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GA review
Hai, I saw your GA review in Drishyam. Could you please review another article Loham. It was failed in a previous nomination and all the issues addressed in that has been resolved. It has undergone two peer reviews and is copy edited by a user from GOCE and a number of other experienced editors on my request, especially User:Atsme who is the major contibutor lately. --Charles Turing (talk) 13:24, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
- Sure, I'll be happy to take it. I should finish the review either tonight or tomorrow, it's that's OK. JAGUAR 13:27, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
- Feeling excited. Thank you very much. --Charles Turing (talk) 13:33, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
- Done. Corrected all the issues you addressed. :-) --Charles Turing (talk) 17:14, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
- Feeling excited. Thank you very much. --Charles Turing (talk) 13:33, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Diddy Kong Racing
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Diddy Kong Racing you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. 
This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of FunkMonk -- FunkMonk (talk) 19:40, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
Hai, Jaguar please review my next GAN Peruchazhi, i am sure it will be not like the previous one. This article has been checked against the B-Class criteria. JØ +TALK 04:19, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
- Sure, taken. It looks like it's in much better shape than the previous! JAGUAR 14:53, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks JAGUAR. JØ +TALK 15:07, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Diddy Kong Racing
The article Diddy Kong Racing you nominated as a good article has passed 
; see Talk:Diddy Kong Racing for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of FunkMonk -- FunkMonk (talk) 15:41, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
Wishes
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Happy Maha Shivaratri! |
| Wishing you, your family, and your dear ones a very happy Maha Shivaratri! Keep yourself very happy and joyful, away from sorrows and worries in this moment, something which Nataraja teaches!
PS: I don't know whether you are aware of this festival or not, but i'm sure you will be happy with this gesture of WikiLove. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 17:33, 7 March 2016 (UTC) |
I know that you are an atheist. I do respect your feelings. But, this is one of those rare moments where i can spread WikiLove with no regard to achievements. I will be happy if you accept this as a gesture of WikiLove. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 17:34, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you Pavan! I'm grateful that you thought of me, and I am actually familiar with Maha Shivaratri - I remember it from school several(!) years ago. Don't worry, I respect religion and am interested in the cultures they bring around the world. My whole family are Roman Catholic, me and my father are the only atheists, so I know how to feel out of place. JAGUAR 17:45, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
- How you are aware of an Indian festival is something i could not understand. Anyways, i am happy for that. Well, did you watch Manam? How did you feel? Pavanjandhyala (talk) 17:47, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
- I haven't yet watched it, I've been very distracted with RL stuff over the past few days and consequently I'm finding less time for wikipedia, although I'll probably get back to full editing later this week. I promise to watch it by tomorrow at the latest! I studied the history of the US, the British Empire and India at school, and it was the only subject I thoroughly enjoyed and done well in, so I still remember some aspects of it both vividly and vaguely. JAGUAR 17:52, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
- No worries. Do watch it with your family, it is a very refreshing film. Do prefer subs for the same. May i know what RL means? Baffle gab1978 was also speaking about something similar. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 17:55, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
- "RL" is short for real life. And I promise to watch it by tomorrow night at the latest, I'm in a mood for something refreshing! JAGUAR 18:00, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
- No worries. Do watch it with your family, it is a very refreshing film. Do prefer subs for the same. May i know what RL means? Baffle gab1978 was also speaking about something similar. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 17:55, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
- I haven't yet watched it, I've been very distracted with RL stuff over the past few days and consequently I'm finding less time for wikipedia, although I'll probably get back to full editing later this week. I promise to watch it by tomorrow at the latest! I studied the history of the US, the British Empire and India at school, and it was the only subject I thoroughly enjoyed and done well in, so I still remember some aspects of it both vividly and vaguely. JAGUAR 17:52, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
- How you are aware of an Indian festival is something i could not understand. Anyways, i am happy for that. Well, did you watch Manam? How did you feel? Pavanjandhyala (talk) 17:47, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Pegasus Bridge (video game)
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Pegasus Bridge (video game) you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Aoba47 -- Aoba47 (talk) 05:21, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Pegasus Bridge (video game)
The article Pegasus Bridge (video game) you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Pegasus Bridge (video game) for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Aoba47 -- Aoba47 (talk) 18:02, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
2007 Coca-Cola 600
The article, 2007 Coca-Cola 600 which you reviewed at GAN is up for an FAC nomination if you wish to comment further. Also Congratulations on getting your first Featured Article! Well deserved!. Z105space (talk) 08:48, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
Would you like to review this for GA? Let me know if you are interested in doing so. 
Pavanjandhyala (talk) 10:33, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
- Sure thing, taken. JAGUAR 17:38, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks for taking up the review despite a busy real life. Much appreciated! Hope everything is well. BTW, did you watch Manam? Just curious to know. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 00:11, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- I forgot to tell you that I finished watching it yesterday! It was so long that I had to watch it in three parts. It was very good, I enjoyed it! I was surprised that some lines were in English; I remember at the very beginning the parents wrote out "hi". The thing I found most impressive was the cinematography and storyline. Overall, brilliant! JAGUAR 11:57, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- Glad you loved it. The best scenes for me were when the businessman sees his mother at the traffic signal, the old man happy watching his parents at the hospital during the intermission. Last but the best, the way these two couples unite in the pre climax at the businessman's birthday. Unfortunately, that old man died during the film's production and if you recognise him, he was Abhimanyu in Mayabazar. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 14:55, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- Was that really him? I didn't realise! Yeah, those scenes were probably the best for me too. The actors were amazing. All Telugu and Tamil films I've watched so far have good atmospheres and life-like acting; I appreciate them more than commercial American films nowadays. JAGUAR 16:02, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- The old man was suffering with cancer during the film's principal photography. He died in January 2014, and only one song was left to be filmed. Two things notable: the expression you see in his face when the businessman and the doctor embrace in the pre climax i.e. this is the last scene he performed. Second, all the male protagonists are related to each other in real life. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 17:24, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- I didn't know they were all related! That's interesting. It sounds like he had a fitting end to his great career. JAGUAR 13:24, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
- It was fitting indeed. But the journey was a painful one as well. This may interest you. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 13:34, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
- How touching. He really loved acting and even did it in the final moments of his life, something that 99% of Hollywood actors wouldn't do as they would likely retire in their final years and live in hyped mansions in Beverly Hills. I have the utmost respect for him. JAGUAR 13:40, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
- It was fitting indeed. But the journey was a painful one as well. This may interest you. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 13:34, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
- I didn't know they were all related! That's interesting. It sounds like he had a fitting end to his great career. JAGUAR 13:24, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
- The old man was suffering with cancer during the film's principal photography. He died in January 2014, and only one song was left to be filmed. Two things notable: the expression you see in his face when the businessman and the doctor embrace in the pre climax i.e. this is the last scene he performed. Second, all the male protagonists are related to each other in real life. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 17:24, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- Was that really him? I didn't realise! Yeah, those scenes were probably the best for me too. The actors were amazing. All Telugu and Tamil films I've watched so far have good atmospheres and life-like acting; I appreciate them more than commercial American films nowadays. JAGUAR 16:02, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- Glad you loved it. The best scenes for me were when the businessman sees his mother at the traffic signal, the old man happy watching his parents at the hospital during the intermission. Last but the best, the way these two couples unite in the pre climax at the businessman's birthday. Unfortunately, that old man died during the film's production and if you recognise him, he was Abhimanyu in Mayabazar. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 14:55, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- I forgot to tell you that I finished watching it yesterday! It was so long that I had to watch it in three parts. It was very good, I enjoyed it! I was surprised that some lines were in English; I remember at the very beginning the parents wrote out "hi". The thing I found most impressive was the cinematography and storyline. Overall, brilliant! JAGUAR 11:57, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks for taking up the review despite a busy real life. Much appreciated! Hope everything is well. BTW, did you watch Manam? Just curious to know. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 00:11, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
Except for a song, everything related to his character was wrapped up. His condition turned serious and sensing that he would lose, he called up his son (his "father" in the film) to bring the dubbing equipment near his bed so that he would complete it, saying that he hates some other mimicry artist doing it for him when he left. It affected his voice very badly. Well, i am glad you liked it and i appreciate your efforts in watching it despite a busy real life. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 13:47, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
- That really is something special, he deserves the highest honours in acting. I know that some people love genuine acting, and he was an excellent actor. From here on out I'm not so busy in real life any more, but it's just my internet which affects me now; it keeps dropping out every ten minutes and it forces me to make loads of small edits! JAGUAR 13:51, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
- Similar issues here. I am trying to add something to Mayabazar since the last 50 minutes, and i could do it only now. Hope your internet crashes do not affect your GA/FA plans and contributions. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 13:57, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
- It's driving me crazy! My speed at best is 0.70 megabytes per second. It's bearable for editing Wikipedia pages but I can't do anything else. Sometimes I resort to tethering my computer to my phone and using mobile data, but I don't know if it costs anything... JAGUAR 14:03, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
- Similar issues here. I am trying to add something to Mayabazar since the last 50 minutes, and i could do it only now. Hope your internet crashes do not affect your GA/FA plans and contributions. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 13:57, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
Kalki Koechlin
Hey, I nominated Kalki Koechlin's article for WP:FA, I would appreciate your comments. If you find spare time leave your comments, Thank you! NumerounovedantTalk 17:55, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Jaguar: Hey, sorry to bother you again, but any reply would be appreciated. Thank you! NumerounovedantTalk 07:34, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
- Sorry for the delay, Numerounovedant! I've been inactive from Wikipedia for a while. I'll take a look at the FAC tomorrow. JAGUAR 19:21, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you, I appreciate it! NumerounovedantTalk 19:33, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
- Sorry for the delay, Numerounovedant! I've been inactive from Wikipedia for a while. I'll take a look at the FAC tomorrow. JAGUAR 19:21, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
GA status of Bangalore Days
Hi, the user Jo Bieson is blocked indefinitely. He was one of the socks of Sm Sangeeth Sm77. Previously he used multiple accounts to fake the GA review of Premam. He is a "GA freak" nominating moderately written or already developed articles (by someone else) for taking to GAN. In the two articles you promoted Drishyam looks fine, but Bangalore Days doesn't look like a good article. It surely effects the reputation of GA classification. BD cannot be compared with other GA's and cannot be taken as a reference for developing GA's. I think you should delist it. --Charles Turing (talk) 13:42, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks. I thought he was a sockpuppet. I was far too lenient on Bangalore Days, how embarrassing! It's time to rectify that, I'll just delist it now. JAGUAR 16:02, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- Good decision. --Charles Turing (talk) 16:10, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- Hi, I see that Bangalore Days has been delisted by you. I understand that you were the original reviewer, but I don't think the process was carried out in a formal fashion. You never explained why the article did not meet the criteria (in its talk page). If you based your decision solely based on the sock-puppetry thing, you might want to consider a reassessment (individual or community) for Drishyam as well. —Vensatry (Talk) 11:59, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
- Hi. I thought sending it through GAR would be a waste of time, as it would be delisted anyway. Passing the GAN in the first place was an error and my decision would have been the same even if JO Bieson wasn't a sockpuppet. Anybody can send Drishyam to GAR if they would like to. JAGUAR 15:08, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
- Hi, I see that Bangalore Days has been delisted by you. I understand that you were the original reviewer, but I don't think the process was carried out in a formal fashion. You never explained why the article did not meet the criteria (in its talk page). If you based your decision solely based on the sock-puppetry thing, you might want to consider a reassessment (individual or community) for Drishyam as well. —Vensatry (Talk) 11:59, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
Moar Bach
I am looking forward to a Bach cantata as TFA on Easter Sunday. Several of his early works are mentioned prominently, some of them GANs: Gottes Zeit ist die allerbeste Zeit, BWV 106 and Der Herr denket an uns, BWV 196. Would be nice to have them improved until then. (Will tell Yash! the same,and try to improve more.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:48, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
- I'll be happy to take some. I'll have them complete in time for Easter. JAGUAR 16:05, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
- Do you think the infobox adds nothing to the article? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:41, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
- I don't mind infoboxes when they are used correctly; for example they're useful on articles that cover settlements or anything media-related. But when it comes to infoboxes on biography articles I don't see what benefits they bring. Sinatra's infobox (before the collapse) had a lot of pointless information and cluttered the article. I support the removal of any infobox on a BLP but when it comes to GA reviewing, I never bring it up. JAGUAR 20:48, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
- I just wonder where we obviously see things differently. I am willing to not visit Sinatra again (enough of the suspicion I recruited warriors), may he rest in peace. Same for Peter Maxwell Davies. Please take a look. - There's also a discussion on the talk, among gentlemen who arrived at a compromise. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:08, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
- I know how heated things can get so rapidly! I was there when the compromise was made, and I remember it was made not to affect Sinatra's transition to GA. If I ever review Peter Maxwell Davies, I will never bring up the infobox ;-D JAGUAR 22:14, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
- It was reverted, and discussed as should be, no? - Thank you for another fine review! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:17, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
- The cantata is on the Main page now, very suitable: not only Palm Sunday, but in some areas of the world already Bach's birthday. Please watch WP:QAIPOST, there may another coming (thinking of BWV 150, BWV 131, BWV 71). The old ones are less critical in time. Thanks again, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:08, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
- Changed my mind: BWV 243 nominated, 71 will be next, Thoughtfortheday will work on 131. On Bach's birthday ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:08, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
- The cantata is on the Main page now, very suitable: not only Palm Sunday, but in some areas of the world already Bach's birthday. Please watch WP:QAIPOST, there may another coming (thinking of BWV 150, BWV 131, BWV 71). The old ones are less critical in time. Thanks again, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:08, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
- It was reverted, and discussed as should be, no? - Thank you for another fine review! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:17, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
- I know how heated things can get so rapidly! I was there when the compromise was made, and I remember it was made not to affect Sinatra's transition to GA. If I ever review Peter Maxwell Davies, I will never bring up the infobox ;-D JAGUAR 22:14, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
- I just wonder where we obviously see things differently. I am willing to not visit Sinatra again (enough of the suspicion I recruited warriors), may he rest in peace. Same for Peter Maxwell Davies. Please take a look. - There's also a discussion on the talk, among gentlemen who arrived at a compromise. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:08, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
- I don't mind infoboxes when they are used correctly; for example they're useful on articles that cover settlements or anything media-related. But when it comes to infoboxes on biography articles I don't see what benefits they bring. Sinatra's infobox (before the collapse) had a lot of pointless information and cluttered the article. I support the removal of any infobox on a BLP but when it comes to GA reviewing, I never bring it up. JAGUAR 20:48, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
- Do you think the infobox adds nothing to the article? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:41, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
The infobox in Peter Maxwell Davies is a prime example of WP:Disinfobox. I wouldn't hold it against an editor when reviewing either but it really has very limited use and would look better without it.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:31, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
Counter-Strike: Falklands has been nominated for Did You Know
 | Hello, Jaguar. Counter-Strike: Falklands, an article you either created or significantly contributed to, has been nominated to appear on Wikipedia's Main Page as part of Did you know . You can see the hook and the discussion here. You are welcome to participate! Thank you. APersonBot (talk!) 18:25, 19 March 2016 (UTC) |
Mine?
What is yours? — Calvin999 23:03, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
- You're becoming exceedingly tedious. Just fuck off. JAGUAR 23:10, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
- Okay, as long as you do too? — Calvin999 23:14, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
- Best to ignore Calvin's ANI post now I think, he's just trolling for a reaction. Funny how Sinatra has had millions of page views since it was written and nobody complained about the infobox and then Calvin of all people brings it up! Even if it was innocent, his trolling and looking for drama since proves the sort of character he is!♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:39, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
- I know! He's not worth it. I've never seen anybody so needlessly provocative on wiki before, so I'll just ignore him. As Mark Twain said: "Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level"! JAGUAR 11:42, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
- Best to ignore Calvin's ANI post now I think, he's just trolling for a reaction. Funny how Sinatra has had millions of page views since it was written and nobody complained about the infobox and then Calvin of all people brings it up! Even if it was innocent, his trolling and looking for drama since proves the sort of character he is!♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:39, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
- Okay, as long as you do too? — Calvin999 23:14, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
Please reconsider your reversion of my edit. . . Mean as custard (talk) 16:44, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
- Sorry, it seems that you beat me to reverting that vandalism, and I accidentally reverted you! JAGUAR 16:46, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
I work with Slick Rick and am reworking the page for accuracy and brevity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Navigator212 (talk • contribs) 16:57, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
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Jaguar made a mistake about Remus Cernea no longer Green Party politician, never graduated, Alma Mater: none.
Jaguar made a mistake about Remus Cernea because you never checked my changes on Remus Cernea's page. 1. Remus Cernea is no longer Green Party politician. 2. Remus Cernea has never graduated because he didn't pass all exams. 3. Remus Cernea's Alma Mater: none. Yes, I'm against Remus Cernea because he tries to manipulate people but Wikipedia should be objective and check. The Romanian and French version of Remus Cernea pages are completely different — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocco7777 (talk • contribs) 13:27, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
Jaguar made a mistake about Remus Cernea page
How dare you? You made a mistake changing my modification about Remus Cernea. How can you prove your modification? You can check the Romanian and French versions about this politician: no longer Green Party, never graduated(check Romania version). Alma Mater: none Jaguar are you subjective person? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocco7777 (talk • contribs) 13:49, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
- I'm really sorry about that. The revert was indeed a mistake on a semi-automated program and I've reverted my error. JAGUAR 14:19, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Steep, Hampshire
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Steep, Hampshire you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Sainsf -- Sainsf (talk) 04:21, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar |
| For your help on the peer review of Lips Are Movin, and continued action against people vandalising others' talk pages. MaranoFan (talk) 10:20, 23 March 2016 (UTC) |
- Thanks, MaranoFan! It's best to just ignore Calvin now; the more people feed him, the more reason he continues his trolling. At any rate he's going to be blocked soon. JAGUAR 11:17, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Steep, Hampshire
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2016 GA Cup-Round 2
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Flash! Jump!
Precious again, your flashing game!
It's your first, right? Good luck! (If you want to review a GA by what I think is a new nominator, turn to BWV 131.)--Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:42, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
- Congratulations on bringing Jumping Flash! on the front page today. ツ FrB.TG (talk) 08:32, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you both! I've taken the review Gerda, I should finish it soon. I can't believe that it's been vandalised already, and to annoy me further, the spelling "instalment" was changed to "installment". JAGUAR 13:03, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
- My last one was changed funnily within minutes, but was otherwise quiet. Seems to help if death is mentioned. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:50, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
Pointless AWB edits
This edit is explicitly prohibited by AWB Rules of Use #4. Please stop making such edits or your AWB access will have to be removed. —Kusma (t·c) 16:29, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
- I wouldn't say that they're pointless, I set AWB to restore all project banners to their default names, similar to this example I saw happen last week. My edits also include fixing typos/syntax and re-aligning talk page banners. JAGUAR 16:34, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
- As the AWB Rules say, "An edit that has no noticeable effect on the rendered page is generally considered an insignificant edit." Bypassing template redirects has no noticeable effect on the rendered page. Do not make edits that do not change the rendered page, it does nothing but annoy people by clogging up their watchlists. If you think it should be done, at least have it done by a flagged bot so the changes can be easily ignored. —Kusma (t·c) 16:38, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
- You were warned about this before. At the next incidence of one bad AWB edit, I will remove your access. —Kusma (t·c) 16:41, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
- I've stopped editing now. I'm wary of clogging up people's watchlists (I've already clogged up my own, considering there are some surviving 2012 townships), so I won't change the redirects unless they're actually broken. I did indeed find and corrected some broken ones, which inspired me to go through all the townships today. In the meantime I'll have to think of something more worthwhile to do. JAGUAR 16:45, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
A reminder
I'm sure you've not forgotten but the WP:Awaken the Dragon contest starts in 4 and half hours time. I wish you the best of luck!♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:20, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
- Nope, not forgotten! I've got my GAN reviewing on standby... JAGUAR 18:21, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
Awaken the Dragon
Hey there, bro. How's it going? Best of Luck with the "Awaken the Dragon" BTW. Is the contest more like "Awakening the Wikidragon in you?" If so, would there be one next year as this year, I'll pretty much be on "on-and-off" doses due to my Final Year Project (FYP). — Ssven2 Speak 2 me 00:30, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
- Hey Ssven, it's going well thank you. Yeah LOL, this comes to mind for some reason! I haven't been writing many GAs this month due to lack of motivation, but who knows what will happen this month. I don't know if there will be one next year, but it would be good if there was because it is beneficial to the project. Did you want me to copyedit Anbe Sivam? JAGUAR 12:25, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
- Well, you can if it's alright with you. — Ssven2 Speak 2 me 13:41, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
- Even though that night is still a blur, I gave it a copyedit, although I left the structure alone as I'm not aware of the content. Let me know if you need anything else! JAGUAR 15:08, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
- Well, you can if it's alright with you.
DYK for Counter-Strike: Falklands
 | On 3 April 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Counter-Strike: Falklands, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that after the release of Counter-Strike: Falklands, two of the developer's websites were targeted by a distributed denial-of-service attack? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Counter-Strike: Falklands. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. |
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
Stub Obliteration
For this week I'm introducing a sort of game to blast away those stale old stubs with a prize at the end of it. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Wales/Awaken the Dragon/Stub Obliteration 2016. Expansion rules don't apply to any articles done through this, all you have to do is ensure every article you submit is minimum 1.5kb readable prose in total and adequately sourced and readable and remove the stub tag and update the project tag on the talk page. It could be that the article is 1.2kb readable prose and you simply add 0.3 kb prose and just quickly smarten up the sources and give a minor copyedit. The goal is reducing the number of stubs we have and making them more consistent, minimum start class entries. Read the top for the rules and more details and add your name to it in the style of the main entries page if you want to participate. It's open to contestants and anybody who is participating in the editathon independently. Potentially a lot of points can be earned from mass basic expansions with this!♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:18, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
Got the fixes done, let me know if there is anything else! Judgesurreal777 (talk) 23:13, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
Why
are you still making contact with me and harassing me? What's your problem? And please go an educate yourself as to what trolling means. I notice that you haven't informed MaranoFan what vandalism means. — Calvin999 22:07, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, I didn't mean to come across as harassing. Daily Mail is a tabloid and is shunned from being used as a reliable source per WP:NEWSORG. I've had it explained to me myself in numerous FACs. I'm not sure why that source survived the article's FAC, maybe it was an oversight or somebody added it after it got promoted. And I meant to say WP:DTTR, that too is also shunned and unhelpful in all cases. JAGUAR 22:10, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
- And before you say anything, I typed an edit summary for re-instating MF's warning, but pressed cancel, deciding it's not worth the hassle. But it re-instated it anyway. So no lectures please. — Calvin999 22:11, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
- But it is a music critic who is reviewing the song. Of course it's opinion based. I don't see the issue with, or with using Daily Mail. — Calvin999 22:15, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
- You are correct, Calvin999. While the Daily Mail is not seen as a reliable source when it comes to news items (politics, and so on) there's no reason why it can't be used for a music review by a critic. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 22:19, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
- Exactly, and to answer your point Jaguar, that is why it was not asked to be removed during the candidacy for FA. — Calvin999 22:21, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
- I'm a big enough person to admit when I'm wrong, and I was wrong. For that revert I apologise. JAGUAR 22:22, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
- Good, thank you. See, I'm not the evil troll that several people are making me out to be. I was right, and MF was wrong. He refuses to listen to me, but seems to have befriended you. So perhaps you should tell him he was wrong, and explain why. — Calvin999 22:26, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
- I'm a big enough person to admit when I'm wrong, and I was wrong. For that revert I apologise. JAGUAR 22:22, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
- Exactly, and to answer your point Jaguar, that is why it was not asked to be removed during the candidacy for FA. — Calvin999 22:21, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
- You are correct, Calvin999. While the Daily Mail is not seen as a reliable source when it comes to news items (politics, and so on) there's no reason why it can't be used for a music review by a critic. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 22:19, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
- But it is a music critic who is reviewing the song. Of course it's opinion based. I don't see the issue with, or with using Daily Mail. — Calvin999 22:15, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
- And before you say anything, I typed an edit summary for re-instating MF's warning, but pressed cancel, deciding it's not worth the hassle. But it re-instated it anyway. So no lectures please. — Calvin999 22:11, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
All set! Judgesurreal777 (talk) 00:12, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
Redhead
Would you be willing to conduct the GA review of this American redhead? ツ FrB.TG (talk) 12:37, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
- You know, I was watching Easy A last night and I thought she had one of the only American accents I really liked. Of course I'll take it! JAGUAR 12:43, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you for looking at it so quickly but do remember to do this the next time. ツ FrB.TG (talk) 14:09, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
- Oops. Will never forget. JAGUAR 15:34, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you for looking at it so quickly but do remember to do this the next time. ツ FrB.TG (talk) 14:09, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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The Editor's Barnstar |
| Hi Jaguar. Can I just say thank you so much for your hard work on Good Article reviews? It's been a long time since I've been writing articles and over the past few months I've been a little concerned about my articles. Having someone read and enjoy the articles we've been writing, as well as giving such positive reviews has really meant a lot to us. I really just wanted to say, thank you. WormTT(talk) 13:01, 10 April 2016 (UTC) |
- Thank you very much Worm That Turned! I'm always happy to take any of your reviews as I enjoyed reading through them. Let's hope for many more in the future! JAGUAR 13:05, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
All set! And congrats on your Barnstar, you deserve it! Judgesurreal777 (talk) 13:51, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
Fixed up! Judgesurreal777 (talk) 14:05, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
A Barnstar for You!
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The Reviewer's Barnstar | |
| In acknowledgment of your meritorious efforts to clear the Good Article Nominations Backlog, in particular for articles under the Video Game subtopic, I hereby award you the Reviewer's Barnstar. May your work be an example to others that reviewing is just as important as nominating! Judgesurreal777 (talk) 19:38, 12 April 2016 (UTC) |
- Thank you! JAGUAR 19:44, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
I have removed part of your addition to the above article, as it appears you have added material copied from http://www.holyhead.com/stcybi/index.html, a copyright web page. All content must be written in your own words please. Ninja Diannaa (Talk) 16:22, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
- @Ninja Diannaa: is there really any need for hiding the revisions? JAGUAR 20:23, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
- It's the usual practice. Sorry, — Diannaa (talk) 20:52, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
- It's fine, just seemed odd for all the revisions to be hidden! JAGUAR 20:53, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
- All intervening edits (between addition and removal) need to be hidden for the revision-deletion to be complete, because the content is present in each intervening diff. I've done some crazy revision-deletions in the past, involving thousands of diffs! — Diannaa (talk) 21:01, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
- It's fine, just seemed odd for all the revisions to be hidden! JAGUAR 20:53, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
- It's the usual practice. Sorry, — Diannaa (talk) 20:52, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
Your source?Xx236 (talk) 11:19, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
- I'm in the middle of writing it! JAGUAR 11:21, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
- You know people like you really piss me off. I created that article not less than ten minutes ago and you should have known I was in the middle of expanding it. Can't wait to get my Autopatrolled back so that it prevents me from being patronised like this. JAGUAR 11:28, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
Autopatrolled granted
Hi Jaguar, I just wanted to let you know that I have added the "autopatrolled" permission to your account, as you have created numerous, valid articles. This feature will have no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to reduce the workload on new page patrollers. For more information on the patroller right, see Wikipedia:Autopatrolled. Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! Widr (talk) 13:58, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
- Congrats to that, - overdue ;) - Would you have comments for my latest FAC (no Bach, for a change)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:39, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks Gerda! I feel like a demon has finally been put to rest. I'll leave some comments at your FAC soon. JAGUAR 18:25, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
- May I (impatiently) ask when "soon" will be? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:05, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
- So sorry Gerda! I'll get on it right now. I got carried away from the drama that ensued from this. I can only apologise. JAGUAR 16:11, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
- May I (impatiently) ask when "soon" will be? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:05, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks Gerda! I feel like a demon has finally been put to rest. I'll leave some comments at your FAC soon. JAGUAR 18:25, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
- No problem, I waited patiently as long as the drama lasted ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:16, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
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Hello, Jaguar. I have been working on the Anthony Anderson article for quite a while, so could you please consider reviewing it for GA status? I have put in a lot of work into finding as many sources as possible, but I am sure that there are some errors. Also, I think it may be too detailed, but I'm not sure where to start. Feel free to start the review! TempleM (talk) 16:00, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
- Taken. It looks good from what I've seen, comprehensiveness is arguably one of the most important parts of the criteria (definitely the most important part for a FAC). JAGUAR 16:56, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
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Sorry about that.. i thought this was the first animated film directed by 17 year old boy. Kindly remove the tag please — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beforechristentertainments (talk • contribs) 17:43, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
Sorry
Sorry thats the first animated film by 17 year boy..please remove tag please
Copyvio concerns, autopatrolled removed
Since you recently had your "autopatrolled" right regranted, I decided to check your recent article creations. Sadly, they present copyvio concerns, and content issues (e.g. "dedicated to the namesake of" is double: either its namesake is saint X, or it is dedicated to saint X, but it is never dedicated to the namesake of saint X...")
St Mary's Church, Menai Bridge
St Mary's Church, Menai Bridge vs. source
"Dating from the 18th century, St Mary's Church is dedicated to the namesake of St Mary." This should be 19th century.
"The church was re-constructed in 1858 in order to accommodate the congregation of Menai Bridge, which had grown too large for the church of St Tysilio, situated on Church Island. Local residents wanted to keep the church on the island, however in 1850, the rector Reverend T. Jones Williams, insisted that the church should be built on the mainland, on a site granted by the Marquess of Anglesey. The final cost of construction was £1450"
"Built in 1858 to accommodate the congregation of Menai Bridge which had grown too large for the church of St. Tysilio on Church Island. Traditionalists wanted to keep the church on the island, but in 1850 the rector, Reverend T Jones Williams, insisted the church be built on the mainland, on a site granted by the Marquess of Anglesey. The final cost of construction was £1450"
Comparing the two makes the copyvio (with very minimal paraphrasing) clear.
"St Mary's Church consist of a large nave with six roof bays and a chancel of three roof bays, which are both exposed with collared trusses and cusped braces." No, they are not exposed with collared trusses, they have exposed collared trusses: "Nave of 6 roof bays, chancel of 3 roof bays, both with exposed collared trusses with cusped braces" Avoiding copyvio doesn't mean to some minimal paraphrasing which changes the meaning, but to a complete rewrite which keeps the meaning (see also above "Traditionalists" vs. "Local residents").
St Machraeth's Church, Llanfachraeth
St Machraeth's Church, Llanfachraeth vs. [1]
Most important, you claim "St Machraeth's Church (also known as the church of St Figael)", but your only source states that is situated "c 1.5km ESE of the church of St Machraeth.", which means that they are two different churches, and that yor article is named for one but describes the other...
"The first mention of the church was during the Norwich Taxation in 1254, however little survives other than the font and the foundations of the walling. The present building is probably early 19th century in design, however according to a historian in 1833 a small portion of its ruins "are remaining". The church was renovated in the 18th century and subscriptions had been collected for its repair in the 19th century. "
"A church here was listed in the 1254 Norwich Taxation, but of a medieval church, little survives other than the font and perhaps foundations and part of the walling. The present building is probably early C19 "but a small portion of its ruins are remaining" according to Lewis in 1833, though C18 plans are said to survive, and subscriptions had been collected for its repair in the C18."
Strange how the C18 at the end changes to the 19th century in your version. The text is better paraphrased than the previous example, but still in parts too close for comfort.
St Maelog's Church, Llanfaelog
St Maelog's Church, Llanfaelog vs. [2]
"St Maelog's Church is a medieval church in the village of Llanfaelog, situated in the Isle of Anglesey, Wales. The building dates from the 18th century" Um, when do the middle ages end in Anglesey? A medieval church from the 18th century? Well, not really from the 18th century, it was built in 1848 which is the middle of the 19th century of course.
"Dating from the 18th century, St Maelog's Church is dedicated to the namesake of St Maelog." Again, 19th century, and get rid of that terrible "dedicated to the namesake of" construction
"The present church was re-constructed in 1848 in order to replace the old church of St Maelog, located on a similar site within the churchyard. The building was one of many churches on the Isle of Anglesey that were either substantially re-constructed or rebuilt in 18th to 19th centuries."
"The present church was built in 1848 to replace the old church of St. Maelog, located on different site within the churchyard. The church was one of many churches on the island that were either substantially reconstructed or rebuilt in mid C19."
Built is not the same as re-constructed at all. Use "constructed" if you must. And replacing "mid C19" with "18th to 19th centuries" is not really exact of course, you could have used "around 1850" if you needed to retain this information. Basically, you copied these sentences, changed three words, and made two errors in these three replacements (not counting the major errors I highlighted from the lead)
St Llwydian's Church, Heneglwys
St Llwydian's Church, Heneglwys vs. [3]
"The current building is a mid 19th century church for the village of Heneglwys. The church was rebuilt in 1845 on the same plan and in the same style as the previous building, with much of the old materials being reused. The architect for the development was the local Rector J Wynne Jones. The former church is thought to have been dated to the 14th century, probably replacing the older church of Heneglwys which, was built in C12. The present church building has reset 14th and 15th century windows, and late 14th century openings in the porch; the eastern window is a mid 19th century replica of the original. "
"Mid C19 church for the parish of Heneglwys. The church was rebuilt in 1845 on the same plan and in the same style as the former church and much of the old materials were reused. The architect was the Rector J Wynne Jones. The former church is thought to have been C14, probably replacing the 'old church' (Heneglwys) which, judging from the reset Norman stonework, was built in C12. The present church building has reset C14 and C15 windows, and late C14 openings in the porch; the E window is a mid C19 replica of the original."
The "Heneglwys which, was built in C12" is a telltale sign of the copy-paste you did: you removed part of the sentence but forgot to get rid of the comma, which now is an unnecessary distraction.
St Gwenfaen's Church, Rhoscolyn
St Gwenfaen's Church, Rhoscolyn vs. [4]
I don't think you have understood the text you used as a source. This is not a 15th century church, but one from 1875 (so not a medieval church). The "door" issue; "The current church was was built in the 15th century and stands on the same site as the previous church. Its doorway has been set in the southern wall, unlike the original church. " No, the 1875 church has the 15th century doorway "reset in the Southern wall".
You try but fail to indicate when you quote things, "The reasons for listing include it being a a "good example" of a rural parish church and "simple" Gothic-revival style appropriate to its scale and site.". The original text is "Included as a good example of a rural parish church, the simple Gothic style appropriate to its scale and site, and with rich interior fittings.", so you should have writen ""The reasons for listing include it being "a good example of a rural parish church" and "simple" Gothic-revival style "appropriate to its scale and site"."
These are the five most recent ones, the ones preceding this have the same copyvio and content problems, meaning that you clearly shouldn't have the "autopatrolled" right as all your recent articles need thorough checking and some may need deletion. Fram (talk) 09:29, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- @Fram: I understand that the church articles could have been better paraphrased. British Listed Buildings is the only source that covers all of these, and its writing and syntax are on par with a Victorian telegram. The articles I recently created were for the Wales in Red competition, which required that participants create any article over 750 characters, which I have done. I accept that my lack of dedication to properly flesh out the church articles might be interpreted as copyvios but I don't understand why this would result in having my Autopatrolled revoked again. Regardless of this, I've demonstrated that I can create quality articles since 2012; I've already created ten articles that have since become GAs over the past few months. I've honestly felt that I was still being punished for something that happened four years ago, when I was a totally different person. I admit that I have made errors in the last two articles; I stated that the churches were medieval when in fact they were built in the 1800s. I made a template at User:Jaguar/Wales listed building to help speed things up, but now the contest is over I won't be creating anything more. I don't understand why these recent articles result in having Autopatrolled revoked because I won't be going back to doing that, and also everybody knows that I'm a good content creator with no intention of mass-creating etc. What should I do to get this back? I can't help but feel that creating more articles to tick boxes seems like a waste of time. JAGUAR 12:39, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- "I accept that my lack of dedication to properly flesh out the church articles might be interpreted as copyvios but I don't understand why this would result in having my Autopatrolled revoked again. " I'm sorry, I don't think I can explain it any better than you just did. Creating many articles in a short time with copyright violations and multiple factual errors (on rather short articles, not one error in a long article) is the perfect reason why your articles need to be patrolled. "I admit that I have made errors in the last two articles" and in the others as well. "everybody knows that I'm a good content creator with no intention of mass-creating", but you were right now mass-creating articles with poor content. You may not be going back to that, but we have only your word for it. Why do you want the right back so desperately? It doesn't change anything for you, only for the new page patrollers. Fram (talk) 12:52, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- I know that having Autopatrolled rights is nothing major, but I just got tired with being inadvertently patronised by people whenever I started new articles. When new page patrollers patrol articles, they are usually under the impression that the person creating them is a newbie, so they either tag articles or leave condescending messages when you're in the middle of fleshing them out. I always edit in quick bursts and whenever I hit "save page" it is usually met with interference, so I thought having Autopatrolled will clear things up for me. I know it sounds insignificant but it's a little thing that can make a big difference for me. That, and it reminds me of the traumatising 2012 experience. I guess the only thing I can do is to create more so the number reaches around 25, and think of the church articles as an inconvenience. JAGUAR 13:00, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- Perhaps think of the church articles as something needing urgent cleanup instead of just an inconvenience in your road to the autopatrolled status. Fram (talk) 13:35, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- I know that having Autopatrolled rights is nothing major, but I just got tired with being inadvertently patronised by people whenever I started new articles. When new page patrollers patrol articles, they are usually under the impression that the person creating them is a newbie, so they either tag articles or leave condescending messages when you're in the middle of fleshing them out. I always edit in quick bursts and whenever I hit "save page" it is usually met with interference, so I thought having Autopatrolled will clear things up for me. I know it sounds insignificant but it's a little thing that can make a big difference for me. That, and it reminds me of the traumatising 2012 experience. I guess the only thing I can do is to create more so the number reaches around 25, and think of the church articles as an inconvenience. JAGUAR 13:00, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- "I accept that my lack of dedication to properly flesh out the church articles might be interpreted as copyvios but I don't understand why this would result in having my Autopatrolled revoked again. " I'm sorry, I don't think I can explain it any better than you just did. Creating many articles in a short time with copyright violations and multiple factual errors (on rather short articles, not one error in a long article) is the perfect reason why your articles need to be patrolled. "I admit that I have made errors in the last two articles" and in the others as well. "everybody knows that I'm a good content creator with no intention of mass-creating", but you were right now mass-creating articles with poor content. You may not be going back to that, but we have only your word for it. Why do you want the right back so desperately? It doesn't change anything for you, only for the new page patrollers. Fram (talk) 12:52, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
Blocked for a week
I just noted that on 13 April, the article St Cybi's Church you created on 10 April 2016, was completely rev-deled as a copyright violation, and that you were warned about this here a few sections higher by User:Diannaa. You simply continued doing the same afterwards, and are only concerned about your autopatrolled status, not about the copyright violations. This is not acceptable. I have accordingly blocked you for a week. Fram (talk) 13:44, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- Fram, I was just in the middle of reviewing six GANs in my open tabs. I thought that the St Cybi's Church claim was exaggerated and I disagreed with the rev deletions. Yes, I copy and pasted extracts from British History Online and paraphrased them into the articles. It was the only source I could have used. What else could I have done? It's a competition for creating articles over 750 characters. I took St Cybi's Church as an acknowledgement and I tried to rephrase extracts better in the future. With the horrible syntax there wasn't much I could have done. I did acknowledge and accept Diannaa's message. Why am I blocked for a week? Isn't that exaggerated for something that I said I would no longer do? JAGUAR 13:50, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- Please refrain from entering any further competitions. They are a means to improve Wikipedia, not an excuse to rapid-fire error-riddled copyvio articles. As for what you said you would or wouldn't do, I have seen how truthful your comments were at the request for autopatrolled page as well. I look at your actions, not your claims. The GA reviews will have to wait, and shouldn't have been your priority anyway. Cleaning up the mess you created should have been more important, if you cared about Wikipedia instead of some competition. Fram (talk) 13:54, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- The only thing I care about is improving the encyclopaedia. Look at the scoreboard for the Wales contest, I'm nowhere near the top and when I started creating the church articles I knew full well that no matter what I done I would never win any prizes. I did it for fun and to help improve the project, which is what Wikipedia is all about. I think you took my comments at the autopatrolled request page the wrong way, I genuinely couldn't remember that I had another set of articles deleted in January 2013 and another in late 2013. I wasn't active at all in 2013, I think I made something like only 200 edits in that entire year, so everything in that year is a blur. Why a week? I don't understand what this is going to do when I said I'd never create church articles again as the stub contest ended yesterday. Believe it or not, I really do have respect for you, and that's something I rarely to say to people. I respect your actions as a level-minded admin, and it feels odd for saying that as I have outspoken views on adminship. I don't know what good this block is going to serve as I've moved on. I will be willing to cleanup the church articles if it made a difference. Or you can delete them if you see fit. JAGUAR 14:03, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- Please refrain from entering any further competitions. They are a means to improve Wikipedia, not an excuse to rapid-fire error-riddled copyvio articles. As for what you said you would or wouldn't do, I have seen how truthful your comments were at the request for autopatrolled page as well. I look at your actions, not your claims. The GA reviews will have to wait, and shouldn't have been your priority anyway. Cleaning up the mess you created should have been more important, if you cared about Wikipedia instead of some competition. Fram (talk) 13:54, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
"I thought that the St Cybi's Church claim was exaggerated and I disagreed with the rev deletions. "
Your article:
"In 1897 a chapel was added to the south side of the existing ancient church. It consists of a life-size recumbent figure with watching angels at the head and feet, which was designed by British architect Hamo Thornycroft. The steps of green serpentine marble were taken from the quarry at Rhoscolyn. The memorial was erected to the memory of W. O. Stanley and his wife, Ellen. On the south face of the south transept is a sun dial on which is the inscription "Yr hoedl ar hyd ei haros a dderfydd yn nydd ac yn nos" which translates to "Life though long it stay will end in night and day"."
Source[5]
"In 1897 a chapel was added to the south side of the existing ancient Church. In it is a monument of Carrara marble. It consists of a life-size recumbent figure with watching angels at the head and feet, which was designed by Hamo Thornycroft. The steps of green serpentine marble were taken from the quarry at Rhoscolyn. The memorial was erected to the memory of the Hon. W. O. Stanley and his wife Ellen. On the south face of the south transept is a sun dial on which is the inscription "Yr hoedl ar hyd ei haros a dderfydd yn nydd ac yn nos" which translates to read "Life though long it stay will end in night and day"."
The claim was obviously not exaggerated and the revdel perfectly appropriate. When you do try to paraphrase, you create mangled English and factual errors.
"The original church consisted on an early Christian monastic settlement was established at Holyhead around 540 AD by St Cybi, a cousin of St David. Cybi chose to build his monastery within the walls of a ruined Roman fort. In the 6th century the original church was sacked by Viking raiders."
Source[6]
"An early Christian monastic settlement was established here at Holyhead around 540 AD by Cybi, a cousin of St David. Cybi chose to build his monastery within the walls of a ruined Roman fort, and the 'clas' whioch he established controlled churches in west Anglesey for the next 1000 years. The 6th century church was sacked by Viking raiders in the 10th century."
You butchered the first sentence and put the Viking raids 400 years earlier, while still not avoiding copyright violations. That you had problems with this revdel indicates that you need to rethink your approach to article writing here. If you feel that you don't have enough sources to write an article in your own words, then don't write the article. Fram (talk) 14:55, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- You can delete the articles if you want. I think a week's block is unnecessary and fruitless. I know that I've done a bad job of creating those articles but you haven't explained what the point of this block is. JAGUAR 15:25, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- A note here that a page had to rev-deled because of copyvio clearly didn't help; my note detailing the problems with these five articles didn't make much of an impression either. So we try something else. Perhaps this time the message will get through. If the problems happen again afterwards, the block will be longer. If no more copyvio's happen after the block expires, so much the better. Fram (talk) 15:32, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- What do you mean? Are you worried I'm going to be creating more copyvio Anglesey churches? JAGUAR 15:40, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- No, I'm worried that you will add more copyvio's, period. Fram (talk) 15:58, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- What do you mean? Are you worried I'm going to be creating more copyvio Anglesey churches? JAGUAR 15:40, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
@Fram: Rather than block him for trying to help wikipedia, do you not think that it would be more productive for him to simply reedit them? Sorry Fram, but you do have a history of pouncing on anybody who creates a lot of stubs within a short period of time. The fact is you don't like it when people create more than two articles in one day, even if they're adequate and don't have vios. Do the decent thing and unblock him and let him fix it.♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:42, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- "Rather than block him for trying to help wikipedia" I really stopped readng there. Adding copyvio articles where the few things not copied are likely to be wrong is definitely not helping the Wikipedia. Not doing anything about them after the problems have been pointed out is not even trying to help Wikipedia. Fram (talk) 15:44, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
As for "if you cared about Wikipedia instead of some competition". Jaguar is taking part in the competition because he cares about wikipedia. That's why. And it's not as if Jaguar has a chance of "winning" or wants to win. He was genuinely trying to help. This is not just "some competition", it has produced some of the best content on average together I've ever seen on here. More decent content produced than you've ever produced in how many years on here Fram? You come across as a bully who relishes ridiculing other editors for their errors. Those are listed buildings Fram, many Grade II* subjects, really notable buildings. Yes, it's unfortunate what has happened, but it's not anything which can't be fixed within a few hours.♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:50, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- I have said nothing about the notability of the buildings, which is utterly irrelevant here. Someone is not allowed more copyvios and more errors the more notable the subject is he is writing about. I have also said nothing about the contents created by others in this contest. I haven't said that the contest should stop, I have said that Jaguar would be best to stop caring about contests if that leads to these problems (and he blames at least part of the problems on the contest, with things like "What else could I have done? It's a competition for creating articles over 750 characters.") But good going with the personal attacks, that's really the way to get someone to reconsider. Feel free to fix these articles, that would be useful. Fram (talk) 15:58, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- No it is not a competition for creating articles over 750 characters. It is a competition geared at quality article improvements of core articles and improving existing content. I spent many hours compiling Wikipedia:WikiProject Wales/Awaken the Dragon/Core articles. The overall goal of the project is that, improving crappy stubs and important articles and it's produced some amazing quality work like Senghenydd Colliery Disaster, Women's suffrage in Wales and S. O. Davies. Editors have been working so hard on core content for over two weeks that I thought it would be a breather and enjoyable if they were permitted to create some decent stubs over the weekend. It is unfortunate what happened here, but knowing Jaguar he would restart these and take extra care to clean it up. It is lazy just deleting articles on Grade I listed buildings and not at least trying to help restart them without vios. Do you actually do any work on here any more Fram?♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:17, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- Fram, it's not like I added a load of obvious copyvios on purpose. I told you that British Listed Buildings as a source has good information but horrible writing so that it makes it hard to paraphrase. I can either fix them or you can delete them. I've been nothing but kind and patient today. A week's block is inappropriate, especially when I said I'd be willing to help fix them. Just take a good look at the amount of good articles I've made, this is genuinely the first time I've been told about copyvios. JAGUAR 16:01, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- No, this is the second time you were told about copyvios, the first time (assuming that much is true) was by Diannaa on the 13th, but you continued doing exactly the same afterwards. And when I noted all the above problems here, you didn't try to help fix them in any way, you started a bunch of GA reviews instead. When you have been told that an article has been completely revdel'ed because of copyright problems, and you feel that the source you want to use for these articles is hard to paraphrase, then don't use that source. If that means you can't create these articles, too bad. By the way, I have also deleted other church articles where you didn't copy from the BLB site but from other ones, with fluent prose. So the problem is not caused by this one source. Fram (talk) 16:22, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- Fram you warned him about this earlier today. Has it not occurred to you that Jaguar might have aimed to tackle this this evening? Have some patience.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:30, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- I didn't do anything straight away because I thought you revoked my autopatrolled as a supposed punishment, and I thought that was that. Had I known a week block was around the corner I wouldn't have gone about my business improving other aspects of the encyclopaedia. British Listed Buildings has its flaws in presentation, but it is essential for all listed buildings. I'm still open to fixing them. This isn't the first time you've been quick on the trigger finger here. JAGUAR 16:32, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- You are more than welcome to fix them once your block is over. Revoking your autopatrolled isn't punishment, it is a necessary step because it is clear that too many of your articles need more scrutiny. I didn't know a block was around the corner at that time, since I didn't know you had been warned about the exact same problem less than a week ago. On the contrary, on the 15th you straight-faced proclaimed "I've demonstrated that I've created over 25 quality articles in the past year (around 150 post-2012) and nobody has ever had a problem with them since."[7] (emphasis mine), when only two days before another admin had rev-deled a page for copyvio concerns and told you about it here. I notice that Dr. Blofeld encouraged the granting of the autopatrolled there, and is here again encouraging you. I seem to remember that at the time some 8,000 of your articles had to be deleted, he was also one not really seeing the problem and urging us not to delete them (just like when 2,000 of his articles had to be deleted). Perhaps you should ignore the "help" you get from Dr. Blofeld, as it doesn't seem to do you much good. Fram (talk) 16:40, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- Actually Dr. Blofeld is my best friend here on Wikipedia, and I wouldn't be here today without him. Four years on and I still disagree with that mass-deletion, if I recall correctly preparations were made to try and save those articles, but more to the problem is that a trigger happy admin deleted them before they could have been saved. Sounds familiar. I do make mistakes, but we all make mistakes as we're only human. I don't like repeating mistakes, and I will look at this incident as a learning curve. More to the point, I won't be touching Welsh churches with a ten foot pole. JAGUAR 16:44, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- Fram's superior judgement of articles can be viewed at Flat Bastion Road folks.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:52, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- Actually Dr. Blofeld is my best friend here on Wikipedia, and I wouldn't be here today without him. Four years on and I still disagree with that mass-deletion, if I recall correctly preparations were made to try and save those articles, but more to the problem is that a trigger happy admin deleted them before they could have been saved. Sounds familiar. I do make mistakes, but we all make mistakes as we're only human. I don't like repeating mistakes, and I will look at this incident as a learning curve. More to the point, I won't be touching Welsh churches with a ten foot pole. JAGUAR 16:44, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- You are more than welcome to fix them once your block is over. Revoking your autopatrolled isn't punishment, it is a necessary step because it is clear that too many of your articles need more scrutiny. I didn't know a block was around the corner at that time, since I didn't know you had been warned about the exact same problem less than a week ago. On the contrary, on the 15th you straight-faced proclaimed "I've demonstrated that I've created over 25 quality articles in the past year (around 150 post-2012) and nobody has ever had a problem with them since."[7] (emphasis mine), when only two days before another admin had rev-deled a page for copyvio concerns and told you about it here. I notice that Dr. Blofeld encouraged the granting of the autopatrolled there, and is here again encouraging you. I seem to remember that at the time some 8,000 of your articles had to be deleted, he was also one not really seeing the problem and urging us not to delete them (just like when 2,000 of his articles had to be deleted). Perhaps you should ignore the "help" you get from Dr. Blofeld, as it doesn't seem to do you much good. Fram (talk) 16:40, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- No, this is the second time you were told about copyvios, the first time (assuming that much is true) was by Diannaa on the 13th, but you continued doing exactly the same afterwards. And when I noted all the above problems here, you didn't try to help fix them in any way, you started a bunch of GA reviews instead. When you have been told that an article has been completely revdel'ed because of copyright problems, and you feel that the source you want to use for these articles is hard to paraphrase, then don't use that source. If that means you can't create these articles, too bad. By the way, I have also deleted other church articles where you didn't copy from the BLB site but from other ones, with fluent prose. So the problem is not caused by this one source. Fram (talk) 16:22, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
Compatible licence?
I notice the first 5 texts above are, unless I'm much mistaken, released under the Open Government Licence, which is compatible (is it a port?) with CC-BY, which is compatible with Wikipedia. Was this taken into account? Adam9007 (talk) 16:03, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- You are not allowed to copy any text, even public domain ones, as if it is your own, on Wikipedia. Either you write your in your own words, or you quote, but then it has to be clearly indicated as a quote. Fram (talk) 16:17, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- So, it was plagarism, but not necessarily copyvio. If attribution was all that was required, it probably should have been added instead. Then it would have been neither. Adam9007 (talk) 16:22, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- I have also deleted articles where he had copied from [8] and [9], and the original rev-del'ed copyvio was from [10]. The problem is not restricted to that one site, contrary to what Jaguar seems to claim. Fram (talk) 16:24, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- I think part of the problem here was not that they were quickly created but that the listed buildings texts on various sites tend to be written in gobbledygook. I just restarted two and found very little content which made much sense to a normal reader. Extracting enough decent material and making the new entries minimum 0.75 kb prose isn't easy. I think that was the problem, more that Jaguar had to find enough text to comply with the prose minimum requirement and wasn't effective enough in dialling down the gobbledygook and finding enough material. It's easily done, but blocking him over this is utterless pointless and borderline malicious to say the least.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:28, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- @Fram: This page seems to suggest that you can copy text from open sources? - It is acceptable to copy text from public domain sources or those that are explicitly licensed under a compatible licensing scheme. (In case of the latter, attribution of the original author may be required: see Wikipedia:Plagiarism.) Either way, i dont think things are as clear cut as you are making out. Also, i completely agree that we need to work WITH editors who are struggling with the ground rules, not ban them. Lets make beginner editors feel welcome, not ostracise them.Jason.nlw (talk) 16:49, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- Jaguar is not a beginner editor by far though... Fram (talk) 18:01, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- @Fram: This page seems to suggest that you can copy text from open sources? - It is acceptable to copy text from public domain sources or those that are explicitly licensed under a compatible licensing scheme. (In case of the latter, attribution of the original author may be required: see Wikipedia:Plagiarism.) Either way, i dont think things are as clear cut as you are making out. Also, i completely agree that we need to work WITH editors who are struggling with the ground rules, not ban them. Lets make beginner editors feel welcome, not ostracise them.Jason.nlw (talk) 16:49, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- I think part of the problem here was not that they were quickly created but that the listed buildings texts on various sites tend to be written in gobbledygook. I just restarted two and found very little content which made much sense to a normal reader. Extracting enough decent material and making the new entries minimum 0.75 kb prose isn't easy. I think that was the problem, more that Jaguar had to find enough text to comply with the prose minimum requirement and wasn't effective enough in dialling down the gobbledygook and finding enough material. It's easily done, but blocking him over this is utterless pointless and borderline malicious to say the least.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:28, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- I have also deleted articles where he had copied from [8] and [9], and the original rev-del'ed copyvio was from [10]. The problem is not restricted to that one site, contrary to what Jaguar seems to claim. Fram (talk) 16:24, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- So, it was plagarism, but not necessarily copyvio. If attribution was all that was required, it probably should have been added instead. Then it would have been neither. Adam9007 (talk) 16:22, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
Solution
Fram, Diannaa's warning was a passing mention, not a threat to block, nor indeed a strong warning. What's more, I see that he was given autopatrolled just 2 day later, so Widr also must have felt that message was no big deal. Given that blocks are preventative and I think Jaguar is now quite aware that he can be blocked for copyright violations, can I suggest that we unblock him under the condition that he does not create any further articles before those ones are fixed, and with the knowledge that any further copyright violations will lead to blocks. I agree that copyright violations are a serious issue, but I also believe that this particular block is draconian. WormTT(talk) 16:57, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- I doubt that Widr even saw the message, probably trusting Jaguar when he claimed that "nobody has ever had a problem with [his articles] since" 2012 (I noted this above as well). He can fix the articles after his block has expired (he could have started before he was blocked as well, but choose to embark on a string of GA reviews instead). Nothing draconian about a one-week block for multiple copyright violations created the week after another article from the same bunch was rev-deled for copyvios (by a quite experienced editor, not some newbie), by an editor who was quite creative with his history when asking for autopatrolled that same week, and who was more concerned about his autopatrolled status than about the problems he caused (copyvio and fact errors). Fram (talk) 17:58, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- The warning was written as a request. It certainly wasn't clear that blocks would be forthcoming. As I mentioned, blocks should be preventative - I personally have no belief that Jaguar will repeat the error - he appears to have learned his lesson from the statements above, and if he does, blocks are cheap - he can be quickly reblocked as he's had a full and fair warning. I'm not seeing the benefit of this block and were Jaguar to request unblocking through normal means agreeing to the conditions I've stated (that he fix the articles and commit to not creating future copyright violations), I'd struggle to see a reason to keep him blocked. WormTT(talk) 18:31, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- Considering the incorrect statements he has made recently to further his causes, I see no reason to take anything he states to get unblocked into account here. Fram (talk) 19:18, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- I agree with Worm. This has gotten out of hand now. I told you time and again that I'll help rectify the articles if I'm unblocked, or I suggested you even delete them. But by doing nothing the situation is escalating. JAGUAR 19:28, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- Nothing is escalating. You were blocked, you still are blocked for the same length. A number of pages have been deleted, perhaps some more need deletion as well, the remaining ones need correcting. This can be done after your block has expired. Fram (talk) 19:33, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- I agree with Worm. This has gotten out of hand now. I told you time and again that I'll help rectify the articles if I'm unblocked, or I suggested you even delete them. But by doing nothing the situation is escalating. JAGUAR 19:28, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- Considering the incorrect statements he has made recently to further his causes, I see no reason to take anything he states to get unblocked into account here. Fram (talk) 19:18, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- The warning was written as a request. It certainly wasn't clear that blocks would be forthcoming. As I mentioned, blocks should be preventative - I personally have no belief that Jaguar will repeat the error - he appears to have learned his lesson from the statements above, and if he does, blocks are cheap - he can be quickly reblocked as he's had a full and fair warning. I'm not seeing the benefit of this block and were Jaguar to request unblocking through normal means agreeing to the conditions I've stated (that he fix the articles and commit to not creating future copyright violations), I'd struggle to see a reason to keep him blocked. WormTT(talk) 18:31, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
Copyvios: How to not to
How to copyvio
- Open a notepad program.
- Copy paste the text into it.
- Modify the text, trying to be sure the final result is way different.
How to not copyvio
- Open a notepad program.
- Make a long line of =================.
- Copy paste the text below it.
- Write from scatch above it.
Works a treat. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 18:12, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you Anna! I've never thought it that way. I did it through modifying the the text. The "thanks" feature doesn't work when you're blocked. JAGUAR 19:26, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- On top of that, if you get some time, have a read of User:WormTT/Adopt/Copyright - you're welcome to take the test if you're interested. It deals with image copyright primarily, but does explain how the principles are linked. Another useful link to keep in mind is the copyvio detector - do your best to keep it as low as possible. WormTT(talk) 11:39, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you! I admit I don't know a lot about copyright in text as I've only dealt with them in uploading images on here. I'll read through it now. JAGUAR 11:47, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
- On top of that, if you get some time, have a read of User:WormTT/Adopt/Copyright - you're welcome to take the test if you're interested. It deals with image copyright primarily, but does explain how the principles are linked. Another useful link to keep in mind is the copyvio detector - do your best to keep it as low as possible. WormTT(talk) 11:39, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
Unblock request
Jaguar (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
I strongly disagree with this block as a whole. I said I respected Fram and his level-minded judgement but now I'm losing that respect because this has gone too far. I don't want to repeat everything I've said on my talk page, but I fail to see how what I've done is a blockable offence, let alone for a week. FYI, this isn't the first time Fram has been quick on the trigger finger. He blocked me in February for AWB errors, fair enough, I made mistakes. But had he just that I was making errors in attempt to fix things instead of abruptly blocking me, then I could have fixed those mistakes within the same day instead of having to sit out a pointless block. This same thing is happening right now: I've told him time and again today that I am willing to fix the copyvio issues I made in the church articles but he's refused,[11] and also shunned Dr. Blofeld when he asked the same thing.[12] I think he's acted irrationally with this seven day block. I've been nothing but pleasant and patient today, and it angers me why he's not considering anything. I thought losing Autopatrolled was a reason enough. Similar to what happened in February, I get blocked without warning, but this time I'm seeing this as borderline malicious. Had Fram said something like "Hello Jaguar, I've picked up a few copyvio mistakes in your recent articles. Please can you sort them out? I'm afraid I'll have to revoke your Autopatrolled or block your account temporarily if you do not" I would have done it immediately. He thinks Diannaa gave me a warning on the 13th, but it was just a passing message. I never got properly alerted until he left a message on my talk page this morning, and then a few hours later when I was editing in another area I got a block message, same as last time. What's the point in this block? If I get unblocked, I'll sort the articles out, or they can be deleted. But neither has happened. Dr. Blofeld has already made attempts to fix the articles, and I want to help him. JAGUAR 20:19, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
Decline reason:
You have been around for years. You should have learned somewhere along the line that copyright violations are not acceptable (and that's not just some arcane guideline on Wikipedia, it's the law). Diannaa gave you the friendly reminder you are now saying Fram should have given you, explicitly telling you that content must be written in your own words. You saw that, replied - and ignored it, creating further copyright violations. It seems difficult to find just the right level of warning to make you understand that there's a problem with your conduct, enough so to have you actually change your conduct. If this block not only stops you from ignoring friendly talk page reminders but gets you to re-consider your approach, it's anything but pointless. I suggest you use the time to review WP:Close paraphrasing. Huon (talk) 00:15, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
It's still a pointy block Huon, and wreaks of sanctimonious adminship. When was the last time you or Fram attempted to actually write content for wikipedia? It's no surprise that people get frightened away from editing wikipedia. Yes, Jaguar shold have known not to paraphrase but what's done is done, and rather than let him sort it out and improve those articles you've blocked him. If you were here to build an encyclopedia instead of playing the policeman judging others you'd have given Jaguar a chance to make amends. This solves nothing. I had to spend quite a bit of time last night fixing this. I shouldn't have had to. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 06:30, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
- Dr. Blofeld couldn't have said it any better. How is this block going to "teach me a lesson"? That's got to be the favourite line of any admin on wikipedia. Everybody seems to think that a block is a "time-out" where you're meant to sit in a corner and learn from your mistakes. All this block is doing is stressing me out. This is the only time in my career that I've been warned about copyvios and I said I wouldn't do it again. He blocked me a day after I created those articles; a day after the contest ended, a day after I stopped making Anglesey churches! The 'respect' I had for Fram is now well and gone. Diannaa's "passing message" was left after she rev deleted one of the articles from her alternate account, Ninja Diannaa. It looked automated, because looking from her contributions she was going through other articles that had copyvios in them - from newbies, ie. people without Autopatrolled. That incident (and a patronising message left from another user) prompted me to get Autopatrolled back so I wouldn't have to be patronised like a newbie. I figure that Fram must have saw that I got the right back on his watchlist, investigated, and left me a message saying that he picked up copyvios in the articles. I was grateful that he took the time to do it, and I thought that him revoking my Autopatrolled was the punishment. So I moved on. Then would you have it, a seven day block, out of nowhere. I made a sloppy job with the church articles, and I've told you time and again that I want to fix them. But for my good faith to be refused is a bit of an insult. JAGUAR 10:38, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Jaguar. I just wanted to let you know how I came across the copyright violation on St Cybi's Church: the edit was detected by a bot and appeared on the bot report User:EranBot/Copyright/rc/27. This is a new bot that is still in the process of development. What this bot is doing is checking all additions over a certain size and running them through a copyright violation detector. It's checking edits by all users, not just those without autopatrolled (or any other set of rights). The reason I used my alt account is because I was working on the bot report here at the library during some idle time at work. When I got home I logged in to my admin account to do the actual revision deletion. Ninja Diannaa (Talk) 16:05, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Diannaa, thank you for the explanation. It's interesting to know that those without autopatrolled are also included in the list. It did prompt me to request for it again, but I know that it isn't a big issue. JAGUAR 21:58, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Jaguar. I just wanted to let you know how I came across the copyright violation on St Cybi's Church: the edit was detected by a bot and appeared on the bot report User:EranBot/Copyright/rc/27. This is a new bot that is still in the process of development. What this bot is doing is checking all additions over a certain size and running them through a copyright violation detector. It's checking edits by all users, not just those without autopatrolled (or any other set of rights). The reason I used my alt account is because I was working on the bot report here at the library during some idle time at work. When I got home I logged in to my admin account to do the actual revision deletion. Ninja Diannaa (Talk) 16:05, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
Jaguar (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
After looking through this again, I understand that I should not have created the articles so quickly, which led to copyright violations. I'll do my best to follow Anna's guidance, and I'll make sure that I won't create further articles with copyright violations. I also agree to Worm's suggestion that I will not create any articles until I've helped fix my previous mistakes. If I get unblocked, the first thing I will do is correct the mistakes in the Anglesey church articles as well as improving its overall content. I now realise that paraphrasing from British Listed Buildings was a mistake given its style of prose, and I will improve this by using Anna's suggestion of writing from scratch rather than paraphrasing. JAGUAR 11:13, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
Accept reason:
Since Jaguar is agreeing to my suggested unblock conditions, I think it would be fair for me to review it. It's clear that Jaguar understands his mistake, and given that I'm not of the opinion that he was sufficiently warned prior to the block (looking through his archives there have been minimal complaints about copyright issues), I'm willing to reduce this block to time served. Jaguar, make sure that further copyright violations do not happen, if you're struggling, I'm happy to take you through my Adoption course for the topic of Copyright. WormTT(talk) 11:17, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
"If I get unblocked, the first thing I will do is correct the mistakes in the Anglesey church articles as well as improving its overall content." Which you did for two of the 15 or so articles, and then you went back to your GA reviews instead, leaving it to e.g. Ham II to correct Holy Trinity Church, Penrhos further[13]. (This was a church you created under a wrong name, title was church X but contents were church Y). It's good to see how serious you take your unblock conditions. Your reply to Diannaa above is also quite worrying: "It's interesting to know that those without autopatrolled are also included in the list. It did prompt me to request for it again, but I know that it isn't a big issue." So because someone found a serious problem with an article you had created, you asked for autopatrolled? That's the worst reason one can have to ask for such permissions. Fram (talk) 06:50, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
- Which I have done; three were deleted and the rest were blanked by Dr. Blofeld. I've now filled in the blanked sections and rewritten them from scratch, although the sources were lacking in detail for those ones. I already said above that the competition prompted me to get autopatrolled back as I knew I was going to be creating more articles at the time, and I realised that I met the criteria of having over 25 articles in the past year. JAGUAR 14:00, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
Anthony Anderson FA nomination
I have nominated the Anthony Anderson (basketball) article to possibly have it be promoted to a featured article. Could you please leave some comments on areas that you would want to fix so that it meets the FA criteria? If so, add your opinion on the article on the nomination page. TempleM (talk) 00:05, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
Tate
Thanks a lot for the GA review. -- James26 (talk) 22:02, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
GA reviewing
Where did you list Ceredigion? Can't see it in Wikipedia:Good articles/Geography and places♦ Dr. Blofeld 06:49, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
- Crap, I forgot to list Ceredigion. Just added it! JAGUAR 13:56, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
GA articles and importance
Hi Jaguar. Thanks for promoting Gianluigi Buffon and Andrea Pirlo to GA status! One question: How does the importance ratings work? For example, Buffon's article is listed as high importance, but Pirlo's is listed at medium importance. I don't think there should be much difference between the two articles for importance. Do you know how I could go about increasing Pirlo's to high importance? Thanks. Regards, Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 14:03, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Vaselineeeeeeee, an importance criteria is set by a WikiProject, which rates articles based on how important an article is to their project. I'm not well versed in football, but if Buffon is considered a more important article than Pirlo, then that might be set on how notable they are in the footballing industry. You can check out the importance criteria at WP:FOOTBALL, hopefully they should have explained it better than me there. Hope this helps. JAGUAR 14:07, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
Edit notice (Rhodesia)
Howzit Jaguar,
I noticed you were the one responsible for adding the South African English template to Template:Editnotices/Page/Zimbabwe, which I think has really helped maintain the Commonwealth spellings and rules per the relevant style guide. I would like to request you do the same for Zimbabwe's pre-independence article Rhodesia; since for the past three years myself and other frequent editors have had to keep reverting US spellings and suffixes. Following a discussion on the talk page with yet another well-meaning contributor using American spellings, we've generally agreed Rhodesia would also benefit from a similar editnotice like the one on Zimbabwe.
If you could create a new one at Template:Editnotices/Page/Rhodesia and simply paste in {{Template:South African English}} it would be much appreciated and help free us up from having to constantly address this issue instead of focusing on the content. Thanks! --Katangais (talk) 14:40, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
- Done! I understand how annoying it must be to keep on reverting different spelling variations, but I suppose that it's a mistake easily made. I have to keep reverting people changing "instalment" to "installment", as that's a Commonwealth spelling a lot of people aren't aware of. Anyway, thanks for bringing this up with me. JAGUAR 14:45, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
Another GA nominee
I just completed another basketball-related article, which you can view at 2015 NBL Canada Finals brawl. This is a controversial topic, so I was wondering if I made any errors or if there seems to be any bias towards a certain team. Could you please check it out and perhaps review it against the good article criteria? TempleM (talk) 22:12, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
- Taken. Looks interesting and well-written. Who doesn't love controversy? I should start a proper read-through tomorrow. JAGUAR 22:15, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
Cleanup
Hey, I just came across your requested deletion of User:Jaguar/Templates/Navigation. I've deleted it for you, as you can see, but I see that User:UKJaguar/Navigation template and User:Jaguar/Navigation template both redirect to the now-deleted page; just wanted to throw that out there in case you wanted to change their redirect or delete them, too. If deletion is what you want, feel free to tag 'em or just let me know and I'll delete 'em; I'm copacetic. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 23:34, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Writ Keeper, thanks for letting me know! I didn't know about those redirects. They must be really old. I've nominated them for deletion, but if you could delete them that would be great. JAGUAR 10:46, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
Edit
Hi, Jaguar. Thanks so much for taking time and proofreading and editing my article on Alexio Kawara! --L7starlight (talk) 11:19, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
- You're welcome! JAGUAR 11:30, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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The Brilliant Idea Barnstar |
| For your outstanding review on "Dear Future Husband" and so much more!! You are a great editor on here.. :D MaranoFan (talk) 15:30, 22 April 2016 (UTC) |
- Thanks! That means a lot. JAGUAR 15:37, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
Years in British Overseas Territories post-1980
There is some overlap at present, but it appears that post-1980 (???) individual years in Category:Years in British Overseas Territories should replace Category:Years in the British Empire. At present it goes to Category:1999 in the British Empire, The earliest year category in British Overseas Territories is Category:1967 in British Overseas Territories. What do you think? Hugo999 (talk) 01:48, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks for bringing this up, I think this is a good idea. I think the British Empire truly expired in 1997, but anything post-1980 would be more accurate. Perhaps we should try starting from Category 1984 in British Overseas Territories? JAGUAR 11:08, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
AWB access
I have just removed your AWB access. I had warned you before not to do any edits that do not change the displayed page, and you did it again. As you don't seem to be doing anything particularly urgent or important with AWB (typo fixes to pages about to be speedily deleted, while not prohibited, are not useful), it seems to me you should be able to edit well without it. I suggest you stick to your strengths and do some slow editing instead of using automation to do lots of edits. Happy editing, —Kusma (t·c) 16:14, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
- Kusma that was an accident. I made ten edits to Hong Kong pages yesterday because I left that setup as my default settings, when I realised that I was going through them I quickly stopped the process and resumed correcting typos, which I do daily. It was an accident. I knew your warning and I haven't made any useless edits since, but I'm telling you that those ten edits were an accident as I had those pages set up in default. JAGUAR 16:25, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
I took a screenshot of my default AWB settings. That's what my AWB looks like when I start it up everyday. I left a list of Hong Kong talk pages in the list as my default settings on the same day you warned me for making edits to the Chinese talk pages. I never changed the default settings since, and I would manually clear the list (control + A) and start fixing typos on New Pages. Yesterday, I forgot to clear the list and thus edited ten or so Hong Kong talk pages (you can look through my contribs, Talk:1937–38 Hong Kong First Division League etc appear in this screenshot) by a complete accident. It was an accident, and I hope that proves it. I've cleared my default settings now. JAGUAR 16:44, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
- I know you mean well, but you really need to be more careful. Confirming ten such edits in a row without noticing isn't being careful. Letting AWB run without checking manually is not being careful. (If you are "fixing typos", it is downright dangerous, as you need to check whether a "typo" is a correct spelling in a foreign language before saving). You are too prone to "accidents" when you edit quickly or mass-create pages, so it is probably better if you work more slowly. Quality is more important than quantity of edits. —Kusma (t·c) 18:44, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
- I know I wasn't careful, and I did make a mistake. Can I request for AWB again when I need it? I won't do it now, but I got a feeling I might need it again for the foreseeable future. I know people have their rights revoked when they vandalise, but not for making minor mistakes like this. It doesn't seem right to me, but I can cope without it. JAGUAR 21:43, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
- I took your AWB access away for repeatedly making small mistakes that you were warned about multiple times. Of course you are free to re-request AWB access in the future. I would like to see some time pass without major mistakes (like the copyvio / wrong source problems related to your block) and a demonstrated need for AWB before I would consider re-granting access, though. —Kusma (t·c) 05:56, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you, that's reassuring. I'll request it again when some time passes, and when I ever need it again! JAGUAR 10:49, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
- I took your AWB access away for repeatedly making small mistakes that you were warned about multiple times. Of course you are free to re-request AWB access in the future. I would like to see some time pass without major mistakes (like the copyvio / wrong source problems related to your block) and a demonstrated need for AWB before I would consider re-granting access, though. —Kusma (t·c) 05:56, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
- I know I wasn't careful, and I did make a mistake. Can I request for AWB again when I need it? I won't do it now, but I got a feeling I might need it again for the foreseeable future. I know people have their rights revoked when they vandalise, but not for making minor mistakes like this. It doesn't seem right to me, but I can cope without it. JAGUAR 21:43, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
Emma Stone
Hi Jaguar! Almost 20 days ago you reviewed this redhead's article for GA. It is now at FAC, should you choose to leave further comments. Cheers, FrB.TG (talk) 08:00, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
- 20 days already? Sure, I can make time for that. JAGUAR 18:31, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
Third place
Now an Amazon voucher prize for third place. Your £20 for GA reviews guaranteed. Naturally I expect you to produce 600 short stubs on the weekend to get third place, just to piss off Fram. Can you manage that? ;-) 600 new stubs on Anglesey churches or Welsh comic book artists or something haha. Relax Fram, articles need to be 1.5 kb starts for the finale and more points are given to destubbing and expansions.. And I'd say it nigh impossible now for Jaguar to ever comfortably finish third, over 3000 points behind..♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:20, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks Dr. Blofeld! Alright, since I'm going to ace this competition, I should be able to mass-produce a short amount of 1000 stubs on Anglesey churches. To speed up the process, I will be doing no paraphrasing and will be instead using full-on copy and pasting from British Listed Buildings. Awaken the 2012 Jaguar Dragon! JAGUAR 18:33, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
Hi Jaguar. Great job at the dragon edit-a-thon and i wish you good luck for that. I hate working on BLPs and i think i said this to you before. But, thanks to the stress caused by Eega and Siva (particularly because of many contradictions it is posing), i was rather forced to look on something quite unrelated from the two. What began as a regular cleanup ended up as a potential FL candidate. I am not sure how this would end up, but i feel that the three paragraphs of the lead, if c/ed by you, would be benefited. You accepting or declining this request is surely welcomed with a smile from me. If you intend to do so, i am leaving the under construction tag there. Let me know what you think. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 15:54, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Pavan, it looks good so far. I'll give the lead a copyedit now and should finish it by tonight. When I find things too stressful, I try editing in different areas too. I'll let you know when I'm finished. JAGUAR 16:55, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks Jaguar. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 16:58, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks Jaguar.
Jaguar, please see my note on the review page: the article has serious prose and WP:LEAD issues, and I believe it was listed prematurely. I hope you will consider reopening the review so they can be addressed. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:23, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
- I'll take another look at it. JAGUAR 11:04, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
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