User talk:Midnightdreary/Archive 1

"Tar"

Thanks for the info on the Poe Toaster, I must not have saw the link leading to the other pages. Once again, thanks, or as we say where I'm from "tar"! SKC 14:05, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Thanks!

Glad to be of any service. I've run into enough angry people that I usually don't take the time to wonder where they're coming from -- too busy implementing the Wikipedia:Revert, block, ignore school of thought in most circumstances. But, if you can find the root of the problem, sometimes a more amicable solution can be reached. Feel free to let me know if you have any more problems. Luna Santin 08:31, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Short story task force question

Not sure that the placing of the wikisource link is hugely significant and I don't have a strong opinion on it. I might be worth asking the question in the wider Novels Project General forum. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 07:49, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

W&J query

re: your query

Personal question... I noticed a tag for this user for W&J College. Are you an alumnus? And I noticed you were tagged as a native/former resident of Massachusetts. It seems that those two worlds seldom meet, but I'm glad I'm not the only one! Midnightdreary 05:37, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi! You're right, as far as I know, it's just you and me... but haven't looked in ages, nor looked at that shelved page. I should clean that up in all likelihood.

Actually I'm a retro-colonist--my horse went eastwards mistaking the sunrise for the sunset with typical Polish-Lithuanian logic. <g> I've been a resident of Massachusetts since '78, but I don't know that that tag connoted 'native'... perhaps it evolved since I played with user tags... that was all of three days or so back long ago now. I really don't have much use for them, but they did give me an introduction to templates.

I actually got introduced to New England by dating W&J co-ed classmates from here in the Boston Area--when I was there at W&J the girl:guy ratio was 1 gal for every 20 guys, as it was just two years into being a co-ed school. (More by email) Thanks for triggering some good memories! Best wishes // FrankB 13:37, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Looking over your user page, seems I better get busy on finishing that user box for a W&J user template... I have to infer you're apparently still enrolled. I downloaded the graphics I needed somewhere on my desk top computer at the office, and never got around to stealing my sons graphics CD to put things together into a proper school logo.

If so, you're living in my back yard so to speak surrounded by loads of my relatives. My sister's an alumni too, and would probably welcome you for an Easter dinner if you have wheels and no other plans. She's a veterinarian in Belle Vernon.

It may shock you to hear this, but I A.P'd out of most English courses at W&J thanks to superb SATs and achievement tests in same... something I regret from time to time these days with the prevalence of cites and all here now. I could use more practice doing research papers.

Think on the intro, I mean that sincerely, and they have warm hearts and sons near your age, as do I. Cheers! // FrankB 13:54, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Big 8

Check it out if you wanna add something or get more specific I can do that for you. Also it was the Big 7 not Big 8 I fixed that as well. Gang14 06:32, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Charles Dickens bibliography userbox

I have gone ahead and replaced the bibliography section in the Charles Dickens article with the template you created - it is far better now and no one has raised any objections to it anyway.

As soon as I saw your username I recognised it was a reference to the Raven. Poe is one of my favourite authors, if not my favourite. I especially like his truly exquisite poems, in fact I am currently waiting for one of his books to arrive which I ordered from the internet some time ago now! Chris Buttigieg 16:59, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Poe and Hollow Earth

Thanks for clairifying that link - I misread the title of the section, and didn't realize that there was a main article link to the popular culture page (if it was a snake, It would have bit me... ;) - I thought the literature section listed was for that purpose. It seems to me that the "Hollow Earth" page on wikipedia must have existed at one time, and then been deleted, so I found a good external link to it, which I have added the entry on the popular culture page. I just read the book, and it got me interested in it's references to poe and other historical figures. If you are a Poe fan - like it looks like, I can't recommend the book enough! Thanks again for the help. Timmccloud 00:03, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Poe and music

Sorry to take so long to respond to you, your message was lost in a flurry. It is possible that you could make a fair use claim for the Beatles Sgt. Pepper album cover, but you would need to go to the image page and give a specific rationale for why this specific image should be in this specific article. The Lou Reed one, not so much, becuase just saying "the title of the album is "The Raven"" tells you just as much relevant information as the front cover of the album does - you're not giving critical commentary on the album's cover art, or anything else that can only be conveyed with that image. Cheers, Mak (talk) 08:15, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Umm... I don't know, I'd think that the Lou Reed album is a better argument. The article is on Edgar Allan Poe's appearances in music - Lou Reed dedicated that entire album to Poe, including these songs based on Poe or his works: "Edgar Allan Poe," "The Valley of Unrest," "The Raven," "The Pit and the Pendulum," "Hop Frog" and arguments could be made for a couple others. Sgt. Pepper's has Edgar on the cover amongst 100 other people and they mention him once in "I Am The Walrus." But I have to edit the image's description to do either one? That sounds odd. Nevertheless, I'll give it a go. -Midnightdreary 15:29, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Using a non-free image under "fair use" is not about which subject is more relevant, but which image adds the most value. The cover of "The Raven" doesn't tell us about all the songs inside which are related to Poe, any more than just saying it in prose does. I think the cover of "Sgt. Pepper" is also very tenuous, but the image is really the subject of the commentary, so it makes more sense to have a picture of it. Do you see the distinction? Mak (talk) 16:23, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Truthfully, no... The subjects of both images are discussed equally in the prose. Neither image really adds to the discussion - but how do images add to any discussion? The cover of Sgt. Pepper's says nothing in addition to what is said in the article, nor does Lou Reed's - but they both illustrate what is being discussed. Frankly, I don't see how, under your argument, an album cover could even be used in an article on the album. I'm not sure what you're expertise on copyright is, but my seven years of publishing tell me these images are a-okay under fair use (no offense, I'm just baffled). -Midnightdreary 17:01, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

shrug. Then both should be removed. Note that legal definitions of fair use and Wikipedia's standards for using non-free content are different. See Wikipedia:Non-free content. If we were a non-free encyclopedia, we would just license this stuff for not so much money. But we're a free encyclopedia, and we want future, possibly not-for-education etc. usage of our content. Using non-free content simply for decoration does not fit in well with our goals, even if you can fit it into legal fair use definitions. Mak (talk) 17:12, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, first, I'd say that it's hardly "fitting into" fair use definitions - it is the definition of fair use, fairly non-forcibly! :) Although decoration is nice, it's not the purpose it serves here. And, even under Wikipedia guidelines, use of these non-free images does not infringe on their commercial content or their ability to profit from that content. Ultimately, Wikipedia is anticipated as a "for educational use" service (it even says so on that link you posted in the first line) and especially because no non-free images would be suitable here (an image of some guy rocking out to Lou Reed on his stereo, perhaps? I'd volunteer, but I actually strongly dislike that album!). Even so, the link you posted is useful. It does say that use of copyrighted album covers is only acceptable when included alongside critical commentary of that work, specifically "not for identification without critical commentary." The vague mention in the article isn't particularly "meaty" enough. With that said, though, I'll probably go in and expand on at least those two listings (Beatles and Lou Reed) to make it Wikipedia compliant. It's good anyway; we've been trying to do more than just bullet listings and actually include relevance to topic, context, etc. This has been a good discussion, so thanks! -Midnightdreary 17:28, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

EAP template and other EAP GA considerations

I can't say I'm too keen about the picture at the right - it throws off the rest of the formatting. What do you think is good about your test template, as opposed to the old one? Oh, btw, I've given you some feedback at Talk:Death of Edgar Allan Poe. If you put the Death of EAP article up for WP:GA, the main Edgar Allan Poe may be put up for good article review because it's got some {{fact}} tags in it. So you may need to go through Edgar Allan Poe with a few texts by your side before you put the Death of Edgar Allan Poe up for GA. -Malkinann 00:41, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Katherine Mansfield

Not bad, but can you rearrange them chronologically, with the date of publication? Btw I don't think it would be good to have the dates appear before the titles. Also, there are more stories so would people be able to add more later? And I would suggest changing the 'works' heading for 'short stories', since she wrote other stuff as well. Would people be able to expand this template to other works (with another heading, if you know what I mean)?Zigzig20s 17:54, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

I've fixed it but I am a bit unsure about how to add it to her page...Zigzig20s 19:43, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks.Zigzig20s 20:44, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for you warm welcome - As you suggested I logged in. I am still not too happy with The Philosophy of Composition, but I have to do some other stuff. So I'll look at it later again. --Kaffeeringe.de 16:02, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Hancock Manor

Hello. I see Daderot, the resident MA architecture specialist, is gone at the moment, so let me ask you: do you happen to know anything more about the manor or see any way the rather short article could be improved? I remember reading some years ago that it was supposed to be a Governor's mansion (which Mass. currently doesn't have), and certainly there's more to say about its role during the Revolutionary period, its long decline, and the great controversy surrounding its demolition. Anyway, if you can come across anything, I would definitely appreciate it. Biruitorul 07:08, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

OK, not a problem, and thanks for your reply, which led me to clarify a point - the State House was going to be built on the land; the mansion was going to remain on the grounds, but remained in private hands. That did in fact happen in 1798, when today's State House was built, and the Manor stayed with the owners until the 1860s, when it was torn down. Anyway, it's a fairly obscure building but thank you for resolving to keep an eye on things. Biruitorul 22:55, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Philadelphia Invite

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The Valley of Unrest (1831)

Hello, I just read Poe's "The Valley of Unrest", and then decided to see what could be found on wikipedia about it. I saw your entry on it in Poems by Edgar Allan Poe, and thought that something was strange. Firstly, I am not sure if I agree that "The speaker asks if all things lovely are far away, and that the valley is part Satan, part angel, and a large part broken heart". Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, I find no reference to "a woman named 'Helen'" in the poem. Just thought I'd point out this to you, in case something is wrong. Dr bab 20:09, 26 June 2007 (UTC).

I found a text for "the Valley Nis", and it is indeed quite different from "the Valley of unrest". I split the entry into two separate entries. In addition I fixed it so that the table of contents stands by itself at the beginning of the article, if I interpreted your editing comments correctly, you had tried to do something like this before. I am not sure what is the best solution though, because like it stands now, it looks a bit strange since the TOC is so large. But I was not happy with the way it was before either.. Dr bab 11:35, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello again. What you suggest makes sense. If only one of the poems are generally included in anthologies (as it was in my book), then a single entry seems appropriate. It might be interresting to find out why only one of the two poems are included though, since the two poems, while clearly related, are quite different. I certainly think we should wikisource both of the poems, regardless. I merged the two entries now. Feel free to improve or alter it any way you choose.

About the TOC, as I said before, I am not very happy with either of the two alternatives. I went for the current one on the basis of my (appearantly unfounded) assumption that it was your preference. I will remove the {{-}}, so that we return to the case were the TOC cuts into the text, at least for now. Maybe we will find a better solution in the future.

I may not see too much of a computer the coming ten days, as I will be away from home, but I will try and pop by and see how things develop. Cheers,Dr bab 21:41, 28 June 2007 (UTC).

Tamerlane

In the wikisource-document, there is no mention of anyone named Ada. Is this another case were something has been left out between the two versions? (i.e. is Ada mentioned in the 1827 version?) Dr bab 08:21, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Yup, it's been fixed on the page. Remember that Poe published sometimes a dozen versions of each of his works during his lifetime. Some had relatively minor changes, some (like "Tamerlane," which evolved over twenty years) were like entirely new works. --Midnightdreary 13:41, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

The Pit and the Pendulum (1961 film)

Thank you for the barnstar! I will feature it on my user page with pride.-Hal Raglan 02:20, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

The Gambler's Wife

I'll see if I can find the source for that... I'd suspect any modern bio wouldn't mention it since he didn't write it. I know publishers in the early-mid 1800's (and maybe even later) occasionally published books by unknown authors under the name of a known author to boost sales.--Isotope23 14:52, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Sullivan's Island

The Wikipedia convention is to write the titles of literary works in italics and only direct quotations or chapter headings in "quotes". See the formatting conventions in the Tutorial.

The Gold Bug is a title and not a quote from a larger work, and should be in italics, as shown in the Edgar Allan Poe article. It should be written the same way in the Sullivan's Island article.

Death of Edgar Allan Poe GA?

I think we should just bite the bullet and nominate this article for GA. The worst that can happen is it can fail, right? Just thought I'd ask first.-Malkinann 03:54, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

How to move article to different name

How do you move an article to a different title? I think Bill Bell should go straight to William J. Bell, the television producer, who was always called "Bill Bell" and known by that name. I see no legitimate reason why the mayor of a town of 250,000 should get precedence over a nationally known man whose created shows are watched by 15 million people or so a day and who is actually famous worldwide for creating those particular shows. I came to you because you changed the title of the article Ron Stephens after I forgot to capitalize the S. "Bill Bell" should either go to a disambiguation page, maybe the William Bell disambiguation page, or, preferably, go directly to William J. Bell and the Durham mayor's article should go to William V. Bell, his full name. Thanks for some help on this! I love Edgar Allan Poe as well and I was pleased to see your username.--Gloriamarie 05:40, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: Virginia Eliza Clemm Poe

Regarding the referencing system. The References section is meant to list information about each book source, including the ISBN and publisher, which would be (in my opinion) cumbersome to iterate in the Notes section.

For readability, I'm going to add the book title to the notes. Feel free to tell me what you think (when I'm done). Gracenotes^T § 13:48, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Francis Julius LeMoyne

Thank you for your contributions. I can't wait to see it on the DYK page. I find it a very interesting tidbit of American history. DeeKenn 15:35, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Dover Beach

I notice you are a member of the Poetry Project. Please be aware of the previously untagged page Dover Beach. There has recently been a lot of discussion around the inclusion of a caveat about analysis by an anon editor, whose edits to poetry related articles you may wish to review. The talk page is hard work and contains a large amount of notes by the named editor who has been editing the article recently, alongside the Matthew Arnold article, so a large amount of those do not relate to the issue in hand and may be skipped. I would very much appreciate you taking a look at this. Thanks.--Alf ^melmac 23:42, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

A Personal Note

Thanks for the Poe expertise while we were in Philly! So glad we visited the site. Your thoughts and opinions are absolutely going to inform the way some of the things in the Poe project are done. Great to hear another voice, especially where "real life Poe" and Griswold are concerned. The Wiki Poe pages were a large part of how the project started, so ... extra cool. We have some plans for historic sites in October, so you can imagine we are in a bit of a writing scramble right now. I wanted to be sure to connect though. I'm still a bit of a new Wiki user, so I want to be careful of protocol - I'll keep an IM eye out for you, or let me know if another mode is more appropriate or efficient. AdkNorth 19:06, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Chivers

You did an excellent job on the Thomas Holley Chivers article! I expanded the bibliography and added a picture. Algabal 01:48, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Poe illustrations or covers

I seem to remember recommending it where the short story was published seperately. And that should be in frist edition ideally. These are surely just illustrations and not from first editions at that. I agree that they are notable illustrations. Particularly in that at least some are by Aubrey Beardsley, however they should be included and normal article illustrations not as first edition infobox cover which they are not as far as I can tell. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 15:27, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Short answer is yes - they are certainly worth keeping in my view. By the way the only other think that tends to be used in lew of a cover is a title page. Again something taht appears when published seperately. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 16:13, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Cape Cod Highland Lighthouse

Yes the two articles refer to the same lighthouse. The longer doesn't cite references or anything so I'll sit down and merge the two with full referencing etc. Will take me a week or so but now top of my list of things to do. Phil aka Geotek 16:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Not sure what to do here, whilst checking for references, I found that the article Highland Light is just a straight copy from the article at Highland Lighthouse historyand is therefore breaking copyright and should be deleted...... not yet too familiar with procedures..... can you help

thanks in advance Phil aka Geotek 19:45, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply, the problem is that the whole article is just a straight word for word lift of the text from the web site which makes it difficult to edit and cite..... will have go at doing something with it. Phil aka Geotek 23:31, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

Thanks for the barnstar! I really appreciate it! (I like the Woman part - points out that wikipedia has a few POVs, eh?) :) Awadewit | talk 16:56, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

MIT mergers

I am soliciting comments on a spate of proposed MIT mergers from editors like yourself who have made significant contributions to university-related articles. Madcoverboy 19:32, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

The Tell-Tale Heart

I revised "The Tell-Tale Heart" per your talk page comments and replied on the talk page. Thank you for the help. Conrad T. Pino 13:43, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Jabberwocky

Thanks so much for the feedback. The poor article had been abandoned. Better late than never :) --Esprit15d 12:39, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

An amiable retortion

Please excuse the maladroitness of my source enumeration; for, I must confess, I do seldom contribute to this vast and resplendent encyclopedia and thus, fail to abide by many a rudimentary law. Nevertheless, casting all banter aside, the aforementioned photographs were gleaned from a 1900 print of James A. Harrison's Life and Letters of Edgar Allan Poe (including divers photographs, engravings, facsimiles and so forth). In point of fact, if you are interested in the Poe Marriage Bond, it is located here : Image:PoeMarriage.JPG.

-- Nalco 13:39, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Post scriptum : Moreover, Image:JohnAllan.JPG (a silhouette of John Allan). I also have an engraving of Maria Clemm (mother of Virginia, aunt to Edgar), a facsimile of The Conchologist's First Book or, A System of Testaceous Malacology title page, the University of Virginia Faculty Record regarding hotel keepers drinking and gambling with students (one of the students being Poe -- 20 December 1826), a bust of Mrs. John Allan, &c.

Volià : Image:Conchologist1.JPG —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nalco (talk • contribs) 14:15, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: The Raven

Hello, you were right; apostrophes do in fact remain inside the link. I have not idea why I thought otherwise, thanks. The article is in good shape, it appears well structured to me. But I do think there are some minor setbacks which we will need to take up on before it passes – only trifling little things which tend to have a big effect. And I am going to wait a bit before voting to ensure that any concerns are dealt with. Regards, -- Chris B • talk • contribs 13:14, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

A suggestion: consider adding a section on 'Further Reading' to the article. Presumably you have some worthwhile comprehensive books on the topic. :) -- Chris B • talk • contribs 20:35, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

If I was you I would leave the {{main}} template as it is, or perhaps consider changing it to {{further}}. They sometimes look sloppy, although it seems fine to me in this instance. And the weasel word section is far better now by the way. -- Chris B • talk • contribs 12:34, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your appreciation, and thanks for actually doing the work of reading through the scholarship and citing things in the first place! :) -Malkinann 23:57, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

The Raven web citations

I've given them a lash, and hopefully they look a bit more aesthetic to the FA mob. I've been giving Arthur Pym a bit of a go over - I studied French a bit in school, but I'm worried that I can't make translated French sound like proper English, with the grammar and what have you. Could you please have a bit of a looksee and copyedit soonish? I'd feel happier about translating and adding to the article, if by the end it hasn't become an agrammatic schermozzle. Ta. :) -Malkinann 07:35, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Penn Foster College

Midnightdreary, I have been editing the Penn Foster College article in order to clean it up and make it less advertising. Would you please view it and if you agree remove the advert tag. Thanks. Taylor W. —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 14:37, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Midnightdreary, I thank you for your help. Taylor W. 14:55, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Poe

Well, I haven't done enough digging to absolutely confirm the Night Gallery story was inspired by Poe, but it certainly seemed so at the time, and someone else arrived at that conclusion independently, in the IMDB article I cited. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 04:49, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

An excellent suggestion. I have now done so. I'm reminded of a Mad magazine item (how's that for high literature?) in which they were doing nursery rhymes in the style of classic poets. Referring to The Bells, there was this: "Old King Cole / Was a merry old soul / Old King Cole, Cole, Cole, Cole, Cole, Cole, Cole." I wonder if there's room for that somewhere? :) Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 05:15, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

I always thought The Bells was kind of silly, and apparently the Mad creators thought so, too. It's important to keep in mind that even classic artists had their bad days. Beethoven wrote a ton of great music, but an old friend once said to me that a lot of his piano pieces sounded like somebody just practicing. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 08:35, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

RE:The Raven FAC

I'm not sure what you mean. My comment was that I wanted some confirmation that the London Critic really is an American publication, since the name suggests its British. You should also be aware of the fact that FAC discussions are not or at least should not be votes. An article should be promoted, even if there are very supports, if there are no actionable objections.--Carabinieri 00:49, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

The sentence I was referring to is "Following this publication the poem appeared in periodicals across the United States, including the New York Tribune (February 4, 1845), Broadway Journal (vol. 1, February 8, 1845), Southern Literary Messenger, (vol. 11, March, 1845), London Critic (June 14, 1845), Literary Emporium (vol. 2, December, 1845), Saturday Courier, 16 (July 25, 1846), and the Richmond Examiner (September 25, 1849).[33]" The London Critic is still listed there.--Carabinieri 01:35, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Dates

Although no expert I have done a lot of work with dates and encouraged others to do so too. As well as the formatting issue (which seems to be OK, apart from one "January 19th" in the Poe Toaster), the key principle is context. So the question you have to ask yourself is "Will the link I provide, allow people to put the event in context?" It is for this reason I try and add the "years in film/literature" links (as you can see in Poe in Popular Culture), rather than just a year link, as you can put a book into better context by looking at the other publications and events that year (and the book should probably be listed there) and the year in page will link through to the actual year so people can click through if they need to. In the case of the Death of Edgar Allan Poe entry you have dates like October 7 and I can't see what context that is giving you. If it was October 7 1849 then it might be helpful but just seeing other events that have occurred on that day throughout history doesn't provide much context (and might be confusing (those entries are usually better for linking from them to other articles not the other way round).

Sooooo long story short it is a simple fix - remove all of the links to days of the week. Then have a look at the others with the context question in mind and link in years where it'd be useful - 1875 doesn't seem to be, 1885 might be. So you could possibly remove all the date links except the first 1849 (which would be erring on the side of caution at least for the run up to the GA assessment).

I can do the edits if you like but if you keep the context principle in mind it should be fairly straightforward. (Emperor 12:23, 6 October 2007 (UTC))

EJO thanks

Many thanks for your comments on my article at Wikipedia:Peer review/Elsie J. Oxenham/archive1. I am very grateful for your input, and have addressed several of your points already. Will do some more work over the next few days. Thanks again :) --Abbeybufo (talk • contribs) 09:17, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Poe

What a great work on him. Keep on it. Your spanish friend. Sürrell. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.53.144.248 (talk) 16:52, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

"The Visionary"

Regarding your revert on Bibliography of Edgar Allan Poe, perhaps the alternative title "The Visionary" should be added to "The Assignation"? Poe, like many writers, never stopped working on his writing, often revising time and again a poem, an essay, or a story. It was common for Poe to change both text and title of his work in subsequent publication, sometimes caving to the demands of the editor. That is one problem that makes determining the authorized text of any of Poe's writing difficult for experts today. I believe there is value in knowing the various titles a work was published under. Thanks. meta_faye 22:55, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I support the addition of alternative titles in "()" notation, as in "The Assignation" ("The Visionary"). I wasn't able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt at 2am this morning that "The Visionary" was the same as "The Assignation". :) Thanks for catching that. I do think title changes are worthy of a mention -- you never know what title you're going to see in a publication/book, especially if it's of a certain age. meta_faye 00:37, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Poe Scandal

Hi, Thanks for your edits to Elizabeth's, Frances's and Anne's articles. Why do you think there is no mention of the famous affair Poe had with Frances Osgood -"The Valentine"- in his article? It seemed to ostracize him from the literati of New York society and forced him to leave NYC. It seems to be well documented. Interested in your opinion. Thanks, - Epousesquecido 15:21, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick response, I have enjoyed researching and writing about all these ladies. That era fascinates me and I plan to continue. My intent is to add the scandal to the Poe article, but it is not first on my to do list. I hope someone (maybe you) beats me to it. I look forward to reading your edits. Please contact me if you need any help with Poe or other members of the New York City literati. I think Ann S. Stephens needs some work?? - Epousesquecido 19:50, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up on "A Valentine". I would have never seen it. It must have been quite a drama at the time, Poe was such a naughty boy. - Epousesquecido 02:55, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the link, I used that as a reference in the Ellet article. Because most of my women are tied to Poe in one way or another, a lot of my research comes from Poe's life because there is so much more info about him. BTW, I am gathering info on Ann Stephens for my next project. - Epousesquecido 15:33, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/King Crimson

At the above FAC, you asked to be notified when work was done on the prose. While not affiliated with the nomination, other than reviewing it during Peer Review and supporting the FAC, I did a copy-edit. It looks like a well-done article so I'd hate to see it fail. The nominator has not been active since 14 September so it may be up to us to see it through. The FAC has been open since 8 August! If you can provide any assistance I'm sure it would be appreciated by someone, somewhere. --maclean 01:30, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Greetings from the E. A. Poe Society of Baltimore

Greetings from the Poe Society, and good luck with your Poe projects. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.111.90.36 (talk) 19:15, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

American Gods

I've currently loaned the book to a friend, so I had to look through amazon to find the right edition. This is the one:

Paperback: 672 pages
Publisher: Headline Review; Re-issue edition (19 Sep 2005)
Language English
ISBN-10: 0755322819
ISBN-13: 978-0755322817 amazon link

Hopefully that's the info you need. Mikkel 16:21, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Z. Collins Lee

Believe we have a copy of a letter at Sully that mentions Z. Lee as a pallbearer. I will check and get back to you. Thanks! Sonofkenny 18:58, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Death of Edgar Allan Poe

Sorry about that, i've been busy, i'm actually going out RIGHT NOW (japanease class) i'll be back in a couple of hours and i'll review the article first thing. It looks really good, there are some minor details ("is clouded in mystery" sounds too informal, the lead should have some references, etc) so i'll probably put it on hold. I'm a nice reviewer, i'll help you out fixing the minors and you'll have a GA in no time!. Yamanbaiia 15:12, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Edgar Allan Poe and Chess

Hi! There is an article on E. A. Poe in a Polish chess encyclopedia - Litmanowicz, Władysław & Giżycki, Jerzy (1986, 1987). Szachy od A do Z. Wydawnictwo Sport i Turystyka Warszawa. ISBN 83-217-2481-7 (1. A-M), ISBN 83-217-2745-x (2. N-Z), pages 923-924. 1. "Zabójstwo przy ulicy Morgue" (checkers and chess) 2. "Maelzel's Chess Player" ("The Southern Literatury Messenger", April 1836) - see, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Turk Best wishes, Mibelz 18:28, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Greetings. Mibelz asked me for my opinion on this also. I would simply say that I agree with you. In truth, it's a list that makes a general statement about the popularity of chess, but maybe doesn't stand up to close scrutiny. I guess the people listed could be said to have shown at least an interest in chess, but claiming they were/are all avid chess players is probably stretching the point. In the case of Madonna, I have noted her name crop up in chess articles many times and it is an established fact that Guy Richie took lessons from Scottish master Alan Norris, but to describe her as an avid player is simply nonsense. The video to one of her singles features a prominent and stylish chess set, but if you look closely, the board is actually set up the wrong way round ... hardly the hallmark of a keen player. I will suggest a change of wording on the discussion page and take it from there. Thanks for pointing it out. Brittle heaven 01:01, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Having had a look at your page I think I may be, at least in part, a gnome. Thanks for the appreciation, and the cookie. Millichip 19:03, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

W&J Greek Community

Hey, I fixed that POV problem with W&J's Greek section. Who do you think wrote that obvious advertisement? --Eshatologist 17:42, 14 November 2007 (UTC)Eshatologist

An amiable bestowal

The following lines may be of service or, perhaps, interest to you : 'As a writer in Scribner's Monthly, reviewing Gill's Life of Poe puts it : 'It is now well ascertained that Poe's intoxication was a thing caused by even the smallest quantity of wine, and took the form of terrible despondency or of strange and highly intellectual but deranged orations, on abstruse subjects, and that he was a kind husband ... (extracted) ... The excessive susceptibility to liquor is to be charged probably to his father, who was a drinker; and Poe's descent from an old line of Italian nobles who went to Normandy and thence to Ireland, mixing their peculiar traits with the ardor, the simplicity, the power affections of Irish character, may account for his keen sensitiveness, as well as for some of his metrical predilections. --- Cancularius

Poe's lineage is incredibly interesting and it always surprises me how much research has been done into his national ancestry over the past century and a half. I've heard that he was Russian, German, French, Irish, British, and that his family came over from the Mayflower! --Midnightdreary 14:53, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

In fact, this account hails from some 20 years post the man's death. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.229.165.238 (talk) 03:53, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Which still falls into the 150 year window I opened, doesn't it? Keep in mind, of course, that William Gill has never been much respected in the Poe scholarly community. Ultimately, I'm not really sure why you were pointing this out to me, though. I, for one, am fairly content with calling Poe an American... but, this isn't a general discussion board, this is for discussion of Wikipedia articles. --Midnightdreary 03:57, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Paul Revere's Ride

I noticed you removed the text of Paul Revere's Ride per WP:L&P. I thought you should know that "You should include lyrics and poetry whose copyright has expired. Generally, these expire in all countries (except Colombia, Guatemala, Mexico, and Samoa) when all of the following conditions are satisfied" per L&P. I won't re-add the lyrics right now without discussing. ~Sasha Callahan _(Talk) 04:30, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

You're right! I could've sworn it said something about exercising common sense based on length of the poem, even if copyright-free. I must be thinking about a different guideline. Either way, the poem wasn't formatted properly... but I'd suggest taking a look at "The Raven", which recently passed as a featured article and which does not include the full poem text. Ultimately, I'm not sure what it would add to an article about the poem that a link to Wikisource can't. --Midnightdreary (talk) 04:36, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Spring Garden or no Libs

I'll look it up and see. Email me and I'll send you the Planning Commissions neighborhood guide. --evrik ^(talk) 18:02, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Eureka

Hey...I really enjoyed reading the article. Hope it finds itself to the FA page someday. I was a bit confused with the first sentence in "Analysis" though...it read a little weird with the two "specifically"s. 140.247.131.86 20:16, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! I went ahead and fixed that sentence a bit - I hadn't noticed the redundancy. I hope it makes more sense now! --Midnightdreary 20:55, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Commas

To put a comma after the year in dates like January 1, 2001, is standard practice. I could have sworn I saw it someplace in the MoS, but I haven't been able to find it again. I have my MLA open on my lap, and it says, "If you begin with the month, be sure to add a comma after the day and also after the year, unless another punctuation mark goes there, such as a period or a question mark." Now I have my AP Stylebook open, and it says, "When a phrase refers to a month, day and year, set off the year with commas." Hang on while I climb two flights of stairs and fetch my Chicago.

OK, I'm back. The Chicago says, "In the month-day-year style of dates, the style most commonly used in the United States and hence now recommended by Chicago, commas are used both before and after the year." I also was taught to do this in grade school, and who are we to question Mrs. Bleidorn? You'll see every kind of mistake in featured articles; that's why I like to jump on them just before they hit the street, so to speak. I'll keep trying to find the MoS entry, but I'm not sanguine. The MoS is an imperfect document, to be charitable about it. But this comma is well-established convention. --Milkbreath (talk) 11:31, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

About the AP Stylebook, I use that only as a reference for journalistic style, not as a style guide for any other writing. The only time I would follow its prescriptions would be if I was writing or editing something for a newspaper. --Milkbreath (talk) 13:53, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Lolita's Raven

Congrats on the FA for raven. But a question: I've recently read Lolita, and can't for the life of me remember anything about The Raven. Possibly there's a passing reference in there somewhere - Vlad was an allusive chap - but it's missing from my mind. Where exactly does Lolita make a reference to Poe, and, more importantly, is it a major one? PiCo (talk) 12:54, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

This has been discussed before. The short answer is "I don't know." The long answer is, "I still don't know, but I had a source that mentioned it." I wish I could be more helpful! --Midnightdreary (talk) 13:07, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Edgar Allan Poe

I just started looking through this article. It's not bad; the majority of my changes so far have been punctuation tweaks. You know, that "logical punctuation" stuff Americans don't care about. :)

I think the most substantial thing I've done was removing the exact date of his wife's death from the lead. It just didn't sound right in that sentence, and we don't have any other precise dates in the lead besides Poe's birth and death.

I do have a question about this line: "Howard wrote a letter to Allan, but he was unsympathetic." I assume "he" refers to Allan, but one could also interpret it as referring to Howard. (Maybe Howard's letter was written in a half-hearted manner.) Which is it?

Send me a message if you disagree with any of my changes. Zagalejo^^^ 07:42, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I took care of that ambiguous pronoun - the rest of your edits were excellent and sorely needed! I've just started noticing this whole "logical punctuation" thing on Wikipedia in the past week or so... if I'd known, I'd have been following it all along! :) Anyway, thanks so much for taking a look! I think I'm ready to put it up for FA review! --Midnightdreary 13:11, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Eureka: A Prose Poem

I've reviewed and GA passed the article. Good job and an interesting read. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 20:17, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

WP:UNI/COTF

Please place your name in the UNI/COTF Active Editors section if you would like to be contacted regarding RfCs, news, notices, etc that are pertinent to the COTF project. Thanks! - Jameson L. Tai ^{talk ♦ contribs} 11:27, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Re:The Raven

Yes, actually, it is too large. I suppose the MOS issue is flexible enough to accommodate consensus. Thanks for your note. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:39, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Cool. We'll see; that image has actually gotten a lot of editing attention lately. Maybe someone out there knows better than me, but I kinda like it the way it is right now. --Midnightdreary (talk) 17:06, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Edgar Allan Poe sprotected

I semi-protected Edgar Allan Poe. I hope it would help your work on the article. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:45, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Philly meetup 6

I'm working on planning the sixth Philadelphia meetup, and I'm looking for ideas and votes about the place and location. Since you RSVP'd for the last one I thought you might like to weigh in. Thanks, and I hope to see you there! --TexasDex ★ 22:41, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

TFA Discussion

Please see Wikipedia:Long range TFA requests and Wikipedia talk:Long range TFA requests. You may wish to post other Poe-related TFA requests here. Sarsaparilla (talk) 03:48, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Re: Poe

Hi Midnightdreary, I'm Jay. Nice to meet you :) I've been watching the progress of your Edgar Allan Poe article at FAC, and saw your most recent comments. I hope you don't mind me appearing unannounced at your user page with some ramblings: first, you've done a truly excellent job with all your Edgar Allan Poe work. Second, you're wondering why it's such a difficult process? I hope I can shed some light. The reason is not that you're doing anything wrong, but rather that Poe is such an important article that people care about it a lot. There's a list called WP:VITAL that tracks the "1000 most important articles on Wikipedia" and Edgar Allan Poe is, of course, one of them. If you look at the list, you can see that very few editors ever even attempt to take one of these articles to featured status. It's one of the hardest challenges on Wikipedia. On these important articles, the discussions often get very long, and they sure can be very discouraging and intimidating. Look, for example, at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Encyclopædia Britannica/archive2. Yikes, right? The length of the conversation doesn't mean that people think you are doing bad work. On the contrary, you're doing a great job on one of the most difficult articles on all of Wikipedia. I'm extremely impressed with the work you've done (I'm not the only person either, I'm sure) and really encourage you to keep at it. And think about this: it's Poe. Even though you'll never hear from most of them, literally thousands (if not millions) of students from middle school to college are going to read this article over the years. For some it will be their first introduction to Poe and they'll be absolutely fascinated; your article will be the gateway into his many worlds. That's powerful stuff — of which you should be very proud. --JayHenry (talk) 19:03, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

True, and I'm glad to see Poe recognized as of vital importance - though I've been tackling it for more personal egocentric reasons. I have some doubt that the FAC reviewers responses are really keeping its Wiki-importance in mind but who knows? I think Poe may have to be put aside to await an editor with more patience than I. Thank you, nonetheless, for the words of encouragement. --Midnightdreary (talk) 03:32, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

The WikiProject Universities Newsletter: Issue IV (December 2007)

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Happy New Year

Happy New Year!

Happy New Year, Midnightdreary/Archive 1. May 2008 bring you many successful edits, featured articles, and less disagreements! Stay safe, and watch those broken bottles on the floor.

- Jameson L. Tai ^{talk ♦ contribs} 05:54, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

The American Poetry Club

Note to self: do not Wiki while still half asleep: I accidentally posted this to the Walt Whitman talk page and I have no idea how that happened. Whoops!

I see you've done wonders with Poe and have now begun to give the same treatment to Whitman; how wonderful! These guys certainly deserve the attention and your work is admirable. I'm making my way toward a Peer Review and hopefully an FAC nom with Dickinson and I've recently begun slogging through Crane -- Stephen, that is, not Hart (although he too should be on the list). Perhaps we should begin an American Poetry Club (tm)? :) Happy New Year and best of Wiki Karma to you! María (habla conmigo) 16:04, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm inspired in part by the folks at the Poetry Wikiproject, trying to make that a more legitimate and useful project. Truth be told, I'm not much of a Whitman fan (he only wrote one book!) but I understand his importance. And it's nice working on a subject that's a little more distant to me personally, for once. I've noticed some great work on Dickinson, so keep it up yourself! --Midnightdreary (talk) 03:28, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey, thanks. :) Funny that you mention not being too big of a fan of Whitman, because, honestly? Dickinson leaves me almost completely cold. It really is a matter of their importance to literature, how many shelves in the library (five for Dickinson in my uni's lib) are dedicated to these authors, and how poor the state of the articles are before we get there. It's very gratifying! Perhaps I should join this Wikiproject if I decide to continue with poet biographies -- for example, I see that Henry Wadsworth Longfellow is in a rather sad state, tsk. María (habla conmigo) 04:33, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Hola, just a note to say thanks for your thoughtful comments on the Dickinson PR! I replied to all of your points and am now staring at the lead, wishing it to expand but not knowing how to poke and prod it into action. Any advice would be helpful, fellow member of the APC. :) María (habla conmigo) 03:01, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Eastern State Penitentiary

Got ur message about Eastern State Penitentiary article in flux. Thanks. No problem, pasted my new material in again, arranged a bit better too. doncram (talk) 01:49, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Just cos

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Whitman

You obviously have a keen interest in poetry... The Raven is one of my favorite as I imagine is yours. =] On the issue of criticism of Leaves of Grass, my only comprehensive source would have to be the Wikipage. I'm sure we can find a good source... here's a few sentences from Answers.com that explain part of the reception: "...it at first met with a mixed critical reception... its form and content departed markedly from poetic conventions of the day." [1] CaseyPenk (talk) 05:37, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

As far as I know, answers.com tends to be a mirror site of Wikipedia - in others words, it's displaying our article (or maybe an older version of it) so it's not really helpful. Anyway, yeah, I'm looking for more info on critical reception for Leaves - my impression was the same as yours, that criticism was mixed and probably leaning towards negative. My research thus far has proven otherwise: the original edition of Leaves seems to have been met with a relatively positive response, especially from other writers. --Midnightdreary (talk) 04:36, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Poems by Poe (1831)

Hi, I have gotten myself kind of spun up about some titles of poems by Botta that I have put on Wikisource, so I have been looking at how Poe was done. It seems to be the same issue to me and I am curious about your opinion. When Poe's book "Poems" was published in 1831 there were poems such as FAIRY LAND., THE DOOMED CITY., and ISRAFEL. with all caps and a period. On Wikisource they are called Fairy-Land, The Doomed City, and Israfel. Why haven't we preserved the titles in their original form? - Epousesquecido (talk) 22:02, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

First, I really don't think their display method is indicative of their actual titles. Beyond that, Wikipedia does strongly promote using common titles, especially keeping in mind that we're writing an encyclopedia for the masses - they need to be able to find what they are looking for. Besides that, common sense seems to be worth considering here. --Midnightdreary (talk) 04:35, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you kind sir for your response, I will take it to heart. - Epousesquecido (talk) 04:52, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Anytime... it's always great corresponding with you! Best of luck! --Midnightdreary (talk) 04:54, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Poe

Midnightdreary: I leave it up to you, but you might want to even just mention in the lede how insignificant The Narrative of Arthur Gordon Pym of Nantucket was amongst his works. I was surprised that he only ever wrote the one novel, and that it didn't do well, didn't make any money. But either way, congrats on making Poe an FA. It really is an excellent article. I hope you might consider eventually sending the Bibliography of Edgar Allan Poe to WP:FLC one day.-BillDeanCarter (talk) 16:11, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I see your point, but I'm still not convinced. As far as fiction goes, he was a short story writer first and foremost; he just happened to have also written a novel. He also wrote a play, an autography series, a political satire on the United States vice-president, and an essay on cosmology - not sure those are worthy of being in the lede either. Anyway, thanks for the congratulatory note. It was a long, difficult battle but I think it was the real reason I joined Wikipedia to begin with - I almost feel like I can retire! I definitely hope to see the bibliography article promoted too, and thanks for the encouragement. It's not quite ready yet but I hope it will be soon! --Midnightdreary (talk) 16:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Poetratulations!

Poe is finally an FA! I hope you don't say "nevermore" after that FAC - I know we kind of put the article through the wringer, but I hope you think it is improved as a result. I look forward to seeing a featured topic on Poe in the coming years. Awadewit | talk 02:09, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

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New York Tribune

Thanks for your work on this article. The stuff about Moonies and the Washington Post doesn't seem to belong there, though. I'd like to delete it. What say you?

PS - I am a Poe fan, too. Lou Sander (talk) 17:45, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm... that's a tough call. I scratched my head when I was cleaning up that section earlier. I think it may be deserving of some mention but perhaps with much less detail. It almost looks like an editor was just venting some frustration onto that article. I'd suggest chopping it down fairly significantly.

PS - Who isn't a fan of Poe??? :) --Midnightdreary (talk) 17:56, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism

That was one sneaky vandal, anyway, you are doing a great job with both Poe's and Whitman's articles, i'm always watching ;) --Yamanbaiia^{(free hugs!)} 00:18, 25 January 2008 (UTC)