User talk:Gregwrites

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Speedy deletion nomination of Nathan asher and the infantry

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A tag has been placed on Nathan asher and the infantry requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a band or musician, but it does not credibly indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.

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Please do not add promotional material to Wikipedia, as you did to Nathan asher and the infantry. While objective prose about beliefs, organisations, people, products or services is acceptable, Wikipedia is not intended to be a vehicle for soapboxing, advertising or promotion. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 20:45, 29 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A few words of advice on starting contributing to Wikipedia

My advice to new editors is that it is best to start by making small improvements to existing articles, rather than creating new articles. That way any mistakes you make will be small ones, and you won't have the discouraging experience of repeatedly seeing hours of work deleted. Gradually, you will get to learn how Wikipedia works, and after a while you will know enough about what is acceptable to be able to write whole new articles without fear that they will be deleted. Over the years I have found that editors who start by making small changes to existing articles and work up from there have a far better chance of having a successful time here than those who jump right into creating new articles from the start. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 20:46, 29 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Nathan Asher and the Infantry

Note: Normally it is best to answer a talk page message on the page where that message was posted, to prevent conversations from getting fragmented and difficult to follow. However, this time I am making an exception, and copying your message to me and answering it here. This is because what I am writing contains advice to you, and if you ever want to refer back to it then it will be more helpful to you on your talk page than buried in the archives of my talk page. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 15:36, 30 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for advice on the Nathan Asher page. Truth is I just wanted to create a page I knew something about. It was not in any way promotional, as the band has been disbanded for at least eight years. I thought the sourcing was solid and written in the form of other bands on wikipedia. I don't know any one from the former band. I just used to listen to them years ago. I thought they deserved an entry, given their reach on the southeastern coast of America about a decade ago.

With that said, I hope you will look again at the page and see that it was not promotional and that it met the guidelines for a band.

Gregwrites (talk) 20:54, 29 May 2017 (UTC)Gregwrites[reply]

OK, I have had another look at the deleted article, and I will make a few comments which I hope may help you.

It is worth taking a little trouble to be clear about what the word "promotional" means in this context, because it is something which is very often misunderstood by new editors. Obviously, since the band no longer exists there can be no promotion in the commercial sense, but "promotional" can have a much wider range of meanings than that, and as far as Wikipedia is concerned anything which serves to try to persuade the reader that something is a good thing is promoting it. If someone were to write in the article Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart "Mozart was truly one of the greatest musicians who ever lived, and wrote music of a depth and power that has rarely if ever been surpassed", that would be viewed as promotional writing, and the fact that he has been dead for two and a quarter centuries and can't possibly benefit from the promotion does not alter that.

Language such as "The band combined poetic songwriting with a big-sound stage presence" is nowhere near as blatantly promotional as is quite often seen, but it does have a generally promotional feel to it. When it comes to things like "it's so cool to have Nathan Asher & the Infantry in our midst, a group that does not think small" and "a singer unafraid to reveal the deepest depths of himself in the most intense display of vocalizing emotion", you did put quotes round the text and attribute the views to particular commentators, rather than just saying those things as facts, but the fact remains that with or without quotes putting that sort of thing in an article tends to convey the unmistakable impression that the person writing the article wishes to make us fully aware of the good opinions that are held about the band, and when a fairly large proportion of a short article consists of laudatory prose such as those examples, the overall impression is strongly promotional.

I still recommend starting by making small improvements to existing articles and leaving the creation of new articles until you have more experience, but in case you still wish to go ahead with the article, I have restored it and moved it to Draft:Nathan Asher and the Infantry. You can work on it there, and if and when you think it is ready to become an article you can submit it for review by clicking on "Submit your draft for review!". An experienced editor will review the draft, and either accept it as an article or leave a message indicating what more needs to be done to it. This is a safer way for a new editor to write an article than creating one directly, because it is unlikely to be speedily deleted, unless it has really serious faults such as copyright infringement or libel.

Before you put any time into editing the draft, and in fact even before you decide whether you are going to edit it, you should look at Wikipedia's notability guidelines, if you haven't already done so. This is because if the band doesn't satisfy those guidelines then any article about them, no matter how well it may be written, is likely to be deleted, and obviously that would mean that all the work you put in would be lost. I don't know whether the band satisfies the guidelines or not, but the article as you wrote it certainly does not provide evidence that it does, so my advice is not to put more work in until you have checked. In my opinion there are far too many guidelines and policies in Wikipedia, and most of them are far too long and complex, making it difficult for a new editor to find his or her way around, but in this case the ones you most need to look at are the general notability guideline and Wikipedia:Notability (music). You should also have a look at Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources, and try to add references to more sources than the one you have given. Also, of course, you should think about what I said above about promotional editing, and consider rewriting in view of those comments.

I am also giving you a link to various policies, guidelines, and information pages which may be of use to you. Don't try to read and learn all of it, because, as I said above, there is far too much there, but read any bits that seem to be likely to be helpful to you, and of course you can always come back to other bits in the future if you need to. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 15:36, 30 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Draft:Nathan Asher and the Infantry concern

Hi there, I'm HasteurBot. I just wanted to let you know that Draft:Nathan Asher and the Infantry, a page you created, has not been edited in 5 months. The Articles for Creation space is not an indefinite storage location for content that is not appropriate for articlespace.

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Your draft article, Draft:Nathan Asher and the Infantry

Hello, Gregwrites. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Nathan Asher and the Infantry".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply edit the submission and remove the {{db-afc}}, {{db-draft}}, or {{db-g13}} code.

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. TKK! bark with me! 23:43, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:Nathan Asher and the Infantry

Hello, Gregwrites. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or draft page you started, "Nathan Asher and the Infantry".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply edit the submission and remove the {{db-afc}}, {{db-draft}}, or {{db-g13}} code.

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! Hey man im josh (talk) 12:49, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]