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Haymaker Parkway map

Believe it or not, ODOT runs northbound 43 past Haymaker up Water into downtown then west on Main to Gougler. (See the SLDs for 43R and 43D.) Signposted 43 northbound logically follows 59 across the river and north on River which turns into Gougler. (Southbound 43's routing and markers match up.) Mapsax (talk) 03:58, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Are you sure? Sheet 3 (4th page) of 43R has the northbound street succession labeled as Water Street-->Haymaker Parkway--->River Street--->Gougler Ave.--->N. Mantua St, which is the route signed in downtown Kent (and on the map). In any case, even if it still had Main Street as part of 43 it is no longer practiced. Kent City Council altered the traffic pattern on the Main Street bridge about 7 years ago and ODOT was not part of the discussion, which they would have been if 43 was still officially routed over the bridge. --JonRidinger (talk) 17:50, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

grrrrrrrr The one time that I don't check to see if it's changed, it's changed. Apparently they straightened everything out in 2007, but I know that the SLDs on the site recently showed the way I said above. Oh well, carry on.

Just a side note, which is now irrelevant to this discussion: ODOT doesn't have as much say about its routes within cities as they do outside of them because of strong home rule. Read the info that I recently slipped into the intro at List of numbered highways in Ohio and the respective Ohio Revised Code sections that I put as sources. Mapsax (talk) 08:19, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the links. Home rule does give municipalities certain freedoms and responsibilities with the state routes within their boundaries, but it does not give them total control over them. I'm reminded of the case in 2007 when the city of Medina attempted to enforce a 25 MPH zone on SR 18 and ODOT overruled them saying it should stay at 35 MPH. In Kent's case, the city council authorized adding parking spaces on the Main Street bridge sometime in 2006 or 2007. If SR 43 had still been routed over the bridge (43 went north on Water and left on Main originally), ODOT likely would've had to at least been consulted about it, even if all they had to/could do was rubber stamp city council's decision. Regardless, I think this case was simply that ODOT likely overlooked updating the straight-line diagrams. 43 has been routed the way it currently is for decades (Haymaker Parkway opened in 1975) and maintained accordingly. --JonRidinger (talk) 20:50, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Yup, can confirm first hand that it's been signposted that way since 1987 when my family first moved out to Ohio (wandering trip home on a visit to the old Montgomery Ward in north Akron), and of course I saw it all the time while attending KSU in the '90s. Mapsax (talk) 01:19, 4 February 2011 (UTC)