User talk:KravTeacher
Reference material
[edit]Hi, thanks for your question. Basically when adding refs you need to make sure they are reliable. According to WP:RS, refs should ideally be from a third party with a reputation for accuracy. So, for example, citing the websites of many Krav Maga organisations does not make for a good article (Really, I would not consider any of the article's current refs as reliable by themselves as none of them appear to be third party). Ideally, a peer-reviewed journal, newspaper, or book should be sourced. The ref you list should not be used as an external link as Itay Gil is not even mentioned in the current article. I recommend you read WP:EL for more info on external links and WP:RS for more info on refs. To find reliable sources I suggest you do a Google News, Scholar or Book search. As you can see by the tags on the article, it needs a lot of work so be bold. Copana2002 (talk) 15:38, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Kapap
[edit]Black Belt Magazine appears to be a reliable source about martial arts from what I've seen. Why do you believe the article is promotional? - Mgm|(talk) 17:47, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
- You say that someone deletes reliable sources that aren't linked to their own view. Now, I'm no expert on this particular subject and I might be running into a proverbial can of worms here, but if those sources you are talking about are truly reliable, then what they're doing is a blockable offense. Instead of giving up on the topic altogether and ask for its deletion, you should strive to include the proper sources and report the user in question to either a relevant Wikipedia:WikiProjects who know what sources on martial arts are reliable or the administrators' noticeboard (or both) to force independent references into the article. Can you share with me some more details about how the current sources are related to the editor in question and how the removed sources are possibly more reliable? - Mgm|(talk) 22:18, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
Citations
[edit]Hi Krav, the way the {{Reflist}} works is that citations are put in-line in the text of the article. The formatting makes them appear in notes or references section automatically, but they are in the text, not in that section. So if I wanted to add a footnote to this sentence I would put<ref>citation information here</ref> and it would look like this. [1]
References
[edit]- ^ citation information here
Let me know if you have any questions. You can read about citations here: wp:citations. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:08, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
- I'm sorry but I'm not clear on what you're asking. The only thing that goes in that section is the {{Reflist}} template. The citations themselves go in the article text. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:14, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
- Citations are used to show where the article text is sourced. So changing the text to better reflect the citation might be better than changing the citation, but feel free to change the citation as needed. Make sure to do so where the citation is located in the article text, and not in the ref section (which as you discovered is just a template). You can also add a quote from the source to the citation (again, inbetween the <ref>"I like to add quotes sometimes to my citations"</ref> formatting of the inline citation.
Finally, make sure not to discuss or speculate about the identity of editors. In fact, I encourage you to redact (remove) those comments ASAP (As Soon As Possible). Since anonymity is allowed here, disclosures of that type, whether true are not, are discouraged as wp:outing.Editing here can be frustrating, but it can also be interesting and fun. It helps to have a lot of patience. Sometimes I stay away from anything I'm emotional about or connected to because the frustrations involved in editing those topics can be too much. :) Please let me know if I can be of any help. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:21, 5 January 2009 (UTC)- I misunderstood who you were talking about. Sorry. You were talking about the article author, but I thought you were talking about the anon. who has been reverting. Take care. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:47, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
- Citations are used to show where the article text is sourced. So changing the text to better reflect the citation might be better than changing the citation, but feel free to change the citation as needed. Make sure to do so where the citation is located in the article text, and not in the ref section (which as you discovered is just a template). You can also add a quote from the source to the citation (again, inbetween the <ref>"I like to add quotes sometimes to my citations"</ref> formatting of the inline citation.
Welcome
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ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:14, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
Three revert rule
[edit]Please don't revert again on the content in dispute. If you need help you can ask me or type {{helpme}} and your question and someone will answer. Wikipedia takes getting used to and there is a process for dealing with content disputed. For the policy page see wp:3rr. This policy on conflicts of interest may also be useful wp:coi. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:54, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
Update
[edit]Please see the Kapap section further up this page for my follow up response. = Mgm|(talk) 22:19, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
The key is what the best sources say. None of the sources in that article are very good. Are there books and articles on this subject? Sourced content from independent third party sources would go a long way towards clearing up the issue. If I were you I would see if I could find some independent coverage to use. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:03, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Unregistered Participant
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Hello, as you can see the person at IP address 68.197.235.233 is at it again. Anything which does not promote their organization or propagate their own agenda gets deleted. I have had much help with this, but it seems this person will not allow a neutral point of view on this Wiki-Article. Where should I report this in order to see it stopped? --KravTeacher (talk) 04:25, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
- Hi. You could have reported them to WP:3RR as they exceeded three reverts on the page. As a slightly more friendly alternative, I have instead protected the page for 24 hours so you and they can discuss the issue on the article talk page and see if a consensus can be reached on the inclusion of the your-krav-maga-expert.com link.
- I have no view on which version is right - just looking to give the article some breathing space so discussion can occur. Euryalus (talk) 05:08, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
- Please discuss the issue
you are edit warring overhere [1]. Thanks. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:36, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Sorry for saying you edit warred. I made a report at wp:3rr about the anon's reverts and an Administrator is involved in the discussion, so hopefully just a little more patience is needed. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:52, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for your message on my talk page. You've done the right thing in trying to reference the article, and while you did break 3RR you also stopped when asked. The page protection isn't a criticism of your efforts, simply a chance for either side to state their case on the talk page. Questions might be asked about the reference as a reliable source or as a valid external link, but thats a matter for people like yourself who know more about Kapap than I do. If the IP resumes reversions without discussion when page protection ends, stronger action can be taken.
- Re the version of the article as it stands, I protected the most recent one following your {{helpme}} request. Its a longstanding and pretty feeble joke that page protection always results in keeping the wrong version, so I suppose I'm just continuing that tradition. Anyway, once again please don't see the page protection as a criticism of you or your efforts to improve the article - its really giving IP an enforced opportunity to enter discussion with other editors. Euryalus (talk) 08:03, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Sources
[edit]Here are some sources: [2], [3], [4], [5]. Sorry they aren't all in English. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:04, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
FYI, I see this article is up for deletion International Krav Maga Federation (IKMF). ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:36, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
- Please post the reasoning for including the source you added to the article on the article's discussion page. No one has yet determined it to be unacceptable. It simply needs to be discussed. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:45, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
These might be even more useful: [6]. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:43, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Krav Maga: Aikido
[edit]I was more sceptical about the removal of the other arts, and especially the removal of judo, the source you linked to is a primary source but would support the inclusion of aikido and also jujutsu and judo, but you may also wish to read WP:SYNTH about taking the implication that as some on was proficient in an art it was involved if this is not explicitly stated. --Nate1481 19:06, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
- No problem, byt the way if you have a back ground in krav (as your user name suggests) could you help by adding some sourcing to the article? Especially on the controversial bits (of who founded it etc), if you have some books of something that we could put in as "...in Book X, Y states that Z worked on the development...." it would be a great help in preventing edit wars, but even the odd source fo things like dates would really help the article. --Nate1481 11:17, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Building my User page
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Hi, I have looked for templates to use in helping me build my user page, but I can't find a thing. I must be putting the wrong terms in the search window. Can someone popint in the right direction to get started? For instance: where do I find the tabs which indicate where I attended college, about my hobbies, and so forth? --KravTeacher (talk) 00:19, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
I think you are looking for Userboxes. Thanks--Res2216firestar 00:26, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Old Krav Wiki-Article
[edit]Krav Maga (Hebrew קרב מגע: "contact combat") is an eclectic self-defense and military hand-to-hand combat system developed in Israel, which assumes no quarter, and emphasizes maximum threat neutralization in a "real life" context. It came to prominence following its adoption by various Israeli Security Forces.
Etymology
The generic name in Hebrew means "close combat." The word maga (מגע) means "contact" and the word krav (קרב) means "combat," but the literal translation "contact combat" could be confused with "full contact" martial arts, such as "full contact karate". These are NOT at all the same and so a differential must be noted here. In full contact karate there are still rules. In a confrontation on the street, your life, or the life of a loved one may be at stake. For this reason, Krav Maga takes a no quarter mindset.
Training
Basic principles
In Krav Maga, there are no hard-and-fast rules, and there is no distinction between training for men and women . It is not a sport, and there are no specific uniforms, or sparring competitions (sport kumite), although some organizations recognize progression through training with rank badges, belts or affiliation to a specific group by the wearing of logo bearing attire. All the techniques focus on maximum efficiency in real-life conditions. Krav Maga generally assumes a no quarter situation; the attacks and defenses are intended for potentially lethal threat situations, and aim to neutralize these and escape via maximum pain or damage to opponents, as rapidly and safely as possible. Crippling attacks to vulnerable body parts, including groin and eye strikes, headbutts, and other efficient and potentially brutal attacks, improvised use of any objects available, and maximizing personal safety in a fight, are emphasized. However, it must be stressed that instructors can and do demonstrate how to moderate the techniques to fit the circumstances. While no limits are placed on techniques to be used in life-threatening situations, the legal need to inflict the appropriate minimal damage in other circumstances is recognized and stressed.
The guiding principles for those performing Krav Maga techniques are:
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Neutralize the threat
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Avoid injury
* Use the body's natural reflexes, postures and instinctive reactions
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Strike at any vulnerable point
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Use any tool or object nearby as an improvised weapon
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Go from defending to attacking as quickly as possible - Preferably/Usually Simultaneously
According to a description written for the self-publication media site Associated Content, the basic premises of Krav Maga are:
* You're not going to think about how much damage has to be caused, your training will help determine this instinctively. * Cause as much damage as needed and escape. * Adapt the damage to the situation, injuring to degree is paramount. * Do not try to prolong a fight by punishing the aggressor, even if deserved. Do what needs to be done and escape.
Again, this must be read in the context of a life-threatening situation, either to oneself or one's immediate family, for instance. Instructors will constantly stress the need, in less extreme circumstances, to match the response to the danger or risk.
The basic idea is to deal first with the immediate threat (being choked, for example), prevent the attacker from re-attacking, and then neutralize the attacker, proceeding through all steps in a methodical manner, despite the rush of adrenaline (see also Fight or Flight Response) that occurs in such an attack. The emphasis is put on taking the initiative from the attacker as soon as possible. Indeed, some circumstances may require preemptive action, which may or may not be violent. Options here could range from "get your retaliation in first" to situational awareness (also part of the training) that might avoid a dangerous situation developing.
Techniques
Although Krav Maga shares many techniques with traditional martial arts, such as wing chun (a.k.a. Wing Tsun), kali, aikido, boxing, judo, Brazilian jiu-jitsu, Japanese jujutsu, karate, muay thai, savate or wrestling, the training is often quite different. It stresses fighting under worst-case conditions or from disadvantaged scenarios (for example, against several opponents, when protecting someone else, with one arm unusable, when dizzy, against armed opponents). Unlike Karate there are no predefined sequences of moves or choreographed styles; instead Krav Maga emphasizes rapid learning and the retzev ("continuous combat motion") through Adrenal Stress Response Training. By using a scientifically researched series of exercises and drills, the participant's body and mind learn to fight while under adrenal stress. This does a more than adequate job of simulating the physical and mental conditions a person will experience in a real force on force encounter.
Krav Maga instructors emphasize two training rules: (1) there are no rules in a fight and (2) one must not injure oneself or one's partner when training (Partner Preservation). Training is an intense mixed aerobic and anaerobic workout, relying heavily on the use of pads in order to experience both delivery and absorption of strikes at full force. This is important because it allows the student to practice the technique at full strength, and the student holding the pad learns a little of the impact they would feel when they get hit. It can be almost as taxing to hold a pad as to practice against one. Students will also wear head guards, gum shields, groin protectors, shin and forearm guards, etc during practise of attack/defense techniques, so that a realistic level of violence may be used without injury. Some schools incorporate "Strike and Fight," which consists of full-contact sparring intended to familiarize the student with the stresses of a violent situation. Keep in mind that sparring is a bit like doing the splits. The splits will measure your flexibility, but will not necessarily increase your flexibility. In the same way, sparring is a great tool to measure your progress, however, it does not necessarily improve your ability to fight. Here is why: In a fight, there will be intense moments of incredible physical and mental stress, followed by either one person or the other being injured or taken out of the fight. Sparring goes on too long and allows the body to go through peaks and valleys where stress is reduced and the participants allow one another to recover. This simply is not realistic training to prepare for a "real fight"!
As an example, training may employ a speaker system blasting loud music, stroboscope and/or fog machine, meant to train the student to ignore peripheral distractions and focus on the needs of the situation. Other training methods to increase realism might include exercising the student to near exhaustion before having to defend, training outdoors on a variety of surfaces and restrictive situations, wearing a blindfold before being attacked, etc. The whole emphasis is on simulating real fight/attack situations as realistically as possible within the safety limitations of training. Training will usually also cover situational awareness, to develop an understanding of one's surroundings and potentially threatening circumstances before an attack is launched. It might also cover "Self Protection": ways to deal with situations which could end in fights, and physical and verbal methods to avoid violence whenever possible.
Krav-Maga includes the subjects and techniques of:
* Prevention, avoidance, escape and evasion.
* Dealing with throws and falls in all directions and angles.
* Attacks and counterattacks, performed against all targets, distances, ranges, heights, angles, directions and in all rhythms. Executed from all positions and postures. * Use of all sorts of common objects (improvised weapons) for defensive purposes.
* Defending against all unarmed attacks: punches, strikes and kicks. Releases from all sorts of grabs and holds. Defending all armed attacks and threats of knife and sharp objects; of sticks, bars and other blunt objects; of all kinds of firearms.
* Dealing with the above attacks when sent from all possible directions and places; When they are performed by a single or multiple attackers; When they occur in all possible places, from all positions and postures. Including in confined or open areas; in an ally, staircase, car; On all types of surfaces; In water; When in limited space or movement; While standing, on the move, sitting down, laying down on the back, side or facing down.
* Personal physical and mental control.
* Krav Maga prepares the trainee to function in all circumstances and scenarios, in all combat and fighting environments, according to their needs, the risks they are facing and job descriptions. Krav Maga enables and brings technical, tactical, physical/mental growth and improvements.
Krav-Maga contains special approaches, tactics, techniques, subjects, drills and training methods for many different sectors of society: Civilians of all ages, men and women, young and old; Law-enforcement officers; Military personnel and units; Correction/Detention service officers and wardens; Security officers; As well as: Close protection officers; Undercover agents; Antiterrorists groups; Air-marshals; Special Forces/Commando units.
A typical Krav Maga session in a civilian school is about an hour long and mixes conditioning with self-defense teaching. As levels increase, the instructors focus a little more on complicated and less common types of attacks, such as: third party defense, hostage situations and defense under extreme duress. First, the instructor will run a very intense drill to get the class's heart rates up. Then, after stretching, the instructor will teach two or three self-defense techniques. In the beginning the techniques will either be combatives (punches, hammer-fists, elbows, and knees ) or grappling (breaking out of chokes or wrist-grabs, getting out from under an opponent while on one's back). After that, the class usually moves to a drill that combines the techniques just taught with an aerobic technique. Finally, there is the final drill intended to burn out the students. Depending on the class - and on the instructor's mood - this drill may be at the very beginning or at the end of the class.
History
Imi Lichtenfeld
Krav Maga was essentially developed in Hungary and Czechoslovakia in the 1930s by Imi Lichtenfeld, also known as Imi Sde-Or. (Sde-Or meaning "Light Field" - is a calque of his surname into Hebrew.) He first taught his fighting system in Bratislava in order to help protect the Jewish community from Nazi militias. Upon arriving in the British Mandate of Palestine prior to the establishment of the Jewish state, Imi began teaching hand-to-hand combat to the Haganah, the Jewish underground army. With the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, Imi became the Chief Instructor of Physical Fitness and Krav Maga at the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) School of Combat Fitness. He served in the IDF for about 20 years, during which time he continued to develop and refine his hand-to-hand combat method. He died in January 1998 in Netanya, Israel.
Expansion outside Israel
Prior to 1980, all experts in Krav Maga lived in Israel and trained under the Israeli Krav Maga Association. That year marks the beginning of contact between Israeli Krav Maga experts and interested students in the United States. In 1981, a group of six Krav Maga instructors traveled to the US to offer demonstrations of the system, primarily at local Jewish Community Centers. This, in turn, led to demonstrations at the New York Field Office of the FBI and the FBI's Main Training Center at Quantico, Virginia. The result was a visit by 22 people from the US to Israel in the summer of 1981 to attend a basic Krav Maga instructor course. The graduates from this course returned to the US and began to establish training facilities in their local areas. Additional students traveled to Israel in 1984 and again in 1986 to become instructors. At the same time, instructors from Israel continued to visit the US. Law Enforcement training in the US began in 1985. Instructor certification courses are offered every year in Netanya, Israel for qualified individuals.
After Imi's death After Imi's death, a number of different schools and associations developed around the world. It is generally accepted that there are many Krav Maga umbrella organizations throughout the world.
Current Usage
In 1964, Imi Lichtenfeld finished his military service and adapted Krav Maga to civilian frameworks. In Israel, Krav Maga is also taught, by Haim Gidon, the highest ranked Krav Maga Instrutor ever promoted by Imi Lichtenfeld. It is taught to men, women, and children under the auspices of the Israeli Ministry of Sport and Education.
Krav Maga is the official system of hand-to-hand combat and self-defense employed by the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF), Security Forces, the Israeli Police and Military Police and its Special Operations and Anti-Terrorist Units. The IDF including their Special Forces Units, Israeli Police, and Internal Security Branches currently uses this style on a day-to-day basis.
Krav Maga is taught to all ages and abilities, at community centers, schools, and clubs throughout the world. Krav Maga is taught to Sky Marshals and commercial airline crews. It is also taught in Australia, the United States, Canada, Mexico, Brazil, United Kingdom, Ireland, Croatia, France, Denmark, Finland, Sweden, Norway, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Spain, Portugal, the Netherlands, Russia, Italy, Poland, Japan, Thailand, Slovakia, Hungary, Serbia, New Zealand and India.
In the United States, personnel from various Federal, State and Local law enforcement agencies and military units around the world have received training in Krav Maga, including the FBI, AFOSI Anti-terrorism Specialty Team, United States Marshals Service, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, Drug Enforcement Administration Arrest and Control Unit, U.S. Treasury Department, U.S. Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, State Department, CIA, several divisions of the United States Coast Guard, and police and sheriff's offices in New York, New Jersey, Illinois, Texas, Alabama, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, California, and Maryland. In addition to the Special Operations Forces of Israel (e.g. Sayeret Matkal, YAMAM, etc.), several special units from other countries have adopted this system for their hand-to-hand combat. These units include GIGN, Federal Police Special Units, FBI HRT, and SWAT, among others.