User talk:MarthaBergman

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References, citations, and external links

I noticed your question about referencing a foreign source at the Teahouse, and wanted to respond. Some of the words you used in your question ("external link Reference") can be interpreted in several ways at Wikipedia, so let me start with what I think you were asking, and then describe how Wikipedia uses some of these words. (The tl;dr for this is: foreign-language citations are just fine, when English ones are not available.)

What I think you were asking, was: "Can a reliable source in French like a newspaper or website be used in a citation to verify content in a Wikipedia article?" If that is your question, then the answer is "Yes". English language citations are preferred when available, but when not available then a citation to a foreign language source is allowed and should be used. That seems to be how User:GreenMeansGo interpreted your question as well. There is also something something called an external link at Wikipedia, and I don't think you were asking about that, but just in case, and since you're new to Wikipedia, let's go over some Wikipedia basics:

One of Wikipedia's core policies is the principle of Verifiability. When we write for Wikipedia, we don't write our own opinions, but rather a gist or summary of what we find when consulting independent, reliable, printed or online sources. The Verifiability policy is there to ensure that any reader of Wikipedia can verify the content of an article by going straight to the source, and see for themselves that the content in the article is backed up by solid, outside sources. The way we do this in a Wikipedia article, is by the use of citations to the sources that we used when writing the article content.

When discussing the Verifiability policy, certain terms come up a lot, like source, citation, reference and footnote. You also asked about external links. Here are some basics:

A source is where we go, outside of Wikipedia, to do research on topics and to back up the content we add to an article. In different contexts, a source can mean the article or book itself, the author, or the publisher. See WP:SOURCE.

A citation uniquely identifies a source of information; for example, the title of a book, along with its author, publisher, pub date, edition, and page number. See WP:CITATION. Citations are used in different ways, and can appear in various parts of a Wikipedia page.

A footnote is a citation that is contained within <ref> tags inline, that is, right in the running text of the article. It also refers to its appearance when rendered at the bottom of the page by the Wikimedia software.

The term reference has several meanings at Wikipedia depending on context. It is sometimes used as a synonym for source (e.g., "go find a good reference for that"), and sometimes as a synonym for citation ("you need to add a reference for that assertion"). In the plural, References may refer to the dedicated section found at the bottom of almost every Wikipedia article, where all the footnotes are rendered in one place.

An External link is a link to a website outside of Wikipedia (and outside the family of Wikimedia projects).

Besides the References section, there are some optional sections that may appear in the bottom matter of Wikipedia articles, like the See also section, which is a bullet list of links to related Wikipedia articles, Further reading, which is a bullet list of citations to outside sources that might be of interest to readers. If you were not talking about an inline citation in your Teahouse question, then you might want to consider adding your link to the External links section, which is another optional section in the bottom matter.

Sorry if this ended up as long as it did—you don't need to retain all this; the main take-away, is that Verifiability is a core principle of Wikipedia, and the use of citations to reliable sources is how you implement that. When you don't have English sources, a citation to a foreign-language source is just fine. Hope this helps! Mathglot (talk) 23:14, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I forgot to mention: I'm fluent in French, so if you need any assistance with the article, I can help. Mathglot (talk) 02:39, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Mathglot @Mathglot:, thank you again so much for your help and wiki education. I have finally (!) finished my draft of the entire article. I decided not to include the translations of the individual sections of the articles as it looked bit messy and the google translate version is good. I wanted to move it to the Main Wikipedia space, but when I went to Publish it only gave me the option to submit it for a review, which I know can take forever? It also doesn't give me the option to move it to Draft. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MarthaBergman/sandbox/Raed_H._Charafeddine MarthaBergman (talk) 19:36, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Raed H. Charafeddine (November 12)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by DGG were:

This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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DGG ( talk ) 08:49, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, MarthaBergman! Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! DGG ( talk ) 08:49, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Your thread has been archived

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Raed H. Charafeddine (April 22)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Curb Safe Charmer was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

There is no doubt in my mind that Charafeddine is an important person and probably a well-known figure in Lebanon. However being important or well-known are not the criteria we used to determine who should have a Wikipedia article about them. Instead, the criteria are defined at WP:NBIO and WP:GNG. I have read through all the references given here and also done a Google search but was unable to find in depth articles about Charafeddine in reliable, independent publications. There were plenty references that provide his credentials, and articles that Charafeddine wrote, and interviews with him.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 10:59, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:Raed H. Charafeddine

Hello, MarthaBergman. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Raed H. Charafeddine".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply edit the submission and remove the {{db-afc}}, {{db-draft}}, or {{db-g13}} code.

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! UnitedStatesian (talk) 22:16, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]