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Petraeus scandal

Hi IZAK. My first reaction is that it's an impressive article. I'll take a closer look at it over the next few days and leave you some detailed feedback. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:37, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Category:Judaism terms

Category:Judaism terms, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mike Selinker (talk) 21:59, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXXXI, December 2012

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Re: Ignatz Lichtenstein

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I've made a change or two, and suggested more, to this article, and I wanted some feedback from someone who has been involved in the subject before. I chose you in particular because I addressed the hoax issue I had seen you write about. Thanks!

הסרפד (Hasirpad) [formerly Ratz...bo] 02:16, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXXXII, January 2013

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RfC/U

I thought your recent remarks re children in the class of another editor was inappropriate and reflected badly on you. I hope this feedback is useful. If not, sorry I mentioned it. Regards, --Bob K31416 (talk) 22:16, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

  • Hi Bob, thanks for contacting me. Not sure what your issue is exactly. As far as WP is concerned every editor should edit for himself and not let it be known that he part of any type of group editing, certainly not as the head of a pack of schoolchildren yet, because WP is not a game and because that runs into all sorts of problems and violations as I have indicated. Let me know if you have specific concerns so that I can address them specifically. Thanks, IZAK (talk) 22:41, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
Here is the contribution list of the account you were concerned about.[1] Regards, --Bob K31416 (talk) 02:21, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

BTW, how did this RfC/U come to your attention? Thanks. --Bob K31416 (talk) 15:15, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

FYI, the discussion regarding the children's account has been closed with no action against Danjel or the account.[2] Regards, --Bob K31416 (talk) 01:41, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
However, this is still ongoing: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive784#Short term block proposal: User:Danjel so that Danjel is not out the woods by any means and he needs to cool it. IZAK (talk) 11:08, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
The above ANI case has now been closed. IZAK (talk) 06:07, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

However, new discussions, an "RFC" based on concerns that I had raised (of course I am not getting credit for it), continue at Wikipedia talk:Username policy#RfC on shared accounts for use by minors. IZAK (talk) 06:14, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

No good deed goes unpunished

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/IZAK — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 17:57, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

  • Hi Malik, thanks for informing me of this serious accusations when obviously whoever filed the WP:CHECK "complaint" did not bother informing me. I had responded and stated my response. The case was quickly closed: "16:16, 1 February 2013 Timotheus Canens (talk | contribs) deleted page Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/IZAK (G6: Housekeeping and routine (non-controversial) cleanup)". Thanks again, IZAK (talk) 08:26, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
  • Oddly enough, the user who brought the action against me has had requested that his own user page be deleted and no longer exists, what is that all about? See "07:19, 1 February 2013 JohnCD (talk | contribs) deleted page User:Danjel (U1: User request to delete pages in own userspace)". How odd! What happened to User User:Danjel's user page page ? He still continues to edit although he claims he will now scale back editing on WP. IZAK (talk) 08:30, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

List of recent discussions concerning me where I was not informed

In contravention of the usual and required policies of Wikipedia:Etiquette, Wikipedia:Civility; Wikipedia:Assume good faith, and following my considered outside opinion at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Epeefleche#Outside view by IZAK, here is a list of recent discussions that relate to me where at no point was I ever informed about them by the parties who commenced the discussions, primarily by User Danjel (talk · contribs) backed by User Bob K31416 (talk · contribs). Some of them where quite serious and had I known about them in a timely fashion I would have taken the time and effort to respond:

  1. Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/IZAK (Fortunately I did manage to comment after a user not connected to the compliant brought it to my attention above: #No good deed goes unpunished. The SPI "investigation" ended quickly and was also quickly deleted without any action taken and in effect rendering the spamming of a link to it on other forums that in effect rendered anything to do with that moot.)
  2. Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Epeefleche#IZAK's view.
  3. Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Epeefleche#IZAK's view criticism of children's account.
  4. Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Epeefleche#Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/IZAK.
  5. Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive784#Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/IZAK

Wonders never cease. When commencing a discussion about another user, be it on any talk page and certainly on an official forum, and definitely when making serious allegations against that user, it is not just common decency but almost required to inform the user concerned or even any other interested parties. See for example Category:User warning templates, such as: Template {{ANI-notice}}: "Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you."; or Template {{SPIusernotice}}: "A user has stated concerns that you may be misusing multiple accounts... Please refer to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SPIusernotice for evidence..." and others like this. IZAK (talk) 07:06, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

People who live in glass houses

While User Bob K31416 (talk · contribs) has had things to say about me lately, yet he has:

  1. Been suspected of sockpuppetry WP:SPI himself: User talk:Bob K31416#Sockpuppetry case; Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Bob K31416; Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Bob K31416/Archive.
  2. Been criticized for accusing an established user of being a sockpuppet: User talk:Bob K31416#SlimVirgin that violates WP:AGF and WP:EQ.
  3. Accused an established user applying for adminship of being a sockpuppet User talk:Bob K31416#unsupported allegations in a request for admin; Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/History2007#Oppose in violation of WP:AGF and WP:EQ.
  4. Forgets that Wikipedia is a work in progress: perfection is not required. Constant focus on toughening WP policies, thereby making user contributions more difficult, and thus reducing the ability of new users to join (a constant lament at the present of the WP Foundation) and is takes his causes to Wikipedia founder User Jimbo Wales (talk · contribs) even coming up with an idea for a "WP Commission" that would have the "final veto" on policy (even as he freely edits away constantly in areas of WP:POLICY) that flies in the face of what WP is all about about which he is reminded and that was rejected: User talk:Jimbo Wales/Archive 85#Policy commission, as concluded by User Dr. Blofeld (talk · contribs): "At the end of the day, wikipedia is an encyclopedia. I think we are in danger of thinking of wikipedia politically in terms of policies rather than focusing on what is most important, encyclopedic content. In fact if many on here cut the bureacratic/governor pretense and wrote articles instead the site would be massively better off.. And if much of the time spent discussing policies and wiki politics instead went into actual development planning and how to feasibly greatly improve overall content we would start meeting our real objectives...♦ Dr. Blofeld" [3].
  5. Wikipedia founder User Jimbo Wales (talk · contribs) disagrees with his "off-wiki" obsession: User talk:Jimbo Wales/Archive 125#Consensus and off-wiki canvassing: "I don't think it's a serious issue. I don't like the term 'canvassing', even on-wiki. I think it's more often used by people who want to shut down an open dialogue than people who have a righteous cause for concern. Another word for 'canvassing' is "engaging more people in the discussion" - it's open to all sides. The idea that it's bad to go out and recruit editors when you see a problem in Wikipedia is problematic. That isn't to say that some kinds of approaches to that aren't annoying - they are - but in general, this paranoia about it is not justified.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 15:44, 31 January 2013 (UTC)" [4] and "I don't disagree with it (much) as written, but I think people tend to overstate the likelihood or importance of it, and tend to underestimate how often the real problem is people screaming 'canvassing' to prevent people from seeking outside voices. Many things on Wikipedia would benefit from more participation, more eyeballs, and the bias against recruitment means that decisions are made in obscure corners without relevant people being properly notified. This may suit the interests of a group that has a majority in that little corner, but knows that they are in the extreme minority in the broader community or world. But it doesn't suit the interests of Wikipedia.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 20:19, 31 January 2013 (UTC)" [5].

So much for throwing stones. IZAK (talk) 05:56, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

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WP:POLEMIC

Most of your commentary above, particularly against Bob, is WP:POLEMIC. I suggest that you remove it. ˜danjel [ talk | contribs ] 23:09, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

  • Not at all. I never delete what is on my talk, even if some users come here with the worst allegations, as you can tell from my extensive archives even if it may be unflattering comments or complaints against me. Essentially, you are asking me to violate WP:NOTCENSORED against myself which is utterly absurd. Everything I cite above is an open record and is on the record and can be found by any WP user. Thus, this is just a record on my own talk page of recent events that concern me, and about the various discussions that concerned me that I wasn't even informed about, that I have created a record of for the record. I could have lodged some pretty serious complaints against Bob for not informing me, but I did not wish to engage in WP:BATTLEGROUND that you seem to delight in. Stop it! In addition to that, in the course of researching the above lack of basic WP:WIKIQUETTE of informing a user about a discussion that concerns him (me) I also put forth for the record some serious instances where Bob's arguments trying to find support for his WP:POV are rejected by some pretty serious editors including Jimbo Wales. Take care, IZAK (talk) 02:38, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
  • P.S. By the way, make up your mind if you either are or are not "retired" on WP, in other words is the message on user page at User:Danjel true or false? IZAK (talk)

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  • Hi there, I am sorry that I was not able to respond and participate during this time, but as it so happens to be that a series of Jewish holidays and related days occurred during this time: The Fast of Esther on Thursday February 21, 2013; Shabbat on Friday evening February 22, 2013 and Saturday February 23, 2013 that continued Saturday night with Purim through Sunday February 24, 2013; followed by Shushan Purim on Monday February 25, 2013. At the present time comprehensive preparations for the forthcoming Passover holiday, March 25, 2013 - April 2, 2013, are under way, seriously limiting my time and ability to be as fully involved and respond accordingly. Thank you for your understanding, and as the closing admin in this ANI discussion has indicated, and by which I think we should all abide: "All parties involved here are strongly advised to drop the stick. If you can't stand each other, ignore each other. Now let's all get back to improving the encyclopedia. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:42, 28 February 2013 (UTC)" Amen! Thank you! IZAK (talk) 02:32, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXXXIII, February 2013

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  • Hi there, I am sorry that I was not able to respond and participate during this time, but as it so happens to be that a series of Jewish holidays and related days occurred during this time: The Fast of Esther on Thursday February 21, 2013; Shabbat on Friday evening February 22, 2013 and Saturday February 23, 2013 that continued Saturday night with Purim through Sunday February 24, 2013; followed by Shushan Purim on Monday February 25, 2013. At the present time comprehensive preparations for the forthcoming Passover holiday, March 25, 2013 - April 2, 2013, are under way, seriously limiting my time and ability to be as fully involved and respond accordingly. Thank you for your understanding, and as the closing admin in this ANI discussion has indicated, and by which I think we should all abide: "All parties involved here are strongly advised to drop the stick. If you can't stand each other, ignore each other. Now let's all get back to improving the encyclopedia. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:42, 28 February 2013 (UTC)" Amen! Thank you! IZAK (talk) 02:33, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Recent discussion on Elazar Shach page

Hi,

Your input would be appreciated here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elazar_Shach#Works

Yonoson3 (talk) 02:24, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Elazar Shach

Hello IZAK. I removed a recent comment of yours because it included unsubstantiated accusations that editors were meatpuppets. Please do not engage in personal attacks. Comment on content, not on contributors.

According to our policy, WP:MEAT, "The term meatpuppet is derogatory and should be used with care, in keeping with Wikipedia's civility policy. ... [I]t may be counterproductive to directly accuse someone of being a 'meatpuppet', and doing so will often only inflame the dispute."

Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 07:30, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

  • Hi Malik: Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I have now revised the comment to exclude the reference to "meatpuppets" and to more accurately note the problems with (a) ongoing multiple anonymous IP commenters who flit in and out making attacks at random without having one constant user or talk page where they can be contacted, and (b) editors getting involved multiple times in heated discussions while making serious comments and allegations without signing with their user names, and (c) flurries of "new" users appearing out of the blue making comments that all sound the same and then melting away, something that has been bedeviling that article and its talk page for years and a weakness that is being utilized against the one user who is trying to improve that article. Thanks for taking note of these important nuances. It is a subtle and not so subtle ongoing war on nerves in defiance of WP:NOTBATTLEGROUND all because Shach called the last Lubavitcher Rebbe a "false messiah" -- for which they will never forgive or forget -- and that constantly drives the pro-Chabad editors nuts, as they keep flogging a dead horse and as you can well see for yourself. Sincerely, IZAK (talk) 09:19, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXXXIV, March 2013

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Pesach Sheni

Thank you for the improvements. Just one question: Why did you think it was relevant to link to all those other days, especially the Purim ones? StevenJ81 (talk) 15:00, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

  • Hi StevenJ81 and thank you for contacting me. The reason I added all the "See alsos" is because they are all days that are not "the real Yom Tov" but that nevertheless are attached and exist and are connected to the "originals" and are also observed by those who it effects and concerns. It's basically the concept of "extending a Yom Tov" beyond its normal and required time-frame. I hope this explains it. Thanks again, IZAK (talk)

Counting of the Omer

You did a great job expanding this article. I understand you want me to look at it now because it is timely, but I have to finish some other things first and don't know if I'll get to it soon.

Did you happen to see the TFD discussion that was just closed at Template:Infobox yeshiva? All the Infobox:Yeshiva 's have been turned into Infobox:School. Something really needs to be done, policy-wise, about categorizing yeshivas and improving their notability issues. Best, Yoninah (talk) 13:50, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

  • Hi Yoninah and thanks for getting back to me. Thanks also for letting me know about the TFD. Unfortunately I was not aware of it because no notification about it was placed at WP:TALKJUDAISM or at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Judaism. Please eep me posted if anything like that comes up again. Thanks and take care, 07:40, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Sim Shalom Synagogue

Hi, I think our edits overlapped. You overrode my reference formatting and a new reference that I put in. Best, Yoninah (talk) 09:23, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello IZAK. I'm not butchering the article, I was just removing text that is not actually about the subject (i.e. the section about e-learning). If you add referenced text about the synagogue itself (rather than concepts around it), I would certainly not delete it. Cheers, Number 57 10:05, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

  • Ok, then, let me do some more research then. Please be patient. IZAK (talk) 10:13, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
    • I'm very, very concerned by the stuff you're adding. Press Releases should not be used. And I don't really know how to emphasis how inappropriate the sentence "Blane has posted an extensive collection of highly professional videos online on YouTube" is. You are turning into more of an advert than the paid editor. Number 57 10:35, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
      • We can discuss it. He is not writing it I assure and I have no contact with him. I only learned of this subject when you nominated it. But it is important. The question is how to bring that out. The YouTube collection is real. Do we ignore it. It is a statement of what's out there, not of approval. Nothing is set in stone. What I have now seen is that there is also a twin article Jewish Spiritual Leaders Institute and I think they should all be merged under one group heading. Blane, his synagogue and the rabbis seminary, it seems it is all one subject. IZAK (talk) 10:40, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
        • Unless the Youtube collection has been referred to by an independent third party source, then it should not be in there. You are an experienced Wikipedia editor - how could you possibly think that "highly professional videos" is an appropriate use of language? I'm honestly quite shocked and disappointed. Please can you remove that sentence and the paragraph about the press release, otherwise I'm going to have to tag the article as an advert. Number 57 10:43, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

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notify about a TFD

Let me know if/when you open a TFD or other proceeding about Template:Infobox yeshiva. I expect i would support its restoration. I happen to have just barely noticed another deletion nomination by the same nominator, about a template that I think is needed and that should not be lightly eliminated with very little notice. --doncram 19:27, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sim Shalom Synagogue

I created the page Steven Blane (rabbi) and changed my !vote to Redirect per your suggestion. I suggest you do the same. Best, Yoninah (talk) 09:03, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

  • Thank you Yoninah for letting me know and for also going out of your way to do this job, I have changed my vote to Merge and Redirect as it enhances the topic by making it more cohesive and avoiding the obvious WP:CONTENTFORKING of the three related articles essentially revolving about this one biography. Sincerely, and thanks again, IZAK (talk) 18:12, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Hi Yoninah: There is no hard and fast rule in such situations, therefore it's your call, you can justifiably go with WP:BEBOLD and make the merge for the obvious reasons I have cited, or you can take the slower route of a formal vote. I would say make the merge on your own and I will fully back you on it because when trying to improve the article about Blane's virtual synagogue, that I came up with the research that Blane's claim to fame is for his work with the "Institute" so that he and it and the synagogue are essentially one and the same topic -- he has just started these projects, maybe in a few years time they can be split up but right now the research shows it is all essentially the work of one individual. If anyone feels they must object to your move, then (no problem) we will oblige them by agreeing to the formalities of a vote and explain why that is really unnecessary. What I would definitely also do, is when you make the merge, I would start a new section on the discussion page and give a brief and concise explanation why you went ahead and made the merge. That's my take on it. Best wishes and have a great Shabbos, IZAK (talk) 09:22, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Quote from book "Israel and the Politics of Jewish Identity: The Secular-Religious Impasse" regarding Rabbi Elazar Shach

Hi,

Just wanted to know if you have anything to add/respond to the discussion here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Quote_from_book_.22Israel_and_the_Politics_of_Jewish_Identity:_The_Secular-Religious_Impasse.22_regarding_Rabbi_Elazar_Shach

Yonoson3 (talk) 02:42, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi, thanks a lot for your input.Yonoson3 (talk) 22:19, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXXXV, April 2013

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  • Hi there -- or whatever your name is, and I must admit I cannot recall any of this. Was it done recently or some years ago? I cannot recall anything recent. Please tell me when this happened, I certainly am aware of the guidelines you mention. and I do abide by them. Let me know if you see any slip-ups, I would be glad to correct them if need be. Sincerely, IZAK (talk) 09:19, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
    • It was done on Nov/30/09 [7]. I guess you were unaware of the guidelines at that time, or perhaps they didn't exist yet. The page history of Ordeal of the bitter water was finally merged into the history of Sotah by administrator Anthony Appleyard on May/3/13‎. Sincerely, -- -- -- 20:51, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
      • Ok thanks, Nov 09 is almost 4 years ago so no wonder I could not dredge up a fresh memory although it did ring a feint bell somewhere in the recesses of my skull. I think I was aware of that rule for a long time, it's been around for more than four years, but I may have been carried away in the heat of the moment or maybe I didn't think I was doing that, I just can't recall to be honest. But please notify me if you see anything like that from me since I have no interest in getting caught up in such issues. Thanks again, IZAK (talk) 06:17, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

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Move of The Holocaust

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Please rescue Antisemitism in early Christianity

Long time no see, IZAK. When did we last cross paths? Was it when you declared Ignatz Lichtenstein a WP:Hoax which should be deleted, because sources be damned?[8]

Nah, I'm sure it must be more recent than that. In any case, I'm glad you've since come around to the WP:Preservationist way of thinking. Though, I fear that perhaps you've decided on a very radical form, where Wikipedia should just keep everything, lack of sources be damned.

Still, as a somewhat more moderate Preservationist, I am sick to my stomach for having to vote delete in the AFD for Antisemitism in early Christianity. I would gladly strike my vote if someone (hint, hint) could find some on topic sourcing here. Please? For an old friend?? -- Kendrick7talk 02:17, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

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