User talk:Miffedpenguin

Welcome!

Hi Miffedpenguin! I noticed your contributions and wanted to welcome you to the Wikipedia community. I hope you like it here and decide to stay.

As you get started, you may find this short tutorial helpful:

Learn more about editing

Alternatively, the contributing to Wikipedia page covers the same topics.

If you have any questions, we have a friendly space where experienced editors can help you here:

Get help at the Teahouse

If you are not sure where to help out, you can find a task here:

Volunteer at the Task Center

Happy editing! :Jay8g [V•T•E] 20:30, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

CS1 error on Liberland

Hello, I'm Qwerfjkl (bot). I have automatically detected that this edit performed by you, on the page Liberland, may have introduced referencing errors. They are as follows:

A bare URL and missing title error. References show this error when they do not have a title. Please edit the article to add the appropriate title parameter to the reference. (Fix | Ask for help)

Please check this page and fix the errors highlighted. If you think this is a false positive, you can report it to my operator. Thanks, Qwerfjkl (bot) (talk) 05:49, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 2024

Hi Miffedpenguin! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor at Liberland that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a specific definition on Wikipedia—it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Thank you. Donald Albury 11:41, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for pointing it out! I'll be sure to remember it next time. Miffedpenguin (talk) 23:23, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I'm The Banner. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to Liberland have been undone because they appeared to be promotional. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a "soapbox" are against Wikipedia policy and not permitted; Wikipedia articles should be written objectively, using independent sources, and from a neutral perspective. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you. The Banner talk 12:10, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Jasmine Sherman for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Jasmine Sherman, to which you have significantly contributed, is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or if it should be deleted.

The discussion will take place at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jasmine Sherman until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.

To customise your preferences for automated AfD notifications for articles to which you've significantly contributed (or to opt-out entirely), please visit the configuration page. Delivered by SDZeroBot (talk) 01:02, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia and copyright

Hello Miffedpenguin! Your additions to Attempts to claim Bir Tawil as a nation state have been removed in whole or in part, as they appear to have added copyrighted content without evidence that the source material is in the public domain or has been released by its owner or legal agent under a suitably free and compatible copyright license. (To request such a release, see Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission.) While we appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia, it's important to understand and adhere to guidelines about using information from sources to prevent copyright and plagiarism issues. Here are the key points:

Limited quotation: You may only copy or translate a small portion of a source. Any direct quotations must be enclosed in double quotation marks (") and properly cited using an inline citation. More information is available on the non-free content page. To learn how to cite a source, see Help:Referencing for beginners.
Paraphrasing: Beyond limited quotations, you are required to put all information in your own words. Following the source's wording too closely can lead to copyright issues and is not permitted; see Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing. Even when paraphrasing, you must still cite your sources as appropriate.
Image use guidelines: In most scenarios, only freely licensed or public domain images may be used and these should be uploaded to our sister project, Wikimedia Commons. In some scenarios, non-freely copyrighted content can be used if they meet all ten of our non-free content criteria; Wikipedia:Plain and simple non-free content guide may help with determining a file's eligibility.
Copyrighted material donation: If you hold the copyright to the content you want to copy, or are a legally designated agent, you may be able to license the text for publication here. Please see Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials.
Copying and translation within Wikipedia: Wikipedia articles can be copied or translated, however they must have proper attribution in accordance with Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. For translation, see Help:Translation § License requirements.

It's very important that contributors understand and follow these practices. Persistent failure to comply may result in being blocked from editing. If you have any questions or need further clarification, please ask them here on this page, or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you. — Diannaa (talk) 18:58, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

December 2024

Hi, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you tried to give a page a different title by copying its content and pasting either the same content, or an edited version of it, into Hwabon station. This is known as a "cut-and-paste move", and it is undesirable because it splits the page history, which is legally required for attribution. Instead, the software used by Wikipedia has a feature that allows pages to be moved to a new title together with their edit history.

In most cases for registered users, once your account is four days old and has ten edits, you should be able to move an article yourself using the "Move" tab at the top of the page (the tab may be hidden in a dropdown menu for you). This both preserves the page history intact and automatically creates a redirect from the old title to the new. If you cannot perform a particular page move yourself this way (e.g. because a page already exists at the target title), please follow the instructions at requested moves to have it moved by someone else. Also, if there are any other pages that you moved by copying and pasting, even if it was a long time ago, please list them at Wikipedia:Requests for history merge. Thank you. – robertsky (talk) 14:32, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And in this case, be aware that "station" is not generally considered to be part of the proper name of a station, and is lowercase. Specific conventions for various countries' railway systems say so explicitly, but it's probably also true for counties that don't have such a convention on the books. Dicklyon (talk) 21:53, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I understand your concerns and I really apologize for what happened. I had admittedly blown a temper when I submitted the article title to be fixed on the dedicated page where you submit technical requests but unfortunately it was denied without explanation. With regards to Korean railway stations, every single other station page on the rail line in question was labeled with 'station' being capitalized - that is how it's capitalized in all english signage posted by the operator of Korean Railways, and I just tried to standardize it.

I did try to move it and it failed. There was an error - probably because there is a redirect there? And I don't really know how to do something about it now.

Also you have (hopefully unintentionally) removed the entire chunk of content that I had added to the article with the right capitalization and I was wondering if it was possible to bring it back.. or even that is against the rules. Miffedpenguin (talk) 01:36, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sometimes good changes do get lost with rollbacks; be patient, and try again without the mistakes. In the case of Korean stations, I'm pretty sure most are lowercase, or were last time I looked, with a few exceptions (in Category:Railway stations in Daegu they're mixed, but more lowercase; in Category:South Korean railway station stubs they're mostly lowercase). What's on the sign is not important; it's how they appear in sentences in English-language sources that's relevant, per MOS:CAPS. Dicklyon (talk) 04:10, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed one of those Stations, and asked at WP:RMTR for the other. Dicklyon (talk) 04:19, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Now I think all the ones in Category:Railway stations in Daegu have lowercase station. Dicklyon (talk) 06:21, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well if that's the case I believe 'Station' should be capitalized after a quick look around english-language news sources..

Seoul Station: "Seoul Station" - Google Search ('station' is uppercase in the article) - First 10 news results are all capitalized 'station's

Hwabon Station (the station in question): "Hwabon Station" - Google Search (Both two english-language results capitalize 'station')

Picking more random stations and searching their use in english language news sources:

Wangsimni Station (station is lower-cased in article): "Wangsimni Station" - Google Search 4 with 'station' as uppercase vs. 3 with 'station' as lowercase.

Doksan Station (station is lower-cased in article): "Doksan station" - Google Search All mentions in English-language sources write 'station' in uppercase.

I believe after taking this quick look that English-language sources published within Korea nearly unanimously use 'station' in uppercase, while sources published outside Korea mostly do not, causing articles to mix their use. However, since most English news articles that feature minutae of Korean railway station are mostly published and written in Korea, uppercase usage outnumbers lowercase usage of 'station'. Even moreso in the case of more rural stations where sources outside Korea have little interest on. Miffedpenguin (talk) 09:07, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seoul Station is capped because it's nearly unanimously so in sources. Most are not, like the 4:3 one you found. Dicklyon (talk) 17:57, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well I'm not sure Hwabon station (and other stations) are supposed to stay with station as lowercase when a supermajority of the English language sources describe them in uppercase.. Miffedpenguin (talk) 00:09, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unless it would be done station by station, which would be a nightmare to sort Miffedpenguin (talk) 00:10, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Finding only 4 sources that mention "Hwabon Station" in sentences doesn't seem compelling, especially when the sign outside the station just says Hwabon, without Station, and this YouTube video has "Hwabon station". Dicklyon (talk) 02:29, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Feels like we need a standard naming convention more than arguing about this. Miffedpenguin (talk) 06:13, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We have one (e.g. WP:USSTATION, WP:UKSTATION, WP:IRLSTATION, just not articulated for every country, and fought over in a few). The standard convention is lowercase station except where sources indicate a consistent capitalization (as in Seoul Station, Penn Station, Union Station). Dicklyon (talk) 06:30, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah and that's why I am suggesting a new convention for Korean ones, mainly because using Station as uppercase is so prevalent here. Given my admittedly rash assumption that it was already such -my initial reaction to lowercase was "what the...?" Miffedpenguin (talk) 06:51, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WT:WikiProject Korea would be a good place to present your proposal. Dicklyon (talk) 04:40, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, there aren't other pages I did that kind of thing with that. Thank you for your notice. Miffedpenguin (talk) 01:37, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]