User talk:Lklundin/Archive 7
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Tesla, Inc. reversion
A consensus was reached on Talk: Tesla, Inc. regarding inclusion of a link to TSLAQ. A consensus does not need to be an unanimous one, only a rough one. Why then did you revert my update? QRep2020 (talk) 15:16, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
- QRep2020: Your edit was reverted because the discussion on the page is still ongoing and as such your introduction of the disputed material in the article is premature. MartinezMD had responded favorably to my latest attempt at arriving at a compromise and input from others regarding this proposal should be awaited before deeming the discussion closed. Also playing a factor is that the disputed material was inserted with no Help:Edit summary, which goes against good practice especially for a edit which is being disputed. Lklundin (talk) 16:35, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
- I think this discussion should've been kept on the Tesla talk page, but if it is to keep a potential argument more private, I can understand that. I would suggest QRep2020 start an RFC if you think you have consensus when we don't. That way we can get outside parties to review the issue. It'll keep this the most neutral. MartinezMD (talk) 18:45, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
- QRep2020, MartinezMD: At this stage, this seems a good direction to take. Lklundin (talk) 19:06, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
- I think this discussion should've been kept on the Tesla talk page, but if it is to keep a potential argument more private, I can understand that. I would suggest QRep2020 start an RFC if you think you have consensus when we don't. That way we can get outside parties to review the issue. It'll keep this the most neutral. MartinezMD (talk) 18:45, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
I want to reiterate, if you continue to attack the motives of QRep2020 (or myself) I will start an ANI. You have gone way over board with that line of discussion. Springee (talk) 12:52, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- You created concern by nominating an article for deletion without informing the page creator and acknowledged you would normally not act like this. Since you then go ahead and behind the back of another editor discuss articles they created and suggest 'You can always nominate them for deletion' to QRep2020, then I think you have quite the nerve to bring up my criticism of said editor.
- To top it off, you profanely brush it off as "BS" when I point out how your editing is disruptive to the ongoing process.
- So I will kindly suggest that you take a moment for some introspection and reflect on how you might improve your own contributions. Lklundin (talk) 10:36, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
Nomination of Electrek for deletion
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New Page Reviewer newsletter June 2020
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As I read the article all the things which make him notable have been done since he arrived in the USA. As a South African or Canadian he is only notable for leaving.Rathfelder (talk) 11:28, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
- Well, it is not unusual for an emigrant to be fondly remembered in their original country for things done abroad. For example, Nikola Tesla is in the category Austro-Hungarian inventors, although he has basically no notable inventions before leaving his birth country. And there is this contemporary Danish physicist Lene Hau who abroad has made very significant discoveries in fundamental physics, she is categorized as a Danish physicist/scientist, not a US one although she has lived and had her career in the USA for many years. Lklundin (talk) 11:54, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
- Musk is definitely a US citizen. We dont need to duplicate all these categories. Rathfelder (talk) 14:20, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
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New Page Patrol December Newsletter
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- Year in review
It has been a productive year for New Page Patrol as we've roughly cut the size of the New Page Patrol queue in half this year. We have been fortunate to have a lot of great work done by Rosguill who was the reviewer of the most pages and redirects this past year. Thanks and credit go to JTtheOG and Onel5969 who join Rosguill in repeating in the top 10 from last year. Thanks to John B123, Hughesdarren, and Mccapra who all got the NPR permission this year and joined the top 10. Also new to the top ten is DannyS712 bot III, programmed by DannyS712 which has helped to dramatically reduce the number of redirects that have needed human patrolling by patrolling certain types of redirects (e.g. for differences in accents) and by also patrolling editors who are on on the redirect whitelist.
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| 3 | John B123 (talk) | 21,697 | Patrol Page Curation |
| 4 | Onel5969 (talk) | 19,879 | Patrol Page Curation |
| 5 | JTtheOG (talk) | 12,901 | Patrol Page Curation |
| 6 | Mcampany (talk) | 9,103 | Patrol Page Curation |
| 7 | DragonflySixtyseven (talk) | 6,401 | Patrol Page Curation |
| 8 | Mccapra (talk) | 4,918 | Patrol Page Curation |
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A barnstar for you!
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| Just wanted to thank you for helping to bring everyone together behind a compromise at Elon Musk. ~ HAL333 03:04, 26 February 2021 (UTC) |
- Thanks HAL333, I appreciate that. Like this change my attempts to contribute mostly concern engineering and science, but they are rarely discussed so this was an enriching experience for me. Since misunderstandings happened more than once (e.g. confusing Nature Communications with Nature) I think I will keep an eye on this small piece of the article, but other than that I expect to go on with other, more technical pages. Still, I look forward to our next collaboration. Happy editing! Lklundin (talk) 08:07, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
Rfc on Musk being an engineer has closed
The Rfc was officially closed by a non-admin, and no not by me. If there is an issue with the closure, then feel free to take that up in the proper channels. As of now however, there is nothing impeding the lede update and so I will restore it. QRep2020 (talk) 14:29, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
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New Page Patrol newsletter September 2021
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Please join this discussion - there is increase in the abuse of Wikipedia and its processes by POV pushers, Paid Editors, and by holders of various user rights including Autopatrolled. Even our review systems themselves at AfC and NPR have been infiltrated. The good news is that detection is improving, but the downside is that it creates the need for a huge clean up - which of course adds to backlogs.
Copyright violations are also a serious issue. Most non-regular contributors do not understand why, and most of our Reviewers are not experts on copyright law - and can't be expected to be, but there is excellent, easy-to-follow advice on COPYVIO detection here.
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There are currently 706 New Page Reviewers plus a further 1,080 admins, but as much as nearly 90% of the patrolling is still being done by around only the 20 or so most regular patrollers.
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Various awards are due to be allocated by the end of the year and barnstars are overdue. If you would like to manage this, please let us know. Indeed, if you are interested in coordinating NPR, it does not involve much time and the tasks are described here.
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New Page Patrol newsletter May 2022
Hello Lklundin,
At the time of the last newsletter (No.26, September 2021), the backlog was 'only' just over 6,000 articles. In the past six months, the backlog has reached nearly 16,000, a staggering level not seen in several years. A very small number of users had been doing the vast majority of the reviews. Due to "burn-out", we have recently lost most of this effort. Furthermore, several reviewers have been stripped of the user right for abuse of privilege and the articles they patrolled were put back in the queue.
Several discussions on the state of the process have taken place on the talk page, but there has been no action to make any changes. The project also lacks coordination since the "position" is vacant.
In the last 30 days, only 100 reviewers have made more than 8 patrols and only 50 have averaged one review a day. There are currently 813 New Page Reviewers, but about a third have not had any activity in the past month. All 848 administrators have this permission, but only about a dozen significantly contribute to NPP.
This means we have an active pool of about 450 to address the backlog. We cannot rely on a few to do most of the work as that inevitably leads to burnout. A fairly experienced reviewer can usually do a review in a few minutes. If every active reviewer would patrol just one article per day, the backlog would very quickly disappear.
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New Page Patrol newsletter June 2022
Hello Lklundin,
- Backlog status
At the time of the last newsletter (No.27, May 2022), the backlog was approaching 16,000, having shot up rapidly from 6,000 over the prior two months. The attention the newsletter brought to the backlog sparked a flurry of activity. There was new discussion on process improvements, efforts to invite new editors to participate in NPP increased and more editors requested the NPP user right so they could help, and most importantly, the number of reviews picked up and the backlog decreased, dipping below 14,000[a] at the end of May.
Since then, the news has not been so good. The backlog is basically flat, hovering around 14,200. I wish I could report the number of reviews done and the number of new articles added to the queue. But the available statistics we have are woefully inadequate. The only real number we have is the net queue size.[b]
In the last 30 days, the top 100 reviewers have all made more than 16 patrols (up from 8 last month), and about 70 have averaged one review a day (up from 50 last month).
While there are more people doing more reviews, many of the ~730 with the NPP right are doing little. Most of the reviews are being done by the top 50 or 100 reviewers. They need your help. We appreciate every review done, but please aim to do one a day (on average, or 30 a month).
- Backlog drive
A backlog reduction drive, coordinated by buidhe and Zippybonzo, will be held from July 1 to July 31. Sign up here. 
Barnstars will be awarded.
- TIP – New school articles
Many new articles on schools are being created by new users in developing and/or non-English-speaking countries. The authors are probably not even aware of Wikipedia's projects and policy pages. WP:WPSCH/AG has some excellent advice and resources specifically written for these users. Reviewers could consider providing such first-time article creators with a link to it while also mentioning that not all schools pass the GNG and that elementary schools are almost certainly not notable.
- Misc
There is a new template available, {{NPP backlog}}, to show the current backlog. You can place it on your user or talk page as a reminder:
Very high unreviewed pages backlog: 15494 articles, as of 06:00, 27 December 2024 (UTC), according to DatBot
There has been significant discussion at WP:VPP recently on NPP-related matters (Draftification, Deletion, Notability, Verifiability, Burden). Proposals that would somewhat ease the burden on NPP aren't gaining much traction, although there are suggestions that the role of NPP be fundamentally changed to focus only on major CSD-type issues.
- Reminders
- Consider staying informed on project issues by putting the project discussion page on your watchlist.
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NPP July 2022 backlog drive is on!
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New Page Patrol newsletter August 2022
Hello Lklundin,
- Backlog status
After the last newsletter (No.28, June 2022), the backlog declined another 1,000 to 13,000 in the last week of June. Then the July backlog drive began, during which 9,900 articles were reviewed and the backlog fell by 4,500 to just under 8,500 (these numbers illustrate how many new articles regularly flow into the queue). Thanks go to the coordinators Buidhe and Zippybonzo, as well as all the nearly 100 participants. Congratulations to Dr vulpes who led with 880 points. See this page for further details.
Unfortunately, most of the decline happened in the first half of the month, and the backlog has already risen to 9,600. Understandably, it seems many backlog drive participants are taking a break from reviewing and unfortunately, we are not even keeping up with the inflow let alone driving it lower. We need the other 600 reviewers to do more! Please try to do at least one a day.
- Coordination
- MB and Novem Linguae have taken on some of the coordination tasks. Please let them know if you are interested in helping out. MPGuy2824 will be handling recognition, and will be retroactively awarding the annual barnstars that have not been issued for a few years.
- Open letter to the WMF
- The Page Curation software needs urgent attention. There are dozens of bug fixes and enhancements that are stalled (listed at Suggested improvements). We have written a letter to be sent to the WMF and we encourage as many patrollers as possible to sign it here. We are also in negotiation with the Board of Trustees to press for assistance. Better software will make the active reviewers we have more productive.
- TIP - Reviewing by subject
- Reviewers who prefer to patrol new pages by their most familiar subjects can do so from the regularly updated sorted topic list.
- New reviewers
- The NPP School is being underused. The learning curve for NPP is quite steep, but a detailed and easy-to-read tutorial exists, and the Curation Tool's many features are fully described and illustrated on the updated page here.
- Reminders
- Consider staying informed on project issues by putting the project discussion page on your watchlist.
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NPP message
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For those who may have missed it in our last newsletter, here's a quick reminder to see the letter we have drafted, and if you support it, do please go ahead and sign it. If you already signed, thanks. Also, if you haven't noticed, the backlog has been trending up lately; all reviews are greatly appreciated.
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