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Works published by the U.S. federal government are in the public domain. It looks better now when I edited it so it did not repeat itself. It just needed the correct name of the Butterfield's unit. I still need help learning how to make a footnote with a number. Maybe that is automatic. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 22:07, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

and - so I just put the sentence I needed to change, and did not need the whole Army exhibit text/article. Thanks for your help. I need more to get this figured out. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 22:08, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

also, I need to know how to get back to the visual screen way to edit. It is hard to edit with the skinny letters in the source section. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 22:09, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Glenn Miller

Please do not discuss sources in the article text, nor use first person pronouns ("we find..."). The article text should summarize what the sources say, and the sources should be given in properly formatted references, preferably using {{Cite}} templates such as {{Cite web}}, not as URLs in the article text. Thank you. CodeTalker (talk) 20:22, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I will try making the citation again. There are no page numbers in the two yearbooks, so I will try it again. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 19:04, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

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Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 20:49, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks AngusW. I am not getting paid by anyone. I am an information-holic, retired historian and writer with time on my hands. A few people in my family died this year, and reminded me that I would like my informational legacy to be accurate. I am confirming everything for the Glenn Miller article with the main sources (historians, museum curators, society historians). It is not a conflict of interest to make corrections to the file. I hope to edit my own work again to make sure I delete duplication. I repeated myself when I put info. under one heading that also applied to the topic in another heading. I am edited the Hoogenakker article after 10 months of research. I am also going back to review my work in my own computer and verifying the current LIVE status as I work on it. I hope you are able to use the stage career notes. Anyway. Thanks. Oh, there are professional advertising links at the bottom of the page. They link to each other, and have most of the same information. I included corrections and updated the job list to complete the article. I forgot how to get into the Talk section. Thank you for your help. If I have more questions, should I return to this spot? Kinfo Pedia (talk) 21:22, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

editing, not edited, hilarious, a typo in my own reply. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 21:23, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

John Hoogenakker

Thank you so much for reviewing my chart. It looks like you are getting sources for each play. I will see what I have too. I hope I can send it on the webpage and you can copy it as you did earlier today. Thanks again! This will be great. Even though I know his birthday, I heard him say in two interviews that he does not tell everybody that, so then his graduation days would give away his birth date, so I left that blank. We don't need to share the personal data of a living person. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 21:37, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1019439/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_32

Barefoot to Jerusalem

   2008

   1h 29m Kinfo Pedia (talk) 21:53, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

The Brief Chronicle is the official news magazine of Writers Theatre.  I read issue 54 (April 2016) while researching the resume of John Hoogenakker who acted in this play.

Death of a Streetcar Named Virginia Woolf: A Parody made its debut at Writers Theatre in Chicago in the smaller of its venues, Gillian Theatre. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 21:54, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

The Telegraph Homepage

Review: Powerful acting lifts dark 'The Iceman Cometh'

JENNIFER FARRARAssociated Press

Feb. 14, 2015

NEW YORK - Kinfo Pedia (talk) 21:55, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Over the course of the year, I sent corrections to Stewart Talent Agency and they never replied, and they never changed his resume or biography. I don't know if he is still their client or not. They did not include the past three films he was in. They didn't even have Dopesick in the list. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 21:57, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Dopesick The Drug That Addicted America | John Hoogenakker

Dec 9, 2021 Kinfo Pedia (talk) 21:58, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/i-survived-theatre/a-2nd-look-at-dastmalchian-zkTWw_IZBt3/

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I Survived Theatre School Kinfo Pedia (talk) 21:59, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

2022 Virginia Film Festival Set For November 2-6

By Melissa Zhu on March 8, 2022 Kinfo Pedia (talk) 21:59, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

https://www.youtube.com/c/TheStoryBox Kinfo Pedia (talk) 22:01, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ciThffY3Yg

0:06 / 46:03

1. dopesick #michaelkeaton #jackryan

Dopesick The Drug That Addicted America | John Hoogenakker

85 views

Dec 9, 2021

4 likes

The Story Box Kinfo Pedia (talk) 22:02, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

May 5, 2022

https://www.ispot.tv/topic/actor-actress/Lf3/john-hoogenakker

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I researched the spelling of theater / theatre to see which ones had the re and which had the er. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 22:08, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Writers does not have an apostrophe, so it is correct as Writers, because it is a stage for many writers, not a stage that belongs to one writer. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 22:09, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

They put Barefood instead of Barefoot, and the title was Barefoot to Jerusalem, not just Barefoot.

I also corrected the title to the Wright play, and added which character JH played. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 22:10, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

https://www.ispot.tv/ad/qv0l/2022-chevrolet-silverado-walter-in-winter-song-by-harry-mcclintock-t1

2022 Chevrolet Silverado TV Spot, 'Walter in Winter' Song by Harry McClintock [T1] Kinfo Pedia (talk) 22:20, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi again Angus. How did you decide to write about JH? I have been writing about him all year without publishing because I wanted to get everything done first and have all the sources ready to put as footnotes. I have five folders of articles, weblinks, etc. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 22:23, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

https://www.tvmaze.com/characters/406110/tom-clancys-jack-ryan-matice Kinfo Pedia (talk) 22:32, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

https://www.fox32chicago.com/good-day-chicago/backseat-rider-how-john-hoogenakker-manages-dilly-dilly-fame

Backseat Rider: How John Hoogenakker manages 'Dilly Dilly' fame

Published September 6, 2018

Good Day Chicago

FOX 32 Chicago

CHICAGO (FOX 32 NEWS) - Local actor John Hoogenakker joins "Backseat Rider" to talk about his multitude of acting roles ranging from Bud Light commercials to Amazon's "Jack Ryan" show.

It’s nice to be NOT recognized (in pubic?) for playing the King in the Bud Light commercials (Super Bowl Ad)

Dilly Dilly is an approval of what’s been said

“hear hear” for 2018 Kinfo Pedia (talk) 22:33, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

https://meaww.com/tom-clancys-jack-ryan-season-2-john-hoogenakker-matice-death-wendell-pierce-jim-greer-character-arc

'Tom Clancy's Jack Ryan' Season 2: Matice is the first major casualty in the series, but his death justifiably rounds out his character arc

Season 1 took its time in establishing each of its major characters and one of them was John Hoogenakker's Matice, the black ops man for the CIA's Special Activities Divison.

By Aharon Abhishek

Updated On : 20:04 PST, Nov 4, 2019

'Tom Clancy's Jack Ryan' season 1 took its time in establishing each of its major characters and one of them was John Hoogenakker's Matice. The black Ops man for the CIA was instrumental in season 1 when he raided Mousa Bin Suleiman's (Ali Suliman) compound and for also taking care of the last of the terrorists. Season 2 saw him deployed on a mission to the Venezuelan jungle on an IRS mission that goes full south and the team ends up leaving Marcus (Jovan Adepo) behind. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 22:37, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

'Tom Clancy's Jack Ryan' Season 2 is available for streaming on Amazon Prime Video.

https://meaww.com/john-hoogenakker-matice-lives-in-a-world-very-different-from-the-one-ryan-inhabits

John Hoogenakker on his role in 'Jack Ryan': "Matice lives in a world very different from the one Ryan inhabits"

As Matice, John Hoogenakker replaces John Clark who other wise plays Jack Ryan's darker alter ego, but Hoogenakker's Matice too has a lot to offer.

By Barnana Sarkar

Updated On : 10:55 PST, Sep 19, 2018

John Hoogenakker on his role in 'Jack Ryan': "Matice lives in a world very different from the one Ryan inhabits" Kinfo Pedia (talk) 22:37, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

DOPESICK

Posted on October 12, 2020

by Wilmington News Journal

Attorney, former Wilmington resident to be portrayed in mini-series on high-profile pharma case

ByJohn Hamilton

https://www.wnewsj.com/news/148437/attorney-former-wilmington-resident-to-be-portrayed-in-mini-series-on-high-profile-pharma-case Kinfo Pedia (talk) 22:46, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

http://www.groupon.com/articles/chicago-fire-actor-john-hoogenakker-wants-the-windy-city-to-be-as-big-as-hollywood-al

“Chicago Fire” Actor John Hoogenakker Wants the Windy City to be as Big as Hollywood

BY: Stephanie McDaniel | Mar 31, 2014 Kinfo Pedia (talk) 22:11, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

"Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted." -- that is why I removed some wikilinks. I also wondered if I should delete the names of the advertisers or products, BUT Dilly Dilly and Walter the Cat are famous, so was not sure about that one. The links on the bottom to Stewart and imdb go to each other when you are in each website, and their purpose is to advertise for their client. I guess that is why you are confirming the whole resume, as I did during my research. It all started with the cat! That is when I began researching everything I could find about the cat (nine of them who play Walter) and the actor JHoog. I even learned how he pronounces his name.  !!! Kinfo Pedia (talk) 22:15, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Extended content

1.      Q Brothers Christmas Carol 2.      Death of a Streetcar Named Virginia Woolf: A Parody 3.      The Amateurs 4.      Port Authority 5.      Other Desert Cities 6.      The Iceman Cometh 7.      Travels with My Aunt 8.      The Good Negro 9.      Rosencrantz And Guildenstern 10.  Rock N’ Roll 11.  Wait Until Dark 12.  Othello 13.  Passion Play: A Cycle in Three 14.  The Puppetmaster of Lodz 15.  Translations 16.  100 Saints You Should Know 17.  The Retreat from Moscow 18.  Stones in His Pockets 19.  Much Ado About Nothing 20.  Romeo and Juliet Paris 21.  Anthony and Cleopatra 22.  The Bomb-itty of Errors 23.  Robyn Hood of Barnsdale Wood 24.  Killer Joe 25.  Jungle of Cities 26.  The Grapes of Wrath 27.  Woyzeck 28.  Hamlet 29.  Two Gentlemen of Verona 30.  Work Song: Three Views of Frank Lloyd Wright 31.  Suburban Motel series play 3, Criminal Genius 32.  The Foreigner 33.  Mary Stuart 34.  Richard III 35.  The Mill on the Floss 36.  Escape From Happiness Kinfo Pedia (talk) 22:41, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

https://www.adweek.com/creativity/bud-light-marches-into-the-super-bowl-with-its-biggest-dilly-dilly-ad-yet/

The Bud Knight became an unexpected star for the brand. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 22:17, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

A breakdown of his about 100 appearances on film includes 57 TV episodes, 15 TV series, 12 feature films, 5 short films, 3 video games, 2 TV movies, a TV Mini-Series, and many interviews, especially about Dopesick and Tom Clancy’s Jack Ryan.

SHORT LIST

2021    Dopesick (TV) as Randy Ramseyer

2021    I Can Change (movie short) as John

2019    Castle Rock (TV) as Carl Wilkes

2018 - 2019      Jack Ryan (TV) as Matice

2019    Teacher as Todd Harper

2018    Colony (TV) as Scott Garland

2018    Not Welcome as Delivery man

2015    Empire (TV) as Dr. Lester Mason

2014    Mind Games (TV) as Bram Carney

2013    Chicago Fire (TV) as Lt. Spellman

2012    Boss (TV) as Jeff Doyle

2011    The Chicago Code (TV) as Dante Villardi

2011    The Playboy Club (TV) as Leo Bianchi

2009    The Lucky Ones as Army Recruiter

2009    The Beast (TV) as Michael Cooley

2009    Public Enemies as Agent Hugh Clegg

2005    ER as Dr. Collins Kinfo Pedia (talk) 22:19, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

OLD LIST, or updated webpage, don't know but putting it here as a resource https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2139624/?ref_=nv_sr_1 Kinfo Pedia (talk) 22:21, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

https://www.tvmaze.com/episodes/2254/chicago-fire-2x02-prove-it/cast Kinfo Pedia (talk) 22:38, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

https://www.tvmaze.com/people/34922/john-hoogenakker

I'm deleting the tvmaze.com spam. This isn't needed here. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 00:08, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Excellent, thanks. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 09:24, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Would someone please delete the box message I keep getting about not using this type of source (tabloid or whatever it was)? Kinfo Pedia (talk) 12:53, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Kinfo Pedia (talk) 22:51, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Hey there Angus. Thanks for your help! Here is most of my research. I will take a break and see if you need anything else later. Hey, what made you decide to write a wikpedia article on Hoogenakker? I've been trying to get his resume updated and edited all year without a reply. You'd think Stewart would appreciate me giving them free work. Well, I am glad to contribute all my work on this. I started it because my family loves the cat in his Chevy ads. Unfortunately, my own cat just died in June. He was only nine. From my research I know he has a dog, not a cat. Read you later. Thanks again. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 22:58, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Actually, I joined Wikipedia so I could create a page for him. Then, I saw that there were other articles that I am actually an expert in that I could edit, so I did that too. More later. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 23:01, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Oh, it's because I worked on the Dilly Dilly article off of a few sentences, and someone created the JH article later. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 18:37, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Please remove any IMDb information and referencing. IMDb is not a reliable source. I should be able to use his other work already published. Same with TV Maze. Do not use those. Those are user-generated databases.

If you want to get to the talk page for John, go to Talk:John Hoogenakker and you can start some threads there. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 23:51, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Since it looks like you're wanting to develop his bio, can you help reorder his work chronologically? Also you can have a section for Stage career separate from Film and television career. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 00:04, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Yes please - I would like to have a Stage section separate from the Film and TV sections. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 09:27, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

In my research, I found many more TV and feature movies. I don't know why they are separate in various lists I've seen. Also, some have more categories, and include the episode names and numbers. I think it is fine just to say someone was in a movie series without having to write every episode - maybe write guest star, but some lists like his resume use "recurring" and other descriptions that are used by the actors' union. So --- should I put my film list back on so you can double check it? Guess what? I have watched a lot of the films and TV shows on the list. I even bought the one episode where he appears in Mind Games. It was cute. Don't worry, it was only 2 or 3 dollars on Amazon Prime Video. I have watched everything I can find on the Internet, including scenes he plays on stage. It was a surprise to hear him do several accents. One play normally has a big cast, but they played it with a few guys playing many characters throughout the show. Critics said it was hard to figure out what is going on. I think Maggie Smith was in a movie of it that would make sense to watch some time. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 13:09, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Kinfo Pedia, the filmography doesn't have to be a complete list or per episode breakdown. IMDb and other databases can hold that, and there's an external link to that if people really want a "complete" list. So, no, I don't believe every minor film needs to be listed here, just a handful that have shown at major festivals and won awards. It's more his major work that can be cited to external news articles like critic reviews. As you can see I found a ton of them from the local but major Chicago newspapers, and some of the more national ones like Broadway World, New York Times, Variety. He's actually had a large body of theatre work so the writeups you are filling in can be supported with that. I was gonna move some of the profiles and blogs to the same level as the resume as those are usually self-published. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 18:13, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

I spent nearly all year researching the dates and characters of the films and plays. I want the whole list to go in there, especially since I found a few that his Talent Agency missed in their work. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 21:14, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

I became a contribute so I could write everything I researched to cover his entire career. That way, people have a complete picture. His own web people should have done one on their site, but they didn't update it or change it as the years went by, so this is an anonymous gift for writers, oh for his family too. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 21:20, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

contributor, funny typos in my own paragraph Kinfo Pedia (talk) 21:21, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

"Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted" This means we editors should not be using his Wikipedia page to try to advertise or promote him. So no verbiage about him being an amazing / talented actor or whatever. It doesn't mean we shouldn't cover that he has appeared in advertising material. It means we need to stay neutral on his coverage, and include the bad publicity on top of the good. See WP:PROUD AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 00:12, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Right - I am not promoting him, just listing all his work. Okay - so don't use various adjectives unless it is in a quote from someone else. One short article (2 paragraphs) claimed that J.H. was "unknown" before his audition for Dopesick (that just aired last fall). He is not "unknown", that is definitely wrong. I will definitely skip that source. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 13:00, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

The adjectives can be quoted and cited like Angus of Wikipedia wrote that JH's portrayal "really nailed it (rest of quote)".(reference) You can look at voice actors Yuri Lowenthal, Dee Bradley Baker and Kari Wahlgren as bios where I have included critics reviews and quotes of their work right after listing what they starred in. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 18:21, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

He was unknown as a television actor. You don't see any articles prior to 2017 about his extensive television and film career, only brief mentions in credits lists. He was well-known as a stage actor in Chicago and Milwaukee, and got mentions in national articles such as NYT, Variety, Broadway World, Playbill. When the biography is written out it doesn't need to say he was unknown unless a bunch of newspaper writers are saying so. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 20:07, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Please note that I have made a list of suggested references to add to the article over at Talk:John Hoogenakker and see Refideas. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 00:20, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. I had most of them, but I reviewed all of them again. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 13:00, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Also, you don't need to bother his agency to update his resume. If they did respond or gave you any new direct information, you might end up with a conflict of interest. Same with the birthday situation. If you know his birthday from corresponding with his agency, then it doesn't need to go on here. You need to get your information from public sources like the newspapers / magazines or if he self-discloses it on social media like tweeting "today is my xxth birthday". AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 00:20, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

I am avoiding putting anything that people can use to figure out his birthday because he only hints at it in interviews and does not outright say it - that is why I also took his age out of his quote and avoid writing his graduation dates. I will check out your talk page in a few hours. I have not been able to sleep partially because I wanted to remember to remove his age. I think we are also supposed to avoid advertising products, so I will put the product instead of the manufacturer. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 09:32, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks again. - That means if the agency wrote me back, it could still be wrong information - right - good to know. If they made so many errors that I saw in the first two seconds of reading it, they still might get it wrong. I spent months looking up each theater name, play title, and character name to fill out the history and get it right. I listened to many interviews too, and got their transcriptions to use to get accurate quotes. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 09:36, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

His birthday is one of the things I am avoiding because it is for a living person. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 13:01, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

If the agency wrote back, that would be private information anyway so couldn't share it. But yes, that's why Wikipedia doesn't use primary sources like his resume or theatre profiles, and prefers external secondary sources. Sometimes, got no choice though but to use primaries, but that's usually to prove existence of the work, as you can see with some of the theatre and television credits. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 18:24, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Actually, historians do want primary sources. Often, the second and third layers of writers have quoted the same wrong information. We want quality, not quantity. It takes a lot of self-control to avoid sending corrections to correct every article. Sometimes people write the wrong information on purpose to try to trick people into giving them the information. One or two articles claimed he was divorced. I didn't correct them because I figured out what their game was. So, you're right about finding the source of the sources. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 21:10, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

The Talent Agency has a public website that it supposed to be accurate for their management of the actor. That is the starting point for the career work list. The corrected version should be in the article. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 21:17, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm hoping he gets a blurb in People magazine or equivalent that celebrate his brithday, or that he publicly discloses it on Twitter. The latter has actually worked for some celebs like Jason Statham and Chris Cuomo, search "today is my birthday". AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 18:29, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

The Wikipedia rules specify that we are NOT allowed to quote social media, even if they do say "today is my birthday".

That is for LIVING people. Yes, I already know his birthday from several source, but know that he has not used it in his own publicity, so I am not going to let people know his age without him do so himself. Please keep it private if you ever find it. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 21:00, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Wiki says we are not to "reveal personal information" about living people. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 21:01, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Please DO NOT reveal his birthday, or any private information. This Wiki page for a living person is only for his professional career. Let him stay private. Thank you. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 21:12, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

I have note yet figured out how to use the talk section, but I did review every link there, and found one I couldn't get in because it was a paid newspaper. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 12:56, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

I have NOT... [doing my own typos, time to take a break]. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 13:12, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

For the Chicago Tribune ones, I'd need to get a subscription to newspapers.com so I just used Google search and clipped what little phrases they would spit out from chicagotribune.com. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 18:26, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

I have been researching many sources for nearly a year. I can include those when I review my folders. I have folders for nearly every play. I have photos that we cannot use because we have no idea if they are in the public domain or not. If someone wants to know what he looks like, they can read the source material. I need to put the chart back in there. I am taking a break for now. I found archival mini bios in the theater websites where the plays were done. I also researched the character names so that each section has them. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 21:05, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Kinfo Pedia, please do not add your version of the filmography. This makes it look more like an actor resume than a Wikipedia article. I know it's probably more complete but it can't be sourced properly and it also violates WP:MOSLOW which recommends ascending chronological order. It also has original research WP:OR that would need to be cited better.

Also, do not remove the links from the lead paragraph and early life section. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 13:45, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Living people can sue writers who put personal information in a Wikipedia page. This page is for a living person and should not have anything in it that tells people his age. Let them figure it out on their own. This is not a biography. Hoogenakker himself has avoided putting an article on Wikipedia, and the rules also say the article is not supposed to advertise a product. That is why we want to avoid linking products that people want to sell. If you want to put footnotes, do it on the bottom set of charts. The top three charts need to be clean, so any footnotes should be separate from them. I reviewed hundreds of articles that have something wrong in them. I did not use the source of someone who copied the chart exactly because even the name of their site is about dating. They claimed JH was single. They are trying to trick people into doing their work and into revealing personal information, which again, is sue-able because the person is alive. Please leave the top three charts clean. I put the main sources for the career history above the chart, beside the title of the career list. Please keep any footnotes out of the chart. The chart was supposed to be one solid entry. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 19:28, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Kinfo Pedia, several comments to your reply:

"page is for a living person and should not have anything in it that tells people his age." - not true - see WP:DOB. If the age is publicized and referenced it can be posted. Right now I don't see any news and magazine articles that indicate so, so there is nothing to post for birthday. His birth PLACE is publicized from multiple newspapers and interviews so that isn't private information. Same with his high school activities and parents names.

"the rules also say the article is not supposed to advertise a product. That is why we want to avoid linking products that people want to sell" - this means the article is not supposed to have verbiage that promotes the subject or product. WP:PROMO That's different from writing in a neutral tone that he worked on promotions for certain businesses. The advertising verbiage would be stuff like "highly acclaimed" or "award-winning". It's not advertising to say he was nominated for an award or that the show got an award. See WP:IBA for examples of advertising verbiage.

"you want to put footnotes, do it on the bottom set of charts" - no, see WP:FILMOGRAPHY. References can be at the end of paragraphs, sentences, or in the filmography case, at the right side in the Refs. column. It needs to be in chronological order, not reverse chronological, see WP:MOSLOW. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 20:01, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

His age is NOT publicized. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 20:13, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

not officially, and not by him. Let him put his own personal data on his own website. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 20:23, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

He has avoided saying his entire birthday in his interviews on camera, radio and in print. People can figure it out if they read or hear many sources but that are not him publicizing it himself. His church information is even MORE private, and he does not live there anymore, and it invades the privacy of his family to reveal it, even if his friends and relatives accidentally revealed it. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 20:17, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. I want to put his career resume back in as one block and put the footnotes only to the sources wehre he had the entire resume listed. Then - put footnotes only on the changes that were made. Changes to his resume only include the following: spelling, names of plays, names of characters, names of theaters. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 20:22, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, the chart is looking better, so the tiny print does not show up, maybe it was in editing mode. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 20:48, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

References should be cited in the biography paragraphs, although they can reuse the ones in his filmography and stage credits section. Do not add the resume-like career credits in that other format in biography. That makes it look like a resume. See WP:FILMOGRAPHY. The only time the Stewart resume is used is in case we can't find ANY sources that confirm the credit. Once the television episode or film can be sourced separately, whether it be viewing the episode itself's closing credits or opening title credits (use {{cite episode}}) or TV guide or someone else's writeup, then that and any other primary source profiles can be removed. If you noticed, I found an episode that mentions Hoogenakker in a Vulture review. Those are preferable to the primary. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 20:50, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

This article is getting much better. What a team! Beware of the tabloid press. They might be just stirring up information that is wrong, as I found in several articles that quote earlier wrong sources. As a historian, I want to make sure every statement is true. There are also things said in interviews that don't need to be in the general public. Sometimes, he jokes in character, so it is not really HIS answer. He acting expertise on stage is a wonderful surprise. I guess half of his career is on stage. Maybe a third of each - stage, screen, commercials (on and off camera). Kinfo Pedia (talk) 22:05, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Please do not keep undoing the early life section and removing years of graduation or high school activity that is already publicly sourced to newspapers and theatre bios. That is disruptive. See Wikipedia:Disruptive editing I really don't want to have to call on other editors to remind you. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 20:54, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

His dates are not revealed by himself and should not be in a wikipedia article. He never reveals his church affiliation. His mother shared it by accident in her local paper. Please be kind to John H. and his family.

What is the email address you have for a Wikipedia employee?

I researched all year to get ready to put this article here. I avoided using sources that quoted wrong information (which there is alot). I watched nearly every thing on the list that I found on Netflix, Amazon Prime, youtube, and links in theater websites. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 21:02, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

For the format of writing, please keep the introduction the way I had it with the overview. He has been working for over two decades. Commercials did not make him famous. It was strange when someone called him an "unknown" in an article about Dopesick. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 21:05, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

I am an expert writer and editor (even if I make my own typos from typing too fast). Let my work stand for two days and review it again then. Thanks. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 21:07, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

@Onel5969: and other wikipedia editors for their take. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 21:12, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

the one5969 link goes to a page with blank sections Kinfo Pedia (talk) 21:14, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Those aren't blank sections, they are collapsed sections. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 21:38, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

oh, gee whiz, wish I thought of that. thanks. hee hee Kinfo Pedia (talk) 21:56, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Actually, I just realized, there should be NO relatives (living, or do they need to be dead to be listed?) listed in the article. His mother is not a public figure, and while mentioned by newspapers, should not have her privacy invaded. John does not live in that area, does not go to that church anymore, and the privacy of the church and its members should also NOT be invaded. Please keep personal information out of this article and/or start another article completely. Pleased start another article. Let me keep this one as I had planned all year while I was researching to make sure everything was true and allowed to be mentioned. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 21:37, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Let's remove all family members. They are not politicians, and are entitled to their privacy. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 21:57, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

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Hi. I haven't read through the wall of text above, but I have skimmed it, and I took a look at the history page of this article. A few things, first, there's nothing in WP policy about birth dates, graduation dates, etc. if they are a matter of public record (which basically means they can be cited). Second, removing cited material is considered disruptive editing. Similarly, re-adding uncited material, as per WP:BURDEN, is also considered disruptive editing. Third, WP is not a means of promotion, promotional phrasing or claims should be avoided, and if it's removed/rewritten, should not be reverted (AngusWoof gives a good brief summary of that above). Fourth, resumes of actors should not be used (they tend to exaggerate), treat them like social media, so you can use them for certain claims, but sparingly. Fifth, two things which should NEVER appear in a BLP, even if they are public knowledge, are home addresses and phone numbers. Sixth, once you write something on WP, you give up all rights to it. Take a look at WP:OWN. There is no "2 day rule". And Seventh, you make several statements above which indicate that you have some type of relationship with this subject. What is your affiliation with them?Onel5969 ^{TT me} 21:37, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, you are great - Angus too. I am award-winning, professional, retired, writer, researcher, and historian who intends to write the correct information in every thing I research before I die - as an informational, historical legacy. I was thinking about interviewing the actor, but found nearly everything I need for the article online. I hope he would review it and assure us that everything is correct. I hope Wikipedia is a permanent website. If I had my own website, it would disappear when I died and stopped paying for it. Three people in my family died this year, and even worse, my cat died He was the best cat in the world. My dad has cancer, my mom and I are having big birthdays this year. so- it's all about leaving a legacy. People who want more information can click on the footnotes. It is great to have the article be easy to read and written in a journalistic style. This includes the lists of his work. I was thinking of describing each thing, but the other websites have done that. I have already worked on this so very hard, and need to get back to my other articles. Thanks for your advice. Please let the article "sit" for a few days so we can review it again with fresh eyes. Oh, that's another reason I am working so fast - my vision is getting worse. Thanks again. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 21:53, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

This article is getting much better! What a team! Kinfo Pedia (talk) 22:01, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

I've rewritten the bio section. Some of the roles can be expanded upon.

And sorry to say, I did find his age published from another Charlotte Observer article, so I've added that. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 18:04, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

NO, PLEASE remove his age so they dont delete the whole article. He does not want it published. He has not even had a wikipedia page made and his friends have, so that is a sign. That is why it must remain WORK related only. His birthday is NOT relevant. Please remove his birthday. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 21:50, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

How do you know he doesn't want it published? Are you corresponding with him? AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 23:02, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

He can contact Wikipedia / file a ticket about it, per WP:BLPPRIVACY, or tweet about it on his social media. However, he is a notable public figure so there is no point in calling for his article to be deleted. See WP:PROUD AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 23:05, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

See Rosamund Pike who has revealed her birth year on social media but not her birth day/month. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 23:08, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

He has not revealed any date in print. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 23:10, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Birth days are NOT relevant. Just keep it off there so you don't get sued. BY the way, how do you do that? Do they sue the contributor or wikipedia? But the problem is then you have the info out there so that is not fair to the LIVING person. Rememebr the lIVING person rules and expectations. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 23:11, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Hey, please keep my paragraph.

Also the commercials did not make him famous. He became famous for Matice. and then they asked him to be in the commercials to surprise the audience with a celebrity. one who keeps his privacy private. Please do that. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 23:13, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Kinfo Pedia, no, the commercials ARE what made him famous. See the most prominent articles that refer to him as the Dilly Dilly King. It's only later on, 2019 and after, that he is getting fame for Jack Ryan and Dopesick. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 23:20, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

I KNOW Kinfo Pedia (talk) 23:09, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

I can tell from what I have read and all the interviews I heard him do Kinfo Pedia (talk) 23:10, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

oh and the "spirit" of the law. and he did not put it on his personal website and he could have done that if he had wanted to do so. Please remove his birthday, his estimated birthday and any other dates about his graduation. Let pthers look it up for themselves. Wikipedia says they dont want private info revealed by wikipedia even if it is somewhere else. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 23:15, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Graduation year / College: YES, public. The graduation year is all over the multiple Depaul University articles strung up in that Theatre Blog. Each one's like: "JOHN HOOGENAKKER (BFA, Acting, ’99)" He's even in Notable Alumni on their college website with his graduation year [1]

Graduation year / High School: YES, public. Charlotte Observer article. The school is even putting him in their hall of fame.

Religious affiliation: NO. It's not relevant and there are no news articles out there showing his current affiliation. He also shouldn't be categorized by religious affiliation at the bottom of the article.

Did he sing for a church choir? YES, but so what? Also saw this in other published interviews. I changed this to "choir". He also participated in children's theatre.

Did he participate in debate team? YES His theatre bios and more newspaper articles published that. That isn't private information. They even publicized that he won some state competitions. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 23:31, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

The Hall of Fame thing did not have his year in it. NO do not put CHURCH in there. That was a lifetime ago. AND is not where he goes now, nor lives now. It is an invasion of privacy for the church too. DOnt say so what. He does NOT need to have his old former church listed to be innondated with news reporters, or tabloids. Why do you keep putting private stuff on there. PLEASE stop putting dates on there. The rules on the sign up log say not to put birthdays, but maybe birth years, ONLY if they put them somewhere like on his PUBLIC website for his Agent. If he doesnt want his agentn to advertise it then Wki should not either. Wiki has higher standards than newspapers. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 23:48, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

yes, the debate stuff is good. great stufff, shows he was working way back then Kinfo Pedia (talk) 23:48, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

do not put the name of the church. also the ispot link was WRONG. they only had a list of scientific sites on the authomatic add thing. oooh, it should be a footnote. forgot about that. you want to do that, or should I , which I did do that before, right. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 23:50, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

His NOT living in Hollywood is a sign of wanting to have a normal life, privately, without the press. I do not want to get in trouble for your putting private information on here. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 23:54, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

This page should be ONLY for his CAREER with no personal information revealed. Whoever wants to find personal stuff can go to the tabloids themselves and tons of other websites that have wrong stuff in there. We should not really quote wrong articles either. Stop arguing with me. Why did you start this web page on JH? I was going to put his resume that I had researched from FEB - AUG, and get his input for any changes if he wanted to add any other work that is not listed. Then, I found the FUTURE Work on Waco, so I put that on the list. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 23:53, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

After discussing with other Wikipedia editors about this, I've removed the parents names and spouse's name. Also found other articles showing he moved his family elsewhere so am leaving that out. So the personal life section just states that he's married and has two kids. I struck out the graduation year for high school since the hall of fame from that high school doesn't emphasize the year. However the college graduation year stays because the school proudly lists him as such and the news articles from the school repeatedly list his graduation year. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 00:31, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Kinfo Pedia, how are you getting his input? So do you have an association with him or his agency or not? AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 22:17, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

NOPE, none at all Kinfo Pedia (talk) 17:54, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Angus, tell me why you decided to start this article. While researching and reviewing his acting skills, I have seen nearly every thing he did, including his Matice work twice. Check out the video of his Irish accent in Port Authority. Amazing. Thanks for all of your help!!!! It looks like we are done and looks great!!! Now, maybe he will update his own resume to make it accurate. Hilarious. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 17:57, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

affiliation with Angus? I don't know him. We seem to be having a battle of the wordsmiths and a battle of the privacy issue. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 23:56, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

the "living persons" rule, and libel laws. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 23:56, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

No, affiliation with Hoogenakker or his family. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 20:45, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

nope. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 15:44, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

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Hello, I'm Novem. It's nice to meet you.

On Wikipedia, we have one job. To pretend like we know nothing about the person we're writing about, to go find reliable sources such as newspaper articles that talk about them, then summarize those sources accurately. This should be a dispassionate and objective activity. There really shouldn't be this much debate. Either the source says it or it doesn't.

Also, please stop saying things like libel laws and Just keep it off there so you don't get sued. Legal threats are not allowed, please see WP:NOLEGALTHREATS.

I recommend you dial it back a bit and follow the lead of experienced editors. People like AngusWOOF and Onel5969 know a thing or two about writing encyclopedia articles ;-)

Hope this helps. Thanks and have a great day. –Novem Linguae (talk) 00:08, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Hey there. I am a writer, researcher, historian, and have researched tons of sources for nearly a year. I wanted to have a complete article finished before I added it here. I noticed the actor did not have a wikipedia page. I edited tha chart, and have sources in my computer. I have tons of files that I am working from that I researched and collected all year. I read the Wiki rules abotu living persons and do not want to harm the privacy of the person and his family. That is why we should NOT put in his birthday. Here are clues that he does not want his birthday written down --- he does not have a wikipedia page, his fellow actors do have them, he does not put it on his own website, not the one in four cities and not on imdb, when he mentions celebrating during his interviews, he doesn't reveal the year or the date at the same time, and he does not live in Hollywoood. The Wikirules I read said that if someone said in an artilce "today is my birthday...", we could copy and paste that, but if not, or if the information is found on his personal social media we are Not allowed to use it. I don't want to be sued myself, and would not want my fellow contributors to be sued, not Wikipedia either. People need Wikipedia. Anyway, thanks for writing. Oh, Newspaper sources are not always reliable. I found five sources that said Thomas Stone died on different days and different locations. Obviously all of them, or all but one of them are wrong. Also in research, we find that many people will quote the same wrong source. Something else is interesting. I found that people write articles with wrong information to try to draw out the celebrity ouf of his private - ness to change it. I want to have a page of just his professional acting work and not his private life. I want to learn how to put on photos, but if that is too hard, then we could just put a web address to them for the readers to use. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 16:42, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

The number on the bell said I had six notes, but yours is the only one I could find. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 16:45, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

GREAT JOB everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It looks great! Kinfo Pedia (talk) 18:00, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

This note appeared when I scrolled by ER, so I don't know why since I was not working on that section. I didn't change anything since I cannot figurre out how putting a character would not be right. Oh, I think his character name was Dr. Collins. Let's put that if we find it again. -- found it ------- https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0567945/characters/nm2139624

Here is the note the box sent. I still think we should keep his name in there.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Hoogenakker&action=edit&section=4&editintro=Template%3ABLP_editintro Kinfo Pedia (talk) 18:29, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

I swear the character list is ACCURATE. Please put the names back in. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 18:39, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

based on resume research and double-checking to make sure it was right before starting. correcting his resume was the main reason for doing the research and publishing this article. Angus has also reviewed my work, and done the same research. I dont know why it shows up in gray when in edit mode, but blank in read mode. We can do it. Thanks. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 18:41, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Kinfo Pedia, IMDb is not a reliable source. You will have to look at the episode itself and see if his name is mentioned by credits in that episode and then whether the show mentions his character name. If indeed you can confirm that, then use a cite episode and put in the timestamps for the episode. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 20:36, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

did that - double-checked yesterday. I also watched his episode of Mind Games - it was interesting. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 15:46, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

As for the other roles, same story. If you can find non-resume reliable sources that confirm the role and the episode, then you can cite those directly. In the meantime, the reference is posted as "Resume" or "Bios" which means it is going off his own self-reported or (auto)biographies that clearly involve his own input. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 20:42, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

His resume is a self-published source so it is not reliable as a reference, see WP:SPS. So the preference is to change those out with secondary sources (reviews of the work, listings by other publications where he did not have control over what shows are listed in the publication) or primary sources (TV & Film credits from the media itself / cite eipsode, official websites). AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 20:54, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Someone's own resume is a great source of accurate information, especially when it is current. I found it on six website, so it was a great starting point. Then, I searched for each play and film to get character names and add an entry. or two. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 15:48, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

cannot see how to get back to the talk page. too many pages to chat on??? Anyway --- please stop deleting my work. I am not sure that would improve it. anyway, need to get to the next thing. like food. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 18:18, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

I got the numbers by looking it up and counting it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The ispottv is NOT his website. They count EVERY advertisement by all actors

Please keep my numbers and links in there. I did all the research before I put anything on the page and my role list is even more accurate than the ones on his talent website, because I looked up every single one so I could get photos and videos and descriptions of all the plays and films, and even saw some great reviews. I even watched a lot of them. The Bud Light King ads are NOT called the dilly dilly ads, one I know is called "The Banquet." Please leave my work on there, and let me improve the writing. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 20:06, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

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are you a wikipedia emplyee? Kinfo Pedia (talk) 23:12, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

oh and the "spirit" of the law. and he did not put it on his personal website and he could have done that if he had wanted to do so. Please remove his birthday, his estimated birthday and any other dates about his graduation. Let pthers look it up for themselves. Wikipedia says they dont want private info revealed by wikipedia even if it is somewhere else. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 23:15, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Kinfo Pedia, I've moved the birthday discussion to his talk page. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 20:51, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

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The title of the article should include saying "Black Bear". Or that line abou disambiguity or whatever the line is that I forgot what it is.

I think "Black Bear" should be in the title of the article. BUT - You DO have an article for it. You could put it in the top line. Black bear is the term that is used all the time to refer to the black bear in North America. That should be at the top. The other word is not used in America. It is only used in Europe. That should be mentioned, OR that word should be deleted. Here are some sources I am trying to make a footnote for ---

https://glosbe.com/it/en/Baribal

In Europe, the Italian word, “baribal” translates to American Black Bear, it is not an English word. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 20:54, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

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Hi there. Sorry -- I thought it was okay to use quotes if you set them off as you would in a term paper or book. I did include the links and wanted to put them as sources for the list in the "external sources" section. So -- good idea -- just put something in my own words and then link (footnote?) to the document so they can read it themselves. Oh, I included a document link that was a pdf, so that is not a quotation, it is a link to the source. If I have time later, I will see if the source where I found it is still in the list on the page, and just add that. Thanks for your advice. I am definitely NOT trying to violate any copyright policy. I wouldn't want people to do that to my books either. I started out just correcting one typo, and then thought, why not add more history. Thanks for letting me know so quickly! I appreciate it!!! Happy Easter. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 16:24, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

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Please take more care when editing: I reverted your edit to Glenn Miller because it appears you used a "search and replace" function to replace every use of "us" with "u.s." which resulted in many, many errors in all sorts of words like musician, because, and use. This is unhelpful and even disruptive - please check before making such edits in future. Furthermore, the reason you gave in the edit summary for doing this ("U.S. must have periods for the abbreviation to be correct") is incorrect - while it may be your opinion, wikipedia has a manual of style and it allows for either and so there was no need for this edit at all. Melcous (talk) 14:02, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!! I was having a hard time trying to reverse it and was going through every line to fix it. Thank you so much! I am sending you a hug! The U.S. with periods is the correct abbreviation for the United States. I researched that for a long time to find out, and that is what we should use. We don't need to use Associated Press manual styles. Thank you again for the repair! Kinfo Pedia (talk) 16:21, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

You are welcome, but again it is not correct to say on wikipedia that periods must be used for the abbreviation US. We have our own Manual of Style that should be followed, not what either Associated Press nor your own research says, and per MOS:US either is correct, and one should not be changed to the other without good reason. You have noted above on this talk page how much research you are doing. I would ask you to read WP:OR, as wikipedia is not the place for original research, rather we include what published, reliable, independent secondary sources say. Editing to include your own research will keep getting reverted. Melcous (talk) 00:18, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks again. I forgot all about the Wki manual. The page would not let me use the back button to revert anything so I really needed you! Thanks. Right, I don't think it was original research when I looked up sources to confirm the abbreviation. Now I will let everyone else do punctuation and focus on obvious typos and facts that need to be added. Thanks. It would be helful if you could delete all of my talk notes prior to June 2023 since it is hard to find the new ones now. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 22:04, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

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September 2023, more of the same

Hi Kinfo Pedia, it's clear that even after a two week block, you have no intention of abiding by encyclopedic guidelines, as with the nonsense at India (cat) and Ruben Sierra. Next time I'll request an indefinite block. Thank you.

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Dear Wikipedia,

I haven't been on Wikipedia for a while, so am deciding to reply to this message. Sometimes people change what I write months after the update.

I love to make things accurate, so if you have something to add to an article, please do so without bothering my corrections. 

Please do not punish me for someone's opinion of what should be in a paragraph or how something is spelled. I go to a lot of trouble to research things to make sure what I am adding is correct.

I will make sure to keep adding citations to show where I found the information (unless it is just a typo).

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

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Aw, I saw this entry too late to vote. Well, my suggestion is --- let people add to articles without being punished by another editor whose information may be wrong. Make sure everyone adds citations to their information. Let a real employee of Wikipedia help the writers be free to write and submit work. Most importantly - do not block an editor, and do not let someone's opinion block an editor. We all want to put the correct information and spelling in the whole website. That is the only way we can recommend its use to others - when we know people are putting in the correct information. We are all trying to help. I would not make an error on purpose. Editors should be able to talk to a real Wikipedia employee and even submit changes through them when needed. Thank you for your work. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 20:03, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

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Hi Kinfo Pedia, I recently undid some of your edits at Thanksgiving (United States) and Indigenous Peoples' Day (United States). I described the reasoning in my edit summaries, which you can view on the history of each page. I understand that it can be frustrating to see your edits undone, but Wikipedia has a specific guidelines for citations, maintaining a neutral and formal tone, general article structure. Please let me know if you need further explanation. Wracking ^talk! 23:46, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I just now checked my email that I only use for this so rarely.

Thanks for your contributions. I don't have time to review them, so I will presume that you did it right.

Check out this cool article.

https://americanindian.si.edu/nk360/resources/Cranberry-Day

Thanks Kinfo Pedia (talk) 18:38, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

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Hi there! I found three sources for the same material. I will look at the 100th Inf Btn article again to see if I put them there. I am pretty sure I put the citation there, but will look again. Happy Spring. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 17:03, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

FOUND IT!!!! Thanks. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 18:12, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

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cat people and dog people and pet humanization

please do not add long unsourced paragraphs and trivia again. ltbdl☃ (talk) 11:13, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

I have been researching sources and included them as I went along and found them. I am proving that this topic is a valid one and not one that someone else put in there for political reasons (someone not from the U.S. who spelled behaviour with a u.) Kinfo Pedia (talk) 11:37, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

what political reasons? ltbdl☃ (talk) 13:41, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi there. I don't want to repeat the quote from the news that someone was trying to insult someone by calling them a cat person. Putting stats claiming the cats and dogs are in red or blue states is not a good idea. It is better to just go ahead and name the states, using the list from the websites where the estimated count is located. I already spent about 19 hours on the topic, so I will take a break and review the sources I found - hundreds of pages. Then I will summarize it and put the footnote source and/or link it to where I found it. It is always better after editing it. Thanks. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 16:27, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi again.

I got a note from someone else saying they think I put in too much copyrighted quotes. I thought it would be good to put the source passages in there, but they just want it to be a summary and put the link to the footnote. That will help avoid saying the same thing twice in a row. Well, it's a fun topic, so I will look at that later, hopefully.

In the reading I just did for seven hours, I found that some people think there is no such thing as a cat person or dog person, just someone who likes animals. BUT - Whoever started the page had noticed that people DO use the terms cat person and dog person, and even pet person.

This year, I learned that those terms are new idioms in English, and want to put that in the top paragraph. Speaking of idioms - I could "put in everything and the kitchen sink" (hee hee).

Thanks for your help. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 16:33, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

i have once again reverted your adding of irrelevant content. please do not put in everything and the kitchen sink. ltbdl☃ (talk) 03:56, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Cat people and dog people. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. Repeated vandalism may result in the loss of editing privileges. Thank you. - Arjayay (talk) 21:36, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

stop adding trivia. familiarise yourself with our policy on due content before adding anything again. ltbdl☃ (talk) 04:27, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

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Thank you. I thought you were able to quote something and put a footnote on it. --- When I summarized the History Channel paragraph, I also added the actual passage from the Channel's online website. So, what you are saying is that I put in TOO MUCH information. I just now spent seven hours researching more so I can use more footnotes. I hope to return to the page later to add a few things, and will try not to repeat what I already wrote.

Thanks. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 16:22, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

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Thanks. I did not mean to link the Norse language. The info. I read said that the word translated to Cat People in Scotland was a hybrid word (never heard of that before, so that was interesting, so that is important to say. But I definitely did not mean to link it to anything besides the name of the language. Thanks for helping! I've been researching and writing for that page for two days to make it the best page ever, and the most accurate. I wonder if any other cultures call themselves "cat people" or "dog people". Well, putting the captions on helped keep the subjects within the article together. Editors Unite! Have a great day. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 21:11, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

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What was it? I cannot find whatever I put and whatever you put. Do NOT block me from editing. I do a lot of research before I put anything down. I also put SOURCES, and quote the sources, so people will know where I found it. Please send me what I had to double check what it was. I don't put in anything without sources, and put quotes on anything that is quoted. Please put whatever I entered into the chat talk and let's review it to see what should be on there. It hurts my feelings and is kind of abusive when other editors criticize me. I go for a long time without using Wikipedia, and then find things that just need to be corrected, so I do the research to make sure it should be there. I am not vandalizing by the definition of it. I only put what I have researched. Some people write things without sources, but I check it and include it. So--- I do NOT plan to infringe on any copyrights, and I have even sent evidence of it to the owners of trademarks (Kiss, Cubs, Disney) who might want to sue the people who are selling stickers with their logos on them. Anyway - that is not relevant. Sorry about that. Dedicated writer who wants to get it right, Thanks. Send me the changes I made so we can get it right. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 13:32, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

The text I removed was details on the activities of police dogs in general, copied from the website of the National Police Dog Foundation. The page is marked as "© Copyright 2021 National Police Dog Foundation". There were no quotation marks or any indication that you intended it to be a quotation. Regardless of the copyright issue, general info about police dogs is not a suitable addition to this particular article, which is about a TV show. I will send you the deleted material via email. — Diannaa (talk) 17:44, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello Diannaa. Instead of a big section that avoids summarizing it, someone should just use the term that is used in the show, "law enforcement animal" and/or police dog. We could just put the website as a resource. If you would do it, that would be great. If you want me to fix it, I could do that later. Thanks. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 19:23, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

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You've been warned several times. Do not copypaste large chunks of texts from other websites even if it is just a talk page. Traumnovelle (talk) 02:05, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Here is what I just wrote to D. that agrees with what you said on Oct 7 --- Instead of a big section that avoids summarizing it, someone should just use the term that is used in the show, "law enforcement animal" and/or police dog (and K9 or K-9, they are all correct). We could just put the website as a resource or a citation. Maybe that would be like citing the dictionary for defining dog. Hilarious. Thanks. Please stop saying I've been "warned". It is abusive to see that. I am definitely not doing anything on purpose. Back in college, a prof. gave a B instead of an A because I put "too much" information in the paper. How about that! I love information. Well, anyway, glad you are here. Thanks. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 19:28, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

You restored content that was deleted due to being a copyright violation. If you do it again I am going to report it, please stop and refrain from violating copyright in the future. Traumnovelle (talk) 19:42, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Help me out here T. I was restoring comments to the TALK section, not anything to the article itself. I am not going to violate any copyrights. I am a strong advocate of not infringing on copyright and trademarks, and supporting intellectual property. That includes NOT using music during campaigns. Also - how do you "report" something? Who is a real official expert Wikipedia owner or employee who would review our input and answer questions? Thanks for all you do T. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 19:46, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Copyright applies to all spaces on Wikipedia. If you wish to restore your comments do so without including the copied content, instead just post a link to it. You cannot copy content from other websites in any place on Wikipedia, that includes talk and user pages. There are admins on Wikipedia, you can see the list here: [3]. Traumnovelle (talk) 19:52, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Guard, Tomb of the Unknown Soldier Identification Badge

@Kinfo Pedia, in this edit you added two sentences. The first said that tomb guards "make it their goal to earn the Tomb Guard Identification Badge", sourced to this. That source says nothing about it being a goal, only that "earning the Tomb Guard Identification Badge" is a "high honor". Your second sentence says that the badge "is awarded after the Sentinel passes a series of tests, including one on the history of Arlington National Cemetery", sourced to this. That source does says that the badge is awarded after passing a series of tests, but does not say that the tests cover the history of the Cemetery. Please do not add your own interpretations or embellishments to the information that is in the sources.

Also, the name of the badge is listed as "Guard, Tomb of the Unknown Soldier Identification Badge" in several of the sources used in the article, including the Dept. of the Army pamphlet Guide to the Wear and Appearance of Army Uniform and Insignia, and Army Regulation 600-8-22: Military Awards. CodeTalker (talk) 20:17, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

I think the title of the article should be Tomb Guard Identification Badge (TGIB). The title for ordering physical badges and patches could be in the second sentence.

That's what the Tomb Guards call it. When you take the "Badge Test", you are going for the TGIB. Unknown Soldier is not in the name of it. TUS is the name of the burial and location, not the badge.

It is the goal of all Tomb Guards to earn the TGIB. They even have to pass portions of the test in order to earn a walk.

I guess you want more sources to show the name of the badge as it has been called since it was created over 50 years ago.

Tomb Guards themselves call it the Tomb Guard Identification Badge. It is that way in many publications and websites.

You do not need not use the uniform list for that. TGIB should be the main title, and the uniform name should be in the sentence that follows it. Kinfo Pedia (talk) 21:51, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

If you think that the name should be changed despite the official sources that use the current name, I suggest that you open a discussion on the article talk page and present your argument there. There are many apparently reliable sources that use the current name besides the two I presented above, such as [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9]. You will need good sources to counter these and explain why the Army and Arlington Cemetery use the apparently wrong name for the badge. CodeTalker (talk) 23:07, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

You have again made these name changes without sources and without discussion. This is not acceptable. Please open a discussion on the article talk page, present your sources, and get consensus before making these changes again. CodeTalker (talk) 17:30, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

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