User talk:Harryurz

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George Owen Johnson

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Citation

Could you please provide a citation for those bomber command mission/bombs dropped figures? Thanks! - Emt147 ^Burninate! 23:22, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Inter-Service rivally

Could you provide some evidence in support of your claim that inter-service rivally was a significant motivating force for the RAF Vulcan Black Buck raids on the Stanley airfield? Brian.Burnell 12:24, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Reference "Sea Harrier Over the Falklands: A Maverick at War" (Cassell Military Paperbacks S.) by Commander "Sharkey" Ward ; haven't got the exact page references, as the book isn't presently to hand- will find out. Thanks Harryurz 14:35, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ilyushin Il-2

You added two paragraphs to "Operational history". You put a citation on the second paragraph, if that citation was also used for the first paragraph please add the same citation to the first paragraph. --Philip Baird Shearer 10:19, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Foreign contributions

I cannot see why you think that the American contributions are so important. Just because AVM Park is merely a New Zealander seems to belittle him in your eyes. If Park had been an American, I am sure you would see him differently. By the way, what I said about him was correct, and his main job was to protect London. This was even mentioned earlier in the article. Wallie 21:31, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Citations for Jagdgeschwader pages

Great stuff you've added on the various Jagdgeschwader pages. However, if you could add citations/references/sources for the material that would be great. (As per the request on the JG 54 talk page.) Hopefully one day we'll get a JG page as a FA, but then we need the sources :) Abel29a 18:55, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Neville Duke

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Hans-Arnold Stahlschmidt

Thanks for the citation on the units statistics.Dapi89 20:17, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

P-40 and overclaiming of kills

Hi, I just saw you discussed this with Grant65 some time ago. I want to add a sentence telling the readers overclaiming was not unusual. I have several references, but Grant65 keep reverting and reverting and reverting. He either says what happened elsewhere is not context but irrelevant or alleges the explanation is meant as an accusation of DAF. Could you take a look at the article, leave a comment? Thanks! Here´s my addition to the article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Curtiss_P-40&oldid=211024699#Combat_performance —Preceding unsigned comment added by Markus Becker02 (talk • contribs) 13:31, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Evan Mackie

Thanks for your help on this page. I have Mackie's biography (Spitfire Leader by Avery and Shores http://www.amazon.co.uk/Spitfire-Leader-Commander-Zealand-Fighter/dp/1898697507 ) but it is currently out on loan. Once I have it back I'll get back to his article and do lots more work. Cheers. Minorhistorian (talk) 04:30, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jagdgeschwader 1

Hello,

Thanks for tiding up the grammar. However it'd seem that you removed entire introduction section as well. That prompted the robot to add a Too Short Tag. I have not reverted your work. I merely added the Intro Paragraph to your work. You may see the comparison here.

perseus71 (talk) 16:11, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed that you did a cleanup on this article. Although I appreciate it, it seems you changed the equivalent ranks to German ranks of the time. The same ones I had in brackets. As a matter of fact, I had changed from the German ranks to equivalent ranks based on the peer review comments. Peer Review Most likely same comments might come back in the A Class Review. I'd like to know your views. Thanks Perseus71 (talk) 20:37, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the delay in getting back. I was trying to get a consensus from the administrators and other Reviewers. I actually do agree with you. I had originally put in only German ranks prior to changing it due to the review feedback. Now most of the Administrators and reviewers happen to opine that we need to use English equivalent with German ranks in parenthesis first time. At later use, we need to use English ranks only. I even tried to reach out to German reviewers. Left a message on Wikipedia:WikiProject Germany. They do agree but won't put out clear guidelines. Best you have right now is a list of translations. I feel that the two of us are a minority on this topic. I will have to go with the majority unless someone put out clear guidelines. Perseus71 (talk) 14:04, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely valid point. I did run into this earlier and had made compromises. But now that I think about it, it does not make sense to use either equivalent of feldwebel. I am inclined to go with the linked Germanic version irrespective of weather there's flak over this. Thanks for the clear explanation. Perseus71 (talk) 18:18, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Harry Broadhurst

Hi Harry! On 24 September you made some commendable additions to Harry Broadhurst. However, you added no in-line citations to show the source(s) of your information. The article presently has only two in-line citations, and they are two that I added recently. I have added the banner saying 'This article lacks in-line citations'.

WP:VERIFIABILITY says The threshhold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. Information which is likely to be challenged, or has been challenged, must be supported by citations to identify the source of that information. Please return to Harry Broadhurst and post appropriate in-line citations to show the source(s) of your information. Suitable background information is available at WP:REFB and WP:CITE. Happy editing. Dolphin51 (talk) 02:36, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

JG 27

Hi Harry. I noticed you added losses to the article; its highest losses. Could you please add a citation? (author, date and page no) A fact tag is going to added, and they look ugly! Cheers. Dapi89 (talk) 19:22, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Heinrich Bongartz

You did a pretty nice job of tightening up my prose. Thanks.

Georgejdorner (talk) 06:51, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jagdgeschwader 11

Hi Harry,

  Thanks for the copyedit on this article.

Perseus71 (talk) 03:08, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Walter Oesau

Regarding your recent changes to the article. Please note that auditors at the A-Class and FA-Class level are requesting all German ranks in English, among others. They are arguing that the article has to be written for an Englsih reading audience. Personally I don't fully agree since for some terms their just is no equivalent but those seem to be the rules. MisterBee1966 (talk) 13:41, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Harry,
I noticed that you had taken out some significant chunks out of this article. Some of them crucial regarding Oesau's career. All the content was properly cited as well. So I am afraid I don't understand the rationale. Would you share your thoughts ? ' Perseus 71 ^talk 19:44, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
1. I don't per se object to shout but I was just trying to understand your view point. As it is, this article is barely making the GA mark given that it does not shed light on quiet a few background details of Oesau. At first glance it seemed like size of the removed content was large enough to make someone overzealous may question or yank the GA status. But now that I did section by section compare, I see your point. Thanks all the same. ' Perseus 71 ^talk 20:27, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cobby

Hi Harry, tks for your clarification re. his score, I'm in the middle of expanding the article and had come to the same conclusion about his total and its breakdown from checking another source (Newton's Australian Air Aces) and was hoping Above the Trenches would echo that, which it seems to do. One thing, could you pls provide me the ISBN of your edition so I can add full details to the reference section of the article? Tks in advance! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 14:30, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Harry, thank you very much for that. Could I prevail on you for another bit of info re. Cobby? The table of all his victories here agrees with the one I have in Newton's Australian Air Aces. However, Guttman in Balloon-Busting Aces reports that Cobby downed his first balloon at Merville on 21 May 1918, not 21 April as in this table, and that his first Albatros/balloon 'double' in a day was scored on 30 May, not 30 April as in the link. Could you pls confirm whether the table I've given here effectively duplicates what's in Above the Trenches, implying that Guttman has simply got his months of April and May mixed up? Can I also assume that Shores et al employ a similar table and that it's on p.110? Many thanks/cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 09:21, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Heh, double-checking the Official History of the AFC, I find 21 May there for this first balloon as well - even more interested to see what Shores has...! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 09:36, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Adrian Cole

Hi Harry, could I ask you to check Above the Trenches for me again? I'm seeking a definitive list of Cole's victories plus his overall score. Some say 9 and some say 10. I have two lists from the web, here and here - are either from Above the Trenches? If so, can you let me know the page ref? Thanks/cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 15:14, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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New Stan Dallas victory list

To bring you up to date:

Georgejdorner (talk) 03:25, 12 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have just received, via interlibrary loan, Australian Hawk Over the Western Front. Appendix E in it lists 48 victories for Dallas. More interestingly, it does not entirely coincide with the aerodrome's listing at http://www.theaerodrome.com/aces/australi/dallas.php. Combining the two will produce a victory list somewhere in the 50s, or perhaps in the low 60s. This will be revolutionary! It would not only make him the top scoring Australian ace of World War I, but also move him well towards the top of the list for all sides in the war.

I am in the process of collating the aerodrome and Hawk lists. I am thinking that perhaps we should append a final list to the Dallas article.

I am soliciting your thoughts on the situation.

Georgejdorner (talk) 14:48, 11 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That certainly puts the cat amongst the pigeons! I'll see if one of the libraries in town has a copy of Australian Hawk so I can compare to Newton's Australian Air Aces. You'll recall that Newton lists 32 undisputed claims (similar to what's in The Aerodrome and Shores) as well as another 11 that were reported by "some sources", which would give him 43. At this stage I think we're still likely to have to report 32 as the most commonly listed undisputed score, mention 39 as a regularly reported figure, and also refer to lists which give him even higher scores, like the one you've just found. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 22:06, 11 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The list I am referring to seems about as detailed as the aerodrome list, and dates from 2006. Thus it seems equally reliable, and somewhat newer, as the aerodrome lists are dated 1997. I should not be surprised if the Shore list and the aerodrome list coincide, as the aerodrome is run by World War I aviation historians who also publish in print. Shore may be one of them. Incidentally, Above the Trenches is listed as one of the sources for the Hawk list.

As I have been insisting on a victory-by-victory list as the basis for placement, it seems only cricket that I should honor a compilation that shows a higher figure than 32. I am going to put together a cut-and-paste one this evening, using scissors and paper, and will advise you of the result. If it results in a higher total than 43, then I believe we have reliable sourcing for that higher total.

Could you please set me up a User Page with a tabular listing on it, so that I can share my results? I would suggest something similar to the present lists, except the headings should be "No.", "Date/time", "Aircraft", "Foe", "Result", "Location", "Notes". I had a try at adapting the present list, but failed miserably.

I am not familiar with Newton and Shore, but will try to acquire them through interlibrary loan.

Georgejdorner (talk) 00:51, 12 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well since I've got access to Newton you could leave posting that list to me, you concentrate on Australian Hawk (once I set up a table) and perhaps you could buzz Harryurz, who I believe has Shores, and he could just point out any differences between Shores and The Aerodrome (I wouldn't be surprised if they're identical). Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:29, 12 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like a plan.

Georgejdorner (talk) 03:16, 12 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Your edit to Jasta

Firstly, we need a bibliographic entry for your source (Shores).

The new paragraph essentially agrees with the broad thrust of the earlier one to the extent of virtually repeating some of its content. The specific point that IS new is the idea that the essentially defensive nature of German air tactics originated at this point - rather than earlier (like from the beginning of the war) or later. Adding this point neatly into the original paragraph - with the reference to Shores close to the particular point - may make for a tidier and more concise and to the point.

In any case, it is possible to over-stress the Allied (especially British) = offensive / German = defensive dichotomy - it wasn't quite that simple - although the jastas themselves were in practice mainly used defensively, German two-seaters (especially the specialist "J" and "CL" types) were often used very aggressively indeed - especially in support of German ground offensives and counter attacks. Long range reconnaissance and strategic bombing were both important German strategies. The development of high altitude reconnaissance types and faster strategic bombers (the "GL" types) in 1917/18 also sit ill with the conventional and often stated idea that German air strategy was purely defensive and reactive.

Further, the radical reorganisation and considerable expansion of the Luftstreitkräfte in mid/late 1916 seems to have been intended, at least initially, as an attempt to match the size as well as the quality of the Allied air forces (especially the RFC) rather than what would have amounted to an admission that the Germans had already essentially lost the air war. Acceptance of the fact that they "would always be outnumbered" seems to belong more to the period following the loss of air superiority to the allies in the later months of 1917, rather than mid 1916 when the jastas were first raised.

I'll have a look into this - but it may be even more appropriate if you re-edit this section yourself - perhaps reading Shores a little more critically, and in the context of other writers, while integrating the new and the old paragraphs to make a concise statement that does not repeat itself in different words. --Soundofmusicals (talk) 22:05, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The Few

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Walter Oesau

Hi Harryurz,

I noticed that you have been cleaning up the prose and grammar of this article. I appreciate that. What I did notice is that, you also removed his Army background as well as rule of "20 scored" for the Knight's Cross. These pieces of information were duely citated with proper sources. I feel that if this is going to be the military career article, all military service performed needs to be mentioned. Also in case many pilots, the 20 rule has been mentioned as there are disputes over the rule. Can you please let me know your thoughts ? Thanks Perseus71 (talk) 15:27, 6 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Schräge Musik article

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Bader

Can you avoid deleting citations, it is quite annoying. Also, could you add the book to the bibliography and write your citations in the same format as the rest of the article. It saves others having to correct it. Thanks Harry. Dapi89 (talk) 10:21, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Merry, merry

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Lloyd Trigg query

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And......

Can you explain this edit which is virtually a cut and paste from this blog? Are there other articles you have edited similarly? Moriori (talk) 01:45, 27 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for spotting the direct cut/paste ; Apologies as it was intended to be a starting point for an article expand but unfortunately technical problems logged me out before I amended it! Looks like I forgot the amendment. Ill go back into the article and revamp the grammar etc asap , Thanks Harryurz (talk) 09:55, 27 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion

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I see you've already revised the reference; fair enough, although it doesn't bother me in particular, I respectfully suggest you consider the tone of your comments to others in future, as such curt and supercillious communication often scares off sincere contributors and prevents otherwise valuable additions to the articles. thanks Harryurz (talk) 14:49, 19 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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