User talk:HELvet

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JohnCD (talk) 16:13, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Notability of Avarus (English band)

A tag has been placed on Avarus (English band) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article, which appears to be about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. If this is the first page that you have created, then you should read the guide to writing your first article.

If you think that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the article (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. JohnCD (talk) 16:13, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I just don't know how to answer these talk pages in any nice way.

The only reason I created a page about Avarus the English deathcore band was because the original Avarus (band) page had been radically edited to remove the original content about a key band in the emergence of the Finnish psych folk scene in the early 2000's. The band's name is Avarus and it was formed in 2001. The last version related to the Finnish band on the page is from December 2008, after that the content has completely been rewritten to contain information about Avarus the English band. I felt that I should not just remove the edits, but instead create a new page and edit the disambiguation page for Avarus to contain links to both pages.

I have no qualms about the speedy deletion of Avarus (English band). I feel that the original Finnish band meets the requirements of notability, since they were a key band in the emergence of psych folk in Finland. HELvet (talk) 19:22, 5 May 2009 (UTC+3)

Don't worry, you did exactly the right thing by separating out the articles for the two bands; it sounds as though someone else had hijacked the Finnish band's article. Now they have separate articles and their notability can be considered separately. Even if the English band gets deleted as non-notable, it is probably useful to have the word "Finnish" in that band's title, to avoid confusion and in case someone tries again to make an article for the English one. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 16:39, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]