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Barbie shows

I've been undoing some of your miscapitalization tags like this one since the title has an embedded title that seems like it needs to start with a capital letter, even if it start with "The" or "A". Most sources cap these in that context. Dicklyon (talk) 03:35, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

@Dicklyon: Could you please clarify? What do you mean by "embedded title"? Words like a and the are always uncapitalized in titles of works, unless if it's the first word of the title, the last word of the title, or after a colon or en dash. See MOS:TITLECAPS. There are no exceptions unless special consensus is obtained through discussion (for example, with the Star Trek Into Darkness incident). InfiniteNexus (talk) 23:26, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

See this image where "A Pony Tale" is clearly an embedded title (they're not all that clear, but I think treating the pattern as embedded titles makes the most sense). Embedded titles are discussed briefly at MOS:THETITLE. Dicklyon (talk) 00:28, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

I believe that's not correct. The "embedded title" MOS:THETITLE talks about is referring to titles of works "embedded" in another title of a work. It gives the example of An Examination of The Americans, in which case The Americans is a TV show being quoted by the chapter title. & Her Sisters in a Pony Tail is a subtitle, which follows the rules of WP:TITLECAPS. InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:40, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Could be. Maybe we need a new discussion at WT:MOSCAPS. Dicklyon (talk) 03:13, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

I don't think that would be necessary, this is a pretty straightforward case of TITLECAPS. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:33, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Never mind, I see you've already started a thread. No matter, I'll add my comments there. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:35, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Also, I see you're an AWB user. I was doing a lot of JWB, but recently had that right revoked due to some mistakes. I had been working through Wikipedia:Database reports/Linked miscapitalizations, usually editing the links to miscapitalized redirects, but sometimes just taking our that miscap tag as with the Barbies. There are some pretty easy targets there for someone with AWB (which I'm told is more powerful than JWB in terms of being able to prevent false positives). You interested in taking on some of those? Dicklyon (talk) 03:40, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

I can take a look, but I am pretty busy in real life these days, so I can't guarantee I'll be able to stay on top of this. InfiniteNexus (talk) 23:26, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

No problem, but think of this if you're looking for work at some point. Dicklyon (talk) 00:28, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

WP:PMR concerns

You have often been using suppress-redirect without a valid reason under WP:PMRC. For example, among your last 50 moves, [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8] do not appear to meet any of the criteria for redirect-supression/speedy-deletion. (If you believe any of those did satisfy a CSD, please let me know which.) In the future, please limit your use of suppress-redirect to situations where the redirect would be eligible for speedy deletion. Please also indicate which criterion you are relying on (other than in the case of round-robin swaps) with the use of an appropriate edit summary. (You should really provide a reason whenever you move a page other than, say, a user page.) SilverLocust 💬 08:12, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for raising your concerns with me. The purpose of leaving behind a redirect after a move is to prevent broken links and avoid disruption to users. Before suppressing a redirect, I take great care to ensure neither happens: the redirects suppressed are never former names of an article (i.e. a {{R from move}}), and usually have 0–5 incoming links and insubstantial pageviews. Prior to moving the page, I ensure that all incoming links have been corrected, and that the move itself is uncontroversial or trivial (in other words, housekeeping). Redirects in the draftspace are almost never useful and never used, so it would be WP:COSTLY to keep them. It is important to remember that IAR and BOLD advise us not to blindly stick to the rules to the letter, and it is permissible to use editorial discretion in these scenarios — which are, again, uncontroversial and non-disruptive housekeeping tasks. InfiniteNexus (talk) 21:21, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Well now you know that someone does object to using your advanced permissions to suppress/delete redirects that would not be eligible for a speedy deletion. As to redirects from draftspace, see WP:RDRAFT and the RfC in the footnote. Your view that these are unnecessary is evidently not shared by the community. (I for one find them useful and WP:CHEAP.) I also don't see a need to delete various other redirects like List of Hawkeye (2021 TV series) episodes (where you used two moves to delete the redirect properly left by another pagemover, which did create a broken link at List of Hawkeye episodes). If you are not willing to limit your use of pagemover permissions to within the bounds of WP:PMR/WP:CSD, I would request revocation per WP:PMRR#3. SilverLocust 💬 09:46, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

I was obviously unaware of RDRAFT (and I oppose the non-guideline essay blurb which inaccurately summarizes the cited RfC), but I will keep that and your other concerns in mind when moving a page in the future. However, I will note that most of my draftspace-to-mainspace moves involved drafts fully authored by me, with no other contributors, so the draftspace redirects would have fallen under G7 anyway. As such, I will continue not to retain those redirects (whether through redirect suppression or by manual G7 tagging) so long as CSD allows me to. Thank you. InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:09, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

You're right, of course, about the ones fully authored by you. I didn't consider G7 after noting that they wouldn't be R2's. I've struck out two of the examples. Thanks. SilverLocust 💬 19:52, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:13, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Barbenheimer IP

Hi. It seems to me that you had the intent of reporting an IP here. As you can see, the IP claimed to have an "account", but changed the subject and didn't respond to User:MikeAllen's comment too. I was wondering if you had actually reported them. They are back on Oppenheimer (film) this time. ภץאคгöร 07:43, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

I did not report them, because there was no 3RR violation — their fourth edit was narrowly outside the 24-hour window. I am aware of the dispute on Oppenheimer (film) but have not been following it; if they continue to edit disruptively, I would suggest taking it to ANI. InfiniteNexus (talk) 16:36, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

RfC

Why is a consensus needed for an RfC? _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 18:45, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Because this is not your typical RfC — this change could literally affect millions of editors. InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:57, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Fair point; I understand. I won't contest your closure. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 19:13, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:Downtown West (Google)

Hello, InfiniteNexus. This is a bot-delivered message letting you know that Draft:Downtown West (Google), a page you created, has not been edited in at least 5 months. Drafts that have not been edited for six months may be deleted, so if you wish to retain the page, please edit it again or request that it be moved to your userspace.

If the page has already been deleted, you can request it be undeleted so you can continue working on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 01:01, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Aladdin

Please edit this to be a neutral notification. Otherwise it is WP:CANVASSing. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 15:06, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Which part specifically do you find problematic? It's all factual statements: the proposal directly violates one of our project-wide guidelines, and at least one editor is questioning the legitimacy of said guideline. InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:30, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Ugh, dude, the point of neutral notifications is to be like, this discussion is happening, check it out, full stop. Editors can decide to visit it without any particularly encouraged prompting. Your prejudicial framing violates WP:CANVASS. Just simplify the notice. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 21:49, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

See WP:CANVASS#Campaigning, "Campaigning is an attempt to sway the person reading the message, conveyed through the use of tone, wording, or intent. While this may be appropriate as part of a specific individual discussion, it is inappropriate to canvass with such messages." Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 21:52, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

I still don't find it non-neutral, but ... if you say so. InfiniteNexus (talk) 22:17, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

ET

Just want to alert you that there are three other articles titled E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial, in case you want a different example for that exact wording. Station1 (talk) 01:14, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. It took me a while, but I found a better example. InfiniteNexus (talk) 02:36, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Request

Hello, InfiniteNexus! You've reviewed some of my edit requests for Wheely and possibly other articles, which I appreciate. I was wondering if you might be willing to review a request I've submitted at Talk:Helmy Eltoukhy, which I think is a bit more complicated than what is usually achieved using Template:Edit COI for editor review.

On the Talk page, I've outlined how the Helmy Eltoukhy article essentially covers three topics. I've saved draft entries for Guardant Health and AmirAli Talasaz at Draft:Guardant Health and Draft:AmirAli Talasaz, respectively. You'll notice Guardant Health currently redirects to Helmy Eltoukhy, and AmirAli Talasaz has no article despite having a very similar career trajectory.

I'm seeking editor feedback on the three pages, with the goal of having the two draft pages moved into the main space and Eltoukhy's entry trimmed appropriately. I should note, I am proposing these changes on behalf of Guardant Health, and I've disclosed my conflict of interest on all three Talk pages involved. I'd appreciate any feedback, if you're interested, otherwise I'll consider some WikiProjects to reach out to for help. Thanks! Inkian Jason (talk) 16:55, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

@Inkian Jason: Thank you for reaching out. If you would like to have a draft article published to the mainspace, you'll need to submit it to AfC and have an editor who specializes in reviewing new articles accept or decline it. I see you've already done so with Draft:GroupM, so you're already familiar with the AfC process. You should not attempt to ask specific editors to look at your drafts as a means to bypass the AfC process, which I see you are encountering some problems with. InfiniteNexus (talk) 22:06, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

I am familiar with AfC, but wasn't sure if the three articles being related complicated things. I also wanted to give editors who have worked on Helmy Eltoukhy an opportunity to provide feedback. I'll go the AfC route, starting with the company article and an AfC comment that attempts to summarize what I've posted at Talk:Helmy Eltoukhy. Thanks! Inkian Jason (talk) 15:33, 10 October 2023 (UTC)