User talk:KARL RAN

Looking fwd to contributing. KARLKARL RAN (talk) 13:30, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

My Contributions

What I have been up to on Wikipedia/en...... See: Mystatistics

Aim

Main aim is to get Dutch wikipedia articles into English wikipedia and improve article quality ensuring wiki/en always has the superior quality. Topics of choice currently evolve around Dutch Indonesian history and literature. --KARL RAN (talk) 23:35, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Some New Articles I have created

• 16 September 2011 Noto Soeroto
• 9 September 2011 Dutch Indies literature [1]
• 8 September 2011 Victor Ido
• 31 August 2011 Trisnojuwono ‎
• 28 August 2011 Insulinde (Political Party) [2]
• 23 August 2011 Bataviaasch Nieuwsblad [3]
• 15 August 2011 Volksraad (Dutch East Indies) [4]
• ‎11 August 2011 Freemasonry in the Dutch East Indies [5]
• 12 April 2011 Jan Hilgers [6]
• 2 March 2011 Kris of Knaud
• 27 February 2011 Stranger King (Concept) [7]
• 28 November 2010 Andy Tielman [8]
• 17 November 2010 Tjipto Mangoenkoesoemo
• 16 November 2010 P.F.Dahler [9]
• 12 November 2010 Indische Party [10]
• 9 November 2010 Indies Monument [11]
• 6 November 2010 Dick de Hoog [12]
• 1 October 2010 Hotel des Indes (Batavia)
• 24 September 2010 Indos in colonial history [13]
• 22 September 2010 Indo Europeesch Verbond [14]
• 14 May 2010 Marion Bloem
• 17 April 2010 Karel Zaalberg [15]
• 15 April 2010 Bersiap [16]
• 9 February 2010 Indos in pre-colonial history [17]

Mother article stats

Some Articles I have put much work in

• 12 September 2011 Maria Dermoût [18]
• 6 September 2011 Wieteke van Dort
• 9 November 2010 Willem Oltmans
• 8 November 2010 Christiaan Snouck Hurgronje
• 17 October 2010 Tjalie Robinson [19]
• 30 September 2010 Rob Nieuwenhuys
• 23 September 2010 Sutan Sjahrir [20] ‎
• 22 May 2010 Paulus Adrianus Daum
• 18 May 2010 Beb Vuyk
• 4 May 2010 Edgar du Perron

Stats

24	This user has created 24 of Wikipedia's 6,929,024 articles.

This user has made over
2,000 edits to Wikipedia.

Motivation

Dutch Indonesian

I am often asked why I choose these Dutch/Indonesian topics to write about. It is very recent that over the past decade, the concept of 'mutual heritage' has gained wider currency. A concept particularly used to refer to the material remnants of colonial encounters and exploits centuries ago, including archives, objects of art, ship wrecks, colonial architecture and interventions by colonising powers in the landscapes of their colonies and vice versa the influence on the coloniser, and increasingly also with regard to both the tangible and intangible hybrid eurasian elements of this heritage.

Mutual Heritage

Virtually by definition, the 'mutuality' emphasized by the concept provokes debate about the nature of colonialism as well as the contemporary drive to preserve its legacies and make these available to a wider public (via wikipedia for instance). After all, just as colonialism is not necessarily best described with the help of the cosy buzzword 'encounter', the supposed reciprocity in the preservation of its legacies need not necessarily serve all parties involved to the same extent. With this caveat in mind, there is every reason to welcome the rising interest in mutual heritage and move beyond the simplistic view of colonialism as "predatory institutions encroaching only through military aggression on the territory and autonomy of helpless but freedom-loving stateless peoples".

Stranger King

The most interesting concept in reviewing mutual heritage may be The Stranger King.[21] See author Marshall Sahlins: THE STRANGER-KING OR, ELEMENTARY FORMS OF THE POLITICS OF LIFE. --KARL RAN (talk) 14:51, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk

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Dutch East Indies GA review

Hi Karl, this article is currently under review for Good Article status. Pls. be gentle with content changes so we keep it a bit stable for the reviewer. tnx! --DeVerm (talk) 05:15, 29 July 2011 (UTC).

Getting GA fr the sake of getting GA doesnt work fr me. These last few edits by SimonTrew were hardly constructive towards enhancing quality. Much of the 'simplifying' was just dumbing down the article and dont get me started on the spelling. --KARL RAN (talk) 08:04, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

The article was dumb when I started editing it earlier this year. It has been a lot of work and politics to get it to where it is now and I think it's GA material. I agree that dumbing it down again isn't the right way forward but you could try to work with the reviewer, engaging him in discussion on the review discussion page. My English isn't good enough to judge these edits unfortunately. But I do appreciate somebody picking up the review and commenting on the article because last time it was speedy-failed for an invalid reason. I also appreciate you joining the editing of this article because it felt pretty lonely there :-) --DeVerm (talk) 13:02, 29 July 2011 (UTC).

SimonTrew

His edits of a few weeks ago were indeed appalling. We should have just hard reverted them, rather than our softly softly approach. I've just advised that I won't be tolerated all his type ("but it's my keyboard") crap again. And, I'm about to go through his most recent edits. --Merbabu (talk) 13:36, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Dutch East Indies

Dear Karl,

I took Dutch East Indies under GA review and I rather slipped because I had a wedding to attend, with me as the groom, so I have only just got back to it. So please take my apologies in advance, but also, please can you not edit the article until I have done some gnoming? Since the article has been quick failed before and I am tempted to fail it again, but would prefer that between the variouos contributors and me as the reviewer we fix it up and make it a good article, which it should be. It is very well written and informative, just lots of minor corrections need to be done, and taking WP:BOLD I do them rather than ask one of the authors to do them, as the white rabbit said in Alice in Wonderland, the quickest way to explain it is to do it. So a revert, revoke, undo is fine by me but I am trying to polish it up for GA, and it is not at that quality yet, all I am asking of you is please don't tread on my toes while I am doing so.

My sincere best wishes

S.

Hi Si, Sure thing. Give it yr best shot, mate. I'll refrain frm editing for now. But pls watch the typos though. Tkx for the work. Rgds, Karl

I see that you just listed

John Chivington as being a freemason at Sand Creek massacre. While is sounds reasonable, a source would be nice. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 15:37, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Its right here: John Chivington [22]

Art, Culture and Science aspects of Dutch East Indies

Hi.., could you tweak, make fine adjustments and probably enrichen the intellectual section of Dutch East Indies article. The colonial history of Dutch East Indies was not merely the economic and politics aspect, the intellectual pursue of scientists that interested in nature and culture of Indonesian archipelago is quite commendable. Dank je wel... (Gunkarta (talk) 15:19, 22 September 2011 (UTC))

Hi Gunkarta, I'll take a look and give it a shot. Good to see the outstanding topics you've added to the article. A.U.B. Your welcome. --KARL RAN (talk) 22:17, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Indos images

Hello, I'd like to inform you that the gallery in Indo people article recently saw the re-replacement of Geert Wilders to the detriment of Leonard Helmrich, whom you added last week. That move is being discussed on the article's talk page. Regards, Apdency (talk) 10:38, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

One million people

Dear Karl Ran. I see that you say you verified with the cited UNESCO source that the Dutch East India Company did indeed take over a million people to Asia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Dutch_East_India_Company#I_deleted_amount_of_people_sent_to_asia. According to the article, the source is not a UNESCO document, but a proposal nominating the VOC archives for some or other UNESCO heritage status. UNESCO is not responsible for the content of the application/ proposal. Is that the same source that you encountered? Personally, I find 1 million extremely exaggerated - numbers that size were not seen until migrations to the United States and Latin America. Regards, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 23:30, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

I really dont think the party issueing the proposal (director of the national state archive) is in any way dubious. But you can easily verify its content if you like: E-mail pieter.koenders@nationaalarchief.nl - Best regards, --KARL RAN (talk) 13:10, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Kwauf's changes.

I wouldn't stress too much. His changes and his explanations don't stack up. As far as I can see, he's effectively deleted two articles "INdo People" And "Indo's in pre-colonial history". That's just not going to stick without consensus, and it won't stand. We'll get it fixed up. If the editor wants to make a constructive contribution, let them use the talk page first. :) --Merbabu (talk) 19:52, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Update - I think most has now since been cleaned up. I welcome the editor to explain their proposal's now and seek consensus for any change (or status quo). One question though, in Indo people there are pre-existing links to both:

• Indos in pre-colonial history, and
• Indos in colonial history

The first one seems to work, but where does the second go? Is it redundant? Or have we lost an article? --Merbabu (talk) 02:19, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Cheers! Good job as always. I see both am links are on again. Im busy moving and changing jobs so cant be on wiki very frequently. When i do take a peek and see these kwauffian things happening I wonder whatever would become of our beloved forum without vigilant editors...? good looking out, mate. --KARL RAN (talk) 22:16, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Love history & culture? Get involved in WikiProject World Digital Library!

World Digital Library Wikipedia Partnership - We need you!

Hi KARL RAN! I'm the Wikipedian In Residence at the World Digital Library, a project of the Library of Congress and UNESCO. I'm recruiting Wikipedians who are passionate about history & culture to participate in improving Wikipedia using the WDL's vast free online resources. Participants can earn our awesome WDL barnstar and help to disseminate free knowledge from over 100 libraries in 7 different languages. Multilingual editing encouraged!!! But being multilingual is not a necessity to make this project a success. Please sign up to participate here. Thanks for editing Wikipedia and I look forward to working with you! SarahStierch (talk) 18:51, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

De nuttige planten van Nederlandsch-Indië

Selamat siang (di Indonesia)!

Sy adalah seorang Melayu-Pontianak yang tinggal di Kalimantan Barat (West-Borneo Afdeeling). Saya suka dengan ilmu botani, dan banyak mempelajari sejarah botani pada zaman Hindia Belanda (Ned.-Indië), pada saat ini sy hendak menambahkan sedikit keterangan tentang Canavalia ensiformis (Indonesia:kacang parang) dari buku Karel Heyne (1916) jilid 2 dari De nuttige planten van Nederlandsch-Indië pp.330-331 (Indonesia:Tumbuhan Berguna dari Hindia-Belanda).

Adapun, permintaan saya sederhana saja, dapatkah tuan menerjemahkan tulisan Canavalia ensiformis dari buku itu? Sebab, di Indonesia buku itu dianggap sebagai sumber primer dalam penulisan ilmu botani di Indonesia. --Akbar ini dari Kalbar 04:49, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open!

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Europe 10,000 Challenge invite

Hi. The Wikipedia:WikiProject Europe/The 10,000 Challenge has recently started, based on the UK/Ireland Wikipedia:The 10,000 Challenge. The idea is not to record every minor edit, but to create a momentum to motivate editors to produce good content improvements and creations and inspire people to work on more countries than they might otherwise work on. There's also the possibility of establishing smaller country or regional challenges for places like Germany, Italy, the Benelux countries, Iberian Peninsula, Romania, Slovenia etc, much like Wikipedia:The 1000 Challenge (Nordic). For this to really work we need diversity and exciting content and editors from a broad range of countries regularly contributing. If you would like to see masses of articles being improved for Europe and your specialist country like Wikipedia:WikiProject Africa/The Africa Destubathon, sign up today and once the challenge starts a contest can be organized. This is a way we can target every country of Europe, and steadily vastly improve the encyclopedia. We need numbers to make this work so consider signing up as a participant and also sign under any country sub challenge on the page that you might contribute to! Thank you. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 09:17, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Stranger no-king?

Hi Karl,

I don't know if you are still around, but I have a question about the stranger king- theory. The odd thing is that it takes the Dutch VOC relationship with Kandy and Manado as examples, but in the days of the VOC our little republic did not have king... So, the stranger king could be a complete phantom? Or am I missing something? Jcwf (talk) 02:05, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Totok/Peranakan

Dear Karl,

I just edited your article, 'Totok'. Just to clarify: in Indonesia, we use the terms 'Totok' and 'Peranakan' in their original, colonial meaning to this very day, that is to refer to people of relatively 'pure' foreign descent versus people whose ancestry has some indigenous blood. Both terms 'Totok' and 'Peranakan' are not just used to refer to people of European descent, but also people of Arab, Chinese - and even Indian descent, the latter group mostly in Medan). Indos, of course, are by definition also Peranakan!

For example, the present Governor of Jakarta, Anies Baswedan, is a Peranakan Arab; while the pre-communist, Java-born First Lady of China and socialite Oei Hui-lan is an example of a Perankan Chinese. An example of a Perankan European who is still fondly remembered here is Ernest Douwes Dekker, who was a hero of the Indonesian nationalist movement and war of independence. Many areas and streets are named after him.

The Youth Pledge of 1928, considered the beginning of Indonesian nationhood, declares that Indonesia is a country without regard to race or ethnicity and includes people of Arab, Chinese and European descent. Sadly, of course, in practice things were (and still are) rather different.

Clara dari Semarang (talk) 18:29, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Bersiap administrator abuse C.Fred

Hi Karl Bas Sander Ran, since you are the creator of Bersiap Wikipage please keep an eye on abusive conduct by administrator [C.Fred]. Repeated attempts to remove picture of Sutomo were initially done by Indonesian user Jeremy K. Later repeated by a very abusive administrator [C.Fred]. Kindly ask your intervention to uphold relevant image of Sutomo in the Bersiap Wikipage. Also, check the discrepancy of victim count with Dutch Bersiap Wikipage. As these numbers do not match and were also changed/under-counted by Indonesian user Jeremy K.

Thank you. 2A02:8440:341D:350:0:59:80E0:6701 (talk) 18:20, 9 September 2023 (UTC)