User talk:Johnpacklambert/Archives/2022/May

Olympics articles

I found a way to grab most of the annoying stubs (stub articles about non-medalists with no other info) out of the categories using WP:PET. Just in the 1900 Olympics articles alone I found over 200 using this filter. User:XyNq/sandbox/1900 Olympics deletion candidates ~XyNq^t_c 19:36, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

• • That is crazy. Especially since the 1900 Olympics was much smaller than later ones in number of participants.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:38, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

    @Johnpacklambert: I created a few reports of all offending Olympics articles for the 1900-2000 games that were less than 1kB (about 2,000 articles). Most of these should be fine to delete and wouldn't get pushed out of a batch for some reason, although there's well over 7,500 just in the 1900-2000 summer catalogues if you increase the maximum article size to 2.5kB. This is a mess ~XyNq^t_c 21:39, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

    A lot of the stubs seem to either be from retired users, or Lugnuts. Actually Lugnuts seems to be behind the stubs with infoboxes, which usually bump the article above 1kB. ~XyNq^t_c 21:43, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

    Many of which he turned out in less than 5 minutes. In fact sometimes he turned out 10 or so such bios in less than 15 minutes. He seems willing to figut tooth and nail against any deletion of any Olympian bio anywhere.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:07, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

• In some ways the worst Olympic related articles are the stubs on people who were competitors in the Olympic arts competition. This competition was not even close to major enough in the arts world to make someone notable for competing, and probably not for even medaling. A lot of the articles only mention that participation. If that is all there is on them, then we pretty much can delete them. I have tried, but often there is more on the people, so this is a whole group of articles that over emphasize sport related endevor at the cost of even understanding the full arts career of the person, let alone their full life.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:59, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
• another way to look at things is Olympian articles that have only one or two sources, especially when those sources are sports tables that say nothing substantive about the individual.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:02, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Danish expatriates in the Russian Empire

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Yugoslav emigrants to Greece

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Ned Brooks

Ned Brooks may well be notable for bein moderator of meet the press. We need to have some actual sources though.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:19, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

A thought

I'm thinking the battlegrounding on his talk page has gone on long enough, and it probably won't end well for anyone if it continues. Maybe it's time to stop posting AFD notifications? They are not compulsory after all, and he has all his kittens watchlisted anyway. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 13:47, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

• • Only if you promose to stand up for me when he tries to take me to ANI for not notifying him.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:50, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

• What if you ask Lugnuts if they'd prefer if you stopped the notifications? I think that has helped in other cases.

It might also be worth noting that an awful lot of the notifications you have posted there have ended up as not being deleted - by my calculation around 80% of the recentish ones that I could find - with 20% being flat out kept because sources were found; in the 20% of cases where deletion was the outcome I'd argue that there's a case for redirect in all of them as well fwiw. There are ATDs in most of the cases you are sending to AfD - perhaps that's a more appropriate route to embark upon?

I'm not watching this page and only came across this discussion by chance. If you want me to reply to anything you'll need to ping me. Blue Square Thing (talk) 14:22, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

I and other editors have tried to redirect such articles. Every time we redirect Lugnuts reverts it. so taking the pages to AfD is the only way to go.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:25, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

I think it's highly unlikely they would, having previously requested that others stop. Anyhow, any contribution I made to such a hypothetical case would be based on the guidance, which explicitly states "not required", and that such actions are obviously not been treated as "courteous", which is leading to non-constructive interactions. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 14:40, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

• I have to admit it is also frustrating that every time I explain how there are other people with the same name who are just as likely to be search targets and that as such the name is not a good redirect, my statements are ignored and Lugnuts just route votes to redirect without even saying anything as to why he things the sports person is a better presumed search target than anyone else with the name.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:43, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Deprodding of Martín de Álzaga (racing driver)

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Natalie Robinson Cole

We have two listed sources on Natalie Robinson Cole but they both have the same writer. I am not seeing how the article at present would pass GNG, since 2 works by the same creator are not 2 indepdent sources.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:07, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

William Q. De Funiak

William Q. De Funiak may be notable. However our one actual source is the obitruary from the Santa Cruz Newspaper. He lived in Santa Cruz. This is not enough to show anyone is notable. If his works were actually widely used by law students he would be notable, but we need more than an obituary blandly stating such to show the truth of such an assetion.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:49, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Celesta Geyer

I just added a bunch of sources to Celesta Geyer. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 21:05, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Stamp AFDS

Your opinion is requested here. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 19:39, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:People of British Guiana

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BLP watch

Wikipedia currently has 1,041,260 articles in Category:Living people.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:30, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Ben Hibbs

Ben Hibbs may have been a notable journalist. However we need more sources that treat him more broadly to show that. The source from the Eisenhower papers is not enough on its own.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:10, 31 May 2022 (UTC)