User talk:JFShea

October 2010

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to Joseph Francis Shea, did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. The reverted edit can be found here. Thank you. — Gfoley 4 Wanna chat? 03:43, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not add commentary or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles, as you did to Joseph Francis Shea. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. Thank you. RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 04:08, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Shea

Although you're free to edit the article, as the above message says, please refrain from putting personal thoughts or statements into the article space. You can say such things on the article's talk page (click the article's discussion tab at the top). Just try to keep it on how to improve the article. Of course, you can fix problems yourself, but please use an edit summary to explain what you're doing and why in each edit. If you need any help with anything, let me know. Swarm^Talk 04:25, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Advice

Hello. I see that you have taken issue with an article and also might be related to the subject of an article. We take this sort of responsibility very seriously. If there are factual errors with the article, you currently have the following options:

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NW (Talk) 04:30, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Inaccuracies

So the article has inaccuracies, I understand this can be very frustrating if you're not familiar with Wikipedia's common practices. I recommend you correct or rewrite content, rather than removing it. Only remove content if you have a very good reason to. Use edit summaries (the little box under the main text box in edit mode) to explain the edits. Post problems on the talk page. You can also list specific issues on my talk page and I'll personally help you as best as I can. However, we can't assist unless there are specific problems that need to be fixed. Regards, Swarm^Talk 04:47, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think that the article talk page is the best place to deal with inaccuracies in it. I started a section at Talk:Joseph_Francis_Shea#JFShea's comments to give a place for the comments that you made in the article that were since removed. I also added Template:Unbalanced to the article to note the concerns you've raised about it. (Those templates are one of very few ways in which people sneak commentary into the article page; I usually don't approve of them, but since you're new and may take a while to gather agreement on article-related issues, it seems appropriate here)

I know that some of the sections that you initially deleted must be disturbing to you, but in order to make progress, you'll need to pick out specific facts that are wrong and rebut them with some sort of evidence. (You don't need to do that if the sources currently cited don't actually say those things in the first place, or present them only as speculation, but in theory an article of this type shouldn't have been written that carelessly)

Anyway, welcome to Wikipedia. I know that some of the procedures here take some time to learn, and the give and take between editors can be fairly rough, but if you cite verifiable sources and don't give in to frustration you should get your point across in time. Wnt (talk) 08:52, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]