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2019

Die Zeit, die Tag und Jahre macht

Happy 2019 -

begin it with music and memories

Thank you for your project help last year! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:44, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Please check out "Happy" once more, for a smile, and sharing (a Nobel Peace Prize), and resolutions. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:19, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

January

Thank you for improving articles! Did you know that Precious began 7 years ago? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:40, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Tian Feng (magazine)

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Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals update #026, 20 Jan 2019

Well, here's the first issue of the new year. Enjoy...

New participants

A hearty welcome to new arrivals to the portals department:

Harvesting categories tool prototype

DannyS712 has created a user script prototype, User:DannyS712/Cat links, that can pull members from a category, a functionality we've been after since the project's revamp last Spring. Now, it's a matter of applying this technique to scripts that will place the items where needed, such as in a section starter script and/or portal builder script.

New portals since last issue

What else is going on

There have been some discussions at Wikipedia talk:Portal guidelines.

DreamyJazz is working on a bot to place links to portals on root articles, category pages, and navigation footer templates.

Portal bugs are getting dealt with soon after they are reported.

Lots of wikignome activity (using Hotcat, etc.).

Keep up the good work. — The Transhumanist 08:15, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals update #027, 28 Jan 2019

Portal styles

For a visually intensive portal, see Portal:Hummingbirds.

If you find any other portals that stand out, please send me the links so I can include them in the next issue. Thank you.

Conversion continues

There are about 1100 portals left in the old style, with subpages and static excerpts. As those are very labor intensive to maintain (because their maintenance is manual), all those except the ones with active maintainers (about 100) are slated for upgrade = approximately 1000. We started with 1500, and so over a quarter of them have been processed so far. That's good, but at this rate, conversion will take another 3 years. So, some automation (AWB?) is in order. We just need to keep at it, and push down on the gas pedal a bit harder.

You can find the old-style portals with an insource search of "box portal skeleton".

Flagship portals: the portals on the Main Page

Speaking of upgrades...

The following portals are listed in the header at the top of Wikipedia's Main Page, and get far more traffic than all other portals:

Of those, all but one have been revamped to an automated self-updating single-page design.

The remaining one, Portal:Mathematics has manual maintainers, and has been partially upgraded.

As these are our flagship fleet, they need to be kept in top-notch condition.

Check 'em out, and improve them if you can.

And be sure they are on your watchlist.

New portals since last issue

Keep 'em coming!

Deorphanizing the new portals

As you know, thousands of the new portals are orphans, that is, having no links to them from article space. For all practical purposes, that means they are not part of the encyclopedia yet, and readers will be unlikely to find them.

What is needed are links to these portals from the See also sections of the corresponding root articles.

Dreamy Jazz to the rescue...

Dreamy Jazz has created a bot to place the corresponding category link to the end of each portal (if it is missing), and place a link to each portal in the See also section of the corresponding root articles.

That bot, named User:Dreamy Jazz Bot, is currently in its trial period performing the above described edits!

To take a look at the edits it has made so far, see Special:Contributions/Dreamy_Jazz_Bot.

It shouldn't be long before the bot is processing the entire set of new portals.

Good news indeed.

Way to go, Dreamy Jazz!

And, that's a wrap

That's all I have to report this time around.

No doubt there will be more to tell soon.

Until then, — The Transhumanist 13:11, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals update #028, 04 Feb 2019

Here's a quicky status report:

Old-style portals: 1,018

Single-page portals: 4,367

Total portals: 5,385

But of course, there has been more going on than just that...

Dreamy Jazz Bot is up and running!

Dreamy Jazz Bot has been approved and is now up and running.

What it does is places missing links to orphaned portals. It places a link in the See also section of the corresponding root article, and it puts one at the top of the corresponding category page.

We have thousands of new portals that have yet to be added to the encyclopedia proper, just waiting to go live.

When they do go live, over the coming days or weeks, due to Dreamy Jazz Bot, it will be like an explosion of new portals on the scene. We should expect an increase in awareness and interest in the portals project. Perhaps even new participants.

Get ready...

Get set...

Go!

Another sockpuppet infiltrator has been discovered

User:Emoteplump, a recent contributor to the portals project, was discovered to be a sockpuppet account of an indefinitely blocked user.

When that happens, admins endeavor to eradicate everything the editor contributed. This aftermath has left a wake of destruction throughout the portals department, again.

The following portals which have been speedy deleted, are in the process of being re-created. Please feel free to help to turn these blue again:

And the corresponding talk pages:

New portals since the last issue

Keep up the great work

Until next time, — The Transhumanist 09:00, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

reFill failure

reFill is notoriously flawed. You are responsible for the edits that it makes under your direction. Please fix this mess that reFill made with this edit.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 00:15, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Fixed now. Thanks for letting me know! – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 14:11, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Federal Republic of Lostisland

Hi there. I know micronations can raise passions on all sides, but I really don't think the redlink on Matthew Island and Hunter Island is appropriate. There has been a previous article on Lostisland which was deleted for non-notability. (Obviously, the Japanese Wikipedia has made a different decision or has not considered it that closely). There's been a lot of edit-warring in the past over the Matthew Island and Hunter Island article, which was eventually resolved with the agreement to include a small mention of the Lostisland claim but nothing more. Unless and until something changes to make it notable enough for its own article, I worry that adding a redlink risks starting up that edit war all over again. --OpenToppedBus - Talk to the driver 17:34, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

@OpenToppedBus: if consensus is not to have a link, or anything else beyond that brief mention, then that's consensus. I'm more than happy to go along with it. But for the record, the article was not deleted for lack of notability. It was deleted for WP:CSD#A7, which considers article content, not the topic. Granted, had that AfD ran its course, it could have very well been found to lack notability. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 18:41, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

If and when someone actually writes an article that is worth keeping we'll link to it in this article. Until then we don't need the link.This article has seen a long series of edits trying to push mention of ht supposed micronation in the absence of an article about it. We have discussed this issue extensively and the current content is the result of that discussion. You added the link and it was undone. Per WP:BRD you should take this to the talk page rather than restoring it,. Meters (talk) 01:01, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals update #029, 13 Feb 2019

Where we are at:

Single-page portals: 4,704

Total portals: 5,705

The Ref desks survived the proposal to shut them down

You might be familiar with the Ref desks, by their link on every new portal. They are a place you can go to ask volunteers almost any knowledge-related question, and have been a feature of Wikipedia since August of 2005 (or perhaps earlier). They were linked to from portals in an effort to improve their visibility, and to provide a bridge from the encyclopedia proper to project space (the Wikipedia community).

Well, somebody proposed that we get rid of them, and the community decided that that was not going to happen. Thank you for defending the Ref desks!

Here's a link to the dramatic discussion:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)/Indefinitely_semiprotecting_the_refdesk#Proposal_II:_Shut_down_the_Ref_Desks

The cleanup after sockpuppet Emoteplump continues...

The wake of disruption left by Emoteplump and the admins who reverted many (but not all) of his/her edits is still undergoing cleanup. We could use all the help we can get on this task...

Almost all of the speedy deleted portals have been rebuilt from scratch.

For the portals he/she restarted (many of which were done mistakenly, overwriting restarts and further development that had already been done), and/or tagged as the maintainer, see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Emoteplump&oldid=881568794#Additional_Portals_under_my_watch

10,000 portals, here we come...

We're at 5,705 portals and counting.

New portals since issue #28

Prior to 2018, for the previous 14 years, portal creation was at about 80 portals per year on average. We did over 3 times that in just the past 9 days. At this rate, we'll hit the 10,000 portal mark in 5 months. But, I'm sure we can do it sooner than that.

What's next for portal pages?

There are 5 drives for portal development:

Create new portals
Expand existing portals, such as with new sections like Recognized content
Convert or restart old-style portals into automated single-page portals
Link to new portals from the encyclopedia
Pageless portals

Let's take a closer look at these...

1: Creating new portals

Portal creation, for subjects that happen to have the necessary support structures already in place, is down to about a minute per portal. The creation part, which is automated, takes about 10 seconds. The other 50 seconds is taken up by manual activities, such as finding candidate subjects, inspecting generated portals, and selecting the portal creation template to be used according to the resources available. Tools are under development to automate these activities as much as possible, to pare portal creation time down even more. Ten seconds each is the goal.

Eventually, we are going to run out of navigation templates to base portals off of. Though there are still thousands to go. But, when they do run out, we'll need an easy way to create more. A nav footer creation script.

Meanwhile, other resources are being explored and developed, such as categories, and methods to harvest the links they contain.

2: Expanding existing portals

The portal collection is growing, not only by the addition of new portals, but by further developing the ones we already have, by...

Improving and/or adding search parameters to better power the Did you know and In the news sections.
Adding more selected content sections, like Selected biographies.
Adding and maintaining Recognized content sections, via JL-Bot.
Adding pictures to the image slideshow.
Adding panoramic pics.
Categorizing portals.

More features will be added as we dream them up and design them. So, don't be shy, make a wish.

3: Converting old portals

By far the hardest and most time-consuming task we have been working on is updating the old portals, the very reason we revamped this WikiProject in the first place.

There are two approaches here:

A) Restart a portal from scratch, using our automated tools. For basic no-frills portals, that works find. But, for more elaborate portals, as that tends to lose content and features, the following approach is being tried...

B) Upgrade a portal section by section, so little to nothing is lost in the process.

4: Linking to new portals

Or "portal deorphanization"...

Dreamy Jazz Bot is purring along.

And a tool in the form of a script is under development for linking to portals at the time they are created, or shortly thereafter.

5...

See below...

New WikiProject for the post-saved-portal phase of operations...

Saved portals, are portals with a saved page.

What is the next stage in the evolutionary progression?

Quantum portals.

What are quantum portals?

Portals that come into existence when you click on the portal button, and which disappear when you leave the page.

Or, as Pbsouthwood put it:

...portals that exist only as a probability function (algorithm) until you collapse the wave form by observing through the portal button (run the script), and disappear again after use...

Introducing...

Wikipedia:WikiProject Quantum portals (see it's talk page).

Keep on keepin' on

...'til next time, — The Transhumanist 10:21, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi

recently you deleted something that I added in a Wikipedia article. I wrote the weird "Iridocyclitis would like to be friends" stuff that you deleted. It made me somewhat upset but I understand. I just wanted to apologize for my vandalism of the Wikipedia community. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Technobeam (talk • contribs) 02:34, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Technobeam, and thanks for dropping by. I'm happy to hear you've decided to mend your ways, and even created an account. Contributing to Wikipedia in a constructive way can be very enjoyable. I've posted some advice on your talk page. Don't hesitate to ask me or anyone else here if you have any questions. Cheers! – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 09:38, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi! Thank you for the help, again I'm sorry for what I did Best wishes! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Technobeam (talk • contribs) 15:15, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Downgrade of Mirka Mora

Dear Finnusertop (alias I dream of horses?), I am mystified by your unexplained downgrading of Mirka Mora...I would have expected some discussion on the article talk page prior to your doing so. Do you have expertise on the subject, or is there some technical shortcoming with the article? Curious, Jamesmcardle^(talk) 22:03, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

@Jamesmcardle: did you read the page I linked to? Wikipedia:Content assessment/A-Class criteria is quite clear on the issue: in order to pass an article for A-Class there needs to be either a talk page discussion with multiple participants supporting the rating or a formal A-Class review at a WikiProject. I looked through the talk page and its archive and didn't see a discussion. I'm also assuming there wasn't a review at a WikiProject (they are usually linked to by using the template {{Article history}}). A-Class is just like GA and FA. It's not enough that one person thinks it meets the criteria, it needs a discussion. In short, the shortcoming here was of process (I've no opinion on the content of the article itself) and surely such an out-of-process change could be reverted. And no, I'm not I dream of horses. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 22:18, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

@Finnusertop: Thank you for your clarification. Strangely your comment at the bottom of Mirka Mora user page did not come up when I loaded the page, but does now. True, there was discussion involving Capitalistroadster and JennyOz on their user page, about the featuring of the article on Wikipedia's main page in the In the news section on 30 August 2018, but not about grading the article A class. Let's see if that now ensues. Regards, Jamesmcardle^(talk) 22:32, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Winner of Yeonpyeong bombardment

Hello Finnusertop, I recently noticed your redo on my update to Bombardment of Yeonpyeong which was made in regards to the winner of the battle. You asked for "a reliable source that directly says that", however, I am a little bit confused because there are literally hundreds of online references which gives different evaluations on this "winner" of the battle. I don't even think your request on the "reliable source" makes sense because the term "source" is only meant for the texts that describe measurable states or numerical amount from a certain incident, not politically biased views or propaganda. If you insist me to fetch a source that portrays NK as the obvious winner, maybe I can fetch some links from the North Korean news portal.

With that being said, I think it's way more appropriate for the editors to decide the winner using the very basic and common logic, rather than relying on a source. The winner, in fact, is a party who did achieve their goal by repelling/thwarting one's advance/interest. In this context, NK successfully aimed and stopped South Korean live-fire exercises by bombarding the island, while South Korea is reduced to stop it immediately. This shows who the winner is, without any doubt. Please feel free to share me your ideas. --Efgus (talk) 18:41, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Efgus, and thanks for dropping by. You can read about what a "reliable source" means on Wikipedia here Wikipedia:Reliable sources. One of Wikipedia's core policies is Wikipedia:Verifiability. You need to be able to cite everything you write here to a reliable source. Making your own conclusions, or Wikipedia:No original research, as we call it, is not allowed. So yes, you need to find a reliable source that directly says that North Korea was the winner if you want to include that content. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 18:53, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

we thank you

Thank you for article improvements in February! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:27, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

You're welcome! – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 19:59, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

... and in in March - click on "March" for travel pics --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:22, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

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Kingdom Hearts ownership source

Why was the source that I used not considered reliable? the quotation is direct and addresses the ownership of the intellectual property? Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 22:05, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

@Iftekharahmed96: Because it didn't say Disney owns all original characters and worlds of the Kingdom Hearts franchise. It simply says Disney owns something. Copyright notices are notoriously vague. They haven't even been required by copyright law for several decades now, so what they say is largely inconsequential. There is no obligation to comprehensively identify who owns what. They are essentially there to provide vague contact information. Copyright protects works and parts of works, and the myriad of products in a franchise is an incredibly complex set of works. You need a reliable source that directly supports the claim. (ping: Blue Pumpkin Pie). – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 14:50, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

I don't think them being reliable is the problem. I think the problem is that it doesn't reflect what you think it does. If you can find a source that says "Disney owns all original kingdom hearts worlds and original kingdom hearts characters" then it can be kept.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 15:06, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

I took the time to do some further digging, and found Disney's page regarding its trademarks. https://support.disney.com/hc/en-us/articles/360000829466-Legal-Notices, from what it states here, they are copyrighting Kingdom Hearts, whilst giving copyright credit to Square Enix for their logo trademarks. Problem is, the page is arguably outdated. Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 20:45, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

A bit better, Iftekharahmed96, bit again hardly ideal. The same problems apply. These are neither comprehensive legal documents or conclusions drawn by reliable sources, so they are very vague.

But more to the point. We seldom talk about copyrights in articles. It's not the sort of information that the general public is usually interested in when it comes to a general introduction. Unless reliable sources talk about some copyright-related issue (like a controversy), should we? We shouldn't, because we follow the sources. And not just the facts (WP:V), but the proportional balance of coverage (WP:DUE). If not a single secondary source talks about copyright, then it's hardly noteworthy. There's a section for copyright in Peter and Wendy#Copyright status because there is a controversy that has been widely documented. Meanwhile, there is not a word on copyright at Mona Lisa or Atlas Shrugged, although we could describe these with a distinction (in public domain and copyrighted, respectively). – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:03, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals update #030, 17 Mar 2019

Previous issue:

Single-page portals: 4,704

Total portals: 5,705

This issue:

Single-page portals: 4,562

Total portals: 5,578

The collection of portals has shrunk

All Portals closed at WP:MfD during 2019

Grouped Nominations total 127 Portals:

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/US County Portals Deleted 64 portals
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Districts of India Portals Deleted 30 Portals
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portals for Portland, Oregon neighborhoods Deleted 23 Portals
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Allen Park, Michigan Deleted 6 Portals
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Cryptocurrency Deleted 2 Portals
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:North Pole Deleted 2 Portals

Individual Nominations:

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Circles Deleted
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Fruits Deleted
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:E (mathematical constant) Deleted
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Burger King Deleted
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Cotingas Deleted
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Prostitution in Canada Deleted
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Agoura Hills, California Deleted
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Urinary system Deleted
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:You Am I Deleted
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Cannabis (2nd nomination) Reverted to non-Automated version
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Intermodal containers Deleted
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Adventure travel Deleted
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Adam Ant Deleted
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Benito Juárez, Mexico City Deleted
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Spaghetti Deleted
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Wikiatlas Deleted
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Greek alphabet Deleted
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn Deleted
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Accounting Deleted G7
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Lents, Portland, Oregon Deleted P2
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Ankaran Deleted
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Jiu-jitsu Deleted G8
Portal:University of Nebraska Speedy Deleted P1/A10 exactly the same as Portal:University of Nebraska–Lincoln also created by the TTH

Related WikiProject:

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Quantum portals Demoted

(Attribution: Copied from Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Portal MfD Results)

WikiProject Quantum portals

This was a spin-off from WikiProject Portals, for the purpose of developing zero-page portals (portals generated on-the-screen at the push of a button, with no stored pages).

It has been merged back into WikiProject Portals. In the MfD the vote was "demote". See Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Quantum portals.

Hiatus on mass creation of Portals

At WP:VPR, mass creation of Portals using semi-automated tools has been put on hold until clearer community consensus is established.

See Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Hiatus on mass creation of Portals.

The Transhumanist banned from creating new portals for 3 months

See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Proposal 1: Interim Topic-Ban on New Portals.

Until next issue...

Keep on keepin' on. — The Transhumanist 07:25, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Portal:Railways listed at Redirects for discussion

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Truth Gatekeeper

Just to let you know that this editor you've encountered was first indefinitely block for OR, BLP violations, misuse of sources, etc and is now CU blocked (I didn't do the original CU) after socking. Doug Weller talk 12:18, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Tian Feng (magazine)

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why is it that you cannot quote from your own work?

I confess that I recently quoted from my own work, not knowing that it was such an illegal practice but merely thought that I was contributing to the general knowledge for free, I don't sell my books. And suddenly this Indiana Jones operator of Wikipedia shouts/yells "HE IS PUBLISHING HIS OWN WORK!". It, to me, sounded like the utter ballyhoo of a fanatic and totally not worthy of any administrator. The ruthless way in which he instantly deleted my effort and time invested in my research getting to these findings must have tripped a wire that ignited a bomb inside of me. My only objective was to correct obsolete/wrong Wikipedia articles, and I did. But perhaps wikipedia is actually more bloody conservative than it is interested in new theories. Donald Trump cannot edit his Lemma on Wikipedia if he is using the username Donald Trump, but he can when he is in disguise? I was openly editing my own work on wikipedia, trying to improve the overall below average reliability of wiki articles and this is the thanks I get? Well, can you do me a favor and uncouple me from your platform totally.

please share with that rotten individual, "Indiana Jones", that his auto da fe is his BBQ, not mine. Let's just say that Einstein had thought of his theories while Wikipedia existed. He registered with his own name and so he was publishing on wikipedia with "Albert Einstein" as a nickname. One day Einstein thought he would like to alter what was written about him on Wikipedia for it appeared to be an outright lie. But because he used his own name as a username he was not allowed? Do you see the hypocrisy of it all? People do it all the time, but with different usernames! So, "indiana jones" is not only not doing his job, he is enjoying what he is misdoing. I would be ashamed on myself being a wikipedia operator with such low standards, only out there to emphasize the ever growing attention on himself. If only a fool would defend himself in the court of law, then why do you still vote for Trump? Has not he be doing so for a many months now?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_book_burnings

Good luck to you and your Trump administration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SteveDehner (talk • contribs) 22:08, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Wow. Defending his brilliantly innovative WP:OR against the savage attacks of Indiana Jones, Donald Trump, and Albert Einstein? Delightful. Jim.henderson (talk) 16:02, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Abyssinian people

Just noting that Truth gatekeeper, now blocked, is using multiple sockpuppets. Let me know if you see any possible ones. Doug Weller talk 13:26, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals update #031, 01 May 2019

Back to the drawing board

Implementation of the new portal design has been culled back almost completely, and the cull is still ongoing. The cull has also affected portals that existed before the development of the automated design.

Some of the reasons for the purge are:

Portals receive insufficient traffic, making it a waste of editor resources to maintain them, especially for narrow-scope or "micro" portals
The default {{bpsp}} portals are redundant with the corresponding articles, being based primarily on the corresponding navigation footer displayed on each of those articles, and therefore not worth separate pages to do so
They were mass created

Most of the deletions have been made without prejudice to recreation of curated portals, so that approval does not need to be sought at Deletion Review in those cases.

In addition to new portals being deleted, most of the portals that were converted to an automated design have been reverted.

Which puts us back to portals with manually selected content, that need to be maintained by hand, for the most part, for the time being, and back facing some of the same problems we had when we were at this crossroads before:

Manually maintained portals are not scalable (they are labor intensive, and there aren't very many editors available to maintain them)
The builders/maintainers tend to eventually abandon them
Untended handcrafted portals go stale and fall into disrepair over time

These and other concepts require further discussion. See you at WT:POG.

However, after the purge/reversion is completed, some of the single-page portals might be left, due to having acceptable characteristics (their design varied some). If so, then those could possibly be used as a model to convert and/or build more, after the discussions on portal creation and design guidelines have reached a community consensus on what is and is not acceptable for a portal.

See you at WT:POG.

Curation

A major theme in the deletion discussions was the need for portals to be curated, that is, each one having a dedicated maintainer.

There are currently around 100 curated portals. Based on the predominant reasoning at MfD, it seems likely that all the other portals may be subject to deletion.

See you at WT:POG.

Traffic

An observation and argument that arose again and again during the WP:ENDPORTALS RfC and the ongoing deletion drive of {{bpsp}} default portals, was that portals simply do not get much traffic. Typically, they get a tiny fraction of what the corresponding like-titled articles get.

And while this isn't generally considered a good rationale for creation or deletion of articles, portals are not articles, and portal critics insist that traffic is a key factor in the utility of portals.

The implication is that portals won't be seen much, so wouldn't it be better to develop pages that are?

And since such development isn't limited to editing, almost anything is possible. If we can't bring readers to portals, we could bring portal features, or even better features, to the readers (i.e., to articles)...

Some potential future directions of development

Quantum portals?

An approach that has received some brainstorming is "quantum portals", meaning portals generated on-the-fly and presented directly on the view screen without any saved portal pages. This could be done by script or as a MediaWiki program feature, but would initially be done by script. The main benefits of this is that it would be opt-in (only those who wanted it would install it), and the resultant generated pages wouldn't be saved, so that there wouldn't be anything to maintain except the script itself.

Non-portal integrated components

Another approach would be to focus on implementing specific features independently, and provide them somewhere highly visible in a non-portal presentation context (that is, on a page that wasn't a portal that has lots of traffic, i.e., articles). Such as inserted directly into an article's HTML, as a pop-up there, or as a temporary page. There are scripts that use these approaches (providing unrelated features), and so these approaches have been proven to be feasible.

What kind of features could this be done with?

The various components of the automated portal design are transcluded excerpts, news, did you know, image slideshows, excerpt slideshows, and so on.

Some of the features, such as navigation footers and links to sister projects are already included on article pages. And some already have interface counterparts (such as image slideshows). Some of the rest may be able to be integrated directly via script, but may need further development before they are perfected. Fortunately, scripts are used on an opt-in basis, and therefore wouldn't affect readers-in-general and editors-at-large during the development process (except for those who wanted to be beta testers and installed the scripts).

The development of such scripts falls under the scope of the Javascript-WikiProject/Userscript-department, and will likely be listed on Wikipedia:User scripts/List when completed enough for beta-testing. Be sure to watchlist that page.

Where would that leave curated portals?

Being curated. At least for the time being.

New encyclopedia program features will likely eventually render most portals obsolete. For example, the pop-up feature of MediaWiki provides much the same functionality as excerpts in portals already, and there is also a slideshow feature to view all the images on the current page (just click on any image, and that activates the slideshow). Future features could also overlap portal features, until there is nothing that portals provide that isn't provided elsewhere or as part of Wikipedia's interface.

But, that may be a ways off. Perhaps months or years. It depends on how rapidly programmers develop them.

Keep on keepin' on

The features of Wikipedia and its articles will continue to evolve, even if Portals go by the wayside. Most, if not all of portals' functionality, or functions very similar, will likely be made available in some form or other.

And who knows what else?

No worries.

Until next issue... — The Transhumanist 00:22, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

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Excuse me....but you think this photo is repleacable?...please explain how it is repleacable? Not sure I understand your criteria Gzegosh (talk) 20:03, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

@Gzegosh: the article Aleksander Piotr Mohl already includes two free images of Mohl. Those two images are as good as the deleted non-free image for the purpose of identifying what Mohl looked like. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 20:24, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the explanation Gzegosh (talk) 13:02, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

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Orthodoxy in North Korea listed at Redirects for discussion

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People who died in office

I am now aware of Wikipedia and the full lists of dead people but if it were solely people who died in office (as in like people who were ruling a country that died in office) do you think it'd be fine? You've talked to me about the dead people lists before so that's why I directly asked you. Cinefan Cinefan (talk) 00:33, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

@Cinefan Cinefan: I'd say maybe yes. In fact, we currently have Category:Presidents of the United States who died while in office. But it should be noted that that particular category has been deleted a few times and then recreated, so it's a bit controversial. You should read those deletion discussion to see if the arguments affect your proposed category, here:

But basically it sounds like a category that some would think is feasible and others perhaps not. You could ask someone who is more experienced with categories if you want to makes sure. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 00:52, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Could you give me some names? Yeah I can see some people being against the category (I'm sure we'll all find a category we're against while some are pro for it). Thanks. Cinefan Cinefan (talk) 00:54, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Though I mean my idea for this category was not just to include Americans who died while in office, but people from other nations who died in office too. Cinefan Cinefan (talk) 01:00, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I understood that. My idea was simply to compare with similar categories. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 11:50, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Pinging @MER-C: Seeing that you are very experienced with categories, whereas I am not, could you kindly review the proposal above for Category:Deaths in office? – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 11:50, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Please disregard, MER-C. User now indef blocked as sock. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 13:12, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Dead people category

Fyi (if you care) I've also started to realize why people are opposed to the dead people category. I'm not entirely opposed to it (obviously) especially since the living people category exists but I've started to realize why some are opposed to it. And plus even if we did allow it, if it were just me adding, it'd take a while to get every person on there. Cinefan Cinefan (talk) 01:47, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Categories aside, do you think this would be fine to put in a sandbox (if I were to say, really bother to put it in my sandbox) Cinefan Cinefan (talk) 17:01, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

@Cinefan Cinefan: yes, you can compile a list of dead people in your sandbox if you think it helps you organize your Wikipedia-related tasks. But by your own admission, a full list is probably not feasible. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 17:02, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

I figured I should probably just do it there, because while I doubt I could fit every single person who has ever died there (at least ones who have a Wikipedia page, not literally every dead person), but alas, I am aware that Wikipedia doesn't want a full category dedicated to it (which I still disagree with, but I thought an alternative would be better) Cinefan Cinefan (talk) 20:32, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

I still find it easier doing it in a full category, but knowing Wikipedia primarily doesn't want one dedicated to dead people, I will use sandbox for now Cinefan Cinefan (talk) 20:34, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Regarding my warning

Sorry for noticing this so late but I just saw your messages and would like to let you know that I use a shared pc at my house. The edits were not me and I apologize on behalf of my son for the vandalism on this man's page. I have restricted his pc usage until further notice which should stop this from happening in the future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.70.205.95 (talk) 01:07, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. All problematic edits have been reverted, so no harm done. Have a great day! – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 01:17, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

You're a 'Featured Host'

You may have seen this announcement that all the 'Featured Hosts' - whose names and pictures randomly cycle round in the Teahouse Header - have just been updated.

As you are currently one of the 29 most active editors at WP:TH, your name and an image has now replaced that of an inactive host. But because you haven't yet added yourself to the full list of active hosts, I have chosen what I hope might be an acceptable image to you (over the default picture of a cup of green tea). It would be great if you would now do two things:

Check or change the 'featured host' image allocated to you. Edit it at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Host/Featured/27, or undo my changes if you don't wish to be 'featured'.
Create a 'host profile' for yourself, and choose a relevant picture - click the 'Experienced editor?' button in the TH Header to formally sign up to create a separate entry on the full list of all 89 current hosts which new editors can view.

Many thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:19, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Ichthus June 2019

ICHTHUS

June 2019

The Top 6 Articles

By Stalinsunnykvj

The sad news was the 2019 Sri Lanka Easter bombings. The Top 6 most popular articles about People in WikiProject Christianity were:

Louis XIV of France – a monarch of the House of Bourbon who reigned as King of France. He did say, "Every time I appoint someone to a vacant position, I make a hundred unhappy and one ungrateful."
Mary, Queen of Scots – arrested for Reigning While Catholic (RWC), Mary was found guilty of plotting to assassinate Elizabeth I of England in 1586, and was beheaded the following year.
Elizabeth I of England – The Virgin Queen, Elizabeth was the last of the five monarchs of the House of Tudor who ushered in the Elizabethan Era, reversed re-establishment of Roman Catholicism by her half-sister.
Henry VIII of England – King of England, He was an accomplished musician, author, and poet; his known piece of music is "Pastime with Good Company". He is often reputed to have written "Greensleeves" but probably did not. He had six marriages.
Martin Luther King Jr. –
" There are three urgent and indeed great problems that we face not only in the United States of America but all over the world today. That is the problem of racism, the problem of poverty and the problem of war."
Billy Ray Cyrus – Having released 12 studio albums and 44 singles since 1992, he is best known for his number one single "Achy Breaky Heart", which became the first single ever to achieve triple Platinum status in Australia.

Did You Know?

Nominated by Stalinsunnykvj

... that the first attempt to build the Holy Trinity Cathedral of the Alexander Nevsky Lavra resulted in the demolition of the nearly completed structure?

Featured article

Nominated by Stalinsunnykvj

Saint Fin Barre's Cathedral, Cork, Ireland

Saint Fin Barre's Cathedral is a Gothic Revival three-spire cathedral in the city of Cork, Ireland. It belongs to the Church of Ireland and was completed in 1879. The cathedral is located on the south side of the River Lee, on ground that has been a place of worship since the 7th century, and is dedicated to Finbarr of Cork, patron saint of the city. It was once in the Diocese of Cork; it is now one of the three cathedrals in the Church of Ireland Diocese of Cork, Cloyne and Ross, in the ecclesiastical province of Dublin. Christian use of the site dates back to a 7th-century AD monastery, which according to legend was founded by Finbarr of Cork. The entrances contain the figures of over a dozen biblical figures, capped by a tympanum showing a Resurrection scene. (more...)

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Your draft article, Draft:Hong Kil Dong (film)

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Your draft article, Draft:Mutual criticism session

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You too, Gerda! Please enjoy the summer as much as I do! – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 12:06, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

I do. Motto of the music festival that began yesterday: a summer full of music ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:11, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

The Faculty of Useless Knowledge

Hello,Finnusertop! Could you take a look at the article "The Faculty of Useless Knowledge"? Someone removed the most important section (Plot of the book) which I translated literally from the Russian Wikipedia. It took a lot of time to translate and polish the text in English and without that sections the article looks like "a stub". This book is one of the masterpieces of the Russian 20th century literature and it definitely deserves more information. In my opinion, cutting the entire section without even checking it is equal to vandalism and disregard for the Russian culture. Please, have a look at your free time and revise the removal, if possible. With regardRossK 17:51, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Sure thing, Ross kramerov! I've returned the content with proper attribution in the edit summary. You should always follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Translation#How to translate when translating from another language Wikipedia. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 11:59, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you very much,Finnusertop! Next time I will place the right templates if I translate something. With regardRossK 19:04, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

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List of Nobel laureates

Hello, just to let you know, I have begun removing the flagicons from the page. Regards, Willbb234 (talk) 15:50, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

@Willbb234: thanks for letting me know. I'll watch the page and will take part if there are any discussions. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 16:56, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Brilliant Idea Barnstar
	Thank you for diligent work and improvement idea about Wikipedia. Goodtiming8871 (talk) 01:07, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

North Korea–United States summit

Please let me know your thought from link below on Tea house when you are convenient. Link: ^[1] Goodtiming8871 (talk) 01:08, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

@Goodtiming8871: you can read my comment in the thread: Talk:2019 Koreas–United States DMZ Summit#Title. Frankly, I think someone ought to initiate a {{Requested move}}. When I made my comment, I had gone through each of the sources cited in the article. I think about three or so called it a summit. The rest did not. Some even contrasted this meeting with the past and future summits, ruling out that it was one of them. You can find additional sources that explicitly say it was not a summit. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:11, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind response. from my understanding, the fifth Kim–Xi meetings should be renamed as a summit if we call it as a summit. Goodtiming8871 (talk) 23:19, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

References

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Just for fun

Hi Finnusertop. This is just for your amusement. One of the hardest things to do in a second language, imho, is really understanding local comedy. Even harder, is to do a good job of telling jokes yourself. Have you heard of Ismo Leikola? He moved from Finland to LA in 2015, and is doing some incredibly funny stand-up comedy in LA clubs. You might start with this televised performance, if you never heard of him before. Enjoy! Mathglot (talk) 09:06, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Kim Kum-sil

I wonder about Kim Kum-sil. You edited this as edits of 23 June 2018. Googling 김금실 site:kcna.co.jp informs of the footballer, the 12th Supreme People's Assembly member (2009, 제232호선거구 김금실), and the 13th SPA member (2014, Nyongbyon, 제278호 녕변선거구 김금실). Electoral District 232 of 2009 election cannot be searched. But District 232 of 2014 election is Wai, Sinuiju and District 232 of 2019 election is Ryusang, Sinuiju. Nyongbyon is far from Sinuiju. So, I think that there exist at least three Kim Kum-sil, i.e. footballer Kim 김금실 축구, Sinuiju Kim 김금실 신의주, Nyongbyon Kim 김금실 녕변. Sawol (talk) 12:16, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Sawol! At least Kim Kum-sil the footballer and Kim Kum-sil the SPA member elected in 2009 are definitely the same, because the source I cite identifies her as "Women's Football (Soccer) Player; Merited Athlete". I never assume that a politician and a similarly named sportsperson are the same unless sources say so and it makes sense (e.g. she's old enough to be in that position).

But are the Nyongbyon Kim Kum-sil and the Sinuiju Kim Kum-sil the same?

You need to understand how the electoral system works in order to appreciate the the discrepancy between the electoral districts. The candidates don't have to live anywhere near their constituencies. Any district in the country can nominate anyone from the entire country (or, in practice, the party orders each district to nominate someone particular from someplace particular in the country). For most candidates, it's seemingly random where they get elected and re-elected from. For high-ranking officials, there's sometimes symbolism (i.e. Kim Jong-un being elected from Paektusan in 2014, even though he obviously doesn't live there). But it's not unusual at all for a person to be re-elected from an entirely different district (in fact, that seems to be the norm). Let's follow someone famous whose parliamentary track record is quite well known, Kim Yong-nam: 1986 (556: Chegang), 1998 (either 344 or 656), 2003 (6), 2009 (5), 2014 (55: Unha), 2019 (47, Rangrang). It changes every year. Granted, the small numbers are problably all from Pyongyang, but frankly I think Kim Yong-nam already lived there and not some province in 1998 and 1986 when he was the Foreign Minister. You can check any name and find that the electoral districts will be all over the map.

It's of course possible that the two parliamentarians Kim Kum-sil are different, but I don't think there is any reason to assume it. It's an active politician, these are consecutive elections, and the electoral district is inconsequential. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 12:10, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

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A suicide attack on July 11th claimed by Islamic State (IS) near a church in the Syrian city of Qamishli shows that Christians remain a major target of the terror group. The Top 6 most popular articles about People in WikiProject Christianity were:

Henry VIII of England – King of England, He was an accomplished musician, author, and poet; his known piece of music is "Pastime with Good Company". He is often reputed to have written "Greensleeves" but probably did not. He had six marriages.
Elena Cornaro Piscopia – was a Venetian philosopher of noble descent who in 1678 became one of the first women to receive an academic degree from a university, and the first to receive a Doctor of Philosophy degree. In 1669, she translated the Colloquy of Christ by Carthusian monk Lanspergius from Spanish into Italian.
Mary, Queen of Scots – arrested for Reigning While Catholic (RWC), Mary was found guilty of plotting to assassinate Elizabeth I of England in 1586, and was beheaded the following year.
Bob Dylan – American singer-songwriter, author, and visual artist.
" Take care of all your memories. For you cannot relive them."
Elizabeth I of England – The Virgin Queen, Elizabeth was the last of the five monarchs of the House of Tudor who ushered in the Elizabethan Era, reversed re-establishment of Roman Catholicism by her half-sister.
Billy Ray Cyrus – Having released 12 studio albums and 44 singles since 1992, he is best known for his number one single "Achy Breaky Heart", which became the first single ever to achieve triple Platinum status in Australia.

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... that The Vision of Dorotheus is one of the earliest examples of Christian hexametric poetry?

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Eric and Leslie Ludy were 21 and 16 respectively when they first met, English professors suggest that older singles are unlikely to gather hope from their story.

When God Writes Your Love Story: The Ultimate Approach to Guy/Girl Relationships is a 1999 book by Eric and Leslie Ludy, an American married couple. After becoming a bestseller on the Christian book market, the book was republished in 2004 and then revised and expanded in 2009. It tells the story of the authors' first meeting, courtship, and marriage. The authors advise single people not to be physically or emotionally intimate with others, but to wait for the spouse that God has planned for them.

The book is divided into five sections and sixteen chapters. Each chapter is written from the perspective of one of the two authors; nine are by Eric, while Leslie wrote seven, as well as the introduction. The Ludys argue that one's love life should be both guided by and subordinate to one's relationship with God. Leslie writes that God offers new beginnings to formerly unchaste or sexually abused individuals. (more...)

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		Wow. I didn't know that the Encyclopedia Britannica / Britannica Book of the Year had redlinks on women o.o Great idea to boost the amount of notable women! :) MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 02:28, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

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Kulkija

Hi there. I found you in the translators category as I was looking for a native speaker of Finnish. I just wrote a new article about this album by Korpiklaani. While Google Translator delivered some reasonable translations for the original Finnish titles in the track list, I thought I should ask for a second opinion. Would you mind checking the "note" entries in the track list template? De728631 (talk) 21:04, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Sure thing, De728631. I revised a few to be a bit more literal, and you can chose my version or yours whichever you prefer. The only words Google Translate has had real trouble with here are korppi ("raven") and korpi ("backwoods", which you will also find in the name of the band), and I've fixed those. I checked on a third party website that there were no transcription errors. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 09:09, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

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Kippis!

Kiitos! Your work is much appreciated. I was also struggling with the raven and the corpse thing, so thank you for clarifying this. So in the spirit of this album and the band in general, here's a present for you.

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Thank you

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Precious anniversary

Precious
Five years!

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removing the US Territories project because it was hastily put together

... and never contributed to most of the articles it unnecessarily tagged. The editor apparently was trying to rack up # of edits. Marked everything, should not have been allowed to, then went to change his socks and never came back.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 03:24, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

@The Eloquent Peasant: another option is to nominate the WikiProject page and/or template for deletion. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 03:26, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello Finnusertop, the links I posted to ucpress.edu are free to access. Please recheck the same. ContentNerd (talk) 15:03, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Article Split discussion

Hello Finnusertop,

We are currently discussing splitting the Machiavellianism article here, and I wanted to notify you.SuperWikiLover223 (talk) 18:13, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

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Some baklava for you!

Just to say hello! Maybequad404 (talk) 18:11, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

Just to say hello! Maybequad404 (talk) 18:11, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello There!

Where dO i start helping out with the project, such as fixing articles and adding sources? Thanks--Maybequad404 (talk) 18:12, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Maybequad404. That depends on what you want to do. But a good way to start is probably by expanding stub articles. You can find all of them here: Category:Top-level stub categories. Just click through the links to find something you're interested in. Remember to always include sources for the content you add. If you have any difficulties, you can ask me or the friendly people at the Teahouse. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 18:23, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm leaving--Maybequad404 (talk) 18:43, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

A cupcake for you!

Thank you for all you do for Wikipedia! Hello-Mary-H (talk) 18:59, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

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September
meadow saffron

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KI passed

Good job, an interesting read. If you have any other Korean topics you'd like me to review, ping me, I am interested in Korean history (since now I live in SK). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:09, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

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Today, I am proud of a great woman on the Main page, Márta Kurtág, finally, who has much in common with Schumann! - Here's my ideal candidate for arbcom. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:23, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Flag removals on Kurds in Finland

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@Finlandestonia: No, they are not. Only ten have official flags [1], and I've identified 9 of those with certainty here fi:Suomen maakuntatunnukset, with the tenth being probably South Ostrobothnia. 19:48, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

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Ichthus December 2019

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December 2019

The Top 3 Articles

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Dolly Parton - an American singer, songwriter, multi-instrumentalist, record producer, actress, author, businesswoman, and humanitarian, known primarily for her work in country music. Quotations related to Dolly Parton at Wikiquote: " I just depend on a lot of prayer and meditation. I believe that without God I am nobody, but that with God, I can do anything."
Harriet Tubman - an American abolitionist and political activist. Born into slavery, she escaped and made some missions to rescue enslaved people, using the network of antislavery activists and Underground Railroads. During the American Civil War, she served as an armed scout, spy for the Union Army.
Henry VIII of England – King of England, He was an accomplished musician, author, and poet; his known piece of music is "Pastime with Good Company". He is often reputed to have written "Greensleeves" but probably did not. He had six marriages.

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... that St. Charles College in Louisiana was the first Jesuit college established in the southern United States?
... that the ancient Jewish text of Perek Shirah asserts that spiders and rats praise God using verses from Psalm 150?

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Being a Ghost Story of Christmas, commonly known as A Christmas Carol, is a novella by Charles Dickens, first published in London by Chapman & Hall in 1843 and illustrated by John Leech. The book is divided into five chapters, which Dickens titled "staves". A Christmas Carol recounts the story of Ebenezer Scrooge, an elderly miser who is visited by the ghost of his former business partner Jacob Marley and the spirits of Christmas Past, Present and Yet to Come. After their visits, Scrooge is transformed into a kinder, gentler man. (more...)

Bible Verse

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Be kindly affectionate to one another with brotherly love, in honor giving preference to one another.

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Romans 12:10 New King James Version (NKJV)

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Cheers

Damon Runyon's short story "Dancing Dan's Christmas" is a fun read if you have the time. Right from the start it extols the virtues of the hot Tom and Jerry

This hot Tom and Jerry is an old-time drink that is once used by one and all in this country to celebrate Christmas with, and in fact it is once so popular that many people think Christmas is invented only to furnish an excuse for hot Tom and Jerry, although of course this is by no means true.

No matter what concoction is your favorite to imbibe during this festive season I would like to toast you with it and to thank you for all your work here at the 'pedia this past year. Best wishes for your 2020 as well F. MarnetteD|Talk 20:11, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

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Thank you ...

Vision in 2020

missing Brian

... for improving article quality in December! There's a peer review open for Clara Schumann and a FAC for Jauchzet, frohlocket!, DYK? We miss Brian who would have helped. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:07, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

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