the others and going to do you a favor by not looking at them. Basically, it all comes down to WP:N - notability. Notability for an article is what enables them to stay on Wikipedia. Fail to establish notability and your article can go deletion proceedings. In the case of Tomatocart, notability has clearly not been established which is why the admins have deleted. I only nominate deletions, which is not true either. I look at all articles I come across for notability. If I find it, I help the article along. If I don't sense it (notability) I have a checklist I run that I developed using the WP:CSD page. If as per WP:BEFORE, I can't save it or help it along, it goes to Speedy Delete.

Please note: I said before I only nominate deletions, which is not true either. I do more than nominate articles for deletion. I also perform a number of saves and nominations for DYK when I can. Unfortunately, as with life in general, the complaint department gets more press than all the good I do. Look up my talkpage and you will some of the DYK credits I have received recently (I now have 22 and several more in the pipeline) and several barnstars. I also qualified recently by the number of edits I have and years to be able to display a senior editor status. In about three months, I will qualify for a higher one.

My point to you is:

1. When I build an article, I look first at the notability guidelines. If my proposed article does not have notability, I don't build it.
2. I build first in my userspace area. Only when the final product is ready (well that's a slight lie too - I pushed out several recently to meet other editor's needs - but only when I knew the article was notable).
3. Pray. There is no guarantee another editor will see all the same notability guidelines as you/I do. In my offline notes file, I have what I usually consider necessary the "save info". My userspace files/offline content vary much from the final product. The final product IMHO should not be "thrashed" by lots of scribblings, strike-outs, etc in the classic "I got to turn this paper in and get an "A" from my harshest professor. I am all but published - you know what they call a doctorial candidate who hasn't published? Mister because he's not a doctor. ----moreno oso (talk) 11:06, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Jonas Bergström

Hi! You undid my edit on Jonas Bergström. Can you explain why you did that? I have now reverted your edit. BjörnBergman 15:45, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Sure, I just reverted you as well. The lawyer is not notable in and by himself. He becomes notable upon the marriage but even all that is not guaranteed. In essence you reverted the first redirect which means you could be approaching WP:3RR ----moreno oso (talk) 15:47, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Joaquin Murieta

Hi I am new to Wikipedia. I posted some info about Joaquin Murieta and it looks like you took it off. Was it taken off because it was missing info or ??? As this is my first time using this site. I dont know if I did things right witht he posting. I think that its time for that info to be heard and known.

If there is sonthing difernt I need to do to get it on the site, can you please let me know of help me out. Thank you very much for your time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Whitedozer (talk • contribs) 18:25, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

First, look at the grammar and style of writing you used on my talkpage. Then, please read WP:FIRST and WP:RS. Finally, several other editors, to include one admin I think, have visited the article after me. If they had felt your work notable, they would have reverted me. No, they have proceeded to cleanup the article further. ----moreno oso (talk) 18:46, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Ok, Do I need to reword it? And do I need a notable source? This is just an old family story. If you were to post it how would you pst it. Rememeber I am new to all this. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Whitedozer (talk • contribs) 19:04, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

• (edit conflict)

There's not much if anything that could be done for it. Please read the wikilinked articles I cited above. Basically, when you feel that you understand WP:BEFORE, you will have a good understanding of how to edit here on Wikipedia. Then, take a full look at Juan José Carbó to see how I built this article in my userspace and then transferred it to mainspace once I knew the article had notability. If you want to see how I saved one, please see The Bandit Queen history. Thumb through the history from left to right until you see the full article as it now exists. This will show you how reliable sourced edits are done. ----moreno oso (talk)

Additionally, please sign all your work with four tildes: ~~~~. ----moreno oso (talk) 19:14, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Cuauhtémoc Blanco shoots - he scores

Waka Waka (This Time for Africa)‎ - ¡Vamos al Mundial - vamos a ganar!

It's good to see a 37 year old score in the World cup! – B.hotep •talk• 20:53, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Makes an old bear like me proud!----moreno oso (talk) 20:55, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Rachel Starr

Without explanation, you restored, after I deleted it, the false claim that Starr had won an AVN award. AVN doesn't even give an award of that name, and Starr wasn't even nominated for the relevant AVN award. I'm curious as to why you would do this. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 02:14, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

There was an edit conflict and I restored primarily what the original editor put into the article with the improvements as per my edit summary.----moreno oso (talk) 04:44, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Juan José Carbó

— Rlevse • Talk • 06:02, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Serbia - Germany

Did you see that guy score and jump into the pit? ----moreno oso (talk) 12:10, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

How can you Americans not like this beautiful game?! :D – B.hotep •talk• 13:28, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

(Bear turning right and left) You talking a me? I can make you a deal the Godfather would be proud of. Beats me! ----moreno oso (talk) 13:32, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

US Gold Cup Squad

I've finally managed to find something which I failed to earlier. I could easily find pages refering to the squad being made up of MLS players, but took longer to find one saying it was weaker (which could be argued is a POV). Bevo74 (talk) 13:37, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Sounds like you're getting citations for the cite requests you asked for - which is a good thing. It's a matter of looking for good searches (please see my userpage for my YTrikc_search method to get citations/Google news archived news print. Then, it's a matter of wordsmithing the source to provide a POV free statement that can be cited. Good luck. ----moreno oso (talk) 13:43, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

SVN - USA

Rut row! SVN scored! ----moreno oso (talk) 14:14, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Still lots of time yet. 1-1 or 2-2 will do me! Or 3-3 for a good time. – B.hotep •talk• 14:23, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes. 66 minutes. Someone just jumped on Donovan's article. ----moreno oso (talk) 14:25, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

SVN 2 - USA 0 ===> Is it okay to start whining now? ----moreno oso (talk) 14:51, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

In use template means one editor - an edit conflict just took place

Please respect the template. I am editting the article and need time between my edits. When I am done, other editors can edit the article. ----moreno oso (talk) 14:59, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

This editor just reverted again. He's edit-warring claiming a BLP violation when there is none. ----moreno oso (talk) 15:43, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Netherlands - Japan

Okay match but needs a Gol call.----moreno oso (talk) 12:11, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Wah! ----moreno oso (talk) 12:20, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

1 - 0. ----moreno oso (talk) 12:39, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Ghana - Australia

Hmmmm.

1 - 1. Medio tempo. Univision has its "C" covering this one - boring. ----moreno oso (talk) 15:54, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Montezuma's revenge

He was a nasty piece of work, wasn't he? Not much fun at parties, either. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 22:12, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

You know, alot of my pesky anon IP friends would say I'm a flaming a##hole. Today my butt would be in 100% agreement. ----moreno oso (talk) 22:15, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Oh, now, you didn't sit on a match again? --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 02:30, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Would you believe I also passed a stone last night? I think the frequent need to go alienated my urethra. About three years ago I had some stones and was passing regularly. I got rid off them mostly by changing my diet but every so often one will come to pass. Now I know why one of my buddies used to call them "flaming death" because they burn when they travel the last ten inches. Okay, 9.5. . .----moreno oso (talk) 10:24, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Good to know - I'll bear it in mind, thanks. (And maybe turn vegetarian, or something...) --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 17:09, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Bears naturally love cranberries in the wild. You humans should drink it in the bottle form. What's funny is that most labels will say CB is a natural source of calcium but yet it eats away at calcium. Lemonade is supposed to be the next best thing. When I break into a picnic basket and find the grape variety in a bottle, I'm very happy. ----moreno oso (talk) 17:15, 19 June 2010 (UTC)C

I drink lots of cranberry juice doctor's orders because of some ongoing problems with my urinary system and I get the cranberry juice in the bottle also. Cranberries is one of Wisconsin's cash crops. I hope you are doing well-Thank you-RFD (talk) 18:34, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Aventura

Hey, Brownbear!

There's an edit request at that page. It seems legitimate, but the requester provided no reference. Would you take a look, please? SamEV (talk) 04:32, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

I just answered it. I would recommend providing sources showing who their label from verifiable third-party sources. ----moreno oso (talk) 04:47, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Man, you're good. Thanks! (And just in case you missed it due to cross-posting, see my explanation re: Monsivais, just above). SamEV (talk) 04:52, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Already did. The article led me to believe both as the subject worked as a film critic during the Golden Age of Mexican cinema and most likely knew both. The people he hung with ala Frida, who he wrote an autobiography on, is ecletic at the least and mind blowing at ground speed zero. He even compared himself to Ringo Starr. ----moreno oso (talk) 04:56, 20 June 2010 (UTC)+

Very well. In light of that, maybe you should consider modifying the content to "both of whom admired his work". SamEV (talk) 05:01, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

I plan on putting my comment above your most recent one on its talkpage and leave the sentence as is. It is gramatically correct the way it is. If you have other questions please post here. ----moreno oso (talk) 05:07, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Italy - New Zealand

1 - 1 - Pretty entertaining if you like the last penalty kick with the futboler in their face and pointing to his nose. ----moreno oso (talk) 14:32, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Sacramento editing.

The IP address was me. I forgot to log in. Sorry! The Phantomnaut (talk) 21:33, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

I'd recommend you remove your entry from Sacramento, California. Your band, Trash Talk (band), is non-notable and that was an easy spot. Even the bot reversed you as an anon IP. ----moreno oso (talk) 21:37, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Making such a rapid post after the anon IP kind of suggested a Deathwish Inc.‎. ----moreno oso (talk) 21:52, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Tentacles (novel)‎ - Cryptid Hunters‎

Tentacles (novel)‎ - Cryptid Hunters‎ were both closed as Keep. I wonder who forecast that and if an anon IP would to make the assertion it did that I refused to acknowledge that they weren't notable? ----moreno oso (talk) 00:24, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Wonder if I will get away with this one

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----moreno oso (talk) 00:22, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for John Canon

Materialscientist (talk) 00:03, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Wish I could have laid money on this one at Reno. Sure things are hard to come by. ----moreno oso (talk) 00:05, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Shakira Gitana

Somehow awaking to Shakira singing Gitana seems a plus. I wonder if it's called Gypsy on the English listing? ----moreno oso (talk) 11:23, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Mex - Uru

Ha llego el momento. . . ----moreno oso (talk) 14:07, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

0 - 1 al medio tiempo. :(----moreno oso (talk) 14:51, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Hey

Happy Birthday?  7  14:10, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

No, but a very defining moment in my life. Very proud moment for all involved. ----moreno oso (talk) 14:13, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Here's a hint. ----moreno oso (talk) 14:16, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Well congratulations indeed.  7  14:59, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Well done from me too, and sorry I see you left me a message and I didnt get back in time re DYK. Victuallers (talk)

If you would like to help, maybe you could advance Carlos Monsiváis' DYK nom. He died Saturday and his funeral should be any day now. He has received 10457 hits and has a picture that could be used on the frontpage. It should be Template_talk:Did_you_know#Carlos_Monsiv.C3.A1is. ----moreno oso (talk) 19:48, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Salvador Cristau Coll

Wikiproject Spain's new article Salvador Cristau Coll and its DYK nom Template_talk:Did_you_know#Salvador_Cristau_Coll. ----moreno oso (talk) 05:39, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK

Thanks for the dyk nom for Josephology. In fact, I only got to do that article and look at St. Joseph because you mentioned that topic, else I would have been working on something else. And please do take a look at St. Joseph, since it looks to be almost ready to go, and has some nice art too. Cheers. History2007 (talk) 06:16, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Josephology

— Rlevse • Talk • 12:04, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Adding citations to Jack Gibbons

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The wikipedia entry on "Jack Gibbons" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Gibbons) has the following message at the top of the page which has been there for some time: "This biographical article needs additional citations for verification. Please help by adding reliable sources..." I have accordingly added 8 references, 2 external links and a list of compositions to the entry, fulfilling the above request. I would be happy to add more citation references to back up all quotes and facts in this article if you feel it is necessary. However I feel this page has more than enough citations for you to remove the banner asking for additional citations. Please note that I have not added any subjective material to this entry but merely factually updated the entry and added citations. If you take a look at the following wiki page "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc-Andr%C3%A9_Hamelin" you will see that this page contains only 3 citation references yet to my knowledge it has never had a banner at the top asking for additional citations for verification. Therefore obviously the banner at the top of the "Jack Gibbons" wiki entry is unnecessary and should now be removed. Thanks for your communication. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JackGibbonsPianist (talk • contribs) 07:08, 23 June 2010 (UTC) Jack, 23 June 2010 JackGibbonsPianist (talk) 08:06, 23 June 2010 (UTC) Further to the above note "Adding citations to Jack Gibbons" I have only just realised that you have now added an extra banner to the "Jack Gibbons" wiki page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Gibbons) as follows: "A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject. It may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies, particularly neutral point of view. Please discuss further on the talk page. (June 2010)"\ Morenooso, this is getting ridiculous! The previous banner, which had been on this page for some time, asked for additional citations for verification, so I went to some trouble to learn how to use wikipedia in order that I could provide the citations needed to remove that banner, and now I see there is an EXTRA banner because of my connection to this article, with the previous banner still in place! So I want to make it absolutely clear that all my additions have been completely factual and neutral. I would be very grateful, once you have reviewed my additions and citations, if you would remove BOTH banners. I assume you yourself can see the additions I made today and yesterday, but if it's not obvious I have listed below everything I have added in order that you can see that I am simply updating and providing the necessary citations AS ASKED FOR MY WIKIPEDIA! and not in anyway interfering with the tone or neutrality of this wiki entry: Additions I have made to the "Jack Gibbons" wiki entry: 1) 8 additional references (nos 2 - 9) and a correction of the url to reference no.1 2) Two additional external links added (as further verification of facts already mentioned in this wiki entry): "Recordings of the music of Gibbons" "Gershwin in Focus illustrated lecture written and presented by Jack Gibbons with Sir Ben Kingsley as Gershwin" 3) One sentence added to the opening paragraph, as follows: "On June 21 2010 Davis and Elkins College in Elkins, West Virginia, USA, announced that Jack Gibbons would become the college's Artist in Residence, beginning his tenure in August 2010." (N.B. this additional sentence is backed up by a citation) 4) List of compositions by Jack Gibbons added: 74 works listed under the new headings "Works", "Orchestral", "Songs", "Solo Piano", "Chamber Music" (in the standard formation used by wikipedia on other composer pages). Thanks for your attention to this matter. Jack, 23 June 2010 JackGibbonsPianist (talk) 08:06, 23 June 2010 (UTC) Answered on your talkpage with this DIFF. It appeared last night that you did not read WP:COI as you continued to edit the article. Your refactoring of your talkpage of my comments is very illuminating. ----moreno oso (talk) 16:16, 23 June 2010 (UTC) Thanks for your reply. I am still learning how to use wikipedia (am not an experienced editor) so please bear with me. My additions to this article have been purely factual: citations added and list of compositions added. I have publicly acknowledged the addition on the discussion page of this wiki entry (sorry wasn't aware there was this page before now, nor did I realise I even had a 'talkpage' until today!), and in the light of this, and my above comments on adding of citations I will now remove the tags as I believe I have A) publicly acknowledged my contribution to this page and B) have added further citations. JackGibbonsPianist (talk) 16:38, 23 June 2010 (UTC) I have removed the tags and 'refactored' my talkpage. I am not 'vandalising' this wikipedia entry: I have carefully explained my actions, which have all been strictly within wikipedia guidelines, and have publicly acknowledged them as well. I will no longer be doing any editing or adding to this page. I suggest you re-read my messages and become more informed of wikipedia's policies. Thank you for the discussion. Important! Further to your "final warning" note Dear Morenooso, Re your note: "This is the final warning you will receive regarding your disruptive edits. The next time you remove the maintenance templates from Wikipedia articles, as you did to Jack Gibbons, without resolving the problem that the template refers to, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Do not remove the COI tags again. This is your final warning. --moreno oso (talk) 18:32, 23 June 2010 (UTC)" I will happily address the COI situation to which this refers, and not make any further edits until this is resolved. However you have failed to explain why the maintenance template 'refimproveBLP' has not been removed. Here are wikipedia's own guidelines: "Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Editors who may have a conflict of interest/Non-controversial edits/6. Adding citations, especially when another editor has requested them." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:COI) Please confirm that you agree with this wikipedia statement and that you therefore agree that I have, by adding an additional 8 citations in response to another editor's request, followed wikipedia's own guidelines to the letter in this regard. As such these added citations do NOT involve a conflict of interest and the maintenance template 'refimproveBLP' SHOULD BE REMOVED. As to the other issues of COI to which this warning applies, I would be very grateful if you would please discuss with me whether you regard my editorial additions (listed in their entirety below this message) as contravening wikipedia's declared aim of neutrality. Looking forward to your considered response. To follow are my entire additions to the "Jack Gibbons" wikipedia article, made June 22-23 2010: "On June 21 2010 Davis and Elkins College in Elkins, West Virginia, USA, announced that Jack Gibbons would become the college's Artist in Residence, beginning his tenure in August 2010.

USA 1 - ALG 0

Man, the Univision announcers are "all-over" the game and keep shouting, "USA, USA." ----moreno oso (talk) 14:10, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

They just thought taking away the GOL was cheap. ----moreno oso (talk) 14:22, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Wow, I just had a flashback to the first time I saw grown men eating Kellog's cornflakes with beer at 4 am after an all night sortie. I cringed. Six months later, I was eating the sugar-free variety with my beers. ----moreno oso (talk) 14:31, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Se la pierdo (they missed). ----moreno oso (talk) 14:37, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Zero - Zilch al medio tiempo!!! ----moreno oso (talk) 14:48, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Se la pierdo for the third time by that attacker!!!----moreno oso (talk) 15:24, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

• Donovan shoots. G-O-L!!! ----moreno oso (talk) 15:49, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Final: USA 1 - ALG 0. ----moreno oso (talk) 15:58, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Can Ana María Canseco get any more WP:HOTTIE? She's wearing pink and waving the American flag as she is now a naturalized citizen. ----moreno oso (talk) 16:22, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Kind of cool to hear Landovan speak in Spanish. He said it doesnt' matter who the US faces and "bring it on." ----moreno oso (talk) 18:05, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Don't worry

For one thing, I don't like martinis... --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 16:10, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, he could slip a mickey in your food too. I wouldn't put it past him to put a horse's head and short sheet you at the same time. ----moreno oso (talk) 16:14, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, there I've one-upped him; I've short-sheeted myself. Let's see 'im top that. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 18:23, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Listen, he could wait til you're asleep, get some warm water and dip your fingers in it. That worked about two weeks for a friend I know. We call him, "Wet Willy" as a result. ----moreno oso (talk) 18:26, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, that would work if I actually slept. But I don't. And even if I do, does he need to know about it? --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 21:12, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Then, there's always the "lock the bath room door" trick and glue all the locks. ----moreno oso (talk) 21:15, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

dyk

Thanks for watching that page today. It also resulted in a few people who corrected things in St. Joseph. I am actually getting interested in this topic - I knew nothing about it 2 weeks ago - now there is even a template for it. Cheers. History2007 (talk) 17:28, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

That will happen meaning editors will dissect DYKs. I really believe DYKs should be protected for a couple of days to let the nubees get over the article. The true editors will then take over. You did a real nice job. Hope you employ the userbox thing. ----moreno oso (talk) 17:43, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Rachel Uchitel

Thanks for calling out that I probably did take some abuse. The edits there are getting hard to follow over there. But some editors are simply less civil than others, I am used to it.--Milowent (talk) 17:32, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

You were but crying in the AfD. It's best when an AfD starts to get away from you to walk away. Then, it becomes like it's a Keep, it's good to let the post that forms the Keep votes do the talking otherwise editors will dogpile the rabbit. ----moreno oso (talk) 17:41, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, maybe I contributed a few times to often, because I was getting irritated that the huge 9/11 coverage was being overlooked because 9 years ago is ancient history on the internet.--Milowent (talk) 18:30, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

I think as someone pointed out, most the editors wanted to "conveniently" forget the major notable points: 9/11, Woods, the reaction afterwards to include the dust-up on The View and that she continues to have high-level affairs. I've seen a couple of tertiarty URLs that state Winfrey wanted Woods and her on the show at the same time but nothing WP:RS. If I remember correctly there was a dust-up on Winfrey's show like the View but lower key. It might have been a panel type discussion that eventually mentioned her. The problem is that she seems to be a lightning rod and things happen when she's around celebrities. ----moreno oso (talk) 18:38, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

"Things happen." Indeed they do. :-) --Milowent (talk) 18:39, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

That's also why I mentioned that you should source her article with the best citations from my recent additions. I couldn't believe that one editor on the article talkpage wanted to delete TMZ's citations. Never a good idea especially as her article was poorly sourced. The TMZ stuff helped flush-up other URLs. That's how Behar's citation came about. You should see some of the stuff that popped up today. I did a check to see if I could Oprah. There was a Behar parody URL which had her looking like what she called Uchitel. ----moreno oso (talk) 18:45, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Dmartinaus

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Hi moreno oso -- I would have responded to you comment on Sarah's talk page, but she has asked that I not comment there any more. Just wanted you to know that DMartinaus is editing the page on his talk page at the recommendation of the admin who responded to him about archiving while he is blocked: Tnxman said: "1) Unfortunately, while you are blocked, this is the only page you can edit. If you'd like to start working on an article on this page (below this section, for example), you can do that. 2)This follows on from the first, in that you can't paste content into your archives because of the block. You can, however, enable autoarchiving, as that only involves pasting code onto this page. I hope this answers your questions." -- Minor4th • talk 21:47, 23 June 2010 (UTC) That hardly seems like a justifiable recommendation from another admin. A block is a block and the blockee should be offline for the time of the block. ----moreno oso (talk) 21:51, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Lucía Raynero Morales

— Rlevse • Talk • 06:03, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

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Regarding Carlos Monsiváis

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Congratulations for an incredible article, it is greatly improved. I have left further comments on Talk:Carlos Monsiváis. The paragraph in question (about solidarity with Puerto Rican independence) appears or has appeared verbatim (word per word) in numerous Wikipedia articles. This does not seem right to me, to copy and paste exactly the same paragraph repeatedly. (Specifically, see Eduardo_Galeano#Life, Jorge_Enrique_Adoum#Political_activity, Mayra_Montero#Political_Activism, Ana_Lydia_Vega#Political_Activity, and Pablo_Milanés#Biography.) This is why I recommend editing.--Lawrlafo (talk) 08:48, 24 June 2010 (UTC) Copying and pasting comments is up to the editor. If you look at the generation he is compared to, Pacheco etal, I posted the same comment to two other articles as they don't have much info or even citations in them. As for Monsiváis, at the time of edit, I did not have much on his interaction as a political powerbroker/activist. But, reading his obit led me to believe he was much more involved. It became clearer as I delved into the other cited articles that what he did as a signatory is what the man was all about. Unfortunately, unless one were to delve into and immerse oneself into his bio, you're not going to find detailed sections like that. Check that. As I wrote that last sentence, I realized that I did another legimate "cut-and-paste" into his article about a month ago when I first visited it. He helped fund a museum and in days since his death, I have seen a bit more on what is going on with donation and the museum. What started off as a two citation from another article to his, helped give him a citation that at the time was more current than anything else and which did give his article another citation as he had few prior to his death. BTW, for several of his awards, I also posted a citation that in some cases is the only documented citation for those articles. Want to turn to turn me in for that? Additionally, that visit allowed me the chance to look over his article. I "proofed" everything in the article and decided I would revisit it hopefully to flesh it out. Too bad I didn't get around to that until after he died. ----moreno oso (talk) 10:21, 24 June 2010 (UTC) You have misread the intent of my questions, which is not about "turning anyone in". I was asking a procedural question, hoping that as a more experienced editor you would be able to help me out. I have no idea who wrote the paragraph in question (the one that is reproduced in 6 articles) or who included it in Monsiváis's article. Once again, thank you for your work on the Monsiváis article.--Lawrlafo (talk) 22:25, 24 June 2010 (UTC) No, that's your third BIG mistake with this article. You could have done that in private on my talkpage first or even the LGBT wikiproject. I recommend you stay off my talkpage from here on out. ----moreno oso (talk) 22:35, 24 June 2010 (UTC)