User talk:LordVoldebold
Waterspout
[edit]Hi:
Please respect other editors use of units (miles, km, gallons, liters, etc...). A large number of readers are from the US where they use United States customary units. So in this article, you should not have changed from miles (from earlier editors) to kilometers (you) but instead used {{convert}} to show both.
I had to correct this. Please do not impose you choice of units either : if it was in US units first, metric conversion should be put second, not flipped! Furthermore, if there is a reference for a set of data, please use the unit in the reference and the conversion second.
Pierre cb (talk) 22:16, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
- Hi,
- Please respect other editors use of units
- The original editor does not own the article (see WP:OWNERSHIP), so the choice of units is not determined by what the original editor wants, see WP:UNITS.
- A large number of readers are from the US where they use United States customary units.
- About 95% of the people on this planet don't use USC units. Virtually no one who speaks English as a foreign language uses USC units, and those speakers outnumber native English speakers 3 to 1. And this ratio will only grow. Among native English speakers, only US Americans use USC units exclusively. Thus, users of USC units only make up a tiny fraction of readers of the English Wikipedia.
- I had to correct this.
- The article in question is not about the USA, so SI units should come first in your conversion. Please correct this.
- if it was in US units first, metric conversion should be put second, not flipped!
- This is not how it should be. See WP:UNITS
- if there is a reference for a set of data, please use the unit in the reference
- What's important is the articles primary units (here: SI), except for direct quotes (which is not the case here). See this quote from WP:UNITS: Where the article's primary units differ from the units given in the source, the
{{convert}}template's|order=flipflag can be used; this causes the original unit to be shown as secondary in the article, and the converted unit to be shown as primary - LordVoldebold (talk) 01:54, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
- You are correct (and Pierre cb is mistaken) that the originally used units do not control. (It would be natural to think otherwise, because for citation style the first set style does control (unless there is local consensus to change it), and for national varieties of English the first used style controls if WP:STRONGNAT does not apply.) However, I think you are being too narrow about what constitutes "an article about the US". I will agree that Waterspout has no particualr national ties, but such articles as Krispy Kreme Challenge, Toano, Virginia, James Stewart, and Daredevil (film) should (and now do) all have US Customary units as primary. Moreover, some measurements do not use SI regardless of location. For example altitudes for aircraft flight are always given in feet (or thousands of feet), because this is the international standard. WP:UNITS refers to this as
such other units as are conventional in reliable-source discussions of the article topic
. As mentioned in WP:UNITSthe primary units for distance/length, speed and fuel consumption are miles, miles per hour, and miles per imperial gallon
in UK articles. I have corrected several of your conversions. Please be more careful. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 02:53, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
- You are correct (and Pierre cb is mistaken) that the originally used units do not control. (It would be natural to think otherwise, because for citation style the first set style does control (unless there is local consensus to change it), and for national varieties of English the first used style controls if WP:STRONGNAT does not apply.) However, I think you are being too narrow about what constitutes "an article about the US". I will agree that Waterspout has no particualr national ties, but such articles as Krispy Kreme Challenge, Toano, Virginia, James Stewart, and Daredevil (film) should (and now do) all have US Customary units as primary. Moreover, some measurements do not use SI regardless of location. For example altitudes for aircraft flight are always given in feet (or thousands of feet), because this is the international standard. WP:UNITS refers to this as
Use of SI units
[edit]Please do not replace US customary units with SI units, or use {{convert}} with the "flip" option to force SI units into the primary position on articles about essentially US topics. There are other cases where SI units shyo0uld not be primary. See the MOS page section WP:UNITS and the related WP:STRONGNAT. Please be careful when changing unit system in an article to see that the proper selection of a primary unit is made. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 03:49, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
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