User talk:Kingboyk/Archive 4

This page is an archive. Please add new discussion to my active talk page. Archive 1 Archive 2 Archive 3 Archive 4 Archive 5 Archive 6 → Archive 10 My RFA My adminship nomination was successful, with a final tally of 53 for, 1 against, and 2 neutral. (So neutral neither had even the smallest comment to make, which makes one wonder why they bothered ;) ). Thank you messages will be sent out soon. In the meantime, thank you to my supporters. Adminship is mostly no big deal, but the potential for making serious mistakes is far greater than as a rank and file editor. Rest assured that I'll use my priveledges sparingly and won't be rushing into action like a bull in a China shop! --kingboyk 18:09, 4 March 2006 (UTC) The Observatory (band) Since you've done some band article work... Your input on the subject article, which I just created, would be appreciated! You can comment on the talk page or here to me or whatever works for you. I discovered these guys while on assignment in S'pore last year. Happy editing! ++Lar: t/c 04:32, 3 March 2006 (UTC) Consider it done added to my todo list :) Singapore, eh? That's where I first heard China Dolls. --kingboyk 15:55, 3 March 2006 (UTC) Done. --kingboyk 19:36, 6 March 2006 (UTC) It was seeing that article that made me think about Love_Psychedelico which I added an image to, and The Observatory (band), actually! ++Lar: t/c 17:48, 3 March 2006 (UTC) I'm sorry but the 'Dolls are way better looking! :P --kingboyk 17:54, 3 March 2006 (UTC) Melt-Banana - Japanese noisecore. A John Peel favourite. Shonen Knife (you've probably heard of them), cutesy J indie/pop. --kingboyk 17:56, 3 March 2006 (UTC) Currently listening to this: Intro-Inspection. Stumbled across the article, and then realised I actually had the MP3! Damn good. --kingboyk 02:04, 5 March 2006 (UTC) Pete Best Actually, the photo is important because it shows Best as he is today, in a relaxed and mellow mood, which stands in sharp contrast to that full paragraph about bitterness, suicide attempt, etc. Pepso 02:22, 4 March 2006 (UTC) Maybe so, but I'm very sceptical about photos showing famous people with the not so famous, especially when they have been contributed by somebody whose interest lies in the second person. I'm really not sure that 'snapshot' type photos are appropriate for an encyclopedia. --kingboyk 02:26, 4 March 2006 (UTC) PS I met Pete in 1992. He was a lovely fellow, very accomodating and helpful. He looks a great deal happier in that photo though. Can't disagree there. My RfA Thank you for your constructive critisizm during my RfA! It has decided to postpone making me an administrator based upon recent consensus (or lack thereof). Thanks for the kind remarks and I hope to continue to see you around the project. Cheers, ZsinjTalk 08:40, 4 March 2006 (UTC) Quick question First, let me congratulate you on your adminship! You should be proud :) Second, is there a list somewhere of articles that need LaTeXing? I have been looking at random math articles and a lot of them seem to be missing proper formatting. Your help is appreciated! Isopropyl 17:24, 4 March 2006 (UTC) If it's ever been tackled it would (should) be a cleanup-type template which includes articles in a relevant category, like Category:Articles with ASCII art. I've not found one specific to LaTeXing but I'll have a rummage. Thanks for the congratulations (and indeed for the support vote). --kingboyk 17:31, 4 March 2006 (UTC) I can't find anything. I suggest you ask around (e.g. Wikipedia:Help desk) and if the answer is negative, create a template and category (using something like Template:Reqphoto and Category:Wikipedia requested photographs for your inspiration), and start tagging (on the Talk pages rather than the articles, I would suggest). If you need any help with that process come back to me. --kingboyk 17:38, 4 March 2006 (UTC) I've posted to Help desk. I'll keep you updated on the template. Thanks again! Isopropyl 20:33, 4 March 2006 (UTC) Coincidentally, I was there for another reason just as you were posting! :) --kingboyk 20:36, 4 March 2006 (UTC) I've made the template; you can view it at Template:LaTeX. My only concern is that it uses a company logo as its image. Do you think this is a problem? Isopropyl 23:22, 4 March 2006 (UTC) Lovely job, looks great. The image page says is licenced under 'fair use', so sadly that would probably mean it's not allowed to be used in a template, only in the article about LaTex. That said, I see it's used in a userbox, and that LaTex is free software. Best check their website and see what they say? If they licence the image under a free licence, update the image summary and use it. If it's definitely copyright with no free licence - meaning we're using it under fair use - you'd best remove it, sorry. NB: I am not a lawyer, you might wanna get a second opinion. --kingboyk 23:31, 4 March 2006 (UTC) The image caption says that it was produced with LaTeX. All the formulas produced with the <math> tags are also produced with LaTeX, and no one seems to have a problem with that. Hmm. Do you know of anyone who is more familiar with image copyright problems? Thanks again. Isopropyl 23:58, 4 March 2006 (UTC) No, it would be the help desk again! I've contacted the person who uploaded the file, as I suspect the copyright notice might be wrong. I've asked him to reply here, so keep a watch on this page. I also had a look at the LaTex site but it was very hard to navigate! We're hardly likely to get sued over it I think :), but a zealous user might just remove it from the template. Don't sweat on it for now, leave it there and let's see what the uploader says about where he got the image from? --kingboyk 00:04, 5 March 2006 (UTC) The LaTeX logo before was a PNG, and so I made an SVG out of it. I used the logo copyright tag, but I'm not exactly sure what the status of that would be, but I certainly don't claim any ownership, etc. over it. I would imagine that it'd be fine, as it's all software licensed under the LPPL, which is an open-source license, but I'm not exactly sure. If it turns out that some better label should be applied to the image (not logo), then go ahead and apply it. --jacobolus (t) 00:04, 5 March 2006 (UTC) Thanks. It looks like Isopropyl has changed the licence to LPPL, so that's hopefully all fine and dandy now. --kingboyk 02:06, 6 March 2006 (UTC) WikiProject The Beatles Hi! I've seen you around on The Beatles' articles... Would you consider becoming a member of WikiProject The Beatles, a WikiProject which aims to expand and improve coverage of The Beatles on Wikipedia? Please feel free to join us. Abbey Road... You're not in this picture... yet! Todo list: Sort of a test, just did this template up. What do you think? Probably not something we put into the project, for fear of peoole spamming with? or not? PS, no congratulations for you till I see that thank you box... ++Lar: t/c 17:44, 4 March 2006 (UTC) I like it. I wouldn't consider it 'spam' if it landed on my talk page. Would you? It's not for anybody's personal or commercial gain, it's sole intention is to improve Wikipedia articles. That's what our user and talk pages are primarily intended for isn't it? Adminship: It's (mostly) no big deal. I made it quite clear that I'd continue to consult and take advice and I certainly don't have all the answers :-) So, don't expect to me suddenly become Ye Great Sage OK? :P You think I could use AWB to send out my thank yous, or will it have to be Firefox tabs with a little help from Popups? --kingboyk 17:53, 4 March 2006 (UTC) I'm not the expert on AWB, I've used it exactly once on a simple find/replace run (replaced Image:Moonforwiki.jpg with a .png version) but I think it could well be used for that. It works using a list of pages to address so maybe start by editing a text file of the voters, or the history?) I have seen other candidates allude to using AWB in their thanks so ya. I will put the invite on a half dozen other editor pages if I get time today... we need a few more voices to take part, ramp up gradually etc... there are hundreds of editors that COULD be invited, that may be too many. But putting in a plug in your thanks would be ideal I think. BTW if the Help! album cover isn't suitable for the project box due to fair use not being stretched to fit the box usage... the Abbey road image would be since it's on commons and is GFDL. Or the other commons image of them arriving somewhere... ++Lar: t/c 18:53, 4 March 2006 (UTC) PS, streaming right now: Best of the Guana Batz. I should queue up some of my Beatles albums to get in the mood. I've used it, but not for a few weeks. It seems to be evolving very quickly. I'm a bit shaky, just did my first page history merge and at first it looked like I'd messed up, but no all is fine, just had to wait for the server update to catch up. [1] Agreed on the queue up - I'm listening to Imagine for the first time in a long time. Skipped the title track which has become a bit cliched for me. --kingboyk 19:05, 4 March 2006 (UTC) To develop your list of voters (assuming you want to thank everyone) consider this tool: http://tools.wikimedia.de/~tim/counter/?page=John%20Lennon (It's in the popups list of things you can run on an article) 19:09, 4 March 2006 (UTC)++Lar: t/c Saw your thank you box... so Congratulations! ++Lar: t/c 05:22, 6 March 2006 (UTC) Mike Gibbins merge Hi Kingboyk, thanks for the merge and redirect on Mike Gibbins. However, if you do that for an article that is going through AfD, please also close that AfD as per the deletion process so that us vote closers know that we don't have to analyse or close the AfD since it's already been analysed. Thanks, Deathphoenix ʕ 21:59, 4 March 2006 (UTC) Hi. I did it as an implementation of WP:BOLD. I wasn't an admin at the time so I don't think I would have had the authority to close a live debate? --kingboyk 22:04, 4 March 2006 (UTC) Actually, you did. Only admins are allowed to close Delete debates, in fact, I used to close AfDs as a non-admin back when it was still called VfD. While being BOLD is a good thing, when there is a process, it's best to follow the process when other folks are involved. With AfDs, if you take action, you really should close votes. If it's a contentious vote that you don't want to close as a non-admin (which is no longer a problem with you ;-) ), you shouldn't close the vote and let someone else do it. No harm done though, I've endorsed your vote closure. --Deathphoenix ʕ 22:15, 4 March 2006 (UTC) Thanks. With that advice in mind I am about to withdraw my nomination at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Suzy Parker (Beatles Song) and close the debate. --kingboyk 22:50, 4 March 2006 (UTC) Sounds good. Yes, withdrawing a vote is okay if the AfD looks to be overwhelmingly in favour of a keep. In fact, I did that myself too when an article I AfDed (instead of speedy deleting) was overwhelming voted to keep (with quite a number of votes to "Speedy keep"). --Deathphoenix ʕ 05:13, 6 March 2006 (UTC) My talk has gone mad lately, and I missed this posting. Thanks for confirming my action, much appreciated. --kingboyk 04:56, 8 March 2006 (UTC) Somewhat related (Badfinger anyway), I put up another image of Badfinger to accompany their article. As with everything else, I'm new with uploading and defining proper clearances for images. I hope this looks OK. ZincOrbie 23:12, 7 March 2006 (UTC) I'm not an expert on copyright law but it looks ok to me. --kingboyk 23:18, 7 March 2006 (UTC) Thanks Thanks for the info on my page, I will of course be happy to join, and do anything that will be of help. BTW, I'm impressed that I was lucky enough to meet George, sometimes, it seems like a dream! He was a really genuine, unaffected gentleman - really angry when he was attacked, and really gutted when he died, such a sad loss. Be lucky, Lion King 22:50, 4 March 2006 (UTC) I always got that impression. He's the Beatle I would most liked to have known personally. He was cautious of fans and strangers I think, but loyal and strong to his friends and family. We had the same interests too - music, Dylan, the Far East, Formula One. So, I sure am impressed that you met him. I was in Malaysia when I'd heard of his passing and it was like losing a friend. --kingboyk 22:53, 4 March 2006 (UTC) Yes he was very cautious of fans, I just said hello expecting him to just say hi and keep on going on his way, but he just stayed put and started chatting. I was of course not stupid enough to ask him about The Beatles, and other dopey fan like stuff and of course did'nt ask for his autograph, I'm sure he wouldn't have hung around! I really wanted to ask him did he really help Dylan count the cash he was paid for the Isle of Wight though! Lion King 23:17, 4 March 2006 (UTC) lol! Not heard that story before (IOW). Too bad you didn't get an invite to Friar Park. Did they really sell up? The article says no. I (blush) did my A level History project on the Beatles and somehow it got onto the news wires. Got a call from TV-AM (!) and ended up appearing live on the show. They said they'd try and set up a meeting with Paul, but it never happened. In 1992, though, I went to Liverpool to see Ringo live, and Pete Best was playing the same night at the Cavern. Saw both Beatles drummers in action on the same night, and also set up an interview with Pete. He was a lovely fellow, but you could sense some sadness. Of course he hadn't got any Anthology royalties at that time. --kingboyk 23:52, 4 March 2006 (UTC) Sorry on the phone. Ah Ha! a T.V. Star eh? How the hell did you get up so early! No did'nt get an invite, got about six ciggies from him though! Not sure about the sale of of his humble abode. Did you not know about Dylan's cash payment for the Isle of Wight then? If you look at the picture of him coming through customs with Sara you will notice he is carrying a briefcase. He only played the Isle of Wight with the proviso that he be paid in cash before he went on. The story goes that George helped him count the money (£35.000 in 1969!) and put it in said briefcase! I'm glad Pete has finally made some money, he was a very accomplished drummer.Lion King 00:23, 5 March 2006 (UTC) Hmm... starting to ring a bell, but I'll have to read up on that. lol to Friar Park as a "humble abode"! Now, are you gonna sign up to the WikiProject or not?! :P --kingboyk 00:28, 5 March 2006 (UTC) Isle of Wight Festival article is a bit lame! --kingboyk 00:32, 5 March 2006 (UTC) Yeah done it! Take a look at Isle of Wight tommorrow or Monday see what I can do-gotta go back to work or I'm Hovis! Be Lucky, Lion King 00:39, 5 March 2006 (UTC) New Article I've created an article for The KLF's (JAMs) first LP, 1987: What The Fuck Is Going On?. I'm rather pleased with it. --kingboyk 01:13, 5 March 2006 (UTC) Yellow Dog (bootlegger) Man that's a big history for a 2 line article (they are the pub of those bootlegs you want to m/d)... thinking that's where to merge the Day by Day (music) to. Remember I'm m:inclusionist, I'll want to see the content go SOMEWHERE!!! :) ++Lar: t/c 02:21, 5 March 2006 (UTC) I know you are, but if an article is truly awful I can show it the door - or at least take it gently by the hand to AFD :P Your merge suggestion is good, but let's wait until we have a full stocktake done? (I know who Yellow Dog are btw, Lar, I have some of their wares!!) Amongst my large "portfolio of domain names that I should be developing instead of giving Wikipedia my time for free" is beatleswiki.com. I think cruft can go there! --kingboyk 02:26, 5 March 2006 (UTC) Nod, I have a few of those sites that need attention myself! (no wikis run by me, although I've been thinking about it, "Wiki on a stick" makes it easy.... Talk to User:Uncle G maybe, as he may have some automation that can help you with moving articles wholesale (he does it for Yellowikis which gets unwanted corpadvertspam articles. ++Lar: t/c 14:51, 5 March 2006 (UTC) Interesting. I started writing a spider and plugging the Mediawiki parser into it (which meant it had to be PHP). Was making some solid progress before Christmas, had a change of heart (felt the spider should be controlled in a daemon, and that I ought to be using Java or C# for that) and it all fell to pieces. The spider was working great, well behaved and obeyed robots.txt. The slow part was plugging in the Mediawiki parser. I want to basically deconstruct wiki articles into objects, for another project, so it's best that the spider grabs XML from Special:Export rather than the HTML. I'll have to contact Uncle G though. I own wikihell.com and I'd like to give people the chance to literally send a bad article to wikihell :P Seems like he may already have just the code that's needed --kingboyk 18:33, 5 March 2006 (UTC) The KLF nice work on the klf page. User:Schizombie and me are upgrading The Illuminatus! Trilogy and she came across these klf pyramid blaster pics but couldnt find a suitable place for them in the illuminatus article. maybe you can do something with them on the klf pages? It appears in yellow on the back of their 3 A.M. Eternal single, not sure where else. http://www.cheeksofgod.com/images/klf.jpg http://perso.wanadoo.fr/vivonzeureux/Images/klf.jpeg —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zzzzz (talk • contribs) . Yay! Yay, Stevie! This is the best welcome back gift I could ever hope for - seeing your RfA went so smoothly! I'm so happy for you, an excellent editor and even better person deserves this and more. I personally feel so proud of being your nominator, and I truly think you give me too much credit - the introduction I wrote were nothing compared to your solid contributions and your wonderful profile. Allow me to tell you, being forced out of WP makes a week feel like a year... I was longing to roam the place and visit you guys as soon as I could. Even tho I'm forced to write with one hand, I'm desperate to write as much as I can. And I have a tremendous message backlog! Congratulations again, sweetheart, I'll drop you a line later, and "yay!" again! ;) Kisses, Phædriel ♥ tell me - 16:24, 5 March 2006 (UTC) Thanks Sharon. I have a huge backlog too and desperately need to get a life, so don't worry about not writing a novella :) I just hope your hand gets better soon! --kingboyk 18:34, 5 March 2006 (UTC) Suzy Parker AfD Hello Kingboyk, and congratulations on your successful RfA! I'm glad it went through without any speed bumps. I have a question regarding the following of process in the AfD discussion for the Suzy Parker article. I don't have any problem with your decision to withdraw. In fact, I think that the WikiProject on The Beatles is a great way to go about dealing with this issue. However, I'm not sure withdrawing is actually allowed within the AfD process. It seems to me that once the discussion has started, it should remain until a consensus has been reached regardless of the feelings of the nominator. Do you think it was appropriate to make a unilateral decision to keep the article? I'm not trying to criticize, I'm just looking for your thoughts on this matter. --Cymsdale 02:16, 6 March 2006 (UTC) Hi, and thanks. Early closing is allowed. There were no strong 'delete' votes, only merge or delete, including yours, and a clear consensus had been reached to keep or merge. Ironically, the only strong delete vote was mine, which I withdrew. The fact is that I think the article should be nuked, and yet I saved it because the community was telling me I'd messed up by nominating it. That's not being unilateral, it's exactly what an admin should be doing isn't it? I hope that's a satisfactory answer. Please be assured that if that article doesn't get merged somewhere I'll relist it - but the way the AFD was going it would have survived. --kingboyk 02:31, 6 March 2006 (UTC) P.S. I've withdrawn several nominations in the past when they've gone pearshaped. Nobody complained so I assume it's fine. The only difference this time is that I closed it too, because of this advice. It was an uncontroversial decision to close this discussion early, and I don't have any problem with the result. I was just looking at the overall policy decision of allowing a withdrawal to break the AfD process. Example scenario: 10-20 people all agree that an article should be deleted, but a sole dissenter convinces the nominator it should be a keep, therefore he withdraws. Obviously, this is far different than from what you have done. --Cymsdale 10:45, 6 March 2006 (UTC) I've only ever withdrawn them where people are saying one after the other "keep". The situation you describe would be rather troublesome indeed. I couldn't support that - it would be a unilateral decision against concensus. Agree with you there 100%. Perhaps I should have just closed this one as "Keep, early close". It's down to semantics really, I withdrew it because the concensus was clear, and I closed it because I withdrew it :) Well anyway, don't worry I don't and won't withdraw or early close controversial AFDs, if I ever do then come and hit with me a big stick :)--kingboyk 16:24, 6 March 2006 (UTC) On the closed AfD vote there was some mention of starting an article on unreleased Beatle-recorded compositions. I think that's a good idea. It can include obscure items like "Suzy Parker," and notables like "World Without Love." And along the lines of "Suzy Parker," I would include the song "Madman" from the same sessions. ZincOrbie 18:17, 8 March 2006 (UTC) Discussion moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject The Beatles. --kingboyk 19:10, 8 March 2006 (UTC) Beatle Barkers Hello. I've expanded the Beatle Barkers stub article a little to help with verifying the information. I have the album on cassette someplace so it's definitely real and verifiable. I guess the album wasn't too popular in it's day compared to a lot of other music releases and hasn't attracted much of a following online. I'll see what else I can dig up. Thanks for alerting me about it. -- Longhair 17:22, 6 March 2006 (UTC) You're welcome. Let's keep the chat on the article's talk page, for ease of threading. --kingboyk 17:27, 6 March 2006 (UTC) RfA/Christopherlin Thanks for your vote in my recent RfA. It closed (22/11/8). Next time I'm up will be after I have more demonstrated familiarity with "the process". I hope to have your support at that time. --Christopherlin 17:45, 6 March 2006 (UTC) Length Hiya kingboyk, I really do need to archive; it's a Project :-) Will get it done properly before the wiki explodes. Cheers, +sj + 20:00, 6 March 2006 (UTC) Re:Beatles stub templates Hi - thought you'd like to see what I put on the Wikipedia:WikiProject The Beatles page re: stub templates (I'm a very active member of WP:WSS, and if necessary can quote chapter and verse :) Grutness...wha? 23:28, 6 March 2006 (UTC) Thanks. That won't be necessary! I'll move the conversation to the project talk page but I have better things to do than get into a fight/land-grab with another WikiProject over something as trivial as stubs :) --kingboyk 23:35, 6 March 2006 (UTC) Heh - it's not so much that, but they do have reasons for doing what they do over there, and there's nothing worse that two wikiprojects stepping on each others toes. I doubt we'd need more than that one stub template anyway. Grutness...wha? 00:47, 7 March 2006 (UTC) Yep, agreed. --kingboyk 00:48, 7 March 2006 (UTC) Congratulations! Congratulations! It's my pleasure to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator. You should read the relevant policies and other pages linked to from the administrators' reading list before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages such as the Main Page. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find the new administrators' how-to guide helpful. Cheers! -- Cecropia 17:09, 4 March 2006 (UTC) Congratulations Kingboyk --Ugur Basak 09:08, 6 March 2006 (UTC) Congratulations from me, too! You truly deserved to be an admin. Good luck with The Beatles WikiProject. --Thorpe | talk 10:44, 6 March 2006 (UTC) Congratulations! You deserve this honour. Good luck for the future. --Siva1979Talk to me 14:14, 6 March 2006 (UTC) Congratulations!! Mushroom (Talk) 14:43, 6 March 2006 (UTC) Congratulations from me also and glad you liked the box.--Dakota ~ ° 02:41, 6 March 2006 (UTC) (I borrowed Dakota's box formatting for my RFA Thanks. She's not being sarcastic, I told her I had done it :) --kingboyk 17:13, 6 March 2006 (UTC)) Congratulations. Here are what pass for words of wisdom from the puppy: Remember you will always save the wrong version. Remember you must always follow the rules, except for when you ignore them. You will always pick the wrong one to do. Remember to assume good faith and not bite. Remember that when you are applying these principles most diligently, you are probably dealing with a troll. Use the block ability sparingly. Enjoy the insults you receive when you do block. Remember when you make these errors, someone will be more than happy to point them out to you in dazzling clarity and descriptive terminology. and finally, Remember to contact me if you ever need assistance, and I will do what I am able. KillerChihuahua?!? 22:03, 6 March 2006 (UTC) --lol, sadly I suspect you are right. I'll do my best, which won't always be good enough. Thanks for the offer, you'll no doubt be hearing from me. --kingboyk 22:13, 6 March 2006 (UTC) Congrats Kingboyk - I have come to understand that you are a fair admin and a hard-working editor. Keep up the good work. (and sorry for commendeering your talk page for the last wee while!) --Mal 04:51, 8 March 2006 (UTC) Afd I'm delighted to see you have decided to dive in and start helping with the housekeeping. From looking at your deletion log[2], I see you have been careful to always fill in the Reason for deletion: section, and add the summary to the top of the Afd entry, which is a Very Good Thing. Kudos, and keep up the good work! KillerChihuahua?!? 00:33, 7 March 2006 (UTC) I can't believe you deleted "analrapist"! Why, you deletionist so and so... I suppose it's too late to take my vote back? (snicker) ++Lar: t/c 01:25, 7 March 2006 (UTC) Pfff! I'm deleting User:Lar and Lego next! ;-) --kingboyk 01:27, 7 March 2006 (UTC) User:Lar? Go for it. I'll either see you in ArbComm, or get some actual work done (which is worse?? dunno...). Lego? You wouldn't dare... If you delete the article the product will still exist, and there are more minifigs than people, you know... Watch your back, they don't annoy easily but when they do, look out. you'd be like Gulliver in Lilliput ++Lar: t/c 01:55, 7 March 2006 (UTC) I'm telling my mum of you! :-( --kingboyk 02:04, 7 March 2006 (UTC) of me?? Is she a big LEGO fan then, or did you mean "on me"? To see me in all my madness, go here: http://www.miltintrainworks.com... PS do you think I came on too strong here? Talk:The Observatory (band) (why does this article exist section) Feel free to weigh in, some comment from a noted deletionist like yourself might be just the thing! ++Lar: t/c 02:12, 7 March 2006 (UTC) "I'm telling my mum of you" was a playground refrain when I was at school, meaning "you're in big trouble mate!". Heading over to Talk:The Observatory (band) now. --kingboyk 02:16, 7 March 2006 (UTC) For me as well, except it was "I'm telling my mom on you". Clearly UK/US... ++Lar: t/c 02:22, 7 March 2006 (UTC) Brevity is the soul of wit. We just said "I'm telllling!" I dropped by to compliment you on your actions here[3], perfect handling as well as edit summary. Its so nice when one has supported the right person in Rfa. KillerChihuahua?!? 11:17, 7 March 2006 (UTC) Thanks. I appreciated that message very much. --kingboyk 20:45, 7 March 2006 (UTC) Recent block It looks like a few of us were dealing with this block: 210.15.254.45 at once. I've set the block to the median range of the three blocks. If you disagree with this feel free reduce to your original time, but please let Martyman know as well. Thanks, -- xaosflux Talk/CVU 02:08, 7 March 2006 (UTC) Observatory and your msg. Hi, as an updating admin, I only raise questions on the interestingness and the originality of the entry and whenever I have doubts on the notability, I raise questions on the template talk page - my responses to the queries of Phr on my talkpage can be found here. Thanks for stepping in. --Gurubrahma 03:27, 7 March 2006 (UTC) DYK answer toned down - yes, censored - no. Since "what the F...." is in brackets, the suggestion itslef can mention 1987. btw, first add a suggestion to Template talk:Did you know and we will see how it goes. Some time back, an admin added something about a type of dildo - it was there for some three hours and after lot of talk on Talk:Main Page, it was removed. See that your suggestion itself is toned down. However, I feel that the article is on the shorter side and you may want to have a go at expanding it. hope this helps, --Gurubrahma 03:40, 7 March 2006 (UTC) Yes it does, thank you (and for your previous answer too). --kingboyk 03:41, 7 March 2006 (UTC) My RFA Thanks for your support in my RFA. The final vote count was (66/2/3), so I am now an administrator. Please let me know if at any stage you need help, or if you have comments on how I am doing as an admin. Have a nice day! Stifle 17:02, 7 March 2006 (UTC) Re : Nomination for adminship for (aeropagitica) Hello! Thank you for taking the time to vote for me in my recent request for adminship It ended successfully with a final score of (40/10/5). I value all of the contributions made during the process and I will take a special note of the constructive criticism regarding interacting with users in the user talk space. If you have questions or requests, please leave a message.  (aeropagitica)  17:09, 7 March 2006 (UTC) illuminatus the The Illuminatus! Trilogy article is now up for "featured article" status. please go to Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/The Illuminatus! Trilogy to vote Support or Oppose with your comments. cheers. Zzzzz 17:55, 7 March 2006 (UTC) Marillion & making friends Hello. First of all, please don't use revert to rollback rationalised edits wholesale. If you disagree with certain things, change them, explain why in the edit summary, and take it to the talk page if necessary. Rolling back my entire edits is plain rude and very bad form. Note that my only interest in these matters is as the closing administrator of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Crowd (disambiguation). I'm concerned that you are adding your own point of view to Wikipedia. You seem to consider it a tragedy that Marillion didn't reach number one, thanks to those nasty people releasing a charity record. I've attempted to tone down those edits. My addition of the {{fact}} tag is not a slight on the article you have created in any way. I've even added it to my own edits on occasion. All it does it tell you and other editors that words have been attributed to someone else without attribution**. Why should an encyclopedia reader take your word for it?! Instead of reverting me, click on the citation link, and you'll find out how to cite a reference. Once it's done, remove the tag, and everybody's happy. --kingboyk 23:36, 7 March 2006 (UTC) **I mean: you've quoted someone or laid down a fact without saying where it came from. --kingboyk 00:02, 8 March 2006 (UTC) Hi. Firstly, I don't know what The Crowd disambig article has to do with Marillion. I reverted one of your changes as I saw no need to have made them in the first place. I did what you have suggested: I changed the edits, explained why in the edit summary, and I think I may have left a comment on the discussion page also. You may be concerned about me adding point of view to the article, but I assure you that is not the case. The fact is that it is unfortunate (not a "trajedy") that the song didn't reach number one, because charity records regarding high-profile disasters, events or causes (and Novelty songs also) are uniquely very likely to reach Number One. Do not attempt to impress your own POV on me, nor put words in my mouth: I did not suggest there was anything "nasty" about the producers of the charity single in question, and I point you to WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA. I suggest you be careful with your own tone. As for the citation thing, I added my citation in the revert I believe. This may not be standard practice, and for that I apologise. The end result was the same, but you have taught me something useful: thank you. --Mal 23:49, 7 March 2006 (UTC) Thanks. You need to cite it within the article - have a look at The KLF and see how I do it, or let me know the web address of the sources (if they're online) and I'll do it for you. Please don't confuse constructive criticism of your edits to personal attacks. I do apologise though if you took offence. I have no POV on the matter. I'm not familiar with either record. I do take your point about the tough competition of being up against a charity record, if you were to put what you've just said to me into the article it would make it much better. As for the relation to The Crowd, in deleting that disambiguation article I had to check and fix incoming links. My fix at the Kayleigh article was one of the things you deleted by reverting my entire set of edits! --kingboyk 23:57, 7 March 2006 (UTC) Thanks regarding the citation. I haven't looked at the Kayleigh article since I read your message about it, though I presume you have reverted it again as you are letting me know that the issue is still outstanding. Your edit comments seemed to carry POV themselves "Marillion fans seem to really hate these charity people".. etc (not quoted word for word of course). The first thing I thought was: "I'm not 'Marillion fans' - I'm one person!" I think that without those comments, I probably wouldn't have been so resistant or quick-acting. Obviously I am only human, and I accept your apology gladly. As for the The Crowd article - someone had renamed it (supergroup in brackets) and asked for opinion and consensus (implied) on the talk page. I had assumed that this was still the name of the article, until I looked at it after having reverted your edits of the Marillion article. lol I hope that makes sense! I'm a wee bit busy just at the minute, so if you want to do the citing for me, I found the quotes on http://www.imdb.com/ .. I think if you look up Derek Dick or Fish, it should get you to his page on there. From there, there is a quotations link at the bottom of the article about him. Don't worry too much about it though - if you don't do it, I'll do it later. Regarding the "unfortunate" comment - I think there should be some compromise regarding it. Kayliegh would more than likely have reached number one had it not been for the release of a charity record, and it is indeed unfortunate that their best stab at hitting the number one spot was taken from them by way of bad timing essentially. If we could come up with some wording that reflects that, I think that would be a good compromise. Note that I didn't change your edit of the same comment on the The Crowd article (as far as I remember). Cheers. --Mal 00:19, 8 March 2006 (UTC) I think if you explain it in the terms you used to explain it to me, that's great. I don't think there's any need for it to be mentioned in the Crowd article, and indeed you didn't revert my changes. [Same thing you described holds true when a famous artist dies. I can't remember which, but I seem to recall a favourite band or artist of mine being held off number one by a "dead star" as The Smiths put it.] There's no rush re the citing; when you've had a chance to find the quotes, see if you can work out how to do it if not come back to me and I'll do it for you. You have the makings of a nice article there, I just want to help you make it better. Edit summary was a bit brash, agreed, sorry. Adminship changes your experience you know. When you're dealing with deleting cruft and blocking immature vandals it can all get a bit depressing. Consider me admonished. Yep re The Crowd. I named it back when I deleted the dab page. (music) sounded better to me. Comments are welcome, I could always move it back :-) I don't want you to think I've got it in for you, so let me bring up Marillion singles (1982 - 1988) with you in person! If I hadn't already started a discussion with you and indeed wasn't wanting you not to hate me :-) I'd probably nominate that article for deletion. First of all, it has no incoming links. It's an orphan. Secondly, if one were to remove the material from that article which is already in - or which belongs in - Kayleigh, He Knows You Know, Fugazi (album), Punch And Judy (song), and Market Square Heroes you'd have nothing much left beyond a short list of singles. Finally, the singles infoboxes belong in the articles for the individual singles, not all together in one article. What I propose you do is: delete everything from that article which is duplicate. Put what's left about specific singles into the singles articles. Once you've done that, you're probably left with little more than a list of singles and a few words of comment. Merge that into Marillion and create a redirect. What do you think? --kingboyk 00:31, 8 March 2006 (UTC) Just to show no malice is intended, I've created Category:Marillion singles for you, and spiced up the Category:Marillion page. --kingboyk 00:44, 8 March 2006 (UTC) Re: The Crowd (music) <<<--- that's the title I gave the article when I created it you know! lol But I didn't object to it having been changed. I don't object to your changing it back either - particularly if it conforms to the 'apparent' standard (most other music-related articles I've noticed seem to have (music) after the name if there is ambiguity. Regarding the Marillion singles article - its a work-in-progress, and I've just found out yesterday that I can use the inuse tag to reflect that. The incoming links - I don't know the policy about that tbh, or if there are any other orphaned articles that exist and are fine in that regard. I do plan on (and thanks for reminding me) putting a link to it from the Marillion article. Regarding the singles articles... I created the singles article specifically because someone had wanted to delete the article Assassing for two reasons: 1) It is a made-up word, and 2) because the single apparently isn't notable enough to warrant its own article. Obviously the first reason was dribble, as the article wasn't about the word but rather about a single. The second reason had much more merit, and I could understand that there perhaps shouldn't be a separate article for every single that's ever been released around the globe. Despite this, I've been quoted by an admin on another matter that "we have plenty of space you know!" Anyway, because of that, I had a talk on one of the discussion pages somewhere, which later moved to one person's talk page.. about what should be done about the singles released by Marillion. Adding them to the Marillion article seemed a good way to create a very long article that might get objections from some editors. Creating separate articles for each single ran the risk of having some editors cfd them. So we came up with this solution to see if there would be any objections, but I didn't delete (or rather request deletion of) the singles articles themselves.. because I wanted to see if they got noticed and were subjected to cfd notices. The singles templates... well - I thought it was the best way to summarise the singles in a nice graphical format that's easy to read... and also, Marillion are noted for their cover art for that period. There's only a limited number of singles from that period of time obviously, so the article isn't going to be an indefinate 'list'. I'm not rejecting outright your suggestion - just explaining my reasoning, and I'd like to hear your thoughts. I know you're citing this as an example of how you don't "have it in for me", but I know that now because you apologised to me - so no worries there. :) Having started off on the wrong foot, I feel we've entered into useful dialogue here.. and isn't that often the way of things? Regarding frustration as being an admin, I'm sure you'd agree that there's a fair amount of frustration in simply being an editor: everyone has a point of view ... even POVs about POV! It frustrating thinking that you've created a great article or edit, and having someone... mess it up on you, shall we say? I've done it myself too, I'm sure.. so I'm not getting at you about the Marillion/The Crowd thing! Added to that is probably the frustration of having to act in fairness even if you don't necessarily agree with what you yourself have to do as an admin. Anyway - I look forward to your thoughts, and yes - let's keep this on your talk page for the sake of clarity etc. As I've edited your talk page, you're automatically on my watchlist, and I'll keep you on it for the next wee while. Thanks again. Just read your latest comment, which you added while I was adding this comment! Thanks - I was thinking about the cat myself while I as writing this.. this long comment, full of convoluted sentences!! Hope it makes some kind of sense! --Mal 01:05, 8 March 2006 (UTC) OK, good stuff. It seems like you have some sort of plan. Yikes, how am I going to reply to this it's so long... Deletion of singles. Kayleigh is fine, it was a #2 hit (and ;) nearly a number one). The others might struggle for notability. That doesn't mean you need to save the content duplicated into another article though. First of all, they'd come out of AFD as 'merge' I think, if they weren't kept. If they were straightforward deleted, you can always let me know and I can get the article text for you. It's never lost; Mediawiki just stores it in a deleted edits table. If you wanted to test the waters, you could even finish the singles articles, spruce them up and assert some notability, then list them on AFD yourself saying you want them kept and you consider them notable but what do other editors think? Agreed re the cover art. I was going to say that you too. It's great. {{inuse}} means "I'm working on the article right now. Don't edit it please, as we'll get edit conflicts". There may well be another tag for "under construction", you'll have to dig around in the Help files (Templates section) to see if you can find one. I won't do anything more about this, you have a plan and I hope things are a bit clearer for you now. All I'll say about the Singles list is that it's a bit odd to have multiple singles infoboxes. They're really meant to be one per article I think. You could replicate the same by using tables. Have a look at some of the discographies out there. (I'd recommend you create Marillion discography by the way). --kingboyk 01:22, 8 March 2006 (UTC) P.S. You're not "banned" from editing Kayleigh you know! I just objected to you wholesale reverting my edits rather than tinkering with what you disagreed with. Get to it! As an aside, I noticed you have an interest in a Beatles wikiproject. Being a long-time fan of them, I wouldn't mind offering help if any is needed. And I notice you're a programmer. For a living? What is your most-used language? --Mal 01:16, 8 March 2006 (UTC) I wouldn't call it a living. My recent project - currently idle, but I need to get back to it is wiki sites and a Wikipedia mirror. I'd started writing a parser and spider in PHP, but when Christmas came the break really screwed me up. I got into thinking that the spider should be daemon controlled, and that would mean something like Java or C# (Mono). I'm Microsoft certified in VB.NET, I used to write crazy long Bash scripts, and I can write a mean regular expression (sed, and yes I can do Apache rewrites). Unfortunately though I have to confess I'm very much a jack of all trades and master of none. I'm a good programmer and thorough but I'm just too damn slow. A perfectionist. We'd welcome you at the Beatles WikiProject. Head over to Wikipedia:WikiProject_The_Beatles#Participants and sign up. Various tasks and projects are listed there. Where your help would be most welcome right now is comments on how to proceed (this is a new project) (Wikipedia talk:WikiProject The Beatles, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject The Beatles/Article Classification). If you really want to help with something substantive - and boy would we welcome it - have a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject The Beatles/Article Classification. All it involves is reading Beatles articles, applying a few tweaks whilst you're there, and then grading the article for quality/work needed. --kingboyk 01:34, 8 March 2006 (UTC) The singles article approach makes sense to me for bands that have enough, but not too many, singles. As to Kayleigh not making #1 and how to word it, perhaps a wording might be "a twist of fate" rather than "unfortunate"?. BTW I've been a Marillion fan since forever, just about. I saw them at The Chance in Poughkeepsie in the late 80's early '90's, I forget exactly when... Mal, if you'd like to get in on the fun over at WikiProject The Beatles that would be awesome. It's an enormous topic! (I popped in here for something else and darn if I can rememeber what!) ++Lar: t/c 01:30, 8 March 2006 (UTC) A twist of fate is good. Lar, any idea what that little 'box' is at the bottom of my talk and how to get rid of it? Doesn't seem to be an image, presumably something wrong with the HTML or style. --kingboyk 01:36, 8 March 2006 (UTC) lol We keep on getting edit conflicts here! I'm going to paste in what I had added, and you can ignore anything that's now irrelevent! Hope you don't mind me doing some indenting here and there. Yeah - sorry about the length of my last comment! As for editing Kayleigh - I'm kinda busy doing several things at the minute, and trying to get a mis-behaving PC to stop locking and rebooting on me! And I have to think about how best to word the 'bad luck' that Marillion had. I think you missed my last comment about the Beatles and programming by the way. I'm still slightly unclear as to what should be the best approach. I'm thinking of continuing 'as is' and waiting for other comments, considering I've already created the singles article. I'll look into creating tables instead of using the singles template (though it is a table itself). I worked on most (if not all) of the singles articles in my User space, so I should have copies of them. I might re-create the different articles anyway though. I've noticed that some people have already started to contribute to the separate singles articles. Thanks for the info regarding inuse etc. About the discography - you mean a separate article? I'll have a look around to see if I can see others.. I thought there was a Marillion discography on the Marillion page. I'll check that out too. --Mal 01:45, 8 March 2006 (UTC) I replied to those comments abt Beatles and coding, you'll have to scan up through this riduculosuly long thread :-) Yes I mean a seperate discography. Kind of a hybrid between what you have at Marillion and what Marillion singles (1982 - 1988) might be if the redundant (duplicate) info were deleted. See as examples The Beatles discography, KLF discography, Kylie Minogue discography. --kingboyk 01:49, 8 March 2006 (UTC) This might be a long discussion, but I consider it worth it. :) Thanks for the examples of the discographies - I'll be looking into them soon. As for programming - I'm a bit hotch-potch these days cos I'm out of practice basically. I found myself creating too many projects, with very little time! Lar - thanks for your comments too - I'll be joining the Beatles project as soon as I've finished doing some other things (like replying to you guys here! lol). Incidentally, I've been a fan of Marillion since about a year before they released Misplaced Childhood. I went to see them in Belfast shortly after on the Misplaced tour, on the only time the band has ever appeared in Northern Ireland. It was also my first gig! I've not got into the 'H' era yet though. --Mal 01:59, 8 March 2006 (UTC) First gig - Carter USM, Brunel University, 1990. Lar? --kingboyk 02:17, 8 March 2006 (UTC) Little boxes and whence they're from I have no idea. I was wondering that myself. I think it's recent. It's very decorative, that's for sure. There's something funny about this formatting overall, I tried to crib it and a lot of the boxes and things on my pages went all wonky so I didn't save it. I fired up IE just to check (the sacrifices I make for you mate!...) and in IE it has a fairly fat purple outline.... same color as Aeropagita's reverse video. That might be a clue? ++Lar: t/c 01:45, 8 March 2006 (UTC) I now think it's related because when I comment out his thanks and preview, it's gone. SOmething about the div or his sig or the background or ?? ++Lar: t/c 01:48, 8 March 2006 (UTC) Interesting, no edit conflict! I posted a reply in the section above, and got a "new messages" banner. Maybe a clue towards an answer to our Mediawiki discussion? --kingboyk 01:50, 8 March 2006 (UTC) Maybe I'm just getting excitable. There might have been a short gap between our posts. Kylie Minogue discography is pure goodness Lar, take a look. And I don't mean text content or formatting! :P The formatting is Phaedrial's lovely work. It's a recent breakage for sure, so I'll check the edit history/diffs to see if Aeropagita is the culprit. --kingboyk 01:52, 8 March 2006 (UTC) Looks like the contributor after Aeropagita messed up, accidentally removed some of Aeropagita's formatting, tried to clean it up but didn't quite pull it off :-) [4] Should be fixed now. --kingboyk 02:00, 8 March 2006 (UTC) Ya, I know Phaedriel did it. I'm in her queue, you know... about three blokes ahead of me before she treats my pages, if and when... As for Kylie, been on to her charms since I was in Sydney in 2000. (I got Fever then I think?? I forget. That's also when I got hooked on The Whitlams, and Yothu Yindi...) I saw the opening ceremony on TV and went to the massive Hyde Park free concert, but was no longer in country at the closing where she performed. ++Lar: t/c 02:28, 8 March 2006 (UTC) Re Redeemer speedy deletion request Hi, I've deleted the talk page redirect for that page, but I've left the article redirect in place for the reasons stated in my edit summary. If you need it deleted because you want to move another page there, let me know which page you want moved there and I'll do it. --kingboyk 22:56, 7 March 2006 (UTC) Thanks for your message, kingboyk; your action understood. I'll add starting a disambiguation page to replace the redirection to my already-overly-long to-do list, although if inspiration strikes... Best wishes, David 01:56, 8 March 2006 (UTC) Redeemer (disambiguation) might be of interest? --kingboyk 02:03, 8 March 2006 (UTC) Ah yes, I didn't think to look if such a page already existed, but am glad someone did. I've just reorganised it a little and redirected Redeemer toward it; will that suffice?  Thanks, David 02:42, 8 March 2006 (UTC) I've moved it to Redeemer. All you need to do now is go to Special:Whatlinkshere/Redeemer and fix the incoming links so that they point to the relevant article and not to Redeemer. Job done! --kingboyk 02:46, 8 March 2006 (UTC) Wow, that was nifty. Will therefore attend to said links promptly. Thanks! David Kernow 02:50, 8 March 2006 (UTC) Should you come back here to fix a link, the links on this page can stay intact to report what we've done. Thanks for the thanks - did I mention the $10 service charge? :-) --kingboyk 02:58, 8 March 2006 (UTC) Northern Ireland vs Northern Irish Just out of curiousity, I might need your advice about this at some point. I'll leave it for another time though, if you don't mind that is. --Mal 02:01, 8 March 2006 (UTC) Gosh. I don't know. Ask someone from another country :-) (I'm a Brit). "Northern Ireland" would be less likely to offend across the community I would have thought, but I'd prefer either an Irish person like your good self or an observer from afar to comment not me :) Is that a sufficiently "politician" answer? --kingboyk 02:04, 8 March 2006 (UTC) lol, well I'm a Brit too, but that's kinda part of my point about this: I can't see that the term "Northern Irish" would cause offence to anyone. I've lived here all my life and never known it to cause offence to anyone. Polls taken here have shown that "Northern Irish" is the preferred nomenclature for a majority of people here... even over other terms such as "Ulsterman/woman", "British" and/or "Irish". So I don't think politics really plays a part in it. Anyway - I asked you and I didn't even know where you were from to be perfectly honest! For all I knew, you were from Ireland, UK, USA or Switzerland! lol Thanks for your thoughts though. I'll try to explain in more detail later perhaps - I really kinda need technical advice on procedure more than anything.. which is why I'm hoping you can advise me in your capacity of an admin. --Mal 03:01, 8 March 2006 (UTC) Sure. It's "Capacity as an admin for less than a week" but whatever! Don't you ever sleep? :P --kingboyk 03:03, 8 March 2006 (UTC) see User_talk:Kingboyk#Congratulations.21 lol I have this 'condition'! Hehe actually, I'm back from the USA, where I plan to relocate, and haven't bothered getting around to getting myself a temporary job yet before I return there. Again - I didn't realise you had only been an admin for a short time.. but I'm sure you've been an editor for longer in any case, and you're probably at least reasonably versed in policy etc. You've already shown me that you're better versed in it than me - and that's kinda helpful! --Mal 03:39, 8 March 2006 (UTC) Would you do me a favour and take a look at this discussion for me: Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 March 1#Category:Northern Ireland football clubs to Category:Northern Irish football clubs and give me your thoughts on the matter? Cheers. --Mal 03:27, 10 March 2006 (UTC) Funny thing is, I was doing just that as you wrote to me! My service is so good I do what you ask before u even ask for it! :P --kingboyk 03:30, 10 March 2006 (UTC) lol.. and there's nothing like making you admins work fer a living! ;) :P Gonna take a gander at your thoughts then, assuming you've left a comment. --Mal 03:33, 10 March 2006 (UTC) Well all I commented on is was the "precedent" of September 2005, which to me is nonsense. Let me take another look before I comment on the bigger picture. --kingboyk 03:35, 10 March 2006 (UTC) Beatles article classification I'm not going to report to you every time I do an edit(!), but I was hoping you'd take a look at my Jane Asher entry to see if it's up to the standard for this that you'd expect. --Mal 04:04, 8 March 2006 (UTC) You're not going to report to me?! Just can't get the staff! :P I've got a microwave curry on the go and will crack open a bottle of red (yes it is 4am) and take a look, my good man. --kingboyk 04:07, 8 March 2006 (UTC) Good stuff. Just need to sign it. Great, welcome aboard! --kingboyk 04:22, 8 March 2006 (UTC) Bot visits Yes, there is some overlap between the tasks they've worked on - and the timings. SB is working on Caps in Headings BB is working on many different problems with "See also" and "External links". That's why we hit the same article. In theory it shouldn't matter because if the change is already done the second bot will do nothing - but we had slightly different settings/versions so a small change occurred. I've upgraded to the latest version since that run, so I hope that will not happen again. I've also requested a feature to reduce solely minor edits. Rich Farmbrough 19:45 8 March 2006 (UTC). Beatles Wikiproject Thanks for the invitation. I have joined the project and hope to help out where I can. I look forward to working with you in the future to make Wikipedia a better place for information on the Beatles. --El Slameron 23:58, 8 March 2006 (UTC) Cry Baby, Cry This will p*ss you off big time, considering you're a fan of the Beatles. I was married years ago now. When we separated, I had put a lot of my belongings in the roofspace of the house we had shared, for collection later when I had moved into more permanent place. Amongst my belongings was a picture that my auntie had given me. She had been to see the Beatles on one of their two gigs in Belfast ('63 or '64 I think). She had got her publicity photo of the Beatles signed by three Beatles, and their road manager at the time (I forget his name). John Lennon's autograph was in pen, the rest in pencil. George Harrison was the missing Beatle. For a few months I had not been in contact with my wife, for reasons that were appropriate at the time. When I finally got around to seeing her again, she told me that she had taken all my stuff and thrown it in a dump - cleared out the attic. What do you think of them Apples? ARRRRGH!!! --Mal 00:39, 9 March 2006 (UTC) My mother's copy of the White Album burned. You have my sympathies. KillerChihuahua?!? 00:58, 9 March 2006 (UTC) Alerting My apologies -- did not mean to overstep, or to step on any toes. I'm still trying to get the hang of things, and of rules around here. --Mhking 02:51, 9 March 2006 (UTC) Deletions Okay. I'll try AfD. SouthernComfort 06:38, 9 March 2006 (UTC) Editing others' comments in discussion pages? I was looking at a discussion page (Talk:2006_Dublin_riots) and I had noticed that someone had left an email address in there. I thought that was strange, but I'm going to assume the editor inserted their own email address (instead of signing their comment). However, when I was investigating it (thinking it might have been some kind of abuse), I noticed that the same user that had left the email address had altered another editor's comment. I was going to change things and put a warning up on the user's talk page, but I thought I'd say something to you instead, in case these things are handled in a specific way or this user has a history of abuse. The text changed was "evaporated from County Dublin and the rest of the Free State/"Republic")." and the change can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3A2006_Dublin_riots&diff=42603771&oldid=42446267 I hope that link works properly. Hope you don't mind me bringing it to your attention. --Mal 17:23, 9 March 2006 (UTC) Few things there. Changing other people's comments on the sly can be considered vandalism. However, since both contributions were from IP addresses it might be that it was the same person, toning down their earlier comment? (assume good faith). Without giving too much away, one IP address traces to a library, one to a company, both in the US. Adding an email address to an article is a no no. Signing talk with your own email, well, that's up to you really isn't it? :) If I had found the edit you mentioned, I'd make a gentle note about the change on the talk page and move on. It's no massively big deal and doesn't require admin intervention, unless there is repeated vandalism going on. --kingboyk 01:01, 10 March 2006 (UTC) Excellent. I'm glad I decided to bring it to your attention now, instead of trying to revert etc. Thanks for taking a look for me. --Mal 02:03, 10 March 2006 (UTC) naing naing AfD Hello, I notice that you speedied this after it was relisted to generate more consensus. You may have missed the fact that there was a keep vote outstanding on the grounds that the article met the notability guideline. Since someone went to the trouble of relisting, and someone else actually cast a keep vote that they didn't have time to discuss, would there be any harm in letting the second AfD run the full time in order to build this consensus? -ikkyu2 (talk) 21:50, 9 March 2006 (UTC) Hi. I didn't speedy it, I closed an 8 day old debate as now showing consensus. There was one weak keep versus 5 deletes. I'm new at this game so if you still feel it was wrong you'd better get back to me. In the meantime, I'm happy to userfy it. --kingboyk 22:25, 9 March 2006 (UTC) I've asked another admin for an opinion and it seems I might have been a little hasty. Please therefore accept an apology from me. Would you like me to undelete and relist it? --kingboyk 23:47, 9 March 2006 (UTC) No apology necessary. I think one way to proceed would be to just un-close that AfD, undelete, and let it run for 4 more days, at which point I suspect it'll end up with the eventual deletion of the article anyway. But that way no one can point fingers and say "out of process." Well, I mean, they could, but it wouldn't hold water. -ikkyu2 (talk) 00:07, 10 March 2006 (UTC) Righto, will do. And, just to be clear, it's the presence of a keep vote that is the problem? (I've seen relisted articles closed within hours of the relisting with barely 3 or 4 'votes' - monkey see, monkey do :) ). --kingboyk 00:45, 10 March 2006 (UTC) Well, I think there's no hard and fast rule here. Generally we don't speedy things when a keep vote is present; you're certainly right that this can hardly be 'speedy' because it was listed for 5 days already before it was relisted. What I have noted is that, when something's relisted for lack of consensus, there are certain folks who typically make it their business to leave their opinion on those particular AfDs, so I sort of feel like when you relist, there's the expectation of another 5 days to get a discussion and a consensus going. I never did see the original article; if it met one of the CSD's, then this whole discussion is super-moot and you as an admin ought to delete it on sight. Not being an admin myself, I can't see deleted article histories and so I am always unsure as to whether or not I should even be offering my opinion as to what the process ought to be. -ikkyu2 (talk) 02:28, 10 March 2006 (UTC) Right. I did think at the time you were an admin hence my jump to attention :) It's certainly not convention that a relisted debate must continue for another 5 days. I believed my closure was correct, another admin said (to paraphrase) not totally incorrect but a little hasty, so as always process is as clear as mud! At the end of the day, it's a case of "no harm done", and I'm happy that you get a chance to evaluate the article and contribute to the debate. Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated. --kingboyk 02:40, 10 March 2006 (UTC) Sorry if I misled you into thinking I was an admin, that wasn't intentional. I am still learning about the deletion policy and process; I think I probably understand it better than the average admin does, actually, but that says much about the Byzantine state of the deletion policy and very little about the good-faith attempts of the average overworked admin :) Once I feel that i have a clear handle on the deletion policy, which won't be very much longer, I will probably nominate myself for adminship for AfD cleanup duty. -ikkyu2 (talk) 23:45, 10 March 2006 (UTC) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Beatles Real Person Fic Well THAT didn't take you very long, did it? Smile. ++Lar: t/c 01:35, 10 March 2006 (UTC) Ever heard of "wiki stalking"? :P --kingboyk 01:36, 10 March 2006 (UTC) We're all wiki-stalkers here, didn't you know? :P KillerChihuahua?!? 01:37, 10 March 2006 (UTC) Apparently I didn't invent the term, then? So then, since you're stalking me and have been watching what I was up to, what do you think of the classification page now? I think it's loads better. The edit links are too big but that's not the end of the world. I would like to find a rainbow of colors that more properly works for all the types though than what we have now... ++Lar: t/c 01:46, 10 March 2006 (UTC) C'est tres bon! --kingboyk 01:49, 10 March 2006 (UTC) my edits with AWB my edits are not vandalism and the second edit you quoted is not pointless. At the moment I am using AWB to move Template:record-label-stub to the proper place in articles using the what links here functions, on top of that I decided not to just drop the issue with that article you think should be a stub since there are definitely good reasonings why it should stay a stub. Oh and I'm also checking the edits as I go, if you used AWB you would know that it has been modified (sometime in the last couple of versions) to make it nearly impossible to ignore the changes you are making unless you are actively attempting to ignore them which I do not so please withdraw your threat to block me and re-add me to the authorized list so I can get back to work. Pegasus1138Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 04:00, 10 March 2006 (UTC) Your edit summary is incorrect (you are "destubbing per...." not "cleaning up"), and you've broken the other rules. I used AWB only a few days ago, I know perfectly well how it works. I can see you've stopped so I won't be blocking you, but I won't be adding you back until you've shown me that a) you know how to change the AWB edit summary and b) you promise not to make trivial saves (changing only spaces). Alternatively, I can leave you AWB-blocked and let the AWB programmer decide. --kingboyk 04:06, 10 March 2006 (UTC) I only destubbed once, the other times I was moving the stub to the proper location at the bottom of the page. To change the AWB summary instead of the default popdown options (cleanup, etc) you can enter your own text, and I will try to attempt not to make saves that consist entirely of just space moves. Pegasus1138Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 04:09, 10 March 2006 (UTC) OK, and you've read, understand and will abide by the rules of usage? --kingboyk 04:11, 10 March 2006 (UTC) Yep, also I don't know how many I've done recently since many of them are flagged for bot usage but much of my AWB work is clearing up the CFD backlog for pending actions that need to be done such as clear and delete operations and speedy cat moves. Pegasus1138Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 04:12, 10 March 2006 (UTC) OK mate, I'll add you back but please be careful - that's a very powerful tool you have there. --kingboyk 04:14, 10 March 2006 (UTC) Category Sorry, I must have inadvertently removed the Apple records category when when I did external links on My Sweet Lord. It looks like that's when it happened. Did not mean to.--Dakota ~ ° 04:04, 10 March 2006 (UTC) lol, gosh, how embarressing :) You make me feel like I've told you off which I certainly didn't mean to :) Your work on My Sweet Lord is really appreciated! --kingboyk 04:09, 10 March 2006 (UTC) US-centric I have to admit to having a little giggle at your edit comment for the Birth of the Beatles article! There do seem to be a large number of articles here that are US-centric though. I try to keep in mind that this encyclopedia is not mine exclusively, nor the property or product of my country. I hope I don't make the same mistake, though I think its worth commenting on just to heighten awareness. --Mal 06:06, 10 March 2006 (UTC) This one was better still. Although, stupidly I didn't actually erase the word "domestically" (have done now). --kingboyk 06:10, 10 March 2006 (UTC) (cough) No comment! lol Actually I have a comment: that part of the article needs more editing I think. The phrasing "In fact, it was never released in the U.S. anywhere until 1976" just makes me think: "Who cares?". It should be removed or re-worded. --Mal 06:29, 10 March 2006 (UTC) Yes, I was thinking that it wasn't finished. Notice how "it was shown on the BBC" is kind of just tossed off as though it's irrelevant? Of course, in those days getting prime time on the BBC was a big deal - and MMT's bad reputation stems from it getting prime time and failing to grip that audience. You want to have a go at fixing it? Just neutralise it a bit. --kingboyk 06:33, 10 March 2006 (UTC) Been thinking about this again, and something troubles me. If we assume that the American release dates and history of a Beatles film are important (which they probably are), then what do we say to editors who are adamant that we should have the same history for India, Australia, Canada, or indeed non-English-speaking countries? Articles could get rather large! --kingboyk 02:58, 11 March 2006 (UTC) My last edit brings up a question for you: how do you prevent the asterisk from producing a bullet point? --Mal 06:30, 10 March 2006 (UTC) maybe <nowiki>*</nowiki>? --kingboyk 06:33, 10 March 2006 (UTC) What is an "MMT"? --Mal 07:20, 10 March 2006 (UTC) !!!Magical Mystery Tour! Glad to see we have experts editing our articles! :P --kingboyk 07:21, 10 March 2006 (UTC) Ah right! lol I wasn't thinking. I'm crap with mnemonics when they're non-standard. :P Not bad at Assembly language though. And I've been awake all night! --Mal 08:45, 10 March 2006 (UTC) 'Scuse me for butting in, but I think that - since the Beatles were a British band, it would make some sense if the articles were a little less US-centric. I noticed earlier today that the recordings which made up The Beatles' Christmas Album were done in (cough) "fall" of each year. A minor point, but... Grutness...wha? 07:32, 10 March 2006 (UTC) Don't worry, I already fixed that. --kingboyk 07:35, 10 March 2006 (UTC) I happened to be looking at the portals page, and I caught sight of the porn portal(!). First thing I noticed was the text in their selected article, which reads: "Jenna Jameson is considered to be one of the most famous and popular American pornographic actresses in the world." Am I the only one that finds that sentence amusing? --Mal 08:45, 10 March 2006 (UTC) Removal of 203.206.164.123 from block request list You recently removed User:203.206.164.123 from the block request list at Wikipedia:Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism. Although 203.206.164.123 hasn't edited in the last six hours, 203.206.164.123 has been consistently vandalising Undergraduate Medicine and Health Sciences Admission Test and Talk:Undergraduate Medicine and Health Sciences Admission Test. In the 3-4 months that 203.206.164.123 has been editing, he or she has not made a single positive, non-linkspam-related edit. Someone42 07:44, 10 March 2006 (UTC) "This page is intended to get administrator attention quickly when dealing with persistent vandals." It's kind of like dialling 911. You only call that number if the burglar is in your house, not if you lost your wallet 3 days ago. The specific problem in this case - as User talk:203.206.164.123 shows - is that it's a shared IP address. Block it and innocents might get blocked. You need to catch the vandal at it and report immediately. I can't block a shared IP for something which happened 6 hours ago. --kingboyk 07:52, 10 March 2006 (UTC) Help? Can you move Glenbrook North Highschool back to Glenbrook North High School? User:AThing moved it from its official name for, as far as I can see, no reason at all. Thanks! -- Jjjsixsix (t)/(c) @ 09:41, 10 March 2006 (UTC) Done. --kingboyk 19:53, 10 March 2006 (UTC) Anti-French sentiment in the United States POV edit war PLEASE slap a protect or at least semi on this article mate. At least one super-patriotic user (not a member - always an IP) has been sticking in severely POV related comments here. Cheers. --Mal 19:38, 10 March 2006 (UTC) Done, but in future please post such requests to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection unless it's urgent and you know I'm online. You'll probably get a quicker response and it'll be dealt with by admins who specialise in that area. --kingboyk 20:15, 10 March 2006 (UTC) Yeah sorry - I should have done that, only I saw how much reverting had been going on, and figured you were awake and on Wiki by now! lol There isn't a note on the article saying its been (semi)Protected though. --Mal 22:07, 10 March 2006 (UTC) That would be because somebody reverted it (rolls eyes). Check the history. Are you accusing me of not being thorough?! :P (PS Sorry I didn't reply before, only just noticed this). --kingboyk 00:21, 11 March 2006 (UTC) Smeone reverted it? lol That's ironic! I think they were acting in good faith though, and just made a mistake. --Mal 01:38, 11 March 2006 (UTC) Yeah. I think they were rolling back to a "last known good version". Should have restored my tag though but it's no big deal. --kingboyk 01:39, 11 March 2006 (UTC) Darren Hayday Please see notes on the deletion page for this article —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.41.241.203 (talk • contribs) 09:06, 10 March 2006 . Have done, but I'm not sure of the question - is it a request to userfy the page and close the debate, or a complaint about another user? Or just a heads up that the debate has moved on? --kingboyk 19:56, 10 March 2006 (UTC) I understand why my page is to be deleted after reading the Wikipedia policies in more detail, please go ahead and delete. Also I want to make a complaint about a user, who is promoting himself as a practicing homosexual, I believe that he has his own agenda in Wikipedia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hayday (talk • contribs) . I support the early close but had hoped to comment on the AfD page in a bit more depth in response to the poster making unwarranted assumptions of bad faith against Francs2000... not sure how to proceed now. Or if it's worth worrying about, really, but I always hate to see newbies assuming bad faith. ++Lar: t/c 00:15, 11 March 2006 (UTC) Dunno Lar. The AFD talk page? (You can add a note to the top of the discussion, outside the div, directing people to it - the AFD is still listed so people will see the note). His talk page? [OK, I see you've hit the talk page. If you want to alert people to the chat, just edit the AFD above the div and put in a link. Is OK?] --kingboyk 00:18, 11 March 2006 (UTC) Done. --kingboyk 00:23, 11 March 2006 (UTC) Thank you Thank you for your support, and for pointing out this particular user's homophobic comments about me. For a Conservative local councillor, he is certainly not doing much to make me want to vote for him. It's my birthday today and I only logged on to see if anyone left any greetings for me; I'm beginning to regret that decision now... -- Francs2000 20:53, 10 March 2006 (UTC) My thought exactly! How to win friends and influence voters - not! --kingboyk 20:53, 10 March 2006 (UTC) Happy birthday!! --kingboyk 20:54, 10 March 2006 (UTC) Blocking shared IPs Please be careful when blocking shared IPs for extended periods of time, such as User:206.110.235.21. Thanks. --tomf688{talk} 21:56, 10 March 2006 (UTC) So, let me see, you mean the IP that I blocked for 12 hours at 21:43 with the comment "Returning vandal; no suggestion is shared IP but block just 12h in case"? Would that also be the same IP that you tagged as "shared" at 21:46? :) I know I later upped the block that was clearly not my decision, I simply undid my action as a more experienced admin got there first. --kingboyk 22:00, 10 March 2006 (UTC) Also, just in case you don't know, there are links at the bottom of anon IP's talk pages that allow you to quickly check as to who owns the IP. Typically IPs owned by schools are shared by multiple students. --tomf688{talk} 22:06, 10 March 2006 (UTC) The page said at the time "This IP has been repeatedly blocked from editing Wikipedia in response to vandalism. Further acts of vandalism from this IP may result in another immediate block without warning.". That implies it's already been's checked. I stand by my block of 12 hours all things considered, but I'll be careful to check the whois in future. --kingboyk 22:08, 10 March 2006 (UTC) Category:Songs by language I was doing this to organize things... Also there is a Category:Films by language... I know this is the English wikipedia but we are not supposed to be linguistically biased. A Spanish song that is as popular should be here just like an English one. I did think it through and do realize it will be a huge category, but sometimes categories will be huge... or develop natural sub categories. We have Category:Categories by language whihc is of use for many things and we cannot exclude English language from it just because it will be big. I mean... that should go or the whole concept of categories by language should die... gren グレン 00:50, 11 March 2006 (UTC) If you're online and use google talk or AIM want to just message me at "grenavitar" or the same @gmail.com  ? because... that would make this a little easier. gren グレン 00:52, 11 March 2006 (UTC) Let's discuss it on the category talk page. I think it will be one of those 'white elephants'. You can't possibly populate it (unless you use something like AWB) and imho it's really not useful. Songs by other languages I don't have such a problem with. But songs in English, on the English Wikipedia? It'll just become another neglected, unuseful category imho. --kingboyk 00:54, 11 March 2006 (UTC) Category:English language films has 35 articles in it and is a white elephant. --kingboyk 00:54, 11 March 2006 (UTC) Okay, I'll post comments on that talk page... I'd welcome an CfD... not to be confrontational... but because this is obviously an across the board issue that needs wider attention. gren グレン 00:57, 11 March 2006 (UTC) No worries. I don't feel strongly enough about it to CFD - and it's not as if you're doing anything wrong - I just wanted to alert you to the possible problems before you wasted too much time on it. --kingboyk 00:59, 11 March 2006 (UTC) I only added one song to give the category a reason to be. I wasn't going to go through them all... I speak English and well, I realize the category won't be too useful to many people... but I think it's needed because... well, why shouldn't English have one if other languages do. I just removed the populate request because... well, it was silly to add... English is the least important to add songs to... however, I don't think you should remove My Sweet Lord (it was just a place holder to give the category one song) --- however, anyone who goes around trying to add all of the English songs is not doing the best good they could do on the encyclopedia.... do you see my point? (and what I posted on cat talk)? and, I guess more importantly.... do you agree with my point? 01:06, 11 March 2006 (UTC) I certainly see your point, yes. But that doesn't change my opinion that the category is inherently unuseful because of it's massive scope. We have subcategories such Category:Songs by genre exactly for this reason. Try and throw every English language song into one category and you have a big mess that is navigationally invalid. It just won't help folks navigate the site because it's too large. Tell you what, I'll paste this chat into the category page (minus your email) so we can talk in one place. --kingboyk 01:09, 11 March 2006 (UTC) Stubs Hey, what's the policy with stubs, as far a removing them? I worked on an article for Fallon Bowman that was a stub but I think there's sufficient information to remove the notice now. Wasn't sure if it was administrator process though. --JohnBWatt Nah, it's not admin only. Use your judgement and see (I'll guess and let's see if this turns blue!) WP:STUB. Yep! I'll take a look at that article for you though since you asked nicely! :) How you doing anyway? I'm happy to say I've not seen you around, other than for an uncontroversial edit to Mucky Pup. I'm glad that all blew all over, I thought it would! --kingboyk 01:31, 11 March 2006 (UTC) Thanks for the info and taking care of the Fallon Bowman article. It remains short but there's not a whole lot to tell, outside of what I wrote. All is fine. I rewrote another article or two, the most major being for 24-7 Spyz. --JohnBWatt your message I am simply trying to insert legitimately sourced material into the article in the teeth of fierce opposition by apologists POV warriors. Rather than working against this , you should be supporting this .Furthermore I have done 1 edit and 2 reverts on the page in questions , so I have one more revert that I can do without incurring the 3RR penalty--CltFn 06:10, 11 March 2006 (UTC) Thank you I will keep your advice in mind. I notice after looking at the deletion log that most don't inform the red linked authors but it would be a good idea.--Dakota ~ ° 08:18, 11 March 2006 (UTC) It is still a good idea though as you said and I did inform the author on the next speedy I did. Which was that? Have seen up to 17 deleted recreations on one. I have seen a template that is sometimes placed and the page fprotected but am unsure of the criteria for that scenario.--Dakota ~ ° 08:33, 11 March 2006 (UTC) Nadia Chambers I agree with your thinking that it's more suitable for prod than speedy, but you beat me to it! But I still think that her non-speaking role does not make her notable, no matter how prestigeous the Pride and Prejudice TV series was. Moreover, she's not listed in the Grange Hill article, so she can't have been a regular. GeorgeStepanek\talk 08:34, 11 March 2006 (UTC) Thanks for the reply. The show's being going a long time, so I don't suppose that every actress would be listed. However, I have applied the "kingboyk test" and as a viewer in that era I can't say I recognise her :-) For that reason and the others already stated, and because it was borderline A7, I won't deprod it. --kingboyk 08:40, 11 March 2006 (UTC) Clone High You suggested merging the major character articles (under construction) into the main article and moving the (recently merged) episode list to a separate article. My understanding of the reasons for the current format is that including all the information on the main characters in the main article would uneccesarily clutter that article. The List of Clone High minor characters was outsourced as well. Moving the episode list would require someone looking for an episode to find and click to that subarticle and then to find and click to that episode because all of the titles are hard to rememeber. I'd like to ask you to take another look, but if you still want to merge, could you state your reasons on the talk page of that article. Thanks. savidan(talk) (e@) 11:18, 11 March 2006 (UTC) I had another look and agreed so the merge proposal was withdrawn. --kingboyk 03:57, 13 March 2006 (UTC) Graham Holden You deleted my entry for 'Graham John Holden'. I also wrote a redirect for him at 'Graham Holden'. If you're going to delete his entry, why not finish the job? - Richardcavell 15:41, 11 March 2006 (UTC) Thanks for the headsup, done. --kingboyk 21:56, 11 March 2006 (UTC)